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The fact he died in the first film just set the trend, every series has an optimus death if it's good enough
Animated killed him and immediately resurrected him in the pilot to just get it over with.
@@NutjobGTOanother reason animated is peak
He's died in every continuity except for cyberverse and rid
@@ElysiumEverlasting777 including in the pre-schooler aimed Rescue Bots iirc.
@lordofuzkulak8308 no that's a part of the aligned continuity so he's died there already during prime
"They literally call themselves "Decepticons"! That doesn't set off any red flags?" Best line in the entire film franchise.
Funny enough decepticons where actually the good guys they where freedom fights as a lot of Cybertronians where basically slaves prime was even one of them but Megatron employed violent means to get freedom so he left but then later uses violent means to protect humans
Idk about that. "Amazing. A booby trap that actually catches boobies." Is a pretty good line
From the “Last Stand of the Wreckers” comic book mini-series:
“Why won’t you believe me?”
“Because you’re a Decepticon. *Named Snare.*”
Transformers Jobber?
TRANSFORMERS JOBBER!?!?!?!
His name was…
ORION PAX!!!!
1:05 - he didn’t actually cheat; what happened was the only way he could win was by killing some NPCs, and he felt so guilty at having killed those NPCs he killed himself (not before someone backed up his mind on a 5.5” floppy disc though).
for more context, it was a war time simulation I think. Optimus basically had an existential crisis cause he couldn't find a way to win that didn't involve civilian deaths, and he figured thats how it would happen irl too. Still hilarious
I find it strange that the consciousness of a self-aware machine could fit on a floppy. Must've used some insane file compression to fit within two megabytes.
StarScream's death in that movie hurt me more than Optimus's death did.
Meh, he returns in the series, just like Optimus.
@@godoftwinkies574 true but 10 year old me didn't know that dur
And the way he died was incredibly brutal.
@@twistedyogert very deserved
Coronation starscream this is bad comedy
According to Robert Kirkman, seeing prime die as a kid in the theater influenced him im making stuff like The Walking Dead
Carl: "they made 5 of those things?!"
Me: "they made a 2nd one?!"
12:22 - iirc, every single Decepticon Optimus takes out in that scene is listed on the TFWiki on the Decepticon casualty list for the battle, and makes up something like more than half of said list (iirc, every single one is one of the dead/wounded that Starscream has thrown out of Astrotrain and end up getting recycled by Unicron along with Megatron).
Isn't one of the Decepticons Optimus shoots Soundwave? He's still in the movie later on, slightly more insulting though is they kill Shockwave offscreen during Unicron's attack on Cybertron.
@@nathanlamb-cf4s I may be misremembering but I don’t think he shoots Soundwave. 🤷🏻♂️
It'll never not be hilarious to me that they killed Optimus in like the first twenty minutes
As someone who saw that in the theatre as an 8 year old I can indeed tell you that shit was traumatic
They also plotted to kill him a second time within the planning stages of the movie in the series to bulk up hotrod as the one true leader.
and he comes back like 3 episodes later when the show came back
@@TekkaSagethat sounds more like setting hot rod up for failure lmao
@@moon4236 they weren't thinking that and thought it would make him a deeper character. The episode was competed before the backlash was felt. They then back pedaled and made him a sad insecure leader that wished to be a carefree "hotrod" again. By the time Optimus came back the audience basically tapped out and left. A bit too little too late and the whole series died in America.
I see transformers I arrive
Edit: he was Orion Pax before he was Optimus
Interestingly, they only decided to kill off Optimus because they were planning on killing off Duke in the GI Joe movie.
After the Optimus backlash though, they edited the GI Joe movie (as it came out afterwards) to have Duke just "go into a coma", after having a snake-spear go through his heart.
I think Optimus Prime is such a powerful character because Peter Cullen took his brother's advice before the audition to not be a Hollywood hero, but a real one.
In terms of deep lines that come from kids’ media, Master Splinter from the TMNT franchise had a few that were really good.
From the first movie: “Anger clouds the mind. Turned inward, it is an unconquerable enemy.”
From the second: “Do not confuse the specter of your origin with your current worth.”
From the third: “Put down your sword, Kenshin. They are not enemies. Only lost warriors, like yourself.”
