Within 2 years of this video Pink Floyd would be recording dark side of the moon.... That album will stand the test of time forever... Long after I die that album will live on For eternity. And Peter Grant was definitely the best manager ever in rock and roll
And here, we can see them doing a take for the backing track for Echoes, the very blueprint track for the remainder of their career... It was Echoes that made them realize that THIS is the way they should go henceforth.
I wonder if the “Bagism” stuff they did for awhile had something to do with “we just want to be smacked out today on heroin”. Maybe the bag was a way to hide themselves, in case they were visibly messed up, nodding out, drooling, not able to speak, etc. 😂 Wouldn’t surprise me if that was their inside joke. Who knows with John and Yoko? 😆
The Grateful Dead encouraged fans to record shows and share tapes. They even set aside an area at the shows where recorders could set up their equipment. One of a kind group. Living by their own philosophy and values.
No one outside San Francisco would buy their shit studio albums . They toured and played concerts relentlessly , that how they made their money Easy enough for them when they could have stayed in California (wealth, population size ) and play the same clubs 30-40-50 times in a period of 4-6 years (when they started out ) and wouldn’t have need for cross state or cross country travel . I’m referring tot the early years . Imagine looking at the monthly schedule for the Fillmore , or Fillmore west or Winterland and various colleagues around the San Francisco area … Grateful Dead on 2-3 times a week in the same club …boring European bands and major US acts had a lot of expenses when travelling around the US and didn’t have the luxury of being generous thieves who developed ridiculous nothings that music should be free and “by god, I’m not paying to get into this concert, lets riot and break down the barrier fences because I have rights and fuck the artists trying to make a living “
GD did that with the hope that people would honestly be recording for their own personal use rather than try and sell it on in big numbers. It generated some trust between bands and their hardcore fans . Huge difference GD were not a commercial band. Sure, their concerts became huge deal later, but back in the 1960s and 1970s they sold nothing like The Beatles or Led Zeppelin. There’s no May that opportunists were going to go to a LZ concert , record it and not sell it in mass bulk . There would have been fuck all mass demand for GD bootleg compared to the major selling bands .
If GD were commercially successful and assessable to the general record buying audience they probably wouldn’t have taken that stance. If they learned that members of their hardcore fans were abusing the trust that GD placed on them and went off to press several thousand of records FOR PROFIT , you can be that GD would not have been so generous - the motive (not happy that people are making money off them or they not getting a cut ) is irrelevant.
If Peter Grant was Hendrix's manager, he wouldn't have fallen into the clutches of a Michael Jeffrey! I.E, Peter Grant had Led Zeppelin's financial interests at heart!
Hendrix died the day after M. Jeffries contract w/Hrendrix expired......Jeffries had also heard that Hendrix was not renewing that contract and wanted nothing more to do with the Guy because Jeffries was robbing Hendrix. I only found this out in the last few years.....puts Hendrix death under a suspicious light.
We need guys like Peter Grant to stand up to Ticketmaster. Entertainment and ticket sales are definitely a part of capitalism that is way out of control. And ultimately comes down to the artist. Going to see a band these days is only a rich man's activity or so it seems.
Capitalism would be open market competition. This is essentially a monopoly, or duopoly, where a few companies have got together, bribe some regulators through lobbying, and given themselves a huge cash advantage. The politicians in both parties support it because they get a piece of the action. that is not capitalism. It’s much closer to Socialism, or what is called kleptocracy.
Have you seen the costs for even a small sized gig ? As for stadiums ? I know that the Americans are use to paying well over 200 dollars for a gig , but it’s creeped into Europe too . Yes, inflation has a lot to do with it ,likewise all the other issues that are out of the control of the promoter and band , but sweet Jesus , back in 2002 -2010 you could have gone to a weekend festival with all of the top top festival bands for about €150 (mayne an extra 10 or 20 for camping or all included ) . Now you’d be lucky to get that for one day stadium gig with one main act . Over 30€ for a small venue gig . It’s not cocaine I’m trying to buy Part of me preferred to get up at silly o’clock in the morning and que outside the record store for tickets to big events (yeah, tickmaster was still involved ) least it wasn’t as expensive snd there were less hidden charges The bands barely get a fraction of the cost of the ticket and they are the ones who the crowd expect a big sound system , lights and stage , not ticketmaster . That costs a lot
@@ProfessorKenneth Steve had to contend with Roger's asinine lawsuit and Roger ousting Rick Wright. In fact when Steve met Rick at the airport during The Wall sessions to inform Rick that Roger wanted him out Steve was in tears and Rick was in shock. Even David and Nick were against the move hence after Roger left, Rick came back and was eventually reinstated by David and Nick. Also Steve managed David, Nick and Rick's solo careers and when he passed away in 2003, they played at his funeral.
