As a programmer, Samuel L Jackson's character probably said the code was a mess because the code was a mess, not because it was too complex for him to understand it. Building something with code is like building physical things. You can make something functional even thought it's an unmaintainable nightmare under the hood. Given that Nedry was working alone for such a large project, the code probably WAS bad. He'd have to take shortcuts instead of doing it properly.
In the novel the code wasn't bad (Arnold even credited it by saying "It's one helluva system"). But they never told Nedry (or his staff, because he wasn't alone, he was a contractor with his own firm that was hired by InGen to build the computer system) what the system was actually supposed to do. InGen just gave Nedry vauge hints and when it all went pear-shaped (obviously) they expected Nedry to fix everything for FREE. Nedry: "This wasn't in the contract." Hammond: "I am altering the deal, pray that I don't alter it any further." Nedry: "Screw you! Pay me >:( " Hammond: **Calls every client Nedry has and talks shit about him**
Yes looking at Nedry's work space it more likely was held together by pins and gum instead of technical ingenuity I actually think Sam Jackson's character picked up smoking because of the horrible setup on John's and Nedry's problems that he has to try to fix
@@Vollification I would agree if it was more based off the book but it has enough different make for it to be he was the cheapest guy who was willing to code usually cheapest means in movies is shitty and more than likely would break
Dont forget that the lawyer was an amazing dude in the book. He doesnt want to be there. If I remember right, he's missing his kid's birthday to be there because Hammond insists on cutting corners for the sake of time. He also saves the grandkids and that's what leads to his death.
Genaro didn't die saving the grandkids. The only death that even remotely involved Lex and Tim was Ed Regis, the guy that left the kids in the car, and their involvement stopped at seeing it from a distance The only other character to die in an incident involving kids was Eddy Carr, who died falling from the high hide while he and Lavine tried to stop the raptors from climbing up. I guess if your name is a variation on Eddy in a JP/JW film, your best bet is to steer clear of any and all kids
"We need to make new dinosaurs people are getting bored of the dinosaurs" The point here is that the profit growth was slowing, Somehow these investors think and demand growth to be infinite rather that reaching a state of sustainability
That's just investors in Capitalist systems. Twenty billion dollar profits are a failure if you made twenty billion last year. Either people change their perspective, or we're going to see a completely manufactured economic catastrophe.
antondevonlh13 exactly, that's why it's so common now for corporations to lay off workers even when they have a great quarter to cut costs and further pad their profits. The greed is endless, and eventually it comes back to haunt these companies because you can only cut costs so much before things start to go wrong, and the simple fact that infinite growth just isn't possible.
I disagree with the view of the zoo. Zoo has got new animals or made the zoo big to get people to come back. For example, a zoo with no tiger is lame but add a new area for a tiger that goes into g to get people to come back.
@@antondevonlh It's a culture and education system that is only focused on the short term. Free markets function pretty well if you have longevity in mind.
Why settle for good enough when you can have better? Less you forget the whole park was made for profit. People put their money on a venture to make money, not to be nice or do something neat. And it did work, everytime they dropped a new dinosaur millions came, the budget expanded, science was pushed further, and thousand were given jobs. Where they messed up was skimping on safety procedures and not having good fail safes.
That's why they were so doubtful that Australian animals like the platypus was a real animal. It was like some taxidermist stitched a beaver, a duck, and mole together. The museums had been burned before about a fantastical beast from an exotic location that turned out was a hoax.
It is worth pointing out that in the novel you already had dinosaurs escaping the island before the story even begin. It heavily implies that at the very least compies had gotten to the main land and started attacking people, highlighting that the whole project was a disaster long before Nedry's little scheme.
Implies? The Compies outright eat a baby and maul a child on a beach before a specimen is found and confirmed. The Costa Rican gov't just covers it up.
Of course Nedry could have been responsible for that in a roundabout way. In the book they monitor the dinosaurs by having a series of cameras and motion trackers count how many of each species there are, but will stop counting when they hit that number (if there are only supposed to be 2 triceratops, it will count to 2 and stop). If Nedry designed the counters to stop instead of leaving the max number open-ended, they would have known the dinos were breading much faster.
@@notenoughmemes1847 there is a scene in the prologue of the book that has a mainland doctor treating a plantation worker or someone with a similar job who has claw wounds as if he had been attacked by a big predator. A strange infection seems to be quickly spreading across the wounds and building bubbling foam around the ripped flesh. The Spanish speaking patient deliriously repeats the words „raptor…lo sa raptor“. The doctor has to look up the phrase in a dictionary and comes across the translation „raptor = bird of prey“.
Said this 100 times before and I'll say it 100 times again. In the novel Nedry was totally screwed over by InGen. And on top of that, even if Nedry hadn't done what he did, Jurassic Park (in the novel) was still well on it's way to a complete collapse. Nedry wasn't even the straw that broke the camels back, the camel was already broken in half and on fire. Jurassic Park as a concept would have never worked.
This exactly. Grant and company tear the park apart before they even go on the tour, and present data that the dinosaurs are both breeding and escaping the island right under ingens nose. What's even more interesting, is how the 'wild' dinosaurs are practically tame compared to the genetic monsters ingen has kept in their zoo. The caged raptors behaviour vs the wild ones is a huge example of this. Biosyn shows up in some other Crichton books, too. It's a fun little romp watching Dodgson get up to more hijinks.
It's sad that you need to explain this ever. You know, since it's literally the entire goddamned point of the book, and spelled explicitly in the text. More than once.
Of course, the movie has a different focus. With the different shift in the movie it makes more sense to also flip the characters. If anything, it small little bit still left it in from the books that are out of place. I think they're good for different reasons. Jurassic Park, the movie is a family centric movie with some horror elements which make it have more of a mass appeal. But of course, the book's critique of that raw capitalist mindset is equally valuable if not more so, considering the issues we have in our world with charlatans and exploitative leaders who we for some reason worship. In a way, one could see the movie as the corporate propaganda that came out of InGen after the events of the book, trying to "set the record straight" and make Hammond in to this entrepreneur we tend to worship. Of course, this is not how it was intended to be read. But it is a fun little idea.
Which is why John Hammond's (spoilers for a 30+ year book) death at the end of Jurassic Park was so poetic. Being killed by procompsognathus, supposedly tiny chicken-sized dinosaurs that have paralytic venom in their bite. He had a broken ankle, but didn't think they could kill him. But his schill dinos he wanted to fleece the world with ended up taking his life because he didn't take them seriously.
Also missing the point that he was scared into falling and twisting his ankle, and thus dying, when his grandkids that he brought along for clear publicity reasons almost getting them killed are goofing off and play a t-rex roar over the speakers. So, he does it to himself a lot of different ways there.
Lost World had the right opinion of John Hammond, at least at the end, when a T-Rex busts out of the ship and starts rampaging through SD, and Malcolm turns to the corporate guy who made it all happen and says "NOW you're John Hammond."
That's one thing I hate about the movie. They completely gloss over the fact that Nedry actually did fulfill his contract with Hammond/Ingen and was blackmailed into doing hundreds of thousands of dollars of work a a loss. The movie also glosses over the fact that Nedry isn't working on this by himself. He has a team of techs working with him from the mainland. He mentions having to tell his crew they will be working overtime through the whole working. Nerdy was losing money on that job due to Hammond being such a sleezy person.
I really doubt they glossed over anything like that as opposed to it just not having happened in the first place in the movie version. Its pretty safe to assume that any change is a deliberate change given all the things they changed.
I think the trope is called "Leaning on the Fourth Wall", especially since it's not sufficiently explained how much the public actually knows about the original Jurassic Park. It's ambiguous enough that it could be a fourth wall break, but may not be.
Yeah, it's sort of breaking the fourth wall, or meta knowledge to a degree. But in fairness, he might have gotten the t-shirt off of E-bay after the first park was abandoned. It's unrealistic to expect the original park and the events that took place there to not eventually hit certain internet circles, especially the conspiracy minded ones. Even back when the original movie was released there were chat rooms and forums for all kinds of weird stuff if you had AOL and no filters enabled. As early as 1993 there was an online community for BDSM enthusiasts putting together munches and parties both in the US and in the UK. So, you can rest assured there were similar communities built online for alien conspiracies and something like a top secret park on a private island with real dinosaurs would definitely be entertained there as well. To expect that every member of InGen would honor the non-disclosure agreement would be the real fantasy. Of course, someone would spill the beans and maybe even have grabbed merch at some point to prove it all happened. I don't think it's as big a plot hole as it's being made out to be, honestly.
The parallels with Hammond and recent tech billionaires or even tech personalities of the time was so spot on. Crichton's novels and his views of profiting of of advancement was a consistent theme of many of his novels.
It's sadly quite lost on translation to the film, wich sucks because it is an important and even relevant theme even for today, but i can't be mad at Attemborough's Hammond. The guy just has mad charisma.
@Vicente Matías I think its still there, but later rewrites of Crichton's 1st draft of the screenplay toned it down and Attenborough just was to damn likable.
@@vicentematias763 which is why they changed so much, they were trying to be as close to IRL dinosaurs knowledge etc of the time. There was a bit of manipulation of perception going on with the raptors but that was trying to promote new understanding of the time and even the lack of feathers on the dinos was because it was a radical theory back then.
He also went into the raptor nest well with hesitation, he even went into the generator shed to try turn the main power back on in turn being attacked by a raptor and survived. Dude actually had alot of guts to be fair.
The one guy mentioned about the shirt is easily explained in the first part of JP2 where Malcolm blew the whistle and was subsequently slandered and defamed by Hammond's nephew. He was exactly the type of person to volunteer for the job out of a macabre obsession.
I had to double check that Hammond's actor's brother was freaking David Attenbourough! And on the double check I learned that apparently Richard (the actor) was a member of the freaking House of Lords! What!??
Yeah, the Attenborough's are toffs. You didn't think they were just regular folks? BBC aren't paying ten thousand fortunes to fly just any asshole around the world to talk about animals.
@@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t except he was a member of the house of Lords for 21 years, from July 30th 1993 to August 23rd 2014 where his title was 'The Lord Attenborough CBE'. I'll provide a link in a new comment, in case TH-cam is being funny with external links
@@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t and you really didn't need to tell me that he was dead, I've known since it happened. Nothing I said was inaccurate because you can very much still refer to him as Sir Lord Richard Attenborough, whether he is dead or not
In the book, Nedry was contracted to create the individual computer systems for the park without ever knowing they would be networked. Hammond compartmentalized the whole process to keep the park secret. The systems Nedry created turned out to be incompatible with each other and they had to bring him in to try to fix it. Instead of paying Nedry for the additional work, Hammond threatened to ruin his reputation if he did not do the work for free. That is why Nedry was so comfortable selling out his boss. Hammond got eaten alive at the end of the book.
They actually did not betray Chris Pratt's character. If you look more closely at their actions, when the Raptors are killing, there was one where the raptor just finished killing someone, see's Grady, and doesn't attack him. She actually looked like he was waiting on his approval. Those raptors had to have noticed how tense Grady was around certain people, especially older and fatter Private Pyle. They never actually tried to attack Grady. Seeing as they looked to HIM to see if HE wanted the I-Rex to joining "THEIR" pack, and by "their" I mean the raptors AND Grady. They had actually been looking to him for directions, and when he made it clear that he did not want the I-Rex to be part of the pack, the remaining three raptors attacked I-Rex. There was also the scene where they are in the lab and Fat Gomer Pyle was talking all his bullshit and pissinf Grady off. They noticed the tension between them which is why the raptor put herself BETWEEN Grady and Pyle. She knew they were there standing behind her. Her posture was that of a pack member defending other members of their pack. Had they turned on Grady, they'd have actually tried to kill him, but they didn't. They had several chances to, but they didn't as he was still the Alpha and they had never turned on him.