From the 2012 cartoon: “Leadership is not about being appreciated; it is about responsibility. It doesn’t matter that the burden is heavy; it matters that you carry it.”
and
“You must find the spaces between your thoughts and learn to live there.”
I love transformers to death so much. Even with it being one of th3 most blatantly commercial enterprises I've ever seen beaten only by Pokémon. TF straddles the line of "this is the coolest shit I've ever seen" and "this is the dumbest shit I've ever seen" so expertly.
My mom was horrified after taking three children under 5 and watching all our toys die in the first 10 minutes.
In GiJoe's second movie they murder the main character at the start.
That sequel honestly went harder that it had any right to and it was awesome
That's why it's the better film
Oh man, here's the best part. Given the various reboots, if you consider the Aligned Continuity, the Optimus Prime we popularly know isn't even the original. He's a reincarnation. So the ORIGINAL Optimus was part of the 13 Primes, and after some shenanigans went down, he decided he wanted to be reborn as a normal Cybertronian. So he went back into the well of AllSparks. (In simple terms, he died and came back) as a simple bot called Orion Pax. When the war began to get really bad, Orion was bestowed the Matrix of Leadership, which basically gave him back all his memories of his past life. That... is just insane. That's even beyond Doctor Who-levels of bonkers.
I'd argue closer to just exactly on-par with Doctor Who levels of bonkers.
Best to consider very little of that to be canon.
That basically was in doctor who
The matrix was essentially a flobwatch
@@jmurray1110 True. I meant it went the next level since the Doctor didn't die and come back. He just stored his memory away. For Optimus, there's a death and reincarnation involved too.
Someone has never read lungbarrow
I was in fact mad hype to hear you mention frogs, my parents had the vhs so I was obsessed with that one way to young
Frogs is the best film ever and it’s finally getting the recognition it deserves
80s knew how to traumatize us kids!!! Lol
I was born in the late 90s and still felt the aftershocks XD
They marketed a rated R movie to kids. Why else did Robocop have kids toys and a kids cartoon. I had almost all the toys.
That's why we feel nothing lol! Our emotions have been taken away!! Lol! The 1st movie they showed me when I was in kindergarten was Where the Redfern Grows !!! WTF were teachers thinking a bunch of crying kindergarteners!!
Got the notification for this on the way home from buying a dvd of The Transformers The Movie lol
I think the funniest part about all the deaths in this film is how Starscream's toy wasn't being discontinued, but they killed him anyway and had to bring him back as a ghost in the next season to advertise his toy
The strange thing about killing off Optimus Prime to discontinue his toy is that one of the characters that replaces him is Ultra Magnus, who’s toy, iirc, was pretty much just Optimus’s toy painted white and with a different trailer which could clip onto the robot mode of the Optimus part to make a different robot mode, so they didn’t even need to kill Optimus off and bring him back in a new body, they could’ve just called it, like, ‘Battle Armour Optimus Prime’ or some shit and have him just take a power up in the film.
Speaking of power ups, one idea I’ve got if I was to ever write a transformers series is, keeping the toy shilling in mind meaning new, more powerful/badass characters need to be introduced each season, say right at the start Optimus and Megatron are only operating at like 10% power and then every season they power up a bit more because over time both sides are gaining the resources to enable that (and that’s why the new guys are always more powerful than the last - they were offline until they had the resources to reactivate them). And pretty much you don’t want Optimus and Megatron going all out when they’re at 100% because that’s a doomsday scenario and when they do pretty much whatever continent they’re scrapping it out on will be collateral damage.
Ngl the idea of Megatron revealing that he's operating at 10% power only for Optimus to reveal that he's also operating at 10% power and then they get the exact same resources so that they are always matched sounds hilarious. Imagine if a third party tries to stop both of the factions so they team up and then when they battle the new guy they actually power down just to flex on him (and also to make a new form/toy)
@@moon4236 actually the idea I’ve had in mind is that they’re an ex-two bot combiner team; idea I’ve got is pre-war, Megatron was one of Cybertron’s top generals, while Optimus, then still Orion Pax, was a the senator that was in charge of the military (may be a bit pretentious, but it’s a nod to 1984, where the government department that oversaw war was the Ministry of Peace, or MiniPax for short (Pax = Peace in Latin)), so were rebuilt to be able to combine. And their failing out and the war would be over them disagreeing with how to deal with the corrupt Cybertronian Senate, Megatron wanting to do it through revolution (similar to the IDW incarnation), while Orion wanted to do it through internal reformation.