It’s doesn’t get any heavier than me is the best response Grant can give! If he was alive during the TH-cam years some arms and legs would be broken. RIP lad.
He was around for some of Napster wasn’t he ? Albeit not active and he was ill . I hope people that said a lot a shit about Metallica and their drummer for their stance against Napster have apologised . He was right . Yah, he went after the people who stole from them ie the fans , but something had to be done It’s interesting that the vinyls are back in vogue . Due to mobility, I always preferred tape or cd . Christ , the price of a record now 🤪😱
Through no fault of his own, the bootlegging continued and thrived well into the 1990s . Sure look at the smirks of the record shop owners in the video , contempt . Fortunately for them, they are long out of the retail trade .
Screw the RRHOF, I prefer Johnny rotten view as these people at the RRHOF aren't music fans ,there corporate people,music executives etc. Look at the terrible concerts that have been there. Check out the crowd. Everyone's in suits, probably never bought a concert ticket for 30 years what a load of BS.
WOW at 1:47 you can see Nick Drake's second album bryter layter which at the time of release 1971, was not a big seller. It took people time to understand what a great musician he was, unfortunately after his untimely death.
The record companies only cared about their own money, not about the artists. By the way, Grateful Dead actually were glad to have their concerts recorded by their fans. They didn't go bankrupt because of the thousands of recordings out there. They were also the top grossing concerts for years.
Grateful dead didn’t have the record sales that other bands had ! No one outside California and a few hardcore pockets of the rest US wanted to actually buy their shit . Not comparable ! Much of their music was dross to the general public unless they wanted to be drugged up all of the time They lived on touring, a lot , which is easier for US bands in the US compared to European groups They authorised bootlegging for personal use only .
Anyone interested in Peter Grant and his life, and mostly his life with Zep, his book is "Bring it on Home". I'm 3/4 done with the Audible version and it's fascinating!
"Blueberry Hill" was my first boot. Years later, just weeks after seeing Zeppelin in '75 some guy (still dunno who)... handed me 4 cassette tapes with both Seattle shows from '75 on them. FULL shows... damn good sound. The 3-21-75 show is widely available on TH-cam... but not the 3-17-75 show (?) Has to be somewhere. I put it on Napster !
I want to put in a word for bootlegs. I know they are not approved by the band and there is no revenue going back to the artist but as a Pink Floyd fan (you hear Pink Floyd in the background of this documentary) I have bought many Pink Floyd bootlegs on record and CD but I already have a full collection of their official catalogue. The value of the bootleg album gives the listener an insight to the live performance of a band and Pink Floyd improvised a lot on their live performances which makes the bootlegs really amazing to listen to. Fat Old Sun, a track on the 1970 album Atom Heart Mother becomes a 20 minute epic masterpiece on the John Peel Paris Theatre sessions. Oakland May 9th 1977, Hollywood Bowl September 22 1972 are but a few of really defining Pink Floyd moments that would be lost forever if it not for the bootleggers.
Yes, i agree with every Word You say'd.... Without these illegal Fan Recording's, maybe a lott of verry important Moment's in the Rock History being lost Moment's.....We can be verry glad, that People had tryed to do Recordings of these Concert's , such Concert's as Example like Led Zeppelin's LIVE ON BLUEBERRY HILL , Led Zeppelin's EARLSCOURT, Led Zeppelin's LISTEN TO THIS EDDIE, Led Zeppelin's FOR BADGEHOLDERS ONLY, or Led Zeppelin's TEXAS POP FESTIVAL 1969, or LIVE AT FILLMORE WEST 27.4.1969, or finaly KNEBWORTH 1979 and the last Concert of the Band ever BONZOS LAST STAND BERLIN 7.7.1980.....and, and, and.... Millon's of Musiclover's are grateful for the Taper's Work and they'r Effort to freese this Moment's in Time for Eternity ..... And Yes, that Recording's still excist til today..... From time to time, some unheard Tape appear's..... GOD SAFE THE TAPER'S
Oh wow, the first time I saw this I don't know how I didn't realise that was *the* Virgin Records store and the manager telling all is Richard Branson 😂 What a video, so many great moments.
