Dual Slot 1 CPU System Transplant and Full Restoration!!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.พ. 2024
- Let's feature two systems from our Dual Slot 1 CPU E-waste video and give one of them the love it deserves! In this video we will completely teardown a Dual Slot 1 CPU based system, tear down another system, do a full restoration of all parts and complete a full retro system build! YES!!! This video is jam packed with Retro action! Let's go!
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I had a gigabyte dual slot 1 motherboard with a single p3-500 cpu, I managed to find another that worked with it. It was one of my favourite systems ever, paired up with a voodoo 3500 agp card. It also had a Hercules game surround fortissimo 2 sound card. I swapped out and changed/upgraded frequently back in early 2000s so all the amazing hardware is long gone but not forgotten
Sad it's gone for sure. This tech is so fun to tweak, remember and enjoy.
I've got the dual slot 1 bug now... thanks. 😆
I always get a kick out of seeing a variant of the Enlight EN-7237 case used by others. I used one for my Athlon XP system back in 2003 and just retired the case from primary service five years ago after several upgrade cycles.
Hahahah go build a dual slot 1 pc - you're welcome :)
Great call on the case transplant, that makes perfect sense. And it sure does look tidy, too. I think that many of us are spoiled by modern operating systems; as you demonstrated, there was a time when you had to manually configure things (like multiple CPU's), and manually install drivers too. It's no surprise to us, but the younger crowd might be confused by that. Thanks for the video, that was fun to watch
Absolutely and you are more than welcome!! Glad you enjoyed :)
Windows NT3.x/ 4 you get the option about the multi processor setup. if you were to install NT4 on anything newer than a P3, you have to select custom. As it just blue screens on you. But the funny thing is, NT 3.51 and NT4 sees this board as Multi processor system, and there is no errors in the event viewer. So i really think its a windows 2000 /XP bug, as windows 2003 server also throws up the exact error, on the later motherboard, as i have the later 370 version. I did read it was BIOS but i always suspected it was windows issue. Due to NT 3.51 and NT4 server. Not throwing up the errors at all.
Quite nice. I had a hand-me-down old server that i decommissioned and upgraded to a (then) newer A64 x2. Was a dual P2-450 with a MONSTROUS Intel mobo housed in an equally monstrous Chieftec Dragon case. The good old days :D
p.s. You might wanna give an nLite'ed Win XP Pro installation a try. While i did stuck with W2K until XP SP3 because of stability, XP SP3 put it on par regarding "desktop stability", and it can be tweaked a lot more to push out less than necessary stuff (services et all) and recoup some performance here and there.
Thanks for the suggestion! I assume it will work well with the Dual CPU / P2 -350's?
@@TheRetroRecall No reason why it shouldn't. XP was just a more streamlined W2K, same way as W2K was a bit less pedantic NT4. Main reason i used nLite even in my day to day systems was that it really brought down the resource use (services you don't care like fax and system restore, aka volume shadow copy, localizations you don't need, etc), allowed many tweaks "from install time" and made the instalation CD's about 1/2 size so, plenty of room for tools like Winrar etc.
But, as with all things, doesn't hurt to image the drive before you start mucking about :D And use VMWare/VirtualBox to try nLite until you are confident enough to start burning CD's. Make that CDRW, mistakes WILL be made ;)
Sounds good!!! I'll take a look, thank You!
Man this brings back memories of when I had an Abit BP6 motherboard with dual Celeron cpus. Wish I still had it around to fool around with.
It definitely gave you lots of exploration options. I remember the a bit board, it was a nice piece of tech!
@@TheRetroRecall I browsed eBay to see what they're selling for these days....$300+, pretty sure I sold mine around 15 years ago for like $50 🙃
Yeah, I've done that before... Quick sale at the time VS their value today. Either way, I'm keeping this old tech, restoring it to preserve it and someday may donate it all to a tech museum, or collector that will keep the tradition going!
you are safe to go with the beta bios... asus used to do this back then.. if the beta was good with no problems, they just didnt care to put the 'final' version bios... there are alot of old boards with the final bios being a beta...
Ok this is great info! I have always been cautious of that. Thank you!
Had a P2B-DS myself, Started with dual P II 350MHz and 512MB, then dual P III 450 before
finally getting dual 1GHz and 1GB ram. THere was no temperature control for the MB on the P II, first with the P III CPUs. Loved the system! Ran Windows NT4 to start with and then Windows 2000, before it bacame a LINUX server. Wish I still had it ^^;
That's awesome! I assume yours had the SCSI headers and chipset soldered?
I had the Dual slot one board too, with the on board scsi, i bumped the ram up to 4 gig. Ran sweet as a nut, until the Antec PSU i was running, decided to kill it! I was running that same model of PSU in my daily at the time, and my daily was starting to have trouble. So i quickly switched to Corsair, and updated my Dual processor system to the 370 version, dropped a modular 1000 watt corsair in it. Runs like clock work now, the dual Processor board is actually sitting in a very large full size Lian Silver Tower. weighs a ton! Worse now, that i fully loaded it with HDDs! Runs windows server, as it was built for me to play with the server side years ago.
@@TheRetroRecall The DS has the SCSI hardware on board indeed.
I still have one in storage, with 2 pII cpus.
Nice!! Time to dig it out hahah!