Also had the idea of a third faction that’d crop up at some point being lead by two of the other top generals of pre war Cybertron who’d be Megatron’s brothers; Kilotron and Gigatron, and the climatic battle would be them being forced to combine for the first time in millions of years to throw down with the much stronger Gigatron (likely already having dealt with the weaker Kilotron on the way).
@@lordofuzkulak8308 that sounds insane but also kinda cool. You've definitely got the "sell toys" mentality down while still going for something different lol. The idea of Megatron and Optimus combining to defeat some other dude sounds pretty epic ngl.
@@moon4236 thanks.
They can combine in Armada iirc, so there is precedent. Although in that case it’s just something they can do rather than there being a reason for it.
I’m pretty sure that in the Diaclone toyline, the robot that would be used for Magnus was actually an evolved form of the robot that would become Optimus.
Bring Iron man back to life in Avengers 5 right at the beginning just to shoot him in the face
I was 8 at the time and this movie made me cry so much. One of my greatest childhood memories is when Prime goes through all of the decepticons to get to Megatron and the song 'The Touch' playing in the background truly awesome
My fav was the Borderlands 2 dlc where the bad guy who taunted you with how badass he was during the whole dlc...only to fall down the stairs at the boss fight, break his neck and die without you doing anything.
I was sitting next to a kid in the movie. He was holding an ironhide figure when megatron said "How HEROIC!". I was rushing out of the theatre and grabbing the manager to warn him that he was about to have a VERY bad day. Fun times. Parents were ready to burn the place down.
I cried when Optimus Prime died. I would have been maybe nine years old in a movie theater in 1986. I was there with a friend who lived down the street. He was just as upset as I was.
I was a kid when the movie came out, but my dad wouldn't let me see it because of all the stories in the news about children being traumatized by Prime's death. I didn't see the movie until I was in college. I remember being extremely confused when I saw episodes from season 2 and didn't recognize most of the characters
5:59 My favorite dumb quote that is surprisingly good is from Men In Black. "A person is smart. People are dumb panicky animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow."
Parents were pissed! Sending the Hasbro CEO letters asking why he's traumatizing their children and making them cry on a Sunday afternoon. LOL!
I think my favorite mid movie is Home on the ranch. I almost exclusively watched it with my sister and dad when we had been out sledding. It just feels so warm to me and the songs are so fun
In terms of weirdly raw kids media lines I love
"Pay a man enough money and he'll walk barefoot into Hell." From the first episode of the Disney Gargoyles cartoon
I seem to recall a Reddit story where this guy's wife goes out of town on like a business trip. They're like 5-year old son found a menstruation cup and became attached to it. He used it for everything. He even brought it to school for show and tell. It was kind of an odd story, the dad had no idea what it was.
I can't imagine how insane it was a kid to see all of your favourite characters just die off so damn early in the film, lol.
That conversation at the end reminded me of how much my sister used to like the movie 'Chicken Little' when she was younger. She watched that movie I don't know how many times on repeat. 😳
6:43 - Never forget: "Do you think God stays in heaven because he, too, lives in fear of what he's created here on earth?" - Spy Kids 2.
And Hot Rod became Hot Rodius Prime at the end of the movie.
CEO of hasbro: “we are at the peak of our business here, kids love transformers. Where can we go with this IP to boost it?
Some guy: let’s kill Optimus and nearly half the auto bots in the opening 25 minutes of a feature length movie. So that we can replace them with our new line of toys.
CEO: ...yes. The kids will love this.
By being British, I know for a fact the idea began on his 3rd bottle of beer. Only cause only the forth bottle could perform that stunt at the start. Absolute legend
Edit: I wrote that on my fourth bottle too
You know what I find funny? In some continuities Optimus while he was a decepticon(rebel fighters for freedom) he abandoned Megatron's plan to free all Cybertronians just because he got a bit violent. But later as the autobots they just kill all decepticons to keep humans free
You know what’s insane is at the beginning of this video when they showed Optimus die and turn grey I was confused why you cut it before he turned to dust. Then you said he doesn’t just blew my mind.