@@johnebejer The Pink Floyd Sound. A few other names as well. The T-Set. The Abdabs, The Screaming Abdabs. There may be a few I've left off... Much like this guy though I think people called them 'the' Pink Floyd at times. As well as many thinking pf and lz were a single man. I remember hearing the name led zeppelin when I was a little boy, and I assumed it was a guy's name, lol.
I love Grant's late 60's and early 70's handlebar mustache before he grew his beard by 1973. Dude looked an absolute badass from head to feet. He could give everybody a funny but creepy straight stare into your face when he was alive.
Interviewer: What if you could obtain an exact duplication of the master recording via a wireless medium and not pay a cent? Or record a live concert with better then broadcast quality video and high fidelity audio from a device that could fit in your pocket? Peter Grant : Stay off the psychedelics son.
Peter Grant....greatest manager in rock and roll. Guy did so many things right. But I think his only major folly was going after people recording Zep shows. It's unfortunate that Zep didn't take the approach that the Grateful Dead did. Let people record their shows but ask them to not sell bootlegs. Nearly every Zep show is available after a certain point, but some of the recording quality of the shows are atrocious. It would be nice for those of us who were too young to have been there to be able to hear more Zep. It's not like there's a lot of official live Zep available. Half dozen shows or so? I don't think the concert bootlegs would have interfered with Zeps money making abilities when it came to selling records. If anything, boots would make the band more desirable and more people would buy their official releases. Now, bootlegging official albums.....that's bad news. I'm glad he was after people that did that. The story of the Beatles record that was stolen is a bad one. People can be real scummy.
Was, he is dead. He might have been rough around the edges and had links and learned from Don Arden , but , he did treat his bands well . Not the same as other groups and their managers , whether due to their drug habits (The Who 2nd manager fleeced them ) ; or being out of their depth and being too keen on their own persona ( Brian Epstein and the Beatles ) or ineptitude and lack of experience (Rolling Stones first manager ) or just being general scum (Klein ex manager of the Stones and Beatles )
The funny thing was , all the people who purchased the bootlegs, went to the concerts, purchased every album and single anyway! If anything the bands that were popular on bootlegs benefited greatly as time went on...it's the only time Peter Grant made a mistake, he actually should've encouraged it!
Yes if they were so stressed about losing money through bootleg sales all they had to do was record the live shows through the mixing board pop in the studio remix overdub the errors and sell them themselves problem solved. Studio quality momento's of a live event you attended who wouldnt wanna buy it?
also keep the quality of releases up.I mean in todays climate bands are represented by phone films on you tube where the audio is completely overloaded and abysmal. There will be people casting judgement on an act from this. Also in the film they discuss stolen / backhanded master tapes. its a known thing that some masters are available online to do your own fan remixes. Really famous ones. The pain you feel when your masters are stolen seriously aches. I have experienced that ache. So in a way Peter Grant was right to do his best to keep the lid on the quality of output. I don't think the money was really it, they had enough of it coming in. @@DiamonthdP
Peter Grant's biggest mistake in my opinion was not taking the route of having Led Zeppelin recorded live professionally and subsequently releasing an official live album sooner than "The Song Remains the Same". Jimmy Page ultimately rectified that with "The Way the West Was Won", but the time that had elapsed before this occurred dampened the immediacy of the impact.
A Saturday visit to the record shops in Glasgow was amazing, 23rd Precinct and Listen were my go to places.... you could pick up all sorts of albums there.. long gone are the days of saving up your dough and jumping up to Glasgow on the train ...
Oh the memories! I recall the Record Runner store near Syracuse University that sold bootleg records in the early 1970s. All the big names. Got a lot of Beatles boots there - I still have them! Although it was "you pay your money and you take your chances", when you got a good one it was so worth it!
Peter Grant was a great manager… He changed the whole game in favor of the artists. But he did have a shortcoming not realizing they should’ve been taping every show professionally- hindsight is 2020.
The ironic thing is that although Peter Grant was so much against bootlegging, he did make deals for Zeppelin which meant they got a decent amount of money and weren't exploited. This was unusual in the music industry where labels and managers often fleeced the artists. For the first few years Queen were on £50 a week whilst their manager was buying flash cars. I was born in the year this video was made. It's a different world now.
Jack Nelson was Queen's US manager and he was good but their UK managers The Sheffield Brothers were another story. Jack was interviewed for the 1995 Queen documentary Champions Of The World (authorized by the band) while the Sheffields were not.
innocent days, now they would realise all we wanted was a magic moment where we can hear the musicians playing their instruments, if anything now it's funny, they are paid by live performance, rather than recordings, and yes we are interested in their recording rather than bootlegs that we can make ourselves anyhow.
The bootlegging got on a Train called the Internet and didn't look back. I wouldn't be surprised if Peter Grant is trying to get out of his grave to summon his wrath.
The bootleg thing is interesting, many reports pointed out that most of those who buy the bootleg concerts (sometimes just for one song ) are genuine fans who already buy the band’s material . I would have been at the end period of bootlegs and bought a few but always the live gigs and because of the addition of cover or a rare live song . Always bought their albums though, it was more for collection purposes .
I like how in the first half they play several tracks from Pink Floyd's "More" soundtrack in the background im the first half. Not their most well known album, and two of those tracks are uncharacteristically heavy.
In 1971 Pink Floyd wasnt big yet...Meddle and Obscured by clouds weren't even out yet...Much later the big stuff like dark side of the moon, wish you were here, animals, the wall...Meddle would release later that year
@@granddukeofmecklenburg actually Atom Heart Mother hit number one in the UK charts the previous year so they were pretty big by then, domestically at least. Which is funny because they hate that album. Obscured by Clouds and More were also big hits in France more than they were in the UK, presumably because of their French Film counterparts. Sorry I've edited this comment about 10 times already, you may be getting some irregularities on the other end.
Mike Millard was famous for bootlegging Zeppelin, among other artists. He put his recording equipment on the bottom of a wheelchair, and rolled himself into the show. . .en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Millard
Would anyone know the name of the song playing in the background when the manager of the Virgin Records store is being interviewed (beginning at 2:31)? Thank you!
Ahhhh! Thank you! I'm a huge Pink Floyd fan, but I've never listened to the More album, from which, as I now know, derives the song. Much appreciated, Mr. Morrissey!
What these clowns were doing is treating counterfeit STUDIO recordings the same as LIVE GIG recordings, when they are completely different things. A live gig comes and goes, any bootlegs will be nowhere as good as a pro recording. If an artist then releases a pro recording of that gig, then any bootlegs will be redundant and unsellable. This was the route Frank Zappa took with his "Beat The Boots" series of releases. Frank realised the demand was there, so, instead of constantly griping about it, he did the smart thing and filled it!
Only serious fans buy bootlegs....because they love the artists so much, and bought all the official releases....they'll buy bootlegs also....hasn't ever taken a dime from an artist....imo. Edit....I'm talking strictly live, audience recorded bootlegs, not stolen masters or private demos.....
I agree with you and also chances are if somebody wants some Master Tracks to get a better listen to isolated tracks which is why most of us desire those certainly those people myself included have bought dozens of the original copies of all their albums anyway so this really was much to do about nothing because to be honest most of the bootleg so I bought cost much more than the original albums anyway live or Studio recordings by the labels so this thing really is and has taken on a life of its own I understand somebody stealing Master Tracks as an artist I would be outraged that's pretty messed up if you're the artist but it would be nice if artists were a little more generous and sharing things like this for the people who really love and follow them and made them rich to begin with...