That’s a nice board, I had the one with the Small Cash Sucking Interface built in.
Hahahaha... Good ol. SCSI
This got me lol
Haha!
LOL, I had a computer just like the second one you pointed out, with the white and blue sticker. A nearby college was going to throw it away since they were upgrading to newer models. Wow, the memories of me testing so many cards and dual booting Red Hat and Windows 2000 Pro on it! Thanks for bringing back these memories, dude!
Great memories indeed, glad you enjoyed! That's what this channel is all about :)
@@TheRetroRecall I miss those Frankenstein days, bro.
@@TheRetroRecall Even had an AGP slot, memories.....
I just absolutely love the professional care that you give to these old systems. Windows professional 2000 came out 24 years ago exactly! I have my Mcsa in Win2000 heh
Thanks and holy!! 24.... You never think about that until you think about that haha!
@@TheRetroRecall Feb 17 2000!
Scary
I had a Dell tower that my office was Decommissioning around 2k3 when I got my first IT Job in Na$ville.
I was able to find Matching 5??mhz P3's and 7?? meg of Ram: Running SuSe 9 or 10.
Killer Quake 3 Arena System: I had the Linux Limited Edition Tin Case...Ha 😞
Nice!
Thanks for the video, another good retro system :)
You are welcome, glad you enjoyed!
Amazing retro build.
Thanks!
Good Job, what a bueatiful retro machine.
Thank you and I completely agree!!
This does my heart good considering I'm currently fighting with a Slot 1 system myself, but it's going to be slightly restomodded - which brings its own sorts of issues. Slot 1s are so weird and wonderful.
Yes! Also, make sure you use contact cleaner, it makes a world of difference for these cards and CPUs to get working the first time. Good luck!
Always a good practice! Adds life to the MBs and other components as dust creates a Thermal barrier.
I haven't messed with a machine like this since I was in trade school in 2004-2005. My daily driver was a Dell Dimension 2400 lol great video!
Haha thank you!! Glad you enjoyed!
A method I been using a lot in the past to get better cable management and airflow is that I used to split the IDE cables in about 1cm strips and then tie them together to get a sort of round cable instead. it also made it easier if to fit the connectors if the orientation of the drives forced you to flip the cable. I always find ATi gives a lot of driver related issues for almost everything you do, at least a lot more than if it been Nvidia based anyway. last night I was actually gaming Starcraft for hours on my P4 system, I always have my 486, P133, PIII 550mhz, AMD Athlon XP3000+, P4 3,04Ghz and a few other computers ready for action at all times for when I get those Retro cravings
That's actually a great suggestion!!! Thank you! Yeah 3 hours later I gave up on the install and switched cards... Which ended up being a better card. Love your retro setups!
I really enjoy your projects
Thank you!!
I used to have a dual 400 board. it was supposed to support P3 800s but i couldn not get them working in their slotket adapter so i kept them with their 400s and put the 800s in 2 different systems. back in the late 90's having 2 CPUs was amazing for general computing tasks. it handled a lot of services for me.
Agreed. I never had experienced anything to do with Slockets yet... I should try some and see what I can get working. This is the fun (and frustrating part) of this old tech that kept it exciting!
I'm very familiar with this mobo. That last "beta" BIOS *IS* the one you want. It has a lot of updates and hardware support fixes that none of the earlier BIOSes had. I suspect it was never "made official" because these 440BX mobo's were already pretty long in the tooth at the time of that final BIOS release, so it was kinda like Asus throwing us a bone in terms of giving us these fixes for an old outdated platform but at the same time they're not willing to spend the time and effort to put it through validation cuz it's not something they're making money on.
Perfect, thank you! I will definitely be updating it!
Nice build, i also use a Radeon 9250 256MB card on my P3 700MHZ Slot 1 Windows 98SE system, as well a Sound Blaster 16 CT2910 with the genuine Yamaha chips :)
That just sounds right :)
As always good Sir, great video! Appreciate the no-nonsense of "wellp, had to do this and such" moments. As for myself... I still have a working VisionTek Radeon 9250, was a great card (esp for budget when the family couldn't afford much but it offered great gameplay)... I still have my AMD K6-2 350MHz processor computer, with I think 128MB RAM, and an on-board SiS 6326 card-- which worked surprisingly well for most games of the time even though it wasn't high quality... that was a Windows 98 PC. Trying to think what else... I have a 450 MHz Gateway sitting here somewhere with I believe also a Rage 128 card. Man just makes me want to go digging in the basement now, lol.
Hahah go digging!!! Save that retro tech!!! :). Really appreciate the comment, thanks for your support and for watching!
Dual cpu boards are really interesting to me.
Yeah they are pretty cool. Just thinking about back in the day, they would be been amazing.
Awesome classic Mainboard 👍
Yes!!! Such a pleasure to work with.
I loved your video. Great rebuild you've done. I enjoyed seeing you play the Holomatch of Star Trek Voyager Elite Force. I wish they would redo the Star Trek Elite Force series.
Thank you!! Yes - Elite Force was such a great game it deserves some more love!
I had a Dual PIII 500MHZ on a Epox KP6-BS with 1GB Ram. Was a workhorse
Sounds like it. Some of this tech just wouldn't die. The newer stuff today I find there are a lot more issues to contend with.