Ok so I got big hype when you mentioned frogs. Not because I love it or have even seen it but because I almost watched it once when a friend and I were going through his roommates collection of bad movies
the lawyer the kid was obsessed with a personal injury lawyer from my home town named Morris bart. I grew up with those commercials and a friend of mine works as a paralegal in his office.
This is how Duke survived getting a snake spear through the damn heart...
Optimus Prime give his spark so Duke could live.
I never got why Optimus couldn’t get the same treatment that Megatron got. He got to remain the same character but with a new name and design so they could sell a new toy, which would have been a perfect way to make room for a new toy but not kill Optimus in front of children. They could have easily just painted Ultra Magnus red and called him Optimal Prime or something.
I love frogs so much!!! I watched it as a kid and it’s locked in my mind. You’re the first person I’ve heard mention it outside of my immediate family!!!
Prime didn't cheat,he could only win the game by killing npcs and he was overwhelmed with guilt that he killed himself.
Autobots: Almost all die. Optimus dies.
Decepticons: Almost all survive and get rebuilt and live on. Megatron lives.
The idea that changing something creates a truer idea of reality then not is the most exciting bit I've heard all day!
"8 Legged Freaks" is one of those middle of the road movies for sure
This movie had one of the best soundtracks going, amazing considering the majority of it was left overs from other projects.
Vince DiCola absolutely nailed it so hard even the 8-bit renditions used for the C64 game Turrican were banging
Step mom had frog figurines in her bathroom and a cartoonist frog picture on the wall.
Remember that there is nothing you love that can't or won't be killed for enough money
Holy shit, that lawyer is Morris Bart, a local New Orleans guy that I saw commercials for all the time!
11:40 This here is a nice window into an executive’s mind.
Was less a studio and more toy execs that were responsible
IMO it's the only reason Transformers lasted beyond the 80s, unlike most of their competitor toy brands.
This shocked and collectively scarred a generation, creating a Transformers space within their brains that kept it alive.
People argue that it was a dumb move, but IMO it was the best move they ever made.
Kickboxer: Van Damme wins against bad dude.
Kickboxer 2: Van Damme is shot offscreen by the bad dude in the parking lot 5 minutes after end of Kickboxer 1.
There’s a Power Rangers/Scorpion King connection, in Scorpion King 2 he’s played by Michael Copon, the Blue Ranger from Time Force (2001) and he’s said it’s one of his favorite characters he’s played.
The ranger or the king?
@@thatsoundslikeheresytomeyo4960 The question asked at the Con was “What’s one non-Ranger role you’re really proud you got to play” and he said Mathayas The Scorpion King. Though considering that Power Rangers is still making him money and he’s friends with his cast I’m sure he loves that role too
Beast wars episode where Dinobot dies. The last words he gives was too good of a line.
My Mom was a huge Creature Feature fan. When I was 8, we all went to the Drive-In to watch a Double Feature. Frogs and Sssssss. Bad movies, good memories.
The fact that wrestlers and MMA fighters are in all the Scorpion King films. The Rock, Randy Coture, Batista, Eve Torres and the human wall (and I mean his personality) Nathan Jones. And thats films 1-5 each of them appear once
The original movie will always be the best. I loved Hot Rod as a kid, he was the man.
That Time Karl Smallwood Opened A Beer With A Random Object
I lit up when you mentioned Frogs. I have a copy on dvd. 😂
ive only seen it once but masterminds, in which the villain is patrick stewart and at one point he rips his shirt open to reveal a man united shirt
I know I’m super late to the video but I think this is a good edition.
I believe it was about halfway through the third season of the G1 cartoon that they made a whole episode with a zombified Optimus who gains back his consciousness enough to sacrifice himself again and save everyone. This didn’t work out too well and made them do “The Return of Optimus Prime” episodes to end the season, slightly retconning the earlier episode. To advertise the season finale, re-runs of the zombie Prime episode ended with the narrator (roughly)going, “Is this the end of Optimus Prime? Find out in next weeks episode, The Return of Optimus Prime”.
I did not exist to see the cartoon and movie when it came out but I used to watch the episodes and movie with my dad, so we got to that zombie Prime episode and the teaser for the season finale, and now that moment is ingrained in my memory as the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. His death in the movie was sad to me but it’s impact was definitely weakened due to also watching the newer shows at the time with it, plus I think my dad just told me he comes back later lol.
The day Karl can't open a beer with an object, what is the punishment?
My favorite book as a kid is Parrotfish. Next to no one likes it but I love it to this day.
Have Brad, Nisha and Lucas gone back to being just the offsceeen voices again? I feel like we haven't seen them onscreen in quite a while now
“If the world chooses to become my enemy, then I will fight like I always have!” - shadow the hedgehog, sonic 06
Sean Bean & Optimus Prime competing for most deaths
Now i would love a wiki weekend on optimus prime, see how far they get on that before their heads melt XD
This was where I learned about death as a child........ I was one of those kids traumatized. 2nd trauma was neverending story......
Beer deer pass meea beer
I grew up with my twin brother attached to a bob the builder doll. We got it as a Christmas gift. Years later learned my dad only could find one and though his twin four year old boys would share. My grandmother explained how fratricide would occur. (She would be right) so they drove to eleven stores to find a second one. My grandmother swed our first letter on the foot to ensure we did get them confused. So yeah don't mess with kids favorite character.
I'm surprised that the fact that there is indeed a mausoleum in the special features of DVD versions of the 80s transformers movie that's how many characters died majority of which happened within the first 20 minutes
FROGS 🐸! The Miss Piggy horror movie lol 🤣
The middle of the road movie that was some kid's favorite movie was Titan A.E.. It was me, I was some kid. 😂
Dont forget that one time when he died he came back as an evil robot ghost
Love you’re channel!
My dad loves this movie, so I've seen it a lot, and he often tells me about his extremely vivid memory of crying in the movie theater after Optimus died.
"isn't that just waking up?" 😆😆
Morris Bart, lawyer from Baton Rouge and New Orleans.
yeah. I grew up with his commercials on tv in the '90s.
I saw Scorpion King on the day I graduated Army Basic Training. It was the perfect movie for that moment of my life.
In the GI Joe movie they made a last minute decision to revive Duke after the reaction the Transformers movie lol
The first 20 minutes of the film was absolutely fucking savage.
I actually saw the movie when it was in theaters; it was tramatizing but not so much as locking myself in my room for 2 weeks. The backlash for them killing off Prime was so bad, it made them change the ending to the GI Joe movie coming out soon afterward as they were killing off Duke and didn't want to risk it happening again.
0:50 - Actually... He and Megatron agreed to fight it out in a video game instead of real life, with Megatron stipulating that the loser be killed in real life. Optimus won the fight in the game, but in doing so he killed a number of NPC characters. Since he would never tolerate this in real life, he insisted that he had not truly won, and as a consequence accepted his own destruction.
A copy of his consciousness was saved in the game, allowing him to be resurrected later.
frogs is absolutely someone’s favourite movie
His name as that jobber was Orion Pax
I really need to watch Peacemaker
If doing kid movie with deep quotes
"do you think god stays in heaven because he's afraid of what he created down here" Steve buscumi spy kids 2
I got legit terriered to hear theirs a film called frogs. As someone who is a grown ass adult who is terrified of them!
The fact I know what movie he’s own about at 18:14 because of dead meat😂
18:30
-gasp- I'M the person who really loves the movie Frogs!!!✨
Well, now that you've informed me that there are FIVE Scorpion King movies, I've now got to watch them all.
Yes, that's the most important thing I've taken away from this entire video.
That Random Shotgun Guy question was a pretty funny one and it gave me a good idea for the answer:
Take any movie series with lot's of sequels and ad this on every one of them, but keep the tone and the plot intact.
Examples:
Police Academy - Eight parts, all has different Mahoney, because of this Shotgun Guy.
Friday the 13th - Jason is still the big bad, but first kill still goes to Shotgun Guy.
Classic Dracula - Is Shotgun Guy hired by Dracula?
Disney Sequels - In-Universe explanation for lower quality.
Can you come up more?
Add to the list.
🤔
Karl I watched Robocop because u talked abt it a lot and said it was good. Thank you, it’s awesome.
The Golden Child, staring Eddie Murphy was my absolute jam for about a decade. My parents would hide the VHS from me. I watch that movie for the first time at age 2, and it shaped my grade school years so strongly. So much that my first crush was the one filipino girl in my kindergarten class. I still love that movie, but it is not a “kids” movie! I love you Mom and Dad, but why did I have access to it at all..?
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