J'Mac ! Dumbfuck, the artist's own their music, so selling illegal recording''s of said music is fucking stealing you illiterate imbecillic moron, plus the quality of the product usually damages their status as artists. So basically STFU about what you know nothing about fool
Very True. In, fact, I thought the segment with Yoko saying, "Power to the people!" was kind of cool. Artists lose nothing by the sale of bootlegs, if anything, they may gain fans who may later go out and buy the official releases of the product. Like TH-cam videos, it's basically free advertisement. I'm strictly speaking of live concerts, though. Stealing from the master tapes is most definitely piracy!
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I seriously doubt that bootlegging hurts the musicians financially. They feel artistically slighted, I'm sure - the sound quality ranges from pretty good to absolutely awful - but I'm sure that those who buy bootlegs are the ones that have all of the legit releases, yours truly included. So there is nothing else to buy from the artist, plus I/they know that it wasn't produced using proper industry methodology/techniques so we know how to listen through rough sound. I/they just wanted the legendary Listen To This Eddie set from LA 1977. Both the performance (especially Bonham) and the sound quality (for a 1970's audience recording) are both A+. I have a few from Zeppelin and a few from Elton. Ever heard anything from his tours with just him and the piano? Incredible. We are all well aware of his fabulous voice and fantastic songwriting, but with out a backing band he simply plays more piano - A LOT MORE PIANO! Then one remembers "oh yeah, he attended The Royal Academy of Music."
The actual story I heard was that Peter Grant caught the bootleggers in Munich himself and threw them off the balcony before destroying the equipment personally. The cops did indeed arrest them after, because you dont mess with G. Period.
If a band never plays the same way and only sells albums, I think it's only right that the boots bloom and I thank all the boots because since the royalties are strong and Zep's career is over, only the boots give us oxygen and I don't care how much it costs the band members, I think they are rich enough.
The Destroyer set of Led Zep was good ,,you had to be carful what you bought ,,There was a Rateing system Anything below a 7 ,but usualy an 8 was good ,,I had friend who pressed this stuff in Wherehouse until BPI bust in 82 ,,Covers were so,so ,,when ,,CDs came on market ,,Everything Changed i have so many its funny once in Awhile i go back and play one ,,Great Memories ,,i still have alot but ,,Today no one of Younger gen Really cares About music Anymore ,,its Cellphones and a Humdrum boring life these Kids missed so much of Great music ERA ,,
So here Grant says that Blueberry Hill, the Zep bootleg was recorded through radio transmitters that went to a mobile recoding truck, which tells me that it was professional recorded by the mobile truck equipment
I think he was being a wise ass with that one. Doesn't look like there was recording gear set up that night. You can usually tell by the microphones on the drumkit at shows in those days
This Collins guy was quite a worm. Of course this was 1971 and over 50 years have passed. I'm sure his encounter with Peter Grant probably terrified him.Peter had a reputation of not being nice or understanding to anyone he caught illegally selling Led Zeppelin merchandise or recordings.
Today you'd wish someone would bootleg your show because that means somebody actually cares! This is when people cared so much about music that they would buy bootleg albums. Today the general public just listens to music passively.
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"Well, they're not going to get anybody heavier than me, are they?" -- Peter Grant
Within 2 years of this video Pink Floyd would be recording dark side of the moon.... That album will stand the test of time forever... Long after I die that album will live on For eternity.
And Peter Grant was definitely the best manager ever in rock and roll
And here, we can see them doing a take for the backing track for Echoes, the very blueprint track for the remainder of their career... It was Echoes that made them realize that THIS is the way they should go henceforth.
I wish I could visit those record shops today. Just imagine!
I wish more people uploaded onto TH-cam! But I love what's on here.
When Yoko said, "he prefers to be in a bag today", I almost fell over.
That was hilarious.
I wonder if the “Bagism” stuff they did for awhile had something to do with “we just want to be smacked out today on heroin”. Maybe the bag was a way to hide themselves, in case they were visibly messed up, nodding out, drooling, not able to speak, etc. 😂 Wouldn’t surprise me if that was their inside joke. Who knows with John and Yoko? 😆
@@ScottMasson Who knows with them, they did some strange publicity stunts...
Peter Grant should have been managing Steve Hillage.
The Grateful Dead encouraged fans to record shows and share tapes.
They even set aside an area at the shows where recorders could set up their equipment.
One of a kind group.
Living by their own philosophy and values.
Inferior product was a worry for Grant. Grant didn't want Zeppelin on tv because he thought the sound quality wasn't up to standard.
Man I miss the Dead shows
No one outside San Francisco would buy their shit studio albums . They toured and played concerts relentlessly , that how they made their money
Easy enough for them when they could have stayed in California (wealth, population size ) and play the same clubs 30-40-50 times in a period of 4-6 years (when they started out ) and wouldn’t have need for cross state or cross country travel . I’m referring tot the early years .
Imagine looking at the monthly schedule for the Fillmore , or Fillmore west or Winterland and various colleagues around the San Francisco area … Grateful Dead on 2-3 times a week in the same club …boring
European bands and major US acts had a lot of expenses when travelling around the US and didn’t have the luxury of being generous thieves who developed ridiculous nothings that music should be free and “by god, I’m not paying to get into this concert, lets riot and break down the barrier fences because I have rights and fuck the artists trying to make a living “
GD did that with the hope that people would honestly be recording for their own personal use rather than try and sell it on in big numbers. It generated some trust between bands and their hardcore fans . Huge difference
GD were not a commercial band. Sure, their concerts became huge deal later, but back in the 1960s and 1970s they sold nothing like The Beatles or Led Zeppelin. There’s no May that opportunists were going to go to a LZ concert , record it and not sell it in mass bulk . There would have been fuck all mass demand for GD bootleg compared to the major selling bands .
If GD were commercially successful and assessable to the general record buying audience they probably wouldn’t have taken that stance.
If they learned that members of their hardcore fans were abusing the trust that GD placed on them and went off to press several thousand of records FOR PROFIT , you can be that GD would not have been so generous - the motive (not happy that people are making money off them or they not getting a cut ) is irrelevant.
If Peter Grant was Hendrix's manager, he wouldn't have fallen into the clutches of a Michael Jeffrey! I.E, Peter Grant had Led Zeppelin's financial interests at heart!
Loved the scenes from the Woodstock movie
Jeffrey would have been through a serious beat down.
Stephen Stills said that Jimi should have gotten Glyn Johns to produce his albums.A pretty good point.
@@StratsRUs absolutely right!
Hendrix died the day after M. Jeffries contract w/Hrendrix expired......Jeffries had also heard that Hendrix was not renewing that contract and wanted nothing more to do with the Guy because Jeffries was robbing Hendrix. I only found this out in the last few years.....puts Hendrix death under a suspicious light.
Peter Grant, Shrewd Cookie mate.Best manager a band could have.
We need guys like Peter Grant to stand up to Ticketmaster. Entertainment and ticket sales are definitely a part of capitalism that is way out of control. And ultimately comes down to the artist. Going to see a band these days is only a rich man's activity or so it seems.
And Ticketweb! They still haven't replied to my email I sent them in 2015! About as much use as a chocolate teapot 🤨
Capitalism would be open market competition. This is essentially a monopoly, or duopoly, where a few companies have got together, bribe some regulators through lobbying, and given themselves a huge cash advantage. The politicians in both parties support it because they get a piece of the action. that is not capitalism. It’s much closer to Socialism, or what is called kleptocracy.
I blame the artists and the people who buy them
@@robertj5881 So you're saying that a company buying up all of its competitors to ensure maximum profits is NOT a byproduct of capitalism?
Have you seen the costs for even a small sized gig ? As for stadiums ? I know that the Americans are use to paying well over 200 dollars for a gig , but it’s creeped into Europe too .
Yes, inflation has a lot to do with it ,likewise all the other issues that are out of the control of the promoter and band , but sweet Jesus , back in 2002 -2010 you could have gone to a weekend festival with all of the top top festival bands for about €150 (mayne an extra 10 or 20 for camping or all included ) . Now you’d be lucky to get that for one day stadium gig with one main act . Over 30€ for a small venue gig . It’s not cocaine I’m trying to buy
Part of me preferred to get up at silly o’clock in the morning and que outside the record store for tickets to big events (yeah, tickmaster was still involved ) least it wasn’t as expensive snd there were less hidden charges
The bands barely get a fraction of the cost of the ticket and they are the ones who the crowd expect a big sound system , lights and stage , not ticketmaster . That costs a lot
Wow, really cool because it shows Pink Floyd playing Echoes before Meddle came out (ignoring their live performances).
Peter grant was brilliant👍🏻, Imagine if he managed pink Floyd.
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He’d probably have popped Waters for a start.
@@littlebird2276😅 lol..definitely mate 👍🏻 I don't he and Waters would get on..but Pink Floyd had a good manager.
@@ProfessorKenneth Steve had to contend with Roger's asinine lawsuit and Roger ousting Rick Wright. In fact when Steve met Rick at the airport during The Wall sessions to inform Rick that Roger wanted him out Steve was in tears and Rick was in shock. Even David and Nick were against the move hence after Roger left, Rick came back and was eventually reinstated by David and Nick. Also Steve managed David, Nick and Rick's solo careers and when he passed away in 2003, they played at his funeral.
It’s doesn’t get any heavier than me is the best response Grant can give! If he was alive during the TH-cam years some arms and legs would be broken.
RIP lad.
Guy was nothing, just one kick by MA fighter and he'd be toast, lol
Great period report.
Wish peter was still with us. He would be a voice for all pirating that happens every second. Rest easy big guy
He was around for some of Napster wasn’t he ? Albeit not active and he was ill . I hope people that said a lot a shit about Metallica and their drummer for their stance against Napster have apologised . He was right . Yah, he went after the people who stole from them ie the fans , but something had to be done
It’s interesting that the vinyls are back in vogue . Due to mobility, I always preferred tape or cd . Christ , the price of a record now 🤪😱
Through no fault of his own, the bootlegging continued and thrived well into the 1990s . Sure look at the smirks of the record shop owners in the video , contempt . Fortunately for them, they are long out of the retail trade .
Record company's would bootleg their own artist to get all 100% royalties instead of 90%. Yeah, what creeps they are.
This is a great documentary!👏👍☝️🖐👌
He's even fought. And confronted the man selling unauthorized posters of the band at Madison Square garden in 1973
Amazing footage thank you for posting
Peter Grant should be inducted into the RRHOF. Managers should be recognized. This would get LZ reunited on stage for the event.
The only person who would appear would be Jimmy Page
LZ can not be reunited, ever, for any reason. The band died along with Bonham.
@@bkrbyex4339 Too late even for Jimmy, I think.
Screw the RRHOF, I prefer Johnny rotten view as these people at the RRHOF aren't music fans ,there corporate people,music executives etc. Look at the terrible concerts that have been there. Check out the crowd. Everyone's in suits, probably never bought a concert ticket for 30 years what a load of BS.
@@jamesw4895 Not a lot of value in Johnny Rotten's 'views', but he's definitely correct in this case.
WOW at 1:47 you can see Nick Drake's second album bryter layter
which at the time of release 1971, was not a big seller. It took people time to understand what a great musician he was, unfortunately after his untimely death.
Really cool observation man
Yes i saw that amazing
The record companies only cared about their own money, not about the artists. By the way, Grateful Dead actually were glad to have their concerts recorded by their fans. They didn't go bankrupt because of the thousands of recordings out there. They were also the top grossing concerts for years.
Led Zeppelin had the top grossing concerts and the biggest crowds.
Grateful dead didn’t have the record sales that other bands had !
No one outside California and a few hardcore pockets of the rest US wanted to actually buy their shit . Not comparable ! Much of their music was dross to the general public unless they wanted to be drugged up all of the time
They lived on touring, a lot , which is easier for US bands in the US compared to European groups
They authorised bootlegging for personal use only .
Love the little snatch of “Echoes” and John Lennon’s “bagism” stunt! Ahh, the 70’s, dontcha love it!
I did!
Echoes what a great song that whole album top notch.
The Nile Song too.
@@standandeliver8376 “More” is one of my favourite Floyd LP’s. That, and “Obscured By Clouds”!
Grant literally used his hand to squeeze and break the bones in the forearm of a record shop owner who didn't give up the bootleg albums fast enough.
He had little choice. Fair due to him
Anyone interested in Peter Grant and his life, and mostly his life with Zep, his book
is "Bring it on Home". I'm 3/4 done with the Audible version and it's fascinating!
"Blueberry Hill" was my first boot. Years later, just weeks after seeing Zeppelin in '75 some guy (still dunno who)... handed me 4 cassette tapes with both Seattle shows from '75 on them. FULL shows... damn good sound. The 3-21-75 show is widely available on TH-cam... but not the 3-17-75 show (?) Has to be somewhere. I put it on Napster !
Napster !... Napster and Dial up, good old days them
If u want 3.17.75 lmk
6:20 the pause gives away everything
This instantly put me in mind of Eric Idle's narrator/reporter in The Rutles mockumentaries!
I want to put in a word for bootlegs. I know they are not approved by the band and there is no revenue going back to the artist but as a Pink Floyd fan (you hear Pink Floyd in the background of this documentary) I have bought many Pink Floyd bootlegs on record and CD but I already have a full collection of their official catalogue. The value of the bootleg album gives the listener an insight to the live performance of a band and Pink Floyd improvised a lot on their live performances which makes the bootlegs really amazing to listen to. Fat Old Sun, a track on the 1970 album Atom Heart Mother becomes a 20 minute epic masterpiece on the John Peel Paris Theatre sessions. Oakland May 9th 1977, Hollywood Bowl September 22 1972 are but a few of really defining Pink Floyd moments that would be lost forever if it not for the bootleggers.
Yes, i agree with every Word You say'd.... Without these illegal Fan Recording's, maybe a lott of verry important Moment's in the Rock History being lost Moment's.....We can be verry glad, that People had tryed to do Recordings of these Concert's , such Concert's as Example like Led Zeppelin's LIVE ON BLUEBERRY HILL , Led Zeppelin's EARLSCOURT, Led Zeppelin's LISTEN TO THIS EDDIE, Led Zeppelin's FOR BADGEHOLDERS ONLY, or Led Zeppelin's TEXAS POP FESTIVAL 1969, or LIVE AT FILLMORE WEST 27.4.1969, or finaly KNEBWORTH 1979 and the last Concert of the Band ever BONZOS LAST STAND BERLIN 7.7.1980.....and, and, and....
Millon's of Musiclover's are grateful for the Taper's Work and they'r Effort to freese this Moment's in Time for Eternity ..... And Yes, that Recording's still excist til today..... From time to time, some unheard Tape appear's.....
GOD SAFE THE TAPER'S
"he prefers to be in a bag today"
Oh wow, the first time I saw this I don't know how I didn't realise that was *the* Virgin Records store and the manager telling all is Richard Branson 😂
What a video, so many great moments.
I listen to The bootlegs on my The stereo through The speakers. Best way to hear The Led Zeppelin.
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Weren't Pink Floyd known as The Pink Floyd early in their career.
@@johnebejer The Pink Floyd Sound. A few other names as well. The T-Set. The Abdabs, The Screaming Abdabs. There may be a few I've left off...
Much like this guy though I think people called them 'the' Pink Floyd at times. As well as many thinking pf and lz were a single man. I remember hearing the name led zeppelin when I was a little boy, and I assumed it was a guy's name, lol.
I love Grant's late 60's and early 70's handlebar mustache before he grew his beard by 1973. Dude looked an absolute badass from head to feet. He could give everybody a funny but creepy straight stare into your face when he was alive.
Interviewer: What if you could obtain an exact duplication of the master recording via a wireless medium and not pay a cent? Or record a live concert with better then broadcast quality video and high fidelity audio from a device that could fit in your pocket?
Peter Grant : Stay off the psychedelics son.
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Peter Grant looks like someone I wouldn't want to be mad at me. Really!
Peter Grant....greatest manager in rock and roll. Guy did so many things right.
But I think his only major folly was going after people recording Zep shows.
It's unfortunate that Zep didn't take the approach that the Grateful Dead did. Let people record their shows but ask them to not sell bootlegs.
Nearly every Zep show is available after a certain point, but some of the recording quality of the shows are atrocious. It would be nice for those of us who were too young to have been there to be able to hear more Zep.
It's not like there's a lot of official live Zep available. Half dozen shows or so? I don't think the concert bootlegs would have interfered with Zeps money making abilities when it came to selling records. If anything, boots would make the band more desirable and more people would buy their official releases.
Now, bootlegging official albