I was stuck on this mission for like weeks looool until I trained my bow and spear guys while I fever defended with my hero tatepon slowly pecking at his life in the whole series he was the hardest boss for me I killed the patapon 3 boss in like 3 seconds I wish patapon would make another game I loved this series.
I think the worse bit for me is being unable to log into the psp, having to start from scratch and not being able to best ground zero, beating it after a long time, doesn't save and then having to do it again but not knowing wtf I did the first time to win it, because he just one shots my patapons
Wow! I discovered from this very video that I can change patapon type like I change equipment!!! I can not stop to admire of how good the Patapon 2 game is thought out. In the first Patapon game I got the strongest patapon unit with highest damage and passed through the game without any strane. I even had no need to try another patapon classes.Patapon 2 forces me to change tactics every battle
@Peacefulcrystalmoon First of all, if you're missing any songs, you need to fight bosses.. Second, when he has taken an amount of damage, he'll stand back for a while giving you the opportunity to strike the muschroom. Third, I have 3 links for the evolution maps in my channel description. See the maps so you know where to get the other classes.
@eNITH24a Parageto is best for masks and elemental weps. All the other equip I've gotten are from bosses. But it's easier said than done, since it's random what you get from bosses.
@opposedbus Thanks and Robopon is as Dekapon; he attacks the same way but with more strenght. However, if Kuwagatten manages to land a hit on your Robopon will probably not survive (unless it got high stamina).
@Nezgroul Shows how many songs you've drummed perfect. Takes two in a row or just three to activate Hero Mode. But it's only available on hard difficulty.
@themarsmallow Simple: Go hunt for materials for upgrading/evolving your Patapons. Equip is gotten from bosses and elemental equip is gotten from Karmen eggs in Parageto
@Tigrexable 1) How can I answer you on dodging his attacks? Even though, try attacking 3 times and then dodging about 4 times. However, you need to play this stage a few times so you can time the songs. 2) Pon Pon Chaka Chaka is gotten from Manboroth...
THXXXXX VERY MUCHHH!! i was stuck at this level with noob weps but i followed your tatics and it worked! you can actually let your hero dekapon kick his ass while the others run away and the beetleton will stay there! super effective! =D
@nicolbolas212 Fraps and Remotejoy Lite. I've repeated it so much that I'm not going to tell 'ya more about it. For information about the two programs, google it.
@TheMafiaHernandez As Yakkosprite says, all masks are gotten from Parageto and elemental equip from Karmen eggs. Strong equip can be gotten from the blacksmith minigame (I prefer lvl. 2) and from bosses (be patient). The rare Patapons are the 3 last Patapons in the map and needs a lot of materials to unlock. Hunt and fight bosses for materials.
@pedrofredo If you want those classes.. The Mahopon memory is hidden in the Yumipon map The Toripon memory is hidden in the Yumipon map, too. Links for them in my channel description. But you can win this stage without those classes. Like I did :) Keep dodging his attacks OR make the difficulty on easy and spam Tatepon Hero Mode.
@xenodude217 Bring pons that are resistent to fire and sleep or pons that have alot of health. like Buhyonku, Nyontama etc. also bring yumipons, dekapons and yaripons. for hero, use either kibapon or dekapon
@Resedentevil415 Evolve & upgrade your army, there's not really much else to say :) Also dodge his attacks, else it'll be too hard, or use Tatepon Hero on easy difficulty.
@MultiZelda1234 Get them from bosses, but random when you get equip. Takes patience. Also the equip I got are very good (strong too) even on this video. If you mean they don't look strong on this video, then I've already explained that Beetletan has a high defense.
@xXHateXxRevolation Fight bosses, but it's random what you get so be patient. Also one ultimate rarepon.. you need to have your WHOLE army strong and ready. Doesn't help to only have one.
@xxvii21 Hunt at Bryun Snowfield until you see a different, fluffy monster. It will drop a map which opens the way for the Dogaeen boss which guards it.
@larstristan98 you have to evolve Sabara from the yaripon (the Spear Dudes) get the metal it needs from the 1st boss . ps- as the whether changes so does the dragon. :) hope that helps
@Zendrioh This vid is supposed to show ya one of the ways to complete :P Just dodge his attacks and then attack when he's standby. Remember a strong army, else it's pointless..
@crzydude412 Well all I can tell you is they are front-row Patapons and can shake the ground with a charged attack (Pon Pon Chaka Chaka ---> Pon Pon Pata Pon). Their stamina compensate for their defence. If there's some more you need an answer on then reply back :)
@LinkKhanZ Fight bosses and go hunting for materials to evolve and upgrade your army. Equip is from bosses (elemental are gotten from Parageto) but be patient.
Mahopons are wizard and Toripon are the patapons on birds. Megapon.. All from the evolution map, at the tree of life. Got 3 links for the maps in my channel description.
Go to equip screen, your hero and press square to change. If you don't have unlocked the type of patapon you want, and got at least one patapon of the type, you can't change
I really need to finish that tutorial.. this question keeps coming up! Anyway, lol.. Only available in hard, shows how many times you performed a perfect set(all 4 beats correctly drummed). Doing 2 times in a row, activates hero mode, if not in a row, then 3 times.
@Batgirl31390 Of course the stages are hard, unless your army is strong. Get materials, upgrade and evolve your army into stronger Patapons, that can deal with the Karmens, bosses and stuff =D
@iceblaster9000 Yea, your supposed to defeat the mushroom first, and Kuwagatten will remain defenceless. So when defeating Kuwagatten, there's no need for the mushroom to stay anymore.
That stage also takes a forever, try using Toripon hero or Dekapon as i do. Damage him as much as possible, don't have ranged hero types, Yaripon(weak damage) Yumipon and so.
@LinkKhanZ Could someone tell me how to get the catapult or the icon that means that, an please how I unblock all the missions, because there are some parts of the map that I can't access please someone answer me
Why is it that when I try to run away from Kuwagatan's attacks, he doesn't attack when I run away, but as soon as my army comes back in between the pon-pata songs, he hits them and they die? This guy has been killing me all day...
@InfamousMike1 Shows how many songs you've drummed perfectly. Takes two in a row or just three to activate Hero Mode. However, it's only available on hard difficulty. In other words, to make the game more challenging for experienced players.
@nazarpekhotin run away juju? do you mean the command if that you can get it by this part i have it but yah everthing else he hacked and im stuck on this part D:
@iceblaster9000 do u know where to find ancient stuff like spear,sword,sheild,bow and most importantly ancient helm.why am I telling u this because i want to try restoring legendary heroes like Pan n Don but I will also need lvl 10 normal pon
@skillet123890 try going to levels that u passed like 'through the wall of ice' level theres some ice weapons there. and try using the charge song(pon pon chaka chaka) if you hav it its effective with dekapons and robopons against this boss
Tried Toripon Hero or a hero with a high stamina(hp)? The mask i'm using, increases the stamina, recommended in this stage. Also use Tatepons. Dogde the charges from Beetletan.. Most of all: Have a strong army prepared! Hope that helps.
@wawan2341 You mean the dragon Patapon when you say blue rarepon, right? If so, then it's because Gyaba is the last one in the evolution map. Toripon is in the Yaripon evolution map. Link in my channel description.
Man, I not able to spam hero mode as you do. Im having trouble when the musshorrom start to retreat. The minions dont let me get close enough 3 turns, before I have to run away the 3 digits Dekademon. I spent like 10 minutes until I noticed I would never finishd the stage. Any tips?
i have the new patapon but i was confused on how the patapon were turnd to stone so im trying to beat this one but i cant pass this guy and please where do you get mystery meat from the easy way cause i can face a manboroth 10 times just to get 1 mystery meat.....is there an easier way?
one question, why did you equip only 4 tatepons and 4 yaripons? shouldnt have all 6 of each be significantly better? by the way, nice equip!! i'm stuck on this mission :'(
Okay so I understand that it's 2017 but I found my old PSP Go and I don't have like any hero shit, just one spear hero with 2 masks how tf did this guy get like 20
what's the hammer ur dekapon's using? im stuck again... on the mission called Battle for Hope. i lost and it said i lost the catapult... even though i dunno what they're talking about. what do i do T_T
Yup :D After you got your hero, Meden will show you Parageto. If you just click on it you will get 4 options right? 1 is alone, others are online, no ínternet are needed, just have the WLAN switch turned on.
jone714: what is ur strategy for upgrading your patapons? Do you evolve asap or rank up the normal patapon? My startgame strat was to recruit full numbers asap, then evolve them to the rarepons. However i'm feeling now that lvl 10 patapons are quite strong since they can wear helms. Tough to get them to lvl 10 patapons tho.
i got a question..its like squareheaddude one, how did u get all that armor, and weaps and stuff on that mission, do u have to spend have the time in that patagate thingy?
man i can't do At Ground Zero what squad do u recommend i mean this purple devil pon ( the enemy ) 1 hit me and like 4 patapons of mine are dead already.
@nazarpekhotin Hacks? Run away song?? Juju??? After I've completed the Dettankarmen boss vid, I'm seriously going to get working with the new tutorial.. 1. The "run away" song, called dodge, is gotten from the boss Dogaeen. 2. The equip is gotten by farming a lot from bosses and Parageto. 3. If you want more classes unlocked, I got 3 links for the maps in my channel desc. That way you can see how to unlock them =D 4. Evolve and upgrade yor army, so it'll become easy. No offense though =)
Hey I've played this before for about 30 MINUTES. I left with only my yaripon hero an Just a few Yumipons And two weak,low health but well equiped tatepons!Oh... and a lv. 1 rarepon yaripon. Super hard as I need to know what kind of rhythm and its pattern of attack.
where did you get the pon pata pon pata? thats what ive been looking for, i still cant finish the second marboth so i still havent got the pon pon chaka chaka thx
ugh jone i need ur help...i know there i has been a lot of missions but when i beated the game, there is only few regular stages and mostly boss stages, how do i get all the other stages back?
This mission was my worst nightmare
Yaaaas i feel you
This mission is my worst nightmare
Mood
After this comment (and this freaking comment is 8 years old and as a teen who like this game),
*I feel your pain sub comment section*
@@paulsabe2922 Man I was 12 when I made this comment, glad to see people still play this game.
I was stuck on this mission for like weeks looool until I trained my bow and spear guys while I fever defended with my hero tatepon slowly pecking at his life in the whole series he was the hardest boss for me I killed the patapon 3 boss in like 3 seconds I wish patapon would make another game I loved this series.
Easy,use tatepon hero and stay on hero mode
They are making another game!
I don't know what's worse about this mission: the fact that it takes forever or all the loot that stays out of reach...
the potion the enemies drop are too far away rEEEE
I think the worse bit for me is being unable to log into the psp, having to start from scratch and not being able to best ground zero, beating it after a long time, doesn't save and then having to do it again but not knowing wtf I did the first time to win it, because he just one shots my patapons
Wow! I discovered from this very video that I can change patapon type like I change equipment!!! I can not stop to admire of how good the Patapon 2 game is thought out. In the first Patapon game I got the strongest patapon unit with highest damage and passed through the game without any strane. I even had no need to try another patapon classes.Patapon 2 forces me to change tactics every battle
Wow I didn't know that
This is far the hardest mission you are ever going to do if your'e army is weak,aside from meden being captured.That was easy.
@Peacefulcrystalmoon First of all, if you're missing any songs, you need to fight bosses..
Second, when he has taken an amount of damage, he'll stand back for a while giving you the opportunity to strike the muschroom.
Third, I have 3 links for the evolution maps in my channel description. See the maps so you know where to get the other classes.
@eNITH24a Parageto is best for masks and elemental weps. All the other equip I've gotten are from bosses. But it's easier said than done, since it's random what you get from bosses.
@smasherb216 Charge song is gotten from Manboroth, the upgraded version of Manboth.
Dodge song is gotten from Dogaeen.
@opposedbus Thanks and Robopon is as Dekapon; he attacks the same way but with more strenght. However, if Kuwagatten manages to land a hit on your Robopon will probably not survive (unless it got high stamina).
2010/2009 was a weird time
@McReSpawn008 Parageto is where you can fight stages, get masks and elemental weps. Watch a Parageto video to learn more.
@Nezgroul Shows how many songs you've drummed perfect. Takes two in a row or just three to activate Hero Mode. But it's only available on hard difficulty.
@zaill981 Fangs from Centura and Darantula.
Meat from the mammoth bosses.
@larstristan98 Toripon is located in the Yaripon map. You can find a link for the map in my channel description.
@themarsmallow Simple: Go hunt for materials for upgrading/evolving your Patapons. Equip is gotten from bosses and elemental equip is gotten from Karmen eggs in Parageto
@LinkKhanZ Yeah, all stone material is gotten from the dragon bosses.
@Tigrexable 1) How can I answer you on dodging his attacks? Even though, try attacking 3 times and then dodging about 4 times. However, you need to play this stage a few times so you can time the songs.
2) Pon Pon Chaka Chaka is gotten from Manboroth...
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THXXXXX VERY MUCHHH!! i was stuck at this level with noob weps but i followed your tatics and it worked! you can actually let your hero dekapon kick his ass while the others run away and the beetleton will stay there! super effective! =D
@Kakashiser With Fraps, the full version. And RemotejoyLite for showing the screen of the PSP with a usb cable.
DUDE DEFEND WITH YOUR TATEPONS
and attack when he says come at me!
(so late)
You think you're late?
Better late than never
Fernystein where do I sign up for the late club
@@kingBaluga hey you can sign here
I'm late too
@ZeCrazed44 Go to the formation screen, go to your hero and press square.
@nicolbolas212 Fraps and Remotejoy Lite. I've repeated it so much that I'm not going to tell 'ya more about it. For information about the two programs, google it.
@TheMafiaHernandez As Yakkosprite says, all masks are gotten from Parageto and elemental equip from Karmen eggs. Strong equip can be gotten from the blacksmith minigame (I prefer lvl. 2) and from bosses (be patient).
The rare Patapons are the 3 last Patapons in the map and needs a lot of materials to unlock. Hunt and fight bosses for materials.
@LinkKhanZ When it's snowing in the Donga Ruins (I think it was called that), however, it's rare.
@pedrofredo If you want those classes..
The Mahopon memory is hidden in the Yumipon map
The Toripon memory is hidden in the Yumipon map, too. Links for them in my channel description.
But you can win this stage without those classes. Like I did :)
Keep dodging his attacks OR make the difficulty on easy and spam Tatepon Hero Mode.
@xenodude217
Bring pons that are resistent to fire and sleep or pons that have alot of health. like Buhyonku, Nyontama etc. also bring yumipons, dekapons and yaripons. for hero, use either kibapon or dekapon
@Resedentevil415 Evolve & upgrade your army, there's not really much else to say :)
Also dodge his attacks, else it'll be too hard, or use Tatepon Hero on easy difficulty.
@DarhzAngel As VagrantWatcher213 said :) Fangs are gotten from the spider bosses.
@sweettooth626 There's no specific boss you need to fight; it's random what you get.
@brent592 or you can just put the hero as a tatepon and then put dekapons and tatapons and maybemegapons or kibopons but thats what i think will work.
@MultiZelda1234 Get them from bosses, but random when you get equip. Takes patience. Also the equip I got are very good (strong too) even on this video. If you mean they don't look strong on this video, then I've already explained that Beetletan has a high defense.
@xXHateXxRevolation Fight bosses, but it's random what you get so be patient. Also one ultimate rarepon.. you need to have your WHOLE army strong and ready. Doesn't help to only have one.
@xxvii21 Hunt at Bryun Snowfield until you see a different, fluffy monster. It will drop a map which opens the way for the Dogaeen boss which guards it.
@larstristan98 you have to evolve Sabara from the yaripon (the Spear Dudes) get the metal it needs from the 1st boss . ps- as the whether changes so does the dragon. :) hope that helps
@protestifications All stone material are gotten from the dragon bosses.
@inFamousHero123 Gotten from bosses, but it's random what you get.
@Zendrioh This vid is supposed to show ya one of the ways to complete :P
Just dodge his attacks and then attack when he's standby. Remember a strong army, else it's pointless..
@chidori1nagashi I think it was from the first bird boss.
@crzydude412 Well all I can tell you is they are front-row Patapons and can shake the ground with a charged attack (Pon Pon Chaka Chaka ---> Pon Pon Pata Pon). Their stamina compensate for their defence. If there's some more you need an answer on then reply back :)
@DanishnSonic Your right about that there is cheats, but you can't get the scythe in Patapon 2. You can, however, in Patapon 1.
@LinkKhanZ Fight bosses and go hunting for materials to evolve and upgrade your army. Equip is from bosses (elemental are gotten from Parageto) but be patient.
@lolyboy97 Yaripon map, top-right corner, and np =D
i remember this mission it was hard asf to me good old days i miss them ☺️
u should've used the shield guy he protects but it still took me 17 min to pass it with it
Shield hero
blue diamond dude it first great weapon got it in this game I use it to end game
Abode_ Owian yah mate, they really steped it up from the last time.
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Mahopons are wizard and Toripon are the patapons on birds. Megapon.. All from the evolution map, at the tree of life. Got 3 links for the maps in my channel description.
@RoboWhitecat Fight bosses but it's random what you get. Takes patience.
@Squareheaddude Fighting bosses and going to Parageto for the masks. Remember it's random what you get from bosses.
@jone714 I forgot. How do you get the seeds for a majopon. I have unlocked all of the memories.
@EvilNaruto9Tails It's random what you get, but stronger bosses have higher chances of giving equip.
Go to equip screen, your hero and press square to change. If you don't have unlocked the type of patapon you want, and got at least one patapon of the type, you can't change
@TheWrekker You march to close to him so your Patapons doesn't have enough space to dodge.
I really need to finish that tutorial.. this question keeps coming up!
Anyway, lol.. Only available in hard, shows how many times you performed a perfect set(all 4 beats correctly drummed). Doing 2 times in a row, activates hero mode, if not in a row, then 3 times.
@Batgirl31390 Of course the stages are hard, unless your army is strong. Get materials, upgrade and evolve your army into stronger Patapons, that can deal with the Karmens, bosses and stuff =D
@iceblaster9000 Yea, your supposed to defeat the mushroom first, and Kuwagatten will remain defenceless. So when defeating Kuwagatten, there's no need for the mushroom to stay anymore.
@HermanAnimation There's a Darantula egg that gives the mask of speed. That's the first mask you ever wore.
That stage also takes a forever, try using Toripon hero or Dekapon as i do. Damage him as much as possible, don't have ranged hero types, Yaripon(weak damage) Yumipon and so.
@LinkKhanZ Could someone tell me how to get the catapult or the icon that means that, an please how I unblock all the missions, because there are some parts of the map that I can't access please someone answer me
Why is it that when I try to run away from Kuwagatan's attacks, he doesn't attack when I run away, but as soon as my army comes back in between the pon-pata songs, he hits them and they die? This guy has been killing me all day...
@InfamousMike1 Shows how many songs you've drummed perfectly. Takes two in a row or just three to activate Hero Mode. However, it's only available on hard difficulty. In other words, to make the game more challenging for experienced players.
All weps (special) are gotten from bosses, but randomly.
@nazarpekhotin run away juju? do you mean the command if that you can get it by this part i have it but yah everthing else he hacked and im stuck on this part D:
@iceblaster9000 do u know where to find ancient stuff like spear,sword,sheild,bow and most importantly ancient helm.why am I telling u this because i want to try restoring legendary heroes like Pan n Don but I will also need lvl 10 normal pon
@PrinceofMongolia Evolve & upgrade your army so that it gets easier.
@jone714 What do you do if you don't have the retreat song. Where and when do you get it?
@skillet123890 try going to levels that u passed like 'through the wall of ice' level theres some ice weapons there. and try using the charge song(pon pon chaka chaka) if you hav it its effective with dekapons and robopons against this boss
Tried Toripon Hero or a hero with a high stamina(hp)? The mask i'm using, increases the stamina, recommended in this stage. Also use Tatepons.
Dogde the charges from Beetletan..
Most of all: Have a strong army prepared!
Hope that helps.
@alifuturemessi Minigames? In the channel desc. :)
where can i get the charge chant and the run away chant. pLz... help! im stuck on this area.. huhu!
@wawan2341 You mean the dragon Patapon when you say blue rarepon, right? If so, then it's because Gyaba is the last one in the evolution map.
Toripon is in the Yaripon evolution map. Link in my channel description.
@coolboy635
dude did u even get the pon pata pon pata song??!
@HermanAnimation Fast Patapon is Fumya,but upgraded?I did it,maxed the hell out of that patapon,my best is 0.36,still good :)
is there any vids on the Don Chaka at the end of each Parageto Egg fight?
@Vanadise666 You just need to fight bosses, hunt and your army will improve. Equips are randomly gotten from bosses and also rare.
@jone714 What IF you killed Gong during the miracle dance training
Man, I not able to spam hero mode as you do. Im having trouble when the musshorrom start to retreat. The minions dont let me get close enough 3 turns, before I have to run away the 3 digits Dekademon. I spent like 10 minutes until I noticed I would never finishd the stage. Any tips?
i have the new patapon but i was confused on how the patapon were turnd to stone so im trying to beat this one but i cant pass this guy and please where do you get mystery meat from the easy way cause i can face a manboroth 10 times just to get 1 mystery meat.....is there an easier way?
why is ur save green? mines blue plus any hints on how and where to pump up my patapon thx
and more thing how do i get kasu seed? i can make makophons i got the Familiar liquid but need kasu seed how do i get it?
@insanemurder312 Why not get Patapon 2? Or even Patapon 1? That way you'll learn the story and understand the game better.
although this doesn't go with the subject but how do we get new shubas?
but i dont have the mission where you fight the dogaeen.. after fortress at eijiji cliff its blank :(( how do i unlock this stage?
@likelihood96 Yup, but your Dekapon should have either good defence power or a high stamina :)
@jone714 where can i get pon pata song?
That's right, but even if Hero mode fails, Toripon will still be in the air. I didn't choose him, because the damage was VERY little.
@FORBZtheTHIRD Gotten from bosses and thanks =) Sorry for double post :l
one question, why did you equip only 4 tatepons and 4 yaripons? shouldnt have all 6 of each be significantly better?
by the way, nice equip!! i'm stuck on this mission :'(
Okay so I understand that it's 2017 but I found my old PSP Go and I don't have like any hero shit, just one spear hero with 2 masks how tf did this guy get like 20
if ur talking about masks, play the patagate levels, if the hero thing, press square when you select the hero
Patagate
what's the hammer ur dekapon's using? im stuck again... on the mission called Battle for Hope. i lost and it said i lost the catapult... even though i dunno what they're talking about. what do i do T_T
@jone714 Where'd you get the Ancient Hammer?
Yup :D After you got your hero, Meden will show you Parageto. If you just click on it you will get 4 options right? 1 is alone, others are online, no ínternet are needed, just have the WLAN switch turned on.
jone714: what is ur strategy for upgrading your patapons? Do you evolve asap or rank up the normal patapon?
My startgame strat was to recruit full numbers asap, then evolve them to the rarepons. However i'm feeling now that lvl 10 patapons are quite strong since they can wear helms. Tough to get them to lvl 10 patapons tho.
@AznBboyrice do you now how to get the birds
i got a question..its like squareheaddude one, how did u get all that armor, and weaps and stuff on that mission, do u have to spend have the time in that patagate thingy?
man i can't do At Ground Zero what squad do u recommend i mean this purple devil pon ( the enemy ) 1 hit me and like 4 patapons of mine are dead already.
Then farm materials, evolve and upgrade your army! There's nothing else to do, 'cos the last boss is really hard :)
@nazarpekhotin Hacks? Run away song?? Juju??? After I've completed the Dettankarmen boss vid, I'm seriously going to get working with the new tutorial..
1. The "run away" song, called dodge, is gotten from the boss Dogaeen.
2. The equip is gotten by farming a lot from bosses and Parageto.
3. If you want more classes unlocked, I got 3 links for the maps in my channel desc. That way you can see how to unlock them =D
4. Evolve and upgrade yor army, so it'll become easy.
No offense though =)
Hey I've played this before for about 30 MINUTES.
I left with only my yaripon hero an Just a few Yumipons And two weak,low health
but well equiped tatepons!Oh... and a lv. 1 rarepon yaripon.
Super hard as I need to know what kind of rhythm and its pattern of attack.
btw whats that white thing under the fever sign in 4:00 - 4:20 ?
where did you get the pon pata pon pata? thats what ive been looking for, i still cant finish the second marboth so i still havent got the pon pon chaka chaka thx
ugh jone i need ur help...i know there i has been a lot of missions but when i beated the game, there is only few regular stages and mostly boss stages, how do i get all the other stages back?