Nice pc never saw one of those dual cpu ones cause they were expensive and people used reliable until they were not working anymore.
Agreed - I remember them from back in the day but as you said, very expensive so I stuck with the single CPU tech :)
Good video as always, I have the same GPU Radeon 9250 it has a passive cooler so its very warm but works without any hassle!
Agreed! I also left lots of room inside next to the card and the extra fan inside will help :)
What a cool old machine! I sort of inherited 2 of the local school's old NCR full tower servers when they upgraded to newer equipment. One was dead with a bad PSU, but the other one was a running unit with *8* - 18.2 gb. SCSI drives on an old Adaptec RAID card. It used Win 2000 Advanced Server and had dual P-II 400's (Slot 1). It was actually the domain controller for the school, and was pretty capable for the time period. With all drives installed, the machine weighed close to 110 lbs.!! I still have both of the NCR cases, because they were just too nice to scrap out. One I cloned an IBM X-series server board and PSU's into, and the other is still just an empty case for now, until I decide what to do with it.😉
110lbs, I would imagine lol. Time for a new build!
the moment i saw that Molex go flying i said "YEAAHHH GETHIM!!!" haha great job
Haha thanks!
I had the p2b-ds board with a 4.3gb wide SCSI drive initially with two p2s - not sure which speeds, and upgraded it to dual p3s later. Was a great system... It sounds like the p2b-d was just a depopulated variant. Your board would likely need the SCSI chip as well as headers and terminator circuitry.
For sure, however I'm not sure what other components or programming would be required after. A SCSI card with internal headers would do as well. Either way, I'm happy with my IDE for this build, but it would be interesting to take some benchmarks before and after ide to SCSI.
Had an Epox KP6-BS back in the days and two P3 550Mhz if I remember right, it was an awesome system
That's awesome! These dual cpu systems are pretty cool!
I'm looking for that board to add to my 1999 Asus slot1 collection. That board will should clock those 350s a little over 400. I would not leave it clocked but it fun to see what happens.
Good to know, yes this board was a great donation. I personally love ASUS boards.
Another fine Video Sir, I believe I’ve already mentioned the Dual Slot Pentium 2 & 3 Systems that I have and still have to this day in the Video where you first Discover the System in the junky Case, I also have a Dual Socket Motherboard that has Dual Tualatin CPUs running at 1.4Ghz (Think they are PGA370 Sockets but I could be wrong) Watching the Video I noticed that the previous junky Case has a built-in proprietary IO Shield, It’s so annoying when they do that, If it was me then I would’ve taped the IO Shield that came with the Motherboard into the bottom of the Case somewhere but somewhere where it wouldn’t have caused any problems but whoever had it before probably just put it back in the Box and then binned it when they had no need for it, I’ve still got most of my old Motherboard boxes! 😂 Anthony - Birmingham/UK 🇬🇧
Hi Anthony - for sure! I have so many MB's without an I/O shield. Fortunately I am finding compatible ones every time I look / come across equipment. Also, it seems you can hunt them down online if you are lucky!
@@TheRetroRecall Fair play, I’ve got boxes of parts from old Systems such as Heatsinks, Fans, Slot Covers for the Front & Rear of PC’s, IO Shields, HDD & Floppy Drive mounting Brackets etc, Always good to keep hold of in case (No Pun intended!) you need them! 🙂
That's good to know! I'll send you pictures of any board I come accross without a shield, much appreciated!
Nice work on the restoration TRR! I should probably think of doing something with the Dual Slot 1 motherboard I have in a not-so-beige case on the table behind me 🤔
Restore it and give it the love it deserves!
@@TheRetroRecall Will try to, I haven't done so much with the old systems lately!
Yes, it does take quite a bit of time to restore these systems - if you want to do it right.
I maybe wrong but the early Pentium II don't measure the temps themselves. There will be probably some pins to attach some temp diode.
Back then, way more than the motherboards can't measure the sys and cpu temps and voltagens. The motherboards then started to include the traces for a monitoring chip but yet.. some didn't had it installed.
You are correct it seems as others have also mentioned this. Much appreciated!
You're welcome.
I guess back then, the temps and voltages measurements were not so important. The ATX was introduced and they started adding the functionality.
And yes, the Pentium II/III CPU clips do break. I personally never broke the clips but some systems I purchased or aquired cheaply since 2008, some CPUs had their clips broken. One cool thing that slot 1 allowed was that we could see or put big heatsinks without fans.
I don't have dual slot slot1 motherboards but I have a motherboard that has slot1 and socket370. The motherboard came to me with a bad flashed bios and some caps needed to be replaced. Despite my efforts, the socket 370 never worked for me. Some board were picky with the socket 370 cpus and their steppings.
Makes total sense. Did you get that 370 up and running?
@@TheRetroRecall
No. I can't recall the board name.... I went to the attic and finally found it... I have too many boxes... It's model 993AN either from Jetway or SCE USA.
The slot1 slot works fine but not the socket 370. Obviously, only one CPU can be installed.
When the board came to me, it was simply "dead". The POST test card never showed anything besides the 4 dashes.
I found the board model, found the most recent BIOS.
It was kind painful to remove the damn BIOS chip from the board. It was very stuck to its socket. The ISA slot was not helping because it was in the way. The chip came out... with some bent pins.
I read the contents of the chip... bang... there was something not right because someone tried to flash a BIOS from another model. They obviously successeded writing the BIOS but the board never booted correctly after restart.
I wrote the BIOS file I downloaded to the chip. The board woke up with the Pentium II CPU. Then I tried some socket 370 processors (a Celeron 433, a Pentium III 600, a Pentium III 700) but no joy.
There might be something wrong with the socket itself or something bad with the board, maybe some bad trace or regulator. There was some caps around the board that needed to be swapped and I guess someeone used a bad PSU with this board. The socket 370 processor heatsink was warm, which means that the CPU is getting power at least.
All this was done prior 2020 and since then, the board has been stored in a carton box. It's sharing the "house" with a FIC VB-601, a single slot1 mobo with 4 dimm slots.
Maybe the future me tries to fix it.
Thanks for sharing this! I hope future you is able to get it going :)
That turned into a very nice dual slot system! Windows 2000 is certainly a nice match for it, even if NT4 may be more period correct. Win2k has always been one of my favorites (I held off upgrading from it to XP until Microsoft ended support for 2k). I've wanted a dual slot 1 machine myself for some time but have never really come across one. My only dual processor system is an IBM PC365 (Dual socket 8). I only have one P-Pro 200 (256k) in it at the moment but I may eventually upgrade it if I find a correct matching VRM module and second P-Pro 200. If that happens, I'll likely install NT4 on that one though as I think 2k would be just too new to feel right on it. I'm running 95 on it currently.
Anyway, great video and build! Slot 1 is a great retro platform!
That's awesome and yes, I don't have a lot of Slot 1 systems, especially with a decent board - it was a fun project!
I love seeing these old dual CPU systems, not sure if I would have any use for them since they require a NT Windows and most retro games I care about work better on Windows 9x, but I would love to have one just to tinker with it.
I always test a system with only the motherboard, CPU, memory, and GPU. Whenever I mount a complete retro system without testing it first, the system never boots and I have to take everything apart to figure out the problem.... also, ALWAYS run Memtest86 before installing any OS, because random problems/crashes are more often than not related to bad memory.
Definitely a great process to follow. I have never had bad luck with my method and when something ever goes wrong, I generally track it down quite quickly and resolve. As for the memtest - that is a great suggestion - especially with this aging tech! Thanks!
I *WANT* this computer!
The one laying down, or the newly restored beautiful Dual P2 :)
Gorgeous system... loved to see "Elite Force" once again... ❤ btw: no dual cpu system round here.
It's a great game! No dual cpu systems??
@@TheRetroRecall not a single one, LOL
Well if it makes it any better, these are my first ones lol.
I have a Gigabyte GA-6BXD from the same era😁 . It's been rebuilt into different machines a few times. It's currently running with a single P3 500MHz on Windows 98SE. One of the little quirks of a dual slot 1 motherboard running with a single processor is that a terminator card has to be inserted into the empty slot.
I did not know that! Thank you!
Ah, the trusty P2B-D... I was rocking one of those with two Coppermine PIII-667EBs @ 500 MHz @ 1.5 V (passively cooled) on modified MSI 6905 Masters and ultimately 1 gig of RAM for years, all crammed into a Siemens OEM case with the original 110 W Astec PSU (which later got a bit weak so a 250W Fortron went in instead). Radeon 9200 AGP. My primary harddrive was a Deskstar T7K250 250 gig later on, decoupled on foam blocks, with a Samsung SV0802N as a secondary data drive. On a Promise Ultra66 if memory serves (or did I get the Ultra100TX2 eventually?). LG GSA4040B optical drive, later replaced by a newer (and thankfully shorter) LG model. Two Terratec Aureon Sky 5.1 (Envy24HT + WM8770) soundcards, one reflashed to Audiotrak Prodigy 7.1 to make both work, so I could do radio recordings in the background. Ran Server 2003 on it that had been _obtained_ by a friend. The system, originally built with Celerons and largely completed by 2005, served me well until 2012 as I had fallen on hard times, though it was no longer fun to use (TH-cam @ 360p, yay).
I also had my older primary system with a PIII-500 on a P3B-F rev. 1.03 (first board I ever bought new with my own money!) running Windows 2000 on a decoupled Seagate Cheetah 36ES 18 gig on an LSI-based U2W HA, again a Fortron PSU if memory serves. Then there were misc. other boards and cards floating around (including e.g. a P2L97-DS), and several retro systems going back to 486/Pentium times, often with SCSI. (The GA-686KDX dual Klamath build arguably was the wildest.) It should still all be at my parents' place, I didn't have the space to take all this crap with me when I moved out.
Dream retro systems... I love the level of detail haha! Go... now.. what are you waiting for.. dig it out!!!
Interesting hardware
Agreed!
Perfect timing. Watching this while having breakfast.
That's awesome!! What part of the world?? :)
from the future lol
Hahah! What is this future world you speak of ?!? 🤔😂😂
@@TheRetroRecall It's around the time I would be having breakfast & I live in Australia!
That's soooo cool!!!!
I like the new time lapse music
Thank you!
Dual slot 1 dream machine back in days, costed fortune. And now days still cost fortune :)
But i was happy with my P2B-B / P-II 333mhz and TnT2 pro
Nice!! And yes, expensive then and now. Some of the tech held up the cost for various reasons. Mainly retro tech enthusiasts and this boards solid reputation.
@@TheRetroRecall
Yeah but how many of them ended in scrap.
Thanks for pinup and great video.
Upgrading to 1ghz slots 1 would be great but they are so so rare
I will be on the hunt!
Man, dual Slot 1, what a wild configuration. Gotta say, there's something really appealing about the packages for those CPUs. I understand why they didn't stick with them but it still feels like an aesthetic loss.
Agreed!
I loved slot 1! No bent pins, looked better.
You are right it is really good looking!
Reminds me I build a PIII system last year I haven't done anything with. I can't even remember which CPU or video card I put in it but I know I downloaded some drivers. I'm pretty sure I put my AWE 64 in it. Maybe that's where my misplaced Voodoo 5 ended up...I have a bunch of 2D and 3D cards from the '90s and early '00s. I got 4 complete PIII workstations a couple of years ago.
My only dual CPU retro machine is a Sun Ultra 60. I'm planning to set it up with a modern Linux or FreeBSD distro so I can actually use it for something. It also has a Pentium MMX on a card so it could end up being my primary DOS machine too. It doesn't really need a full restoration but I'm gonna do it anyway. I just hope the PSU is still good.
That would be nice to see! I have a couple of Linux systems here that I am waiting to do a restoration on. Looking forward to hearing how your system turns out, good luck!
I had this motherboard too ! ATIrage 128 too Windows 2000 with 2gigs ram ! Different case tho !
That's awesome! I thought the max ram for this board was 1.5g, it's nice to know it can go to 2gb!
Update bios. We had it at 2gb. @@TheRetroRecall
Ok good to know, thanks!!
Those network adapters looks like Intel EtherExpress PRO/100 TP which is typically use in servers and is more expensive than your typical consumer level D-Link one, or even any enterprise 3Com cards. You should try using them instead of wasting away collecting dust.
Yes. I didn't know what they were until the comments started coming in so thank you! They will definitely be put to use :)
Would love to see you do a Windows NT4 Workstation install. I think this machine would be ideal for it with the dual CPUs. NT4 Workstation is just as great as Windows 2000.
I definitely struggled with this one - NT 4 vs 2000 :) I think NT4 will be on the list for a future build for sure! Stay tuned :)
Looking at the Asus site and that motherboard, if you had the Rev 1.06, could support dual P3 1GHz CPU's and 1GB ram
For sure.
Nice. I would add a PCI USB card, just to have a place to plug in the front panel header. But that's me, I don't like having non functional ports.
Great recommendation and I agree!
Excelente vídeo.. saying that thoes windows 2000 nead activation? Wish you well
Hey there, nope! No activation required for Win2k :)
Dunno what it is about beige but I love it still these days 😁
I completely agree!
For sure You could make monster PC with that MB.Find 4x512 Mb Pc133 plus 2 x P2450.
That and a Matrox G200 with voodoo 2 combo!
@@TheRetroRecall Perfect for Another great video!!
The Sound Blaster CT2940 = Sound Blaster 16 Value PNP OEM
Yes! Not. A bad card. I love all things Creative.
You should have done everyone’s favorite; the most supreme OS! Windows Vista!
Haha! I think it deserves a dedicated video!
The ACPI problem funny enough is on the later 370 version of this motherboard too, I have the newer version and i get the exact error with windows 2003 server. I read that it was a bios update that fixed it, but what i will do, next time i run windows 2003 server, is give your way a go, I have ran windows NT4 server, and the system is spot on, and it doesn't flag up this error, so i am suspecting that this could be a windows 2000 /XP bug, rather than a bios / motherboard. I do remember my microsoft lecture telling me back when i did windows XP and server 2003, that you have tune dual processor systems . So this could be one of those things you have to do,
Interesting point. If you remember, let me know how you make out when you do it :)
@@TheRetroRecall yeah i have saved this video in my watch later, so i can come back to it, and let you know.
@@TheRetroRecall also this motherboard will take upto 4 gig of ram too.
@@TheRetroRecall Hi buddy i installed windows 2003 server, i set the system to MPS as you did, and windows 2003 failed to start up, it just ended up going in a loop. i repaired the system install, and selected the standard PC, and that took away the error and the system settled down nicely. Like it does with windows NT4. i am still suspecting that this is a windows 2000 /XP bug
Thanks for getting back to me! Yes, it seems that way and good to know!
That network card has an intel chip on it. Look at the big "i" printed on it.Which i would prefer over a Realtek nic as the drivers are better written and, under *nix and NT, have good HW acceleration features which 9x does not support.
A 3com nic is also a very good choice.
Now for the confusing cpu graphs. You would see that it is entirely in the red color part. That means the kernel is using up that ammount of cpu power. Green on top is for the user space applications.
Couple of tips for unknown devices:
*Set the device manager to show "per connectivity" under the view button. This will show where the device is located. ie pci bus or usb.
*Check the properties and then under a tab the HW id. If it is a PCI id check the pci id database on the web. Same for USB. At least you should be able to check the vendor id.
Thanks so much for this info!!! I didn't know about the nic, so it may be best to go that route instead of the Dlink...? As for the cpu and the kernal use... Why would the ACPI cause this issue?
@@TheRetroRecall The MPS HAL layer is the correct choice for the 440BX, which was released in 1998. Multi-processor ACPI support didn't debut until Revision 2.0 in August of 2000. I'm surprised the system even booted with the wrong HAL selected, usually that results in a hang or a BSOD. You can force the Windows 2000/XP setup to offer you a choice of HAL by hitting F5 as setup begins during the boot process.
It's so weird that the system didn't crash or BOSD, that what follows is a guess. Since the HAL represents a communication wall that must be passed through to speak to the hardware, but the ACPI HAL does not support the correct "language" for the 440BX, then the kernel must have fallen back into software mode for certain hardware features. For example, the video output might have been mostly/all in software, causing the CPUs to get hammered with kernel activity.
Thanks for this breakdown / insight! I had no idea to be honest. Everything I read online said it would utilize 50% cpu continuously however didn't get into a description as to why. Your theory is probably correct. It did state online that it would boot, just that the MPS driver had to be adjusted to correct. Either way, it was a neat learning experience :)
@@RyuConnor Now i need to check on a SMP 440BX system i have and see what the HAL Windows uses for that board. Though i don't seem to remember having large cpu usages. It does run the latest bios from Dell(precision 410) and different processors, Coppermine P3's.
My retro corner is a bit of mess i as i am implementing a KVM switch and audio switch for which i still need some adapters.
I was finally able to boot up my dual P3 system and have a look. The Windows 2000 install on it is running with the ACPI HAL and not with the MPS HAL. The processor usage does go down to 0% when idle. It does run the latest BIOS from Dell though.
you should make some little badge stickers with your TH-cam channel name to fit the cases it would look awesome
I agree! On it!! :)
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Thank you. Another viewer had indicated the same. I now have two to add to future systems! Thanks again :)
Hi, which edition/version of doom where you playing here and what was this star trek game, a mod for quake ? btw thx for your awesome Videos which made me rebuild a old AthlonXP (win2k) and a P2 Slot1 300MHz (DOS/Win98SE), which both run like new now. Greets from Germany
Hello from Canada! As Windows 2000 doesn't play nice with DOS games, I used the Doom95 port. The Star Trek game is called Star Trek Voyager Elite Force. They made 2 of these, great games! Love to hear about your new build, that's awesome. Thanks so much for watching!
I used Snappy Driver Installer Origin. It may work on elder machines. I don't know.
It is supposed to work from Win2k and up and I have used it before on Win2k, so I didn't know. I didn't take a lot of time researching the error code either.
A very neat build!👍👍Would an internal card reader work with that system?
I checked the board and unfortunately there isn't a USB header on the board internally. So, no.
@@TheRetroRecall Thanks for the information and if I recall correctly some of those USB., cards also had an internal USB., header, perhaps that would be a way of rigging a card reader?
Ahhhh that would be a neat idea! I'll check it out!
That's a cool board, would have been very desirable back then.
I didn't really know anyone running dual CPU's until the Abit BP6, dual CPU boards before that tended to be workstation/server stuff and very expensive, I don't remember this Asus but it does seem quite 'consumer' so I assume this was someone's dream home rig.
Quake 3 Arena required the r_smp option enabled to use both CPU's didn't it?
For sure. Being able to have that additional effortless computing power would have been quite something. I think he board supports 1 or 1.5gb of memory as well which is a nice compliment to the array of interfaces on the board.
my daily driver win 98 build m is a black case, I really need to get a beige one
Keep your eye open! If I get one freed up, I'll let you know :)
In about 22 or so years, I'm gonna be watching a Retro Recall video about my system:
MSI B550 MPG Gaming Plus AM4 motherboard
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X CPU
64GB (4×16GB) Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 3,200Mhz RAM
XFX AMD Radeon RX 6700XT Speedster Swift309 12GB GDDR6 graphics card
1TB SanDisk Ultra 3D NVMe M.2 SSD + 500GB SanDisk Ultra 3D NAND SSD
Windows 11 operating system
And I'll be like wow! I remember that old machine,.... good times! 🤣
Hahahaha now that's perspective!!!
@@TheRetroRecall Funny thing is, I just recently upgraded my system with my shiny new Ryzen 7 5800X from the Ryzen 5 5500 I had in it. Not a huge jump in CPU specific tasks but the 5500 oddly only supports PCIe 3.0 mode which was constricting my graphics card. Now all of a sudden it's running like a champ! 😁
You could try shoving the bent cards in your oven at the lowest temp to unwarp them. Sometimes it works and sometimes it makes things worse
Eeeks. I got scared reading your comment haha. I wonder if placing something heavy on them for a bit would help?
@@TheRetroRecall just got to be very careful, allot of times curious that your can't see the legs on are ball soldered with low melt....
Weight could help but still have to make sure you don't exceed solder melt point
@@TheRetroRecall I should mention when you over clock for long periods of time without sufficient cooling, the ball solder/solder melt point comes into play.
Typically heat builds and bridges traces In the processor internally...
Had a over clocked dual socket A athlon 2100+ back in the day running stable at 2.1ghz each and after about 8 months, one finally bridged... 4.2ghz back during the 1.65ghz days was awesome.
Was on a biostar board btw..
Been on the hunt for a dual am2 board because I have 2 am2 athlon black 5500+
Great info, I've always been taught to upgrade the cooling regardless of any level of OC, so we will be covered.
Could you please tell where you ordered the new I/O shield from? I got a p4p800-e that doesn't have it, and I can't find a replacement online.
I was able to get one from ebay. I agree - they are difficult to find but they do pop up. Also some shared the same layout or over populated ones that will fit. Keep an eye out for old cases, etc.
@@TheRetroRecall Oh, ebay it is then. Thank you for the handy tip and the quick reply :)
Never a problem, good luck on the search!! I know it can be tough. I'd you can't find one, just setup an auto search and it will notify you when one comes up :)
Can video games utilize those two cpus, or does the program have to be specially made for that purpose?
I think the OS is built to use both, so I would imagine anything running would use it, however most would switch to a dedicated graphics card with its owm dedicated GPU.
Did you installed some kind of fps monitor software???
Not yet. It's on the list, just a lot on the go. I also wanted to do benchmarking but it was almost 12 hours of footage and 6 hours of editing for this one haha! Figured it was time to get it completed for the release.
Dude you should have put the case badge in the badge square, where it goes.
Haha, where it goes is very subjective... However that's for a different size badge :). Which is coming.
I would replace that PSU even it's new. Why? Because it has weak-ish 5V (just 22A) rail which is important for old PC. That means your power supply can handle up to 110W on that line - most components on mainboard uses 5v voltage. Dual processor build requires over 40W only for P2s, motherboard also consumes some power, HDDs, graphics card... So modern 500W PSU in total is on the limits. I recommend search for old Delta/FSP/Chieftec PSU (and eventually recap them if caps are blown) and look for 'strength' of rail. I have Chieftec GPS-450AA-101A with whooping 28A on 5V rail - 140W, 30W more for retro purposes, but I live in middle-east of Europe - I don't know whether Chieftec is known in Canada, but in Poland and German - yes. Of course no offence - just polite recommendation :)
my recommended PSU still isn't that good as (in example) HPC-360-202 DF - look at that! 35A - 175W! Very strong power supply for old PCs, especially for Athlon XPs with powerful Radeon 9800
Appreciate the recommendation! I tend not to unless there is a reason to, however that said I've been told that newer PSUs are weaker on the requirements for older boards. I'll look into this, thanks!
I'll look up the specs and see if I can find a comparable baord.
I need a PC to run Windows 95, but not having any luck finding one due to cost
It can be tough. Keep an eye out on online marketplaces or local ewaste centers
don't have a ewaste centers
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Back when computer cases looked good, and not like a bad night club.
Agreed haha!
I've heard of dual socket motherboards, but I had no idea there where dual slot boards. Where there only dual slot one motherboards or where some slot a for amd cpu cards?
There were Slot A as well, yes - however from what I understand they were more rare.
@@TheRetroRecall I see. It's a pretty neat technology.
Definitely. It looks cool :)
Still enkoy good old SCSI 2940 50 great card, had a scsnner, HP tape, HD sll one ! Today firewire tske over biut old dos irq dma nothing ony and terminatr easy
Haha, so true. I have a 2940 here as well as an older ISA Adaptec SCSI card for my HP 4C scanner!
40:00 -ish ATI Rage card driver install is the same as the ACPI to MPS Driver thing. You have to tell it what it is manually to what you think it is and it'll either work or not (safe mode or vga mode and remove or roll back to last known good config). ahhh, I donno why butt I think it had to do with lots of these cards being OEM locked by PCI ID thing... **shrugs** tell windows what it is and should work, but is a moot point cos Radeon is better.
I'll take another look, but my goodness, everything I tried failed. It almost ended up outside lol!
Did that sticker have an activation key?
It did, and I took a picture of it before removing it. It was for XP oem.
Hi, liking your videos so far but your intro and outro music is a lot louder than the content of your videos, could you maybe lower their volume a little bit? Otherwise thanks for the great videos.
Thanks! Love having you along for the ride. To be honest this is the first time I have ever received this feedback with over 600k views on the channel. I think I'll wait to see if it is an issue moving forward. Hopefully you continue to enjoy the content in the middle outside of 45 seconds of intros and outros :)
@@TheRetroRecall I think people are nervous to give that kind of feedback, I recall having some bad interactions when I've said certain parts of videos are too loud.
I think I mentioned this before, but I used to have a dual Pentium 2 system back in the day, I kinda wish I'd have kept all that stuff.
I do however now have a (new to me) Dell Pentium 3 500Mhz system, it had 384MB of RAM, but I figured one 256MB stick would be fine, I've only got the one IDE Hard drive, so I'm reluctant to wipe it as the store restored it to working functionality with Windows 98, so I got myself an IDE to SATA adapter and an IDE to FLASH adapter so I can put something a bit more easily acquired into the system...
oooh I think that motherboard is the same one I had back then....
Nice. I would take an image of that drive as well just in case.
Nice!
@@TheRetroRecall I kind-of want to, but it's not the original OEM install, it's the installation the retro store did on it, and B I'm not sure the best process to do that, perhaps you have suggestions ????
With an IDE to USB adapter, plug into a modern laptop running imaging software - Macrum Reflect is an example. You then do a scan of the drive and use the clone / image functionality to clone the drive. That way you have the complete image in case the drive stops working. Now, of course only do this if you don't want to lose anything lol. I do this for all of the retro PC's that have hard to find drivers or original oem setups.
Dual slot 1! Big dog! If you had one of these back in the day you were a big deal. :)
I had a dual Pentium Pro 200Mhz system that was my work PC for a period of time. Sadly the software back then really wasn't ready for more than two threads. You had to run Windows NT 4, and of course most software at the time made for Win9x did not work on Windows NT at all, including most games, so you were really stuck. Even in Windows NT things weren't necessarily better. Really the early dual CPU systems from both Intel and AMD needed special/custom software to take advantage of their capabilities.
Of course Windows 2000 on the desktop would advance this for business, and of course Windows XP really brought this to the mainstream users.
Yes! I would only dream of dual cpu setups - all of my custom PC's had to be built with single cpu as the components for dual cpu were so expensive!
Yes, famous ASUS Motherboards. I am about to refurbish a P2B-S with PIII 7xx or 8xx MHz/100 in a big nice tower case and a P2B-D is still waiting in the cellar in a big server case wirh dual PSU, on rolls, handel on the top and with 5 SCSI SCA 80 bays on the front for a decent Adaptec 160 HBA.
These boards had been the cost effective self made alternatives to the real expensive big OEM Server & Workstation offers from Compaq, hp, IBM, Dell (already?), etc. for Windows NT4 and Windows 2000.
I even got a dual PIII with Intergraph Z BIOS for Bentley MicroStation, Adobe , 3D Studio Max, Oracle Database, etc . Think it is also an ASUS MB with professional CAD GAs like WildCat etc. for Intel PC systems.
Well, I am still not interested in PC gaming stuff. 😊
Nice build!!!! Haha, those full towers on wheels... I remember those well :). Interested to hear how it turns out!
Windows 2000 pro can run in sd card ?
And on intel 2328 m processor?
You would have to check on the CPU, however as long as you had an SD card adapter, you should be fine.
Whats most amazing is the fact you show 0% utilization. and realizing at idle on a 3900x across 12 cores (24 threads) clocked at 4.2ghz. I idle average at 2%. Which is probably more power then your whole system, just to idle win 10
Haha, wow! That's perspective! Win2K seems to take nothing to idle. You could definitely see activity as I accessed items, however nothing like I was showing earlier in the video.
Would some early Linux support dual processors? I want to think so.
I honestly do not know... I hope there are other replies on this comment so we can find out together!
Aug 1, 1996
Linux Distro 2.0
This would support the dual CPU setup?
Yes
Thanks!
What, you can run DOS games in Windows 2000 ?
Haha no, this was using the Doom95 Port :)
Then, why Windows 2000 can run 3d gaming, image, video & audio editing & use Windows 2000 at home use but not Windows ME Millennium Edition?
I personally loved Windows ME. In order for the OS to recognize the Dual CPU, you had to use NT4, Win2k or WinXP. In this case I chose Win2k.
Omg. This keyboard layout. I've spent hours trying to find similar mechanical one. No luck. Please help me :)
To be honest, I lucked out as this keyboard came to me with another system I picked up. It's an Acer keyboard with a metal backplate making it quite heavy. You should be able to find one on ebay. Best of luck!!
Don't vacuums create static electricity?
They do, unless they are an ESD vacuum :)
Try RA-2....
I will see if I can grab it.
Why You Removed Windows xp Product key Sticker
It was not relavent to this system? It was an oem sticker and I took a picture of it prior to removing it so I have the license :)
no PentiumII dual slot boards ever here...or any PII...mine is PentiumIII (370) 800/192MB/dual boot Win98/Win2000...and a spare XP HDD in the drawer with all drivers (all drivers for XP and 2000 but there's a missing entry point blah blah .dll error? for Win98se) something like that...i keep forgetting what it says...annoying though...i'll figure it out one of these days maybe...all fitted in a desktop case...it only had 64 MB RAM as OEM...i added a 128MB stick...uneven mismatch like yours but it doesn't have dual channel...none of these relics do...
Nice build! Yes, this was the wild west of computing. You could get away with a lot, and at the same time not so much haha! Oh the fun of retro computing.
had a bad day today first the IDE harddisk **banned word** so i only had sata harddisk and an adapter and the adapter **banned word** (magic smoke)
Oh no!!!!!!! That's retro hell!!!!!
@@TheRetroRecall i even killed a usb port on the front
😲
@@TheRetroRecall that one i can replace from a **banned word** laptop
Hahah today isn't your day.
32mb eh? i didn't know the pro went that high
I'm happy to be corrected, however I thought it was 16 originally until I looked it up online and it stated 32. That said, I had a pile of trouble with this card and if it wasn't retro, it would have been tossed accross the room lol!
kinda suprised u would have troble with that card....after all it isn't the imfamous rage fury maxx.@@TheRetroRecall
It is but it was the Win2k drivers that were the issue.
ahhh yes the driver issue with windows 2000 is a pain since it wasn't meant for home use@@TheRetroRecall
i will say that if u had the rage fury maxx with the dual gpus that system would a one of a kind@@TheRetroRecall
Melt down that old junk for valuable metals 🙂
Never!