The one argument I could see being AGAINST your theory is Barry getting attacked during the scene following the raptors encounter with the I-Rex. And that, I honestly believe, has probably more to do with less direct exposure with the raptors. They didn't see Barry as part of their pack, so he was fair game. Maybe their attempt at attacking Owen earlier in the movie too, but that incident I think can be interpreted as the pack violently protesting a percieved hogging of a meal they rightly earned together. It wasn't so much that they wanted to usurp Owen so much as they wanted their fair share. If Jurassic Park raptors are anything like wolves, an "alpha" isn't so much the most dominant member of a pack as it is that the "alpha" is the senior most member. And because we know for a fact that Owen was there right from the moment they hatched, which allowed them to imprint on him... that means he occupies the same relationship to them as a parent would.
For the record, they never confirmed that the Dinosaurs weren't "Real" Dinosaurs. In the clip that Wu says that none of the animals are natural, he specifically says that if the Dinosaurs DNA were pure, they'd look very different. An example is the Pyroraptor in the latest film.
If we're going to go based on wording you have to admit Natural and Real would be synonymous in this context. They are all artificial animals and thusly fake Dinosaurs.
Yes, however at the same time by now we know that dinosaurs had feathers or that real velociraptors would have been smaller. So it's reasonable to assume that he and the scientists "designed" the dinosaurs to look like what people expected at the time. So, saying they weren't real dinosaurs is pretty much the only way the movies work with current knowledge and understanding of dinosaurs.
@@Neonsilver13 What Fact Fiend meant by that was that they weren't Dinosaurs at all, there is Zero prehistoric DNA in them. That they're just modern animals modified to _look_ like Dinosaurs.
@@Neonsilver13 When Jurassic Park was filmed, it was already common knowledge in the scientific community that many dinos had feathers. Spielberg either didn't do any research, or did exactly as you describe: designed them as the audience expected, because audience knowledge was 20 years behind science's (as it always is).
Something that's always bugged me about the Indominous Rex is that it could speak with raptors. the movie went out of its way to say that it was poorly socialized after killing its sister, and genes don't confer communication skills.
I mean, if you met someone that was three times your size, who told you that they'd kill you if you didn't help them in broken English, would you not listen to them?
@@thatwaffleguy4958 It would probably be more akin to a wild man that speaks no human language pointing and grunting than a guy speaking in broken English
@@gentlemandemon But the size comparison still stands. It's less communication and more "I don't know what it wants because I don't understand it, but it could kill me and I want to live".
@@thatwaffleguy4958 Sure, that makes a certain logical sense, but the in-text explanation was that it could speak raptor because of its genetics, which is the rub for me
It's kinda lost in translation, mostly because of the framing of the film and Attemborough's killer charisma. In the novel, there is no doubt he is the villain.
People just view surface level most of the time. They don't worry about deeper motivation. Even when I saw the film as a kid I didn't see him as anything other than a kooky old guy originally.
I would point out that there is a big difference between John Hammond in the movie and John Hammond in the book, and that's the movie version realized he was a villain.
Early on in Lost World (Jurassic Park 2), we get a conversation with Ian Malcolm (Jeff Goldblum), where they mention he was a whistle-blower on the events of the first film, with mixed responses as to his credibility. And by the end of that movie they were literally finishing a mini Jurassic Park in California, and Hammond is on the News about how they need to leave the dinosaurs alone and let them live in peace on the islands. So InGen was trying to keep it under wraps at first, but by the time we have a T-Rex rampaging through a major city, pretty much all the dirt came out on the Parks/Islands/Dinos.
Yeah I didn’t get his point about the JW worker knowing about JP. Ian and Grant both wrote books also if I remember correctly. Sometimes their complaints seem very nitpicky and just for the sake of arguing and being contrarians.
Yeah the problem is that LW has the weird obsession with having characters constantly talking over each other which is why that point was likely missed. I love the movie, but it's one of the few things that I can't stand about it.
@@ThePhenomenalEX Off topic but, what do you think of JW3? I know it gets a lot of hate and definitely isn’t as good as the first but I actually really like it.
@@ThePhenomenalEX Well, there is the fact that Grant actually says to a large group of people in an auditorium that he didn't want to answer questions on either Isla Nublar or Isla Sorna, and when he is asked about the experience, he does say that the Dinosaurs were genetically engineered theme park monsters. So people definitely know.
@@ThePhenomenalEX They do that a lot. It is pretty realistic, but it makes for cinema that is difficult for the audience to follow. Not so bad when two characters are just being quirky, not so much when they're trying to get out exposition.
You could say that they couldnt figure out Dennis's code not because it was so advanced, but because it was a deliberate mess. Ive got friends who are programmers and some of them dont clean up their code to make it easy to understand for others, because only they are the ones who have to deal with the code. In some cases its so the job theyre working on doesnt decide to just hire and fire them on a whim. So in a way Dennis might have been trying to make himself somewhat indispensable to Jurassic Park.
I'm a programmer and his code was probably messy because it had to be. The thing about good clean code is that it's slower than just hacking together a mess that works. Dude was on a tight budget and deadline. He definitely took a lot of shortcuts.
I think some companies now will actually fire you if you 'do' make your code a mess that only you can understand. They'll just scrap it and start again, to make sure that you can't blackmail them into keeping you.
As a programmer, even if you're alone on a project you don't want messy code, those "other programmers" that come in to maintain the code you wrote is usually, yourself, and if that's after a break from looking at the code you're gonna be as clueless as anyone else even if you wrote that code
@@CraftMine1000 haven’t read the book, but at least in the movie they make him out to be messy in general, but it’s the sort of einstein messy where he knows exactly where everything is; he has three different screens, one with a chess game open, and he’s able to do everything without getting confused. Also, considering they make the character out to be a troll in general, there’s a better than good chance that he did it just to troll everybody else and make sure they come crawling to him later to clean everything up.
He did constantly and consistently tell them that if they thought they could find someone who could do what he did for the same pay they were welcome to try, writing a code only he could work with probably went a long way to that confidence, especially when they reached a point where starting from scratch might be dangerous
With the first book/movie the kids are brought in for a reason. Tim is a dinosaur enthusiast making him a representative of the target audience. Lex is a kid that is indifferent/doesnt care about dinosaurs. If he can impress them and Dr. Grant then he know it was worth everything.
That and accroding to him he was doing the kids parents a favor since they were both going through a divorce and this done to distract them but unintentionally sealed their fate
Introducing the new zoo experience. ManBearPig! Half man, half bear and half pig. It's animalistic sound translates to "please kill me" and merchandise is available for preorder in any zoo near you. We're not joking, we're super cereal.
The shirt in the Jurassic World thing makes sense when you consider that in the context of the series word had gotten out about the park. Nearly all the survivors had written books on their experiences. The company had also released a counter narritive. The merchandise could've come from companies that were planned to manunfacture these things but they were left with stock after the park went down. The guy with the shirt is kind of like the people who romanticise older versions of theme parks like Disneyland not realizing just how unsafe and cobbled together they were. I also think the best description of Hammond is a cross between Disney and Edison.
Another bit I forgot to mention earlier. There is an easy way to explain the Andominos Rex. The need for a new attraction was just a cover story. They were actually trying to make a big dino that could be controlled and sold as a weapon. Basically the entire new park was just a fancy showroom for their arms dealing. The sequels really validate the notion that the current incarnation of the company always had that as the real goal.
What was wrong with Disneyland? Last I checked, it didn’t have a high accident or complaint record, and most issues I’ve heard about are VERY recent, within the last few years.
On the velociraptors, they did exist as the chicken sized dinosaurs, but Spielberg didnt think they were threatening enough. But then, after they made the movie and I belive they were in post-production, paleontologists found fossils of a utahraptor, which is about the same size as the movie-raptors. I can't remember if it was Spielberg himself or someone else working on the movie that said "we made it, then they discovered it". Also, jurassic park is one of the few cases where I like the movie and the book almost equally, because they are so different they are almost their own stories, but are still the same story in a way. Also also, they switch around almost all the deaths from the book in the movie, which I found so incredibly facinating
Well Crichton based them on Deinonychus antirrhopus. Considering he was using Greg S.Paul's book of the late 80's , it gives you an idea as to how they looked like in the novel. Plus Greg S.Paul wanted to lump both dromaeosaurids under the velociraptor name (including Velociraptor mongoloensis, the turkey-sized one...) but that did not take. As for the utahraptors, Jim Kirkland discovered those fossils around 93 ... and Utahraptor is bigger than the movie ones (think of it as an in-between the movie raptor & the indoraptor size-wise...)
"If you're going to make a cooler dinosaur, you make a fucking flying 'raptor or something like that!" That was actually the exact premise behind Kenner's _Chaos_ _Effect_ line of _Jurassic_ _Park_ toys.
@@redslate A flying raptor is a bird. Raptor literally means "bird of prey". If you take the modern depictions of raptors, they are very bird like with the feathers.
I think you nailed on the head what the ACTUAL issue with the Jurassic world films is, the people in charge think Dinosaurs are lame and thus had this image of needing to make them more extreme to make viewers care about them. Meanwhile we got a documentary designed to be as up to date accurate about them, treats them as animals and its one of the bigger hits on streaming.
_"Meanwhile we got a documentary designed to be as up to date accurate about them, treats them as animals and its one of the bigger hits on streaming."_ Which is great for comparison if you're exclusively comparing it to Jurassic World in its first year or so of operation. Jurassic World had been around for a decade by the time the movie happened. The park was still getting 20,000 visitors a day but the novelty of dinosaurs existing is going to decrease over time unless you're supplying the public with enough amnesiacs that they keep getting blown away that, yep, existing animals still exist.
@@ElliotKeaton 20k visitors a day over 10 years is only 73m visitors total. Just for the sake of being unrealistic, let's say every one of those visits is unique: every visitor only spends 1 day at the park and never comes back. After a decade, less than 1% of the world's population would have visited the park for even a single day; at that rate, the park could remain open for over 100 years and never get a repeat visitor. But if they're getting "bored" of the dinosaurs, then they obviously have a lot of repeat visitors, and realistically, almost no one is making a trip like that and only spending one day at the park. So they've what, 20m, 10m unique visitors at best? For comparison, on an average day Disney World in Orlando gets about 57k visitors to its Magic Kingdom alone. Combining all four parks in Orlando, an average day is around 160k visitors, or nearly 60m in a single year. If Disney isn't struggling with boredom with that many visitors per year, how is Jurassic World struggling with the same number over nearly a decade (8 years would be ~60m)?
I still think it's a huge shame that they didn't include the river raft scene in the first book along with the dinosaurs being off the island basically from the get go
As an aside the reason i think the reason the guy knew about thrme first park in the reboot was Ian Malcom had spilled everything about the park before the second movie they even talk about it early on alot of people didn't believe him till a T-Rex rocked up in San Diego providing undeniable proof of Ian Malcolm's story
Alan Grant wrote a second book as well after his visit to the park. The existence of the park was well known after the events of the first two films. The plot of the third film starts with tourists visiting the island to try and illegally see dinosaurs.
I feel like the raft sequence was a loss, but I feel like the “escaping dinos” part works less well in a movie. Because then you either have to wrap that story beat up awkwardly or leave it hanging.
At around 16:30, in regards to the guy who shouldn’t know about the first park, do you think it might be because Ian Malcolm and Alan Grant leaked the information? The second movie opens with Ian getting a call from Hammond, and the InGen guy commented on him leaking information/breaking NDAs, and the third has Alan Grant giving a guest lecture about dinosaurs and he denies questions that involve the park.
Only Malcon had leaked the story, Grant and Satler were silent about it. The lecture part was only because he was a witness of the parks disaster, and the public had a macabre curiosity of that, just as much as they were curious about San Diego's rampage.
A part of me thought of it in a sort of "abandoned by Disney thing" where rundown theme park enthusiasts would go onto isla nublar and steal merch from the old run down stores that are within the park's visitor center as well as take pictures for others who have this kind of trespassing hobby (forgot what it's called) wich kind of would then make the fact that this guy has stolen merch from a failed theme park that resulted in peoples deaths would be like if someone had merch from blobby land or some other theme park that shutdown due to some kind of disaster
The guy wearing the Jurassic Park shirt could have heard about the park issues from Ian's (Jeff Goldblum's character) account of it, which he got in trouble for because it was in violation of the NDA he signed to not speak of it. Or as Brad mentioned, a former worker at Jurassic Park who then worked on the Jurassic World project could have talked about it in conversation with others around the water cooler. As for the shirt itself, I imagine that merchandise was already in production when it got shut down and someone stole a box rather than send it to be properly disposed of, later selling them on eBay once the story has circulated and the importance of the logo comes to light. In JP2, when they wanted to make a similar park in California, it could have happened again there and more merchandise was made then "lost" on the way to the incinerator.
You know, Telltale's Jurassic Park game had some really interesting bits too it. Like, Hammond choosing Wu over Sorkin because Wu's dna splicing was faster and cheaper than Sorkin's DNA cross referencing. Or how Ingen forced a native people off their land to build the park. It also had the only pure species on the island, Sorkin's Troodons, and they were absolutely terrifying. Always wanted to see them in a movie.
It’s kinda irritating how the movies tries to portray the dinosaurs has “here to stay” yet allowing them to live will cause even more environmental and ecological damage I think Fallen Kingdom was the most obnoxious about that if you ask me
I wouldnt say Lex broke Dennis's code as we never see her properly write any. We just see her operating what looks like a very unique operating system. Fair, not many could do that back then because computers were still new. But what Lex did was essentially go into a few computer menus to find the right app to click on. My personal theory is what she did was upload a saved file of Dennis's code before he activated the program that messed it all up.
@@chojin6136 So there is a Unix system that has a 3D interface that was made before Jurassic Park was released. Yes, Unix is a OS, but that screen animation is no more real then when someone Zoom and Enhances a security cam video.
@@kelaEQ2 It does exist - it's a Graphical file browser used by Silicon Graphics workstations, but a bunch of engineers would not need to use a GUI file browser. Problem is, it's a movie and a command line text interface isn't as interesting to use as a plot device in a visual medium like a Hollywood Movie - it was a directorial decision not to go with realism.
@@sentineluk7 and iirc in the lost world book they are silicon graphics workstations, like its specifically mentioned because a bunch of equipment from In-Gen was sold off and some of it wasnt wiped where is where they got the site b list initially. maybe it was the movie.
In the book there is a really neat quality to the dinos, that being the fact that they have extremely robust circulation and nervous systems, meaning that they are very difficult to kill, and take ages to bleed out. This, of course, leads to a scene where the warden shoots two raptors with a bazooka.
Yeah, I think Muldoon had a scene explaining to Gennaro(?) that accurate tranquilizing was _very_ difficult on established animals, much less dinosaurs, and their attempt to tranq the Rex was going to be a coin-toss, so don't expect her to fall over the instant the needle hits
@@BirdmanDeuce26 oh, right! I think I remember that part. Don’t they like shoot it with several darts and nothing happens? Yes, I’m sure it is with Genaro. Gennaro was a favorite character of mine in the book.
fun fact, the author of the books was the kind of person so obsessed with his sci-fi being accurate he has a bibliography of his sources at the end of the books. second fun fact, wanting to make the dinosaurs as accurate as possible the first Jurasic Park movie hired scientists and the like and actually advanced our understanding of dinosaurs because they wanted to be accurate with them(not their fault that we've learned more since then). third connected fun fact, both had the blatantly inaccurate velociraptors despite this dedication to accuracy
"We shared no expense... we spared no expenses....we spare balbidy blah blah... F#@k you Nedry, I don't care that you program every system in a huge park. You should just get a roommate if you can't afford food." Yep, Nedry being pissed off checks out. Edit: He undercut Wu, too. That's why Wu sold out to Vincent D'Oforio's character.
The 'velociraptors' were basically just deinonychus, a larger dromeosaur, but the name wasn't deemed threatening or cool enough, resulting in them being called velociraptors instead
Which is hilarious when you think about what their names actually mean. Velociraptor means "Swift thief" and Deinonychus means "Terrible Claw." The T-Rex is so well known and loved because it's not only terrifying looking. But it's name also means "Tyrant Lizard King" which sounds bad ass.
A few notes: They didn't invent a new dinosaur to call Velociraptor. It was actually based on Deinonychus, which at the time a prolific paleoartist intentionally misclassified as a species of Velociraptor. That character in World could easily know about Jurassic Park. It was only covered up in JP2, by JP3 it's public knowledge.
if I remember correctly, the reason people know about what happen in the first park, is because Ian Malcolm and I forget who else leaked the entire story. InGen tried to cover it up and take over the island. Then, at the end of the second movie, didn't they go public with the information in order to "Sway public opinion" in order to protect the dinos?
The Velocraptors of Jurassic Park were actually based very heavily on John Ostrom's work on a dinosaur called Deinonychus, which used to be called velociraptor as an alternative name in the late 1980s when the original novel was being penned. Deinonychus is no longer referred to as velociraptor today, but the distinction between it and the more modern version of velociraptor is actually touched upon in the novel.
the first guy to see a dinosaur in a war would probably freak out, start blindly firing, and then realise it quickly died or ran away and realise "oh, its just an animal and i have an assault rifle"
The velociraptors in JP were really Deinonychus, which absolutely was a well established dinosaur. Velociraptor sounds cooler, and has the raptor part to feed into the 'evolved into birds' theory, so Crighton used their name.
Same reason why Crichton used the name "Jurassic Park" when most of the dinosaurs are from the Cretaceous period(and other periods i think). He said "Jurassic Park" sounded cooler. That was it.
You beat me to it. 1 had a book about dinosaurs back in the 80s. The book showed a fossil and an artist representation of a velociraptor in a fight with a protoceratops, and a seperate entry on the Deinonychus. Crichton felt that the pronunciation of deinonychus would be too hard hor readers to get their heads around, and so substituted the name. I actually preferred deinonychus to the t-rex because it was such a well honed killing machine.
At the time, the two dinos were thought to be more or less the same creature. This was later differentiated in the scientific community, and then a new species was discovered: the Utahraptor (which was a close fit to what was being fictionally depicted).
You have no idea how refreshing it is to see someone get this fact right. This has the be the first time I've seen someone say they were based on the deinonychus rather than the utahraptor
The worst part to me is that John brought his grandkids to the park, knowing what could happen. The Lawyer briefly mentions that their parents are getting a divorce, giving a reason for them to be there. Hammond was probably supposed to watch his grandkids, but found his park tour more important. Also in The Lost World film, Hammond tricks Malcolm into going to site B after knowingly recruiting his girlfriend. I feel like he was trying to get rid of the man who badmouthed him and told the public the truth of Jurassic Park. If anything you think he would want to recruit Grant, the man who saved his Grandkids. Not the guy that got inquired and was down for the count the whole time. Seems he needed to take care of loose ends.
_"The worst part to me is that John brought his grandkids to the park"_ The park that he was convinced was safe and was trying to prove was safe. _"I feel like he was trying to get rid of the man who badmouthed him and told the public the truth of Jurassic Park. "_ I bet he also ate babies when no one was looking.
Sadlers best line is that it's still the flea circus. Cuts through to Hammond all of the things that Malcolm had been saying but ignored because of his personal dislike and hubris.
Correction: The first thing they stole on Fast and Furious was the story. 😂 Imagine John Wick 5 we find out John used to be John Utah FBI and he crosses movie universes to take back the F&F Franchise. Torreto says "F is for Family" and John replies "F your Family"😂
I never thought I would be so siked to see Gustav referenced in a video, that alligator is a goddamn monster, and is still unconfirmed dead which just builds to his legend as a modern-day dinosaur.
2:00 My first thought was Harry Potter. 8 movies (over 5),one vision (because it’s based on a book series),same core cast of characters,not rebooted,I’d have to imagine it made more money every release.
They said no one is excited to see a dinosaur anymore because they didn't have infinite quarterly increase and that was missed. You can't have infinite increase in profits. Every movie just goes to show you that greed was the true enemy.
I mean...it's the same island. The guy could have said he got it from the ruins of the old gift shop. Maybe he found it hiking in the jungle, or he knew about it because he works there. No need for ebay. Or add something about the secret getting revealed after a T-Rex escaped in Santa Monica.
I thought the "Velociraptors" in the movies were Utahraptors or something and like they just wanted something cool looking for the velociraptors because they realized they were tiny things.
I remember reading a kids magazine article that said they had uncovered a large skeleton of a raptor in Utah and that it was 'like' the ones in the coming to theaters movie Jurassic Park. Which I thought was neat
Lex didn’t ‘out-hack’ nedry - she just found the startup file after the reset in that weird 3d interface designed purely for tension. The gymnastics was just silly
What makes nedry even MORE sympathetic is that the bidding to do jp was done blindly. nobody really knew what they were building except for the specifications. Nedry didn't know what they were building yet had to build a os program from scratch. Nedry is a private contractor who owns a small business he built the program for jp with his employees in the USA, and then when failures inevitably happened, his phone was ringing off the hook so he demanded that his team go on site to work Hammond said no because jp was top secret but agreed on letting nedry come. When he got there, he realized this was not what he bid for. Nedry's small business went into the negative working for Hammond, and he refused to renegotiate costs. This is why nedry said he was "incredibly underappreciated in this time." nedry was cheated by Hammond, and all Hammond said was abide by your contract saying that he "sympathized with nedry's financial problems. I do not blame people for their mistakes but I do ask that they fix them." Nedry and his business was the victims of jurassic park.
I can actually field 22:56. Spielberg was stuck on the name Velociraptor. The book was written back when Deinonychus was still classified as a species of Velociraptor ( _V. antirrhopus,_ it's in the front in the glossary). Deinonychus were substantially larger than _Velociraptor mongoliensis_ being more than twice as long and twice as tall. Dr. Jack Horner (paleontologist on set) had actually brought both the reclassification of _Deinonychus antirrhopus_ into its own species *and* the then very recent discovery of the first Utahraptor fossils to Spielberg's attention. But Steven didn't think Deinonychus sounded scary enough and didn't want to change the name to anything that more closely matched the size of the raptors in the film thanks to just being stuck on "Velociraptor".
The history of Jurassic Park came out after the events in The Lost World Jurassic Park when the public became aware of the dinos. Remember that in the third film Grant was already exasperated by questions about Jurassic Park and Isla Sorna. Also, there were illegal tours to Site B taking place. I'm sure by the time in the films history that Jurassic World took place there was a lot of history and PR spin that happened in that universe to get people psyched up about Jurassic World and how it evolved the original Jurassic Park idea and was supported/endorsed by Hammond (a plot point that kind of reversed Hammonds character evolution in the second film).
The events of the original jurassic park might have been covered up but the little girl being attacked by mini dinos on the beach and the trex rampage in san diego wasn't.
I am VERY interested in watching you guys go over dinosaur films, especially if you include and differentiate documentaries from entertainment media. Dinosaurs are fantastic, but they get used as a gimmick for cheap productions so often it's hard to find the good ones. That being said, you had better include Velocipastor.
On the note of the T-shirt bit: As much as it sucked, at the end of the third movie there was the whole bit about an international preserve effort for the islands, so there is continuity for broader awareness of the events. Additionally there was the whole premise of the Lost World setup that Malcolm had tried to out the events of the first movie and was legally wrecked.
And considering the San Diego incident in the last act of lost world, no doubt there would have been investigations and inquiries that exposed the events of the roriginal film to the public
I imagine that after a full grown T-Rex went rampaging through San Diego and later pterodactyls got away from the island the public would learn more about Jurassic Park. From there that might have been the drive for more funding to try and make it work hense the skewed perception of the first park. Not seen as a total disaster but more that it worked and sure problems happened and if we just did X better or different then we won't crash.
As Project Supervisor of the Jurassic Park Project, Nedry was first told to "design a module for record keeping". Nedry was never told everything, and was always working in the dark. He had become very annoyed with InGen; Hammond continually asked for things which hadn't been included in his original contract, and InGen demanded that they be done. When Nedry refused, lawsuits were threatened and letters were written to Nedry's other clients insinuating that he was unreliable. Nedry had no other choice but to return and carry out the extra work, without any extra money. so ya.... dennis got screwed over worse than people think....
I remember reading the book for school about 30 years ago, just before the movie came out. I agree Hammond was 100% the 'bad guy' in the book, which was disappointing not to see when the movie came out. But I don't recall having a ton of sympathy for Nedry. I feel like he was still a prick and absolutely knew how many people he was putting in danger. But it has been forever since I read it.
@@RaefonBit’s that hammond caused it to happen, like a dominoes effect. Nedry wouldn’t have tried to sabotage the park if he had been compensated fairly and not slandered. Not to say that nedry is excused because of this, but it all boils down to hammond being a crook.
Name a movie series with a cohesive vision all the way through, no reboots, gets better and makes more money and keeps the same core group of actors... Harry potter.
No it's in the book and the movie they used other DNA strands to fix the gaps in the Dinosaur DNA they had. The trick was that they made the Dino's look like what people thought Dino's should look like rather then what they actually looked like, you know feathers and shit. That's why the Dino's in the newest movie have feathers.
Correction: the first dinosaur that was recognized as a "dinosaur" by Western science was found in the 1800s, sure, but humans have been hunting for and even interpreting fossils of dinosaurs and other fossil creatures for hundreds and even thousands of years. Coolest example I know of: dinosaur trackways in Australia were thought to have been made by giant flightless birds (which in a roundabout way isn't too wrong) by the indigenous people tens of thousands of years ago.
You have no idea how much dopamine my brain would release if you all did a Fact Fiend Focus series on different dinosaurs. My inner five year old craves the big lizards.
one moment that always stuck out to me in the first film was when. Dr grant is talking to, Hammond over the phone and the raptors attack. grant opens up on the raptors with a shot gun and it just cuts to Hammond hearing the gun shots over the phone and screaming "NO DON'T" as a kid i always thought that strange cause wouldn't he want them to survive but now hearing this it makes sense. there may of been a cut of the film were he is more of a con artist or might of been a artefact from an early version of script. or maybe a nod to how the character is in the book. someone that would rather protect his investment than human lives. also the, Meta knowledge mentioned would of been known to the character. pretty sure at the start of the 3rd film, Dr. Grant mentions during his presentation that he would not accept question about the events of the 1st film nor the second film as he wasn't in it. also if he's working for the same company and staff from the first island like, Dr Wu. rumours or NDA's would be distributed across the company.
@@yadakakadu is he? i could've sworn he was yelling No. i will admit i could be wrong as its been many years since i've seen the film and could be miss remembering. will have to re-watch and check
John Hammond was originally written to be more of of an insufferable asshole like in the book, but Richard Attenborough was so likable they couldn't go through with it. His version of Hammond is a lot like Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka now that I think about it. So charming and charismatic that even when the mask slips its hard not to like him.
@@ZombieBarioth yeah i was gonna touch on that. Richard Attenborough is just the archetype for the sweet old man that i think even if he did act like the, Hammond from the books we would still think he was a nice guy.
Small correction - Ingen attempted to cover up the events of the first park in the movies, but Malcolm broke an NDA to act as a whistleblower. That said, almost no one believed him. We’re told all of this at the start of the second film when he’s disgraced and discredited. Later, however, Ingen is openly preparing to open another related attraction in San Diego, and after the events surrounding the Rex’s rampage we go to them basically going public with it all as Hammond is deliberately and preemptively trying to sabotage further attempts to exploit Isla Sorna. At that point it’s probably safe to say that everything that happened on Isla Nublar is probably public knowledge as we see in Jurassic Park 3.
I remember seeing a Jurassic Park comic about the early years of the park that puts a fresh spin on this situation from the movies perspective. Haven't seen the comic in a while so I hope I'm remembering it right. In the comic Dennis and his team were actually getting very well paid for the services they were providing, rather than being underpaid. In the comic Dennis is somewhat happy at first because its a sizable, repeat contract despite them being the lowest bidder. All he knew of the job was it was some sort of zoo, and he wondered why someone would pay such a large amount for a system just to run a zoo, all-be-it, a large zoo. Then Dennis saw the dinosaurs, and realised the place was going to make an absolute fortune. After that he became bitter at his pay packet and started bugging Hammond for a pay-rise. Not sure if the comic is cannon, but from that perspective it makes Dennis out to be a bit of a bell-end. He only became unhappy with his pay packet not because of the work needed, not because he felt he was being under sold, or under pressure, but because he saw the dinosaurs. It also means he might have been talking shit throughout the movie about his financial situation, which would also put an extra spin on why Hammond kept rolling his eyes at him whenever he went on about it. Also from that perspective several people had to die just because Dennis became genuinely greedy. Personally, I do like the original vision of Dennis in the book where he really was being under paid and Hammond was a really big, cost cutting git. But for the movie, I do like the idea Hammond was in fact generous with Dennis, but he became greedy and destroyed the whole park because of that greed. But honestly, for the movie, either version works for me.
Great analysis. I've always hated the Hammond character because he was so criminally negligent, but I hadn't quite picked up on the cues that he was a deliberate conman the entire time. (In my defense, I was 12 when the first movie came out, so I wasn't really ready to notice subtlety yet.) Also, unrelated, but even though I'm American, when I saw the word "pissed" in the thumbnail, I genuinely thought you meant Nedry had a reason to be drunk, because you guys are British and I know that to you, that's what the word means. It wasn't until you were talking about Nedry's legitimate grievances that I realized you meant it in the American sense of "upset".
17:43 - He would have known about Jurassic Park. It's stated in the 2nd movie that Dr. Ian Malcolm broke an NDA and told people about it but InGen ruined his reputation and very few believed him until the events that took place later in that movie. Also in the 3rd one when Dr. Grant was doing that presentation and a bunch of people raised their hands to ask a question, the first thing he does to weed out the crowd is "Does anyone have a question that does not relate to Jurassic Park?" Clearly showing that by the time of the third movie it had become public knowledge.
Amongst a lot of annoyances I have with the Jurassic World trilogy they forgot the chief thing about the original. It was a horror movie wrapped in Steven Spielberg's 'family friendly' cape. Nothing more scary than something we can create but not control. Instead they went for a more popcorn action, which is fine it worked for Aliens (but really just Aliens), and kind of left everything else that was great about the OG movie in the dust in a vain 'nostalgic ride' which in no sense of irony to make bigger bucks.
Fun fact, Mosasaurs are not dinosaurs, they evolved from a separate line of reptiles, and their closest living relatives are Snakes and Monitor Lizards. There's hypothesises that they might have been venomous like their relatives too.
To be fair, many companies really do go after the "spared no expense" idea in some projects, only to vastly underpay in their IT resources, which end up crippling their project. (I know this because I've been involved in at least 6 of those, being the one picking up the pieces after the fact..) Most business management types have NO understanding of how vital their IT department is. The John Hammond character reflects that. One of the major behind the scenes ideas in Crichton's novels were about some great thing someone was trying to do, and they mess it up entirely by ignoring on something they thought was unimportant that ended up being very important. In Jurassic Park, it was the IT department. In The Terminal Man, it was the aspect of addiction. In Sphere, it was the imagination. In Andromeda Strain, it was that an infectious mechanism could infect something other than life. He had a talent of bringing something important from out of left field.
It was the moment hammond shouted "DONT" that i knew he was the real villan. He cared more about those monsters he funded than the wellbeing of his own family which is also hinted at when his own grandkids arnt cozying up to him on the chopper they were with the people who protected them.
I had take a class on security and a part of it was on signs that someone's about to go rogue or has gone rogue. dennis nedry was showing all the signs of going rogue until he did at the middle of the movie.
Don't know about the movie, but the books describe a lengthy and public court battle about who's responsible for the events at Jurassic Park. So he could be fanboying over what was exposed in that court case.
10:00 ... exactly like Walt Disney ... I am no Disney historian ... but as far as I can tell his 'Genius' was drawing a Rabbit, then changing it to a mouse, and "Let's make a Amusement park, but you know.... clean"
In terms of business risk management having Nedry as a single catastrophic failure point should be something quickly recognized as an unacceptable risk.
As a programmer, Samuel L Jackson's character probably said the code was a mess because the code was a mess, not because it was too complex for him to understand it. Building something with code is like building physical things. You can make something functional even thought it's an unmaintainable nightmare under the hood. Given that Nedry was working alone for such a large project, the code probably WAS bad. He'd have to take shortcuts instead of doing it properly.
In the novel the code wasn't bad (Arnold even credited it by saying "It's one helluva system"). But they never told Nedry (or his staff, because he wasn't alone, he was a contractor with his own firm that was hired by InGen to build the computer system) what the system was actually supposed to do.
InGen just gave Nedry vauge hints and when it all went pear-shaped (obviously) they expected Nedry to fix everything for FREE.
Nedry: "This wasn't in the contract."
Hammond: "I am altering the deal, pray that I don't alter it any further."
Nedry: "Screw you! Pay me >:( "
Hammond: **Calls every client Nedry has and talks shit about him**
This is what I was thinking too
@@Vollification they also mention the lack of notes throughout the code which is just bad practice especially working on something like this
Yes looking at Nedry's work space it more likely was held together by pins and gum instead of technical ingenuity I actually think Sam Jackson's character picked up smoking because of the horrible setup on John's and Nedry's problems that he has to try to fix
@@Vollification I would agree if it was more based off the book but it has enough different make for it to be he was the cheapest guy who was willing to code usually cheapest means in movies is shitty and more than likely would break
Dont forget that the lawyer was an amazing dude in the book. He doesnt want to be there. If I remember right, he's missing his kid's birthday to be there because Hammond insists on cutting corners for the sake of time. He also saves the grandkids and that's what leads to his death.
Was he the guy with the rocket launcher? I seem to remember one of the characters with a rocket launcher when they go after the rexes in the book.
@@yadakakadu Muldoon had the rocket launcher, Genaro was the one loading it
Genaro didn't die saving the grandkids. The only death that even remotely involved Lex and Tim was Ed Regis, the guy that left the kids in the car, and their involvement stopped at seeing it from a distance
The only other character to die in an incident involving kids was Eddy Carr, who died falling from the high hide while he and Lavine tried to stop the raptors from climbing up.
I guess if your name is a variation on Eddy in a JP/JW film, your best bet is to steer clear of any and all kids
@@chojin6136 So technically they both had the rocket launcher.
@@yadakakadu if that's the way you want to look at it, then sure. It's not exactly inaccurate, lol
"We need to make new dinosaurs people are getting bored of the dinosaurs"
The point here is that the profit growth was slowing, Somehow these investors think and demand growth to be infinite rather that reaching a state of sustainability
That's just investors in Capitalist systems. Twenty billion dollar profits are a failure if you made twenty billion last year. Either people change their perspective, or we're going to see a completely manufactured economic catastrophe.
antondevonlh13 exactly, that's why it's so common now for corporations to lay off workers even when they have a great quarter to cut costs and further pad their profits. The greed is endless, and eventually it comes back to haunt these companies because you can only cut costs so much before things start to go wrong, and the simple fact that infinite growth just isn't possible.
I disagree with the view of the zoo. Zoo has got new animals or made the zoo big to get people to come back. For example, a zoo with no tiger is lame but add a new area for a tiger that goes into g to get people to come back.
@@antondevonlh It's a culture and education system that is only focused on the short term. Free markets function pretty well if you have longevity in mind.
Why settle for good enough when you can have better? Less you forget the whole park was made for profit. People put their money on a venture to make money, not to be nice or do something neat. And it did work, everytime they dropped a new dinosaur millions came, the budget expanded, science was pushed further, and thousand were given jobs. Where they messed up was skimping on safety procedures and not having good fail safes.
"Zoos wouldnt just combine animals to bring in more people-"
Hey guys, you may need to be introduced to the Lyger. And the Zorse.
That's why they were so doubtful that Australian animals like the platypus was a real animal. It was like some taxidermist stitched a beaver, a duck, and mole together. The museums had been burned before about a fantastical beast from an exotic location that turned out was a hoax.
@@benwagner5089 i mean, Lygars and Zorse are living hybrids at least rather than bad taxidermy
What? No Zedonk?
@@chojin6136 isn't it a Zonky?
@@danielled8665 like the liger and tigon, I think it depends on which was male and which was female
It is worth pointing out that in the novel you already had dinosaurs escaping the island before the story even begin.
It heavily implies that at the very least compies had gotten to the main land and started attacking people, highlighting that the whole project was a disaster long before Nedry's little scheme.
Implies? The Compies outright eat a baby and maul a child on a beach before a specimen is found and confirmed. The Costa Rican gov't just covers it up.
Yeah isn’t there a bit in the beginning of the first book where one just snatches a baby from a village in the middle of the night in Costa Rica?
@@notenoughmemes1847 not snatches, a group of them eat a baby alive in its crib. The death is officially said to be SIDS by the government.
Of course Nedry could have been responsible for that in a roundabout way. In the book they monitor the dinosaurs by having a series of cameras and motion trackers count how many of each species there are, but will stop counting when they hit that number (if there are only supposed to be 2 triceratops, it will count to 2 and stop). If Nedry designed the counters to stop instead of leaving the max number open-ended, they would have known the dinos were breading much faster.
@@notenoughmemes1847 there is a scene in the prologue of the book that has a mainland doctor treating a plantation worker or someone with a similar job who has claw wounds as if he had been attacked by a big predator. A strange infection seems to be quickly spreading across the wounds and building bubbling foam around the ripped flesh. The Spanish speaking patient deliriously repeats the words „raptor…lo sa raptor“. The doctor has to look up the phrase in a dictionary and comes across the translation „raptor = bird of prey“.
Said this 100 times before and I'll say it 100 times again.
In the novel Nedry was totally screwed over by InGen. And on top of that, even if Nedry hadn't done what he did, Jurassic Park (in the novel) was still well on it's way to a complete collapse. Nedry wasn't even the straw that broke the camels back, the camel was already broken in half and on fire.
Jurassic Park as a concept would have never worked.
It's been a while since I read it, but it seems like I remember in the first two or three pages we already know it's gone bad.
This exactly. Grant and company tear the park apart before they even go on the tour, and present data that the dinosaurs are both breeding and escaping the island right under ingens nose.
What's even more interesting, is how the 'wild' dinosaurs are practically tame compared to the genetic monsters ingen has kept in their zoo. The caged raptors behaviour vs the wild ones is a huge example of this.
Biosyn shows up in some other Crichton books, too. It's a fun little romp watching Dodgson get up to more hijinks.
yeah the movie version had significantly less problems exposed
It's sad that you need to explain this ever. You know, since it's literally the entire goddamned point of the book, and spelled explicitly in the text. More than once.
Of course, the movie has a different focus. With the different shift in the movie it makes more sense to also flip the characters. If anything, it small little bit still left it in from the books that are out of place. I think they're good for different reasons. Jurassic Park, the movie is a family centric movie with some horror elements which make it have more of a mass appeal. But of course, the book's critique of that raw capitalist mindset is equally valuable if not more so, considering the issues we have in our world with charlatans and exploitative leaders who we for some reason worship.
In a way, one could see the movie as the corporate propaganda that came out of InGen after the events of the book, trying to "set the record straight" and make Hammond in to this entrepreneur we tend to worship. Of course, this is not how it was intended to be read. But it is a fun little idea.
Which is why John Hammond's (spoilers for a 30+ year book) death at the end of Jurassic Park was so poetic. Being killed by procompsognathus, supposedly tiny chicken-sized dinosaurs that have paralytic venom in their bite. He had a broken ankle, but didn't think they could kill him. But his schill dinos he wanted to fleece the world with ended up taking his life because he didn't take them seriously.
And spoilers on that, Henry Wu got eaten by raptors. It's really a modern version of Frankenstein.
I read that book twice
I read the book long before I knew it was going to be a movie. Hammond was unlikable.
@@LadyhawksLairDotCom And Sattler was a total badass in the book.
Also missing the point that he was scared into falling and twisting his ankle, and thus dying, when his grandkids that he brought along for clear publicity reasons almost getting them killed are goofing off and play a t-rex roar over the speakers. So, he does it to himself a lot of different ways there.
Lost World had the right opinion of John Hammond, at least at the end, when a T-Rex busts out of the ship and starts rampaging through SD, and Malcolm turns to the corporate guy who made it all happen and says "NOW you're John Hammond."
That's one thing I hate about the movie. They completely gloss over the fact that Nedry actually did fulfill his contract with Hammond/Ingen and was blackmailed into doing hundreds of thousands of dollars of work a a loss. The movie also glosses over the fact that Nedry isn't working on this by himself. He has a team of techs working with him from the mainland. He mentions having to tell his crew they will be working overtime through the whole working. Nerdy was losing money on that job due to Hammond being such a sleezy person.
Yep. And the reason the original code was buggy was because Ingen was so paranoid about leaks that they never told him what any of the code was for.
I really doubt they glossed over anything like that as opposed to it just not having happened in the first place in the movie version. Its pretty safe to assume that any change is a deliberate change given all the things they changed.
Truly “spared no expense” moment
yup Hammond is the real villian of the franchise, im glad in the second movie they pretty much made that abundantly clear.
In D&D, we call that meta knowledge - when you use stuff that your character wouldn't know
I think it's called "bad writing" ... technical term.
I think the trope is called "Leaning on the Fourth Wall", especially since it's not sufficiently explained how much the public actually knows about the original Jurassic Park. It's ambiguous enough that it could be a fourth wall break, but may not be.
Like a character calling out an enemy weakness when there player would have had no way of knowing it
Yeah, it's sort of breaking the fourth wall, or meta knowledge to a degree. But in fairness, he might have gotten the t-shirt off of E-bay after the first park was abandoned. It's unrealistic to expect the original park and the events that took place there to not eventually hit certain internet circles, especially the conspiracy minded ones. Even back when the original movie was released there were chat rooms and forums for all kinds of weird stuff if you had AOL and no filters enabled. As early as 1993 there was an online community for BDSM enthusiasts putting together munches and parties both in the US and in the UK. So, you can rest assured there were similar communities built online for alien conspiracies and something like a top secret park on a private island with real dinosaurs would definitely be entertained there as well.
To expect that every member of InGen would honor the non-disclosure agreement would be the real fantasy. Of course, someone would spill the beans and maybe even have grabbed merch at some point to prove it all happened. I don't think it's as big a plot hole as it's being made out to be, honestly.
It may also be worth remembering that "dinosaurs live" sorta broke when a T-Rex marched down a city's streets in Lost World.
The parallels with Hammond and recent tech billionaires or even tech personalities of the time was so spot on. Crichton's novels and his views of profiting of of advancement was a consistent theme of many of his novels.
It's sadly quite lost on translation to the film, wich sucks because it is an important and even relevant theme even for today, but i can't be mad at Attemborough's Hammond.
The guy just has mad charisma.
@Vicente Matías I think its still there, but later rewrites of Crichton's 1st draft of the screenplay toned it down and Attenborough just was to damn likable.
I loved his books, just think, he was tackling men being raped and women lying about rape back in the 80s!
@@vicentematias763 which is why they changed so much, they were trying to be as close to IRL dinosaurs knowledge etc of the time. There was a bit of manipulation of perception going on with the raptors but that was trying to promote new understanding of the time and even the lack of feathers on the dinos was because it was a radical theory back then.
It's a shame that he turned into such a loony crank in his later years
In the novel, the Lawyer was this ripped bad ass, who helped Muldoon hunt the T-rex with a rocket launcher
He also went into the raptor nest well with hesitation, he even went into the generator shed to try turn the main power back on in turn being attacked by a raptor and survived.
Dude actually had alot of guts to be fair.
I remember lisenting to the novel and picturing him as Charles offdensen from Metalocalypse
@@flaccidpancake2614 lmao that's perfect
The one guy mentioned about the shirt is easily explained in the first part of JP2 where Malcolm blew the whistle and was subsequently slandered and defamed by Hammond's nephew. He was exactly the type of person to volunteer for the job out of a macabre obsession.
I had to double check that Hammond's actor's brother was freaking David Attenbourough! And on the double check I learned that apparently Richard (the actor) was a member of the freaking House of Lords! What!??
Yeah, the Attenborough's are toffs. You didn't think they were just regular folks? BBC aren't paying ten thousand fortunes to fly just any asshole around the world to talk about animals.
He's not called Sir Lord Richard Attenborough for no reason
@@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t except he was a member of the house of Lords for 21 years, from July 30th 1993 to August 23rd 2014 where his title was 'The Lord Attenborough CBE'. I'll provide a link in a new comment, in case TH-cam is being funny with external links
@@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t and you really didn't need to tell me that he was dead, I've known since it happened. Nothing I said was inaccurate because you can very much still refer to him as Sir Lord Richard Attenborough, whether he is dead or not
In the book, Nedry was contracted to create the individual computer systems for the park without ever knowing they would be networked. Hammond compartmentalized the whole process to keep the park secret. The systems Nedry created turned out to be incompatible with each other and they had to bring him in to try to fix it. Instead of paying Nedry for the additional work, Hammond threatened to ruin his reputation if he did not do the work for free. That is why Nedry was so comfortable selling out his boss.
Hammond got eaten alive at the end of the book.
They actually did not betray Chris Pratt's character. If you look more closely at their actions, when the Raptors are killing, there was one where the raptor just finished killing someone, see's Grady, and doesn't attack him. She actually looked like he was waiting on his approval. Those raptors had to have noticed how tense Grady was around certain people, especially older and fatter Private Pyle. They never actually tried to attack Grady. Seeing as they looked to HIM to see if HE wanted the I-Rex to joining "THEIR" pack, and by "their" I mean the raptors AND Grady. They had actually been looking to him for directions, and when he made it clear that he did not want the I-Rex to be part of the pack, the remaining three raptors attacked I-Rex.
There was also the scene where they are in the lab and Fat Gomer Pyle was talking all his bullshit and pissinf Grady off. They noticed the tension between them which is why the raptor put herself BETWEEN Grady and Pyle. She knew they were there standing behind her. Her posture was that of a pack member defending other members of their pack. Had they turned on Grady, they'd have actually tried to kill him, but they didn't. They had several chances to, but they didn't as he was still the Alpha and they had never turned on him.
The one argument I could see being AGAINST your theory is Barry getting attacked during the scene following the raptors encounter with the I-Rex. And that, I honestly believe, has probably more to do with less direct exposure with the raptors. They didn't see Barry as part of their pack, so he was fair game.
Maybe their attempt at attacking Owen earlier in the movie too, but that incident I think can be interpreted as the pack violently protesting a percieved hogging of a meal they rightly earned together. It wasn't so much that they wanted to usurp Owen so much as they wanted their fair share.
If Jurassic Park raptors are anything like wolves, an "alpha" isn't so much the most dominant member of a pack as it is that the "alpha" is the senior most member. And because we know for a fact that Owen was there right from the moment they hatched, which allowed them to imprint on him... that means he occupies the same relationship to them as a parent would.
@@terrykrugii5652”hey dad can we keep it?” The raptors gesturing to the giant T. rex hybrid
@@13legomania pretty much yeah
For the record, they never confirmed that the Dinosaurs weren't "Real" Dinosaurs.
In the clip that Wu says that none of the animals are natural, he specifically says that if the Dinosaurs DNA were pure, they'd look very different.
An example is the Pyroraptor in the latest film.
If we're going to go based on wording you have to admit Natural and Real would be synonymous in this context. They are all artificial animals and thusly fake Dinosaurs.
Yes, however at the same time by now we know that dinosaurs had feathers or that real velociraptors would have been smaller. So it's reasonable to assume that he and the scientists "designed" the dinosaurs to look like what people expected at the time.
So, saying they weren't real dinosaurs is pretty much the only way the movies work with current knowledge and understanding of dinosaurs.
@@Neonsilver13 What Fact Fiend meant by that was that they weren't Dinosaurs at all, there is Zero prehistoric DNA in them.
That they're just modern animals modified to _look_ like Dinosaurs.
@@Neonsilver13 When Jurassic Park was filmed, it was already common knowledge in the scientific community that many dinos had feathers. Spielberg either didn't do any research, or did exactly as you describe: designed them as the audience expected, because audience knowledge was 20 years behind science's (as it always is).
@@MaraW1832 Ok, wasn't aware of that, I thought the feathers were a more recent discovery.
Something that's always bugged me about the Indominous Rex is that it could speak with raptors. the movie went out of its way to say that it was poorly socialized after killing its sister, and genes don't confer communication skills.
I mean, if you met someone that was three times your size, who told you that they'd kill you if you didn't help them in broken English, would you not listen to them?
@@thatwaffleguy4958 It would probably be more akin to a wild man that speaks no human language pointing and grunting than a guy speaking in broken English
@@gentlemandemon But the size comparison still stands.
It's less communication and more "I don't know what it wants because I don't understand it, but it could kill me and I want to live".
@@thatwaffleguy4958 Sure, that makes a certain logical sense, but the in-text explanation was that it could speak raptor because of its genetics, which is the rub for me
@@gentlemandemon Understandably so. My brother has the same issue with this plot hole.
John Hammond is 100% the villain. The fact that NO one seems to see this is equally hilarious and disturbing.
Its how he’s portrayed in the film, he’s like a nice grandpa. In the book he’s such an a**hole
Didn't the first one with Chris Pratt had the female lead open the park early for corporate profits, killing multiple people?
It's kinda lost in translation, mostly because of the framing of the film and Attemborough's killer charisma. In the novel, there is no doubt he is the villain.
People just view surface level most of the time.
They don't worry about deeper motivation.
Even when I saw the film as a kid I didn't see him as anything other than a kooky old guy originally.
I would point out that there is a big difference between John Hammond in the movie and John Hammond in the book, and that's the movie version realized he was a villain.
Early on in Lost World (Jurassic Park 2), we get a conversation with Ian Malcolm (Jeff Goldblum), where they mention he was a whistle-blower on the events of the first film, with mixed responses as to his credibility. And by the end of that movie they were literally finishing a mini Jurassic Park in California, and Hammond is on the News about how they need to leave the dinosaurs alone and let them live in peace on the islands. So InGen was trying to keep it under wraps at first, but by the time we have a T-Rex rampaging through a major city, pretty much all the dirt came out on the Parks/Islands/Dinos.
Yeah I didn’t get his point about the JW worker knowing about JP. Ian and Grant both wrote books also if I remember correctly. Sometimes their complaints seem very nitpicky and just for the sake of arguing and being contrarians.
Yeah the problem is that LW has the weird obsession with having characters constantly talking over each other which is why that point was likely missed. I love the movie, but it's one of the few things that I can't stand about it.
@@ThePhenomenalEX Off topic but, what do you think of JW3? I know it gets a lot of hate and definitely isn’t as good as the first but I actually really like it.
@@ThePhenomenalEX Well, there is the fact that Grant actually says to a large group of people in an auditorium that he didn't want to answer questions on either Isla Nublar or Isla Sorna, and when he is asked about the experience, he does say that the Dinosaurs were genetically engineered theme park monsters. So people definitely know.
@@ThePhenomenalEX They do that a lot. It is pretty realistic, but it makes for cinema that is difficult for the audience to follow. Not so bad when two characters are just being quirky, not so much when they're trying to get out exposition.
You could say that they couldnt figure out Dennis's code not because it was so advanced, but because it was a deliberate mess.
Ive got friends who are programmers and some of them dont clean up their code to make it easy to understand for others, because only they are the ones who have to deal with the code. In some cases its so the job theyre working on doesnt decide to just hire and fire them on a whim.
So in a way Dennis might have been trying to make himself somewhat indispensable to Jurassic Park.
I'm a programmer and his code was probably messy because it had to be. The thing about good clean code is that it's slower than just hacking together a mess that works. Dude was on a tight budget and deadline. He definitely took a lot of shortcuts.
I think some companies now will actually fire you if you 'do' make your code a mess that only you can understand. They'll just scrap it and start again, to make sure that you can't blackmail them into keeping you.
As a programmer, even if you're alone on a project you don't want messy code, those "other programmers" that come in to maintain the code you wrote is usually, yourself, and if that's after a break from looking at the code you're gonna be as clueless as anyone else even if you wrote that code
@@CraftMine1000 haven’t read the book, but at least in the movie they make him out to be messy in general, but it’s the sort of einstein messy where he knows exactly where everything is; he has three different screens, one with a chess game open, and he’s able to do everything without getting confused. Also, considering they make the character out to be a troll in general, there’s a better than good chance that he did it just to troll everybody else and make sure they come crawling to him later to clean everything up.
He did constantly and consistently tell them that if they thought they could find someone who could do what he did for the same pay they were welcome to try, writing a code only he could work with probably went a long way to that confidence, especially when they reached a point where starting from scratch might be dangerous
With the first book/movie the kids are brought in for a reason. Tim is a dinosaur enthusiast making him a representative of the target audience. Lex is a kid that is indifferent/doesnt care about dinosaurs. If he can impress them and Dr. Grant then he know it was worth everything.
That and accroding to him he was doing the kids parents a favor since they were both going through a divorce and this done to distract them but unintentionally sealed their fate
Introducing the new zoo experience. ManBearPig! Half man, half bear and half pig. It's animalistic sound translates to "please kill me" and merchandise is available for preorder in any zoo near you. We're not joking, we're super cereal.
I don’t know, he looks more half man-bear and half pig
The shirt in the Jurassic World thing makes sense when you consider that in the context of the series word had gotten out about the park. Nearly all the survivors had written books on their experiences. The company had also released a counter narritive. The merchandise could've come from companies that were planned to manunfacture these things but they were left with stock after the park went down. The guy with the shirt is kind of like the people who romanticise older versions of theme parks like Disneyland not realizing just how unsafe and cobbled together they were. I also think the best description of Hammond is a cross between Disney and Edison.
Damn, that’s a lot of antisemitism in that cross
Another bit I forgot to mention earlier. There is an easy way to explain the Andominos Rex. The need for a new attraction was just a cover story. They were actually trying to make a big dino that could be controlled and sold as a weapon. Basically the entire new park was just a fancy showroom for their arms dealing. The sequels really validate the notion that the current incarnation of the company always had that as the real goal.
Dude, it was just a piece of nostalgia bs that was written in without thinking about. Like most of that movie
More like Disney and Dr. Frankenstein😂
What was wrong with Disneyland? Last I checked, it didn’t have a high accident or complaint record, and most issues I’ve heard about are VERY recent, within the last few years.
On the velociraptors, they did exist as the chicken sized dinosaurs, but Spielberg didnt think they were threatening enough. But then, after they made the movie and I belive they were in post-production, paleontologists found fossils of a utahraptor, which is about the same size as the movie-raptors. I can't remember if it was Spielberg himself or someone else working on the movie that said "we made it, then they discovered it".
Also, jurassic park is one of the few cases where I like the movie and the book almost equally, because they are so different they are almost their own stories, but are still the same story in a way.
Also also, they switch around almost all the deaths from the book in the movie, which I found so incredibly facinating
Well Crichton based them on Deinonychus antirrhopus. Considering he was using Greg S.Paul's book of the late 80's , it gives you an idea as to how they looked like in the novel. Plus Greg S.Paul wanted to lump both dromaeosaurids under the velociraptor name (including Velociraptor mongoloensis, the turkey-sized one...) but that did not take.
As for the utahraptors, Jim Kirkland discovered those fossils around 93 ... and Utahraptor is bigger than the movie ones (think of it as an in-between the movie raptor & the indoraptor size-wise...)
Learned that fact from the book Raptor Red!
Well the one in the movie are basically Deichyrus or something like that. But velociraptor is easier to spell, pronounce, and sounds cooler.
"If you're going to make a cooler dinosaur, you make a fucking flying 'raptor or something like that!"
That was actually the exact premise behind Kenner's _Chaos_ _Effect_ line of _Jurassic_ _Park_ toys.
Wouldn't that be just a bird?
@@yadakakaduIf you gave it bat wings, no.
@@yadakakadu At best, it would only be part bird.
@@redslate A flying raptor is a bird. Raptor literally means "bird of prey". If you take the modern depictions of raptors, they are very bird like with the feathers.
@András Jordán Hold on...
You mean you watched _Jurassic_ _Park_ ?
A honey badger / velociraptor hybrid would be terrifying.
No nonono NO aanndd no.
Personally I think a honey badger/ honey badger hybrid is even more horrifying
Honey Badgers would probably look at a velociraptor and think , " That's just an overgrown lizard, I can take that easy ;".
Utah raptor
*After biting and scratching the honey badger for 5 minutes straight.*
Raptor: Why won't you die?!
Badger: I live to spite God!
I think you nailed on the head what the ACTUAL issue with the Jurassic world films is, the people in charge think Dinosaurs are lame and thus had this image of needing to make them more extreme to make viewers care about them.
Meanwhile we got a documentary designed to be as up to date accurate about them, treats them as animals and its one of the bigger hits on streaming.
_"Meanwhile we got a documentary designed to be as up to date accurate about them, treats them as animals and its one of the bigger hits on streaming."_
Which is great for comparison if you're exclusively comparing it to Jurassic World in its first year or so of operation.
Jurassic World had been around for a decade by the time the movie happened. The park was still getting 20,000 visitors a day but the novelty of dinosaurs existing is going to decrease over time unless you're supplying the public with enough amnesiacs that they keep getting blown away that, yep, existing animals still exist.
@@ElliotKeaton 20k visitors a day over 10 years is only 73m visitors total. Just for the sake of being unrealistic, let's say every one of those visits is unique: every visitor only spends 1 day at the park and never comes back. After a decade, less than 1% of the world's population would have visited the park for even a single day; at that rate, the park could remain open for over 100 years and never get a repeat visitor. But if they're getting "bored" of the dinosaurs, then they obviously have a lot of repeat visitors, and realistically, almost no one is making a trip like that and only spending one day at the park. So they've what, 20m, 10m unique visitors at best?
For comparison, on an average day Disney World in Orlando gets about 57k visitors to its Magic Kingdom alone. Combining all four parks in Orlando, an average day is around 160k visitors, or nearly 60m in a single year. If Disney isn't struggling with boredom with that many visitors per year, how is Jurassic World struggling with the same number over nearly a decade (8 years would be ~60m)?
@@SvafaBlackhandproblem with the park was it was expensive to run, so it was expensive to go to, not everyone can afford to fly to a private island.
I still think it's a huge shame that they didn't include the river raft scene in the first book along with the dinosaurs being off the island basically from the get go
As an aside the reason i think the reason the guy knew about thrme first park in the reboot was Ian Malcom had spilled everything about the park before the second movie they even talk about it early on alot of people didn't believe him till a T-Rex rocked up in San Diego providing undeniable proof of Ian Malcolm's story
Alan Grant wrote a second book as well after his visit to the park. The existence of the park was well known after the events of the first two films. The plot of the third film starts with tourists visiting the island to try and illegally see dinosaurs.
I feel like the raft sequence was a loss, but I feel like the “escaping dinos” part works less well in a movie. Because then you either have to wrap that story beat up awkwardly or leave it hanging.
the movies were all terrible in comparison to the novels
At around 16:30, in regards to the guy who shouldn’t know about the first park, do you think it might be because Ian Malcolm and Alan Grant leaked the information? The second movie opens with Ian getting a call from Hammond, and the InGen guy commented on him leaking information/breaking NDAs, and the third has Alan Grant giving a guest lecture about dinosaurs and he denies questions that involve the park.
Only Malcon had leaked the story, Grant and Satler were silent about it.
The lecture part was only because he was a witness of the parks disaster, and the public had a macabre curiosity of that, just as much as they were curious about San Diego's rampage.
A part of me thought of it in a sort of "abandoned by Disney thing" where rundown theme park enthusiasts would go onto isla nublar and steal merch from the old run down stores that are within the park's visitor center as well as take pictures for others who have this kind of trespassing hobby (forgot what it's called) wich kind of would then make the fact that this guy has stolen merch from a failed theme park that resulted in peoples deaths would be like if someone had merch from blobby land or some other theme park that shutdown due to some kind of disaster
The guy wearing the Jurassic Park shirt could have heard about the park issues from Ian's (Jeff Goldblum's character) account of it, which he got in trouble for because it was in violation of the NDA he signed to not speak of it.
Or as Brad mentioned, a former worker at Jurassic Park who then worked on the Jurassic World project could have talked about it in conversation with others around the water cooler. As for the shirt itself, I imagine that merchandise was already in production when it got shut down and someone stole a box rather than send it to be properly disposed of, later selling them on eBay once the story has circulated and the importance of the logo comes to light. In JP2, when they wanted to make a similar park in California, it could have happened again there and more merchandise was made then "lost" on the way to the incinerator.
Dinosaurs in Fast in Furious would be the next logical step
You know, Telltale's Jurassic Park game had some really interesting bits too it. Like, Hammond choosing Wu over Sorkin because Wu's dna splicing was faster and cheaper than Sorkin's DNA cross referencing. Or how Ingen forced a native people off their land to build the park.
It also had the only pure species on the island, Sorkin's Troodons, and they were absolutely terrifying. Always wanted to see them in a movie.
It’s kinda irritating how the movies tries to portray the dinosaurs has “here to stay” yet allowing them to live will cause even more environmental and ecological damage
I think Fallen Kingdom was the most obnoxious about that if you ask me
@@TheKing-uu7jn While I'm not sure what that has to do with my comment, I do agree. They'd all be dino burgers before the end of the year, irl.
You forgot to say the magic word.
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You forgot to say the magic word.
We forgot to say the magic word .
Thine hath forgotten thy mystical syllable
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I wouldnt say Lex broke Dennis's code as we never see her properly write any. We just see her operating what looks like a very unique operating system.
Fair, not many could do that back then because computers were still new. But what Lex did was essentially go into a few computer menus to find the right app to click on.
My personal theory is what she did was upload a saved file of Dennis's code before he activated the program that messed it all up.
That Unix system Lex was using is a real operating system
@@chojin6136 So there is a Unix system that has a 3D interface that was made before Jurassic Park was released.
Yes, Unix is a OS, but that screen animation is no more real then when someone Zoom and Enhances a security cam video.
@@kelaEQ2 'silicon graphics 3d file system navigator for irix' google it
@@kelaEQ2 It does exist - it's a Graphical file browser used by Silicon Graphics workstations, but a bunch of engineers would not need to use a GUI file browser. Problem is, it's a movie and a command line text interface isn't as interesting to use as a plot device in a visual medium like a Hollywood Movie - it was a directorial decision not to go with realism.
@@sentineluk7 and iirc in the lost world book they are silicon graphics workstations, like its specifically mentioned because a bunch of equipment from In-Gen was sold off and some of it wasnt wiped where is where they got the site b list initially. maybe it was the movie.
In the book there is a really neat quality to the dinos, that being the fact that they have extremely robust circulation and nervous systems, meaning that they are very difficult to kill, and take ages to bleed out. This, of course, leads to a scene where the warden shoots two raptors with a bazooka.
Yeah, I think Muldoon had a scene explaining to Gennaro(?) that accurate tranquilizing was _very_ difficult on established animals, much less dinosaurs, and their attempt to tranq the Rex was going to be a coin-toss, so don't expect her to fall over the instant the needle hits
@@BirdmanDeuce26 oh, right! I think I remember that part. Don’t they like shoot it with several darts and nothing happens? Yes, I’m sure it is with Genaro. Gennaro was a favorite character of mine in the book.
fun fact, the author of the books was the kind of person so obsessed with his sci-fi being accurate he has a bibliography of his sources at the end of the books. second fun fact, wanting to make the dinosaurs as accurate as possible the first Jurasic Park movie hired scientists and the like and actually advanced our understanding of dinosaurs because they wanted to be accurate with them(not their fault that we've learned more since then). third connected fun fact, both had the blatantly inaccurate velociraptors despite this dedication to accuracy
"We shared no expense... we spared no expenses....we spare balbidy blah blah... F#@k you Nedry, I don't care that you program every system in a huge park. You should just get a roommate if you can't afford food."
Yep, Nedry being pissed off checks out.
Edit: He undercut Wu, too. That's why Wu sold out to Vincent D'Oforio's character.
Most believable part of these films; corporate ass treats his employees badly by cutting corners and they get fed up.
@@danielled8665 I thought you were calling Hammond an ass treat, and I immediately added that term to my lexicon! Lmao
@@brknglasses2734 lmao well, if anyone in Jurrassic Park would be a whole ass treat, that would be Ian Malcom. 😏😅
The 'velociraptors' were basically just deinonychus, a larger dromeosaur, but the name wasn't deemed threatening or cool enough, resulting in them being called velociraptors instead
Which is hilarious when you think about what their names actually mean. Velociraptor means "Swift thief" and Deinonychus means "Terrible Claw." The T-Rex is so well known and loved because it's not only terrifying looking. But it's name also means "Tyrant Lizard King" which sounds bad ass.
A few notes:
They didn't invent a new dinosaur to call Velociraptor. It was actually based on Deinonychus, which at the time a prolific paleoartist intentionally misclassified as a species of Velociraptor.
That character in World could easily know about Jurassic Park. It was only covered up in JP2, by JP3 it's public knowledge.
if I remember correctly, the reason people know about what happen in the first park, is because Ian Malcolm and I forget who else leaked the entire story. InGen tried to cover it up and take over the island. Then, at the end of the second movie, didn't they go public with the information in order to "Sway public opinion" in order to protect the dinos?
The Velocraptors of Jurassic Park were actually based very heavily on John Ostrom's work on a dinosaur called Deinonychus, which used to be called velociraptor as an alternative name in the late 1980s when the original novel was being penned. Deinonychus is no longer referred to as velociraptor today, but the distinction between it and the more modern version of velociraptor is actually touched upon in the novel.
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Remember Hammond also didn't allow the park security to have weapons in the book, because the dinosaurs cost so much.
I just realized Nedry's last name is an anagram of "nerdy." That is all.
Genre-savvy characters are ones that are aware of the 'type of film' they're in.
the first guy to see a dinosaur in a war would probably freak out, start blindly firing, and then realise it quickly died or ran away and realise "oh, its just an animal and i have an assault rifle"
The velociraptors in JP were really Deinonychus, which absolutely was a well established dinosaur. Velociraptor sounds cooler, and has the raptor part to feed into the 'evolved into birds' theory, so Crighton used their name.
Same reason why Crichton used the name "Jurassic Park" when most of the dinosaurs are from the Cretaceous period(and other periods i think). He said "Jurassic Park" sounded cooler. That was it.
You beat me to it. 1 had a book about dinosaurs back in the 80s. The book showed a fossil and an artist representation of a velociraptor in a fight with a protoceratops, and a seperate entry on the Deinonychus. Crichton felt that the pronunciation of deinonychus would be too hard hor readers to get their heads around, and so substituted the name. I actually preferred deinonychus to the t-rex because it was such a well honed killing machine.
At the time, the two dinos were thought to be more or less the same creature. This was later differentiated in the scientific community, and then a new species was discovered: the Utahraptor (which was a close fit to what was being fictionally depicted).
The Jurassic Park "velociraptors" are the reason why deinonychus is my favourite dinosaur.
You have no idea how refreshing it is to see someone get this fact right. This has the be the first time I've seen someone say they were based on the deinonychus rather than the utahraptor
I dont know about calling him Dennis Nedry... In my heart and in my mind he will always be known to me as "Hello Newman" lmao
Yeah maybe don't underpay the guy that designed your dinosaur security systems.
Think the real moral is be willing to renegotiate with the guy who programmed your dino security.
The aviary scene in the third movie may have been adapted from the first book. Though, I'd have to go back and read the book again to double check.
The worst part to me is that John brought his grandkids to the park, knowing what could happen. The Lawyer briefly mentions that their parents are getting a divorce, giving a reason for them to be there.
Hammond was probably supposed to watch his grandkids, but found his park tour more important.
Also in The Lost World film, Hammond tricks Malcolm into going to site B after knowingly recruiting his girlfriend. I feel like he was trying to get rid of the man who badmouthed him and told the public the truth of Jurassic Park.
If anything you think he would want to recruit Grant, the man who saved his Grandkids. Not the guy that got inquired and was down for the count the whole time. Seems he needed to take care of loose ends.
_"The worst part to me is that John brought his grandkids to the park"_
The park that he was convinced was safe and was trying to prove was safe.
_"I feel like he was trying to get rid of the man who badmouthed him and told the public the truth of Jurassic Park. "_
I bet he also ate babies when no one was looking.
Sadlers best line is that it's still the flea circus. Cuts through to Hammond all of the things that Malcolm had been saying but ignored because of his personal dislike and hubris.
Correction: The first thing they stole on Fast and Furious was the story. 😂 Imagine John Wick 5 we find out John used to be John Utah FBI and he crosses movie universes to take back the F&F Franchise. Torreto says "F is for Family" and John replies "F your Family"😂
I never thought I would be so siked to see Gustav referenced in a video, that alligator is a goddamn monster, and is still unconfirmed dead which just builds to his legend as a modern-day dinosaur.
He's been mentioned in another fact fiend video! :)
2:00 My first thought was Harry Potter. 8 movies (over 5),one vision (because it’s based on a book series),same core cast of characters,not rebooted,I’d have to imagine it made more money every release.
They said no one is excited to see a dinosaur anymore because they didn't have infinite quarterly increase and that was missed. You can't have infinite increase in profits. Every movie just goes to show you that greed was the true enemy.
The size of the raptors is based on the deinonychus, but Michael Chariton thought that the name velociraptor sounded cooler.
I mean...it's the same island. The guy could have said he got it from the ruins of the old gift shop. Maybe he found it hiking in the jungle, or he knew about it because he works there. No need for ebay. Or add something about the secret getting revealed after a T-Rex escaped in Santa Monica.
I thought the "Velociraptors" in the movies were Utahraptors or something and like they just wanted something cool looking for the velociraptors because they realized they were tiny things.
Unintentionally, yes.
I remember reading a kids magazine article that said they had uncovered a large skeleton of a raptor in Utah and that it was 'like' the ones in the coming to theaters movie Jurassic Park. Which I thought was neat
The raptor's in the movie are Deinonychus. Utahraptor's are actually quite large compared to the movie raptors, they're like 20 foot long.
Lex didn’t ‘out-hack’ nedry - she just found the startup file after the reset in that weird 3d interface designed purely for tension. The gymnastics was just silly
What makes nedry even MORE sympathetic is that the bidding to do jp was done blindly. nobody really knew what they were building except for the specifications. Nedry didn't know what they were building yet had to build a os program from scratch. Nedry is a private contractor who owns a small business he built the program for jp with his employees in the USA, and then when failures inevitably happened, his phone was ringing off the hook so he demanded that his team go on site to work Hammond said no because jp was top secret but agreed on letting nedry come. When he got there, he realized this was not what he bid for. Nedry's small business went into the negative working for Hammond, and he refused to renegotiate costs. This is why nedry said he was "incredibly underappreciated in this time." nedry was cheated by Hammond, and all Hammond said was abide by your contract saying that he "sympathized with nedry's financial problems. I do not blame people for their mistakes but I do ask that they fix them." Nedry and his business was the victims of jurassic park.
I can actually field 22:56. Spielberg was stuck on the name Velociraptor. The book was written back when Deinonychus was still classified as a species of Velociraptor ( _V. antirrhopus,_ it's in the front in the glossary). Deinonychus were substantially larger than _Velociraptor mongoliensis_ being more than twice as long and twice as tall.
Dr. Jack Horner (paleontologist on set) had actually brought both the reclassification of _Deinonychus antirrhopus_ into its own species *and* the then very recent discovery of the first Utahraptor fossils to Spielberg's attention. But Steven didn't think Deinonychus sounded scary enough and didn't want to change the name to anything that more closely matched the size of the raptors in the film thanks to just being stuck on "Velociraptor".
The history of Jurassic Park came out after the events in The Lost World Jurassic Park when the public became aware of the dinos. Remember that in the third film Grant was already exasperated by questions about Jurassic Park and Isla Sorna. Also, there were illegal tours to Site B taking place. I'm sure by the time in the films history that Jurassic World took place there was a lot of history and PR spin that happened in that universe to get people psyched up about Jurassic World and how it evolved the original Jurassic Park idea and was supported/endorsed by Hammond (a plot point that kind of reversed Hammonds character evolution in the second film).
The events of the original jurassic park might have been covered up but the little girl being attacked by mini dinos on the beach and the trex rampage in san diego wasn't.
I am VERY interested in watching you guys go over dinosaur films, especially if you include and differentiate documentaries from entertainment media. Dinosaurs are fantastic, but they get used as a gimmick for cheap productions so often it's hard to find the good ones.
That being said, you had better include Velocipastor.
Have you seen Gendy Tartakovsky's PRIMAL? No dialogue, caveman and dino buddy, fucking the world up. Dinosaurs are just kewl.
On the note of the T-shirt bit:
As much as it sucked, at the end of the third movie there was the whole bit about an international preserve effort for the islands, so there is continuity for broader awareness of the events. Additionally there was the whole premise of the Lost World setup that Malcolm had tried to out the events of the first movie and was legally wrecked.
And considering the San Diego incident in the last act of lost world, no doubt there would have been investigations and inquiries that exposed the events of the roriginal film to the public
While yes he got screwed over and deserved compensation.
The way he went about getting revenge and easy money was absolutely not justified.
I imagine that after a full grown T-Rex went rampaging through San Diego and later pterodactyls got away from the island the public would learn more about Jurassic Park. From there that might have been the drive for more funding to try and make it work hense the skewed perception of the first park. Not seen as a total disaster but more that it worked and sure problems happened and if we just did X better or different then we won't crash.
As Project Supervisor of the Jurassic Park Project, Nedry was first told to "design a module for record keeping". Nedry was never told everything, and was always working in the dark. He had become very annoyed with InGen; Hammond continually asked for things which hadn't been included in his original contract, and InGen demanded that they be done. When Nedry refused, lawsuits were threatened and letters were written to Nedry's other clients insinuating that he was unreliable. Nedry had no other choice but to return and carry out the extra work, without any extra money.
so ya.... dennis got screwed over worse than people think....
I remember reading the book for school about 30 years ago, just before the movie came out. I agree Hammond was 100% the 'bad guy' in the book, which was disappointing not to see when the movie came out. But I don't recall having a ton of sympathy for Nedry. I feel like he was still a prick and absolutely knew how many people he was putting in danger. But it has been forever since I read it.
Whoa, you had a teacher who assigned you the Jurassic Park novel? :o
(I agree, Nedry isn't portrayed sympathetically in the book. I guess Hammond's behaviour just overshadows him as antagonist?)
@@RaefonB it was on our summer reading list
@@hardybryan Very cool :)
@@RaefonBit’s that hammond caused it to happen, like a dominoes effect. Nedry wouldn’t have tried to sabotage the park if he had been compensated fairly and not slandered. Not to say that nedry is excused because of this, but it all boils down to hammond being a crook.
We need a 'Family' cinematic universe. Throw John wick and a few other franchises in and badda bing badd boom.
Name a movie series with a cohesive vision all the way through, no reboots, gets better and makes more money and keeps the same core group of actors...
Harry potter.
No it's in the book and the movie they used other DNA strands to fix the gaps in the Dinosaur DNA they had. The trick was that they made the Dino's look like what people thought Dino's should look like rather then what they actually looked like, you know feathers and shit. That's why the Dino's in the newest movie have feathers.
You can’t say people have been fascinated by dinosaurs for hundreds of years until 2024. The first dinosaur was discovered in 1824.
Correction: the first dinosaur that was recognized as a "dinosaur" by Western science was found in the 1800s, sure, but humans have been hunting for and even interpreting fossils of dinosaurs and other fossil creatures for hundreds and even thousands of years. Coolest example I know of: dinosaur trackways in Australia were thought to have been made by giant flightless birds (which in a roundabout way isn't too wrong) by the indigenous people tens of thousands of years ago.
You have no idea how much dopamine my brain would release if you all did a Fact Fiend Focus series on different dinosaurs. My inner five year old craves the big lizards.
25:30 Imagine trying to take tunnels you've cleared w/ Raptors. Literally replacing 1 problem w/ another.
It's fine, you can control them by holding your hand up at them xD
one moment that always stuck out to me in the first film was when. Dr grant is talking to, Hammond over the phone and the raptors attack. grant opens up on the raptors with a shot gun and it just cuts to Hammond hearing the gun shots over the phone and screaming "NO DON'T" as a kid i always thought that strange cause wouldn't he want them to survive but now hearing this it makes sense. there may of been a cut of the film were he is more of a con artist or might of been a artefact from an early version of script. or maybe a nod to how the character is in the book. someone that would rather protect his investment than human lives. also the, Meta knowledge mentioned would of been known to the character. pretty sure at the start of the 3rd film, Dr. Grant mentions during his presentation that he would not accept question about the events of the 1st film nor the second film as he wasn't in it. also if he's working for the same company and staff from the first island like, Dr Wu. rumours or NDA's would be distributed across the company.
That is weird because he is yelling "Grant!".
@@yadakakadu is he? i could've sworn he was yelling No. i will admit i could be wrong as its been many years since i've seen the film and could be miss remembering. will have to re-watch and check
John Hammond was originally written to be more of of an insufferable asshole like in the book, but Richard Attenborough was so likable they couldn't go through with it.
His version of Hammond is a lot like Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka now that I think about it. So charming and charismatic that even when the mask slips its hard not to like him.
@@ZombieBarioth yeah i was gonna touch on that. Richard Attenborough is just the archetype for the sweet old man that i think even if he did act like the, Hammond from the books we would still think he was a nice guy.
I'd love a Fact Fiend about nothing but Dinosaurs.
Small correction - Ingen attempted to cover up the events of the first park in the movies, but Malcolm broke an NDA to act as a whistleblower. That said, almost no one believed him. We’re told all of this at the start of the second film when he’s disgraced and discredited. Later, however, Ingen is openly preparing to open another related attraction in San Diego, and after the events surrounding the Rex’s rampage we go to them basically going public with it all as Hammond is deliberately and preemptively trying to sabotage further attempts to exploit Isla Sorna. At that point it’s probably safe to say that everything that happened on Isla Nublar is probably public knowledge as we see in Jurassic Park 3.
I remember seeing a Jurassic Park comic about the early years of the park that puts a fresh spin on this situation from the movies perspective. Haven't seen the comic in a while so I hope I'm remembering it right.
In the comic Dennis and his team were actually getting very well paid for the services they were providing, rather than being underpaid. In the comic Dennis is somewhat happy at first because its a sizable, repeat contract despite them being the lowest bidder. All he knew of the job was it was some sort of zoo, and he wondered why someone would pay such a large amount for a system just to run a zoo, all-be-it, a large zoo.
Then Dennis saw the dinosaurs, and realised the place was going to make an absolute fortune. After that he became bitter at his pay packet and started bugging Hammond for a pay-rise.
Not sure if the comic is cannon, but from that perspective it makes Dennis out to be a bit of a bell-end. He only became unhappy with his pay packet not because of the work needed, not because he felt he was being under sold, or under pressure, but because he saw the dinosaurs. It also means he might have been talking shit throughout the movie about his financial situation, which would also put an extra spin on why Hammond kept rolling his eyes at him whenever he went on about it. Also from that perspective several people had to die just because Dennis became genuinely greedy.
Personally, I do like the original vision of Dennis in the book where he really was being under paid and Hammond was a really big, cost cutting git.
But for the movie, I do like the idea Hammond was in fact generous with Dennis, but he became greedy and destroyed the whole park because of that greed.
But honestly, for the movie, either version works for me.
Great analysis. I've always hated the Hammond character because he was so criminally negligent, but I hadn't quite picked up on the cues that he was a deliberate conman the entire time. (In my defense, I was 12 when the first movie came out, so I wasn't really ready to notice subtlety yet.)
Also, unrelated, but even though I'm American, when I saw the word "pissed" in the thumbnail, I genuinely thought you meant Nedry had a reason to be drunk, because you guys are British and I know that to you, that's what the word means. It wasn't until you were talking about Nedry's legitimate grievances that I realized you meant it in the American sense of "upset".
As someone who lives in the UK, the word has both of those meanings here.
Spared no expense, except the IT budget like pretty much every company on the planet.
17:43 - He would have known about Jurassic Park. It's stated in the 2nd movie that Dr. Ian Malcolm broke an NDA and told people about it but InGen ruined his reputation and very few believed him until the events that took place later in that movie. Also in the 3rd one when Dr. Grant was doing that presentation and a bunch of people raised their hands to ask a question, the first thing he does to weed out the crowd is "Does anyone have a question that does not relate to Jurassic Park?" Clearly showing that by the time of the third movie it had become public knowledge.
IIRC Jacksons character was an amusement park engineer, who has previously worked at Disney park/world.
Amongst a lot of annoyances I have with the Jurassic World trilogy they forgot the chief thing about the original. It was a horror movie wrapped in Steven Spielberg's 'family friendly' cape. Nothing more scary than something we can create but not control. Instead they went for a more popcorn action, which is fine it worked for Aliens (but really just Aliens), and kind of left everything else that was great about the OG movie in the dust in a vain 'nostalgic ride' which in no sense of irony to make bigger bucks.
Fun fact, Mosasaurs are not dinosaurs, they evolved from a separate line of reptiles, and their closest living relatives are Snakes and Monitor Lizards. There's hypothesises that they might have been venomous like their relatives too.
1:29 also talked about this in a few other vids
To be fair, many companies really do go after the "spared no expense" idea in some projects, only to vastly underpay in their IT resources, which end up crippling their project. (I know this because I've been involved in at least 6 of those, being the one picking up the pieces after the fact..) Most business management types have NO understanding of how vital their IT department is. The John Hammond character reflects that.
One of the major behind the scenes ideas in Crichton's novels were about some great thing someone was trying to do, and they mess it up entirely by ignoring on something they thought was unimportant that ended up being very important. In Jurassic Park, it was the IT department. In The Terminal Man, it was the aspect of addiction. In Sphere, it was the imagination. In Andromeda Strain, it was that an infectious mechanism could infect something other than life. He had a talent of bringing something important from out of left field.
9:35 Richard Hammond 💀💀💀
*Tonight on Jurassic Gear*
@@joshcorbett9674 Triceratops Gear ?
@@joshcorbett9674 Tonight on Jurassic Gear, Richard crashes into a triceratops, James eats a dino egg, and I get chased by a T-Rex
The evil bong series has 8 movies
Love the theories and im now seeing John Hammond in a new light. 😮
It was the moment hammond shouted "DONT" that i knew he was the real villan. He cared more about those monsters he funded than the wellbeing of his own family which is also hinted at when his own grandkids arnt cozying up to him on the chopper they were with the people who protected them.
The scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.
I had take a class on security and a part of it was on signs that someone's about to go rogue or has gone rogue. dennis nedry was showing all the signs of going rogue until he did at the middle of the movie.
Don't know about the movie, but the books describe a lengthy and public court battle about who's responsible for the events at Jurassic Park. So he could be fanboying over what was exposed in that court case.
10:00 ... exactly like Walt Disney ... I am no Disney historian ... but as far as I can tell his 'Genius' was drawing a Rabbit, then changing it to a mouse, and "Let's make a Amusement park, but you know.... clean"
In terms of business risk management having Nedry as a single catastrophic failure point should be something quickly recognized as an unacceptable risk.
"Are dinosaurs bulletproof?"
According to the great emu war
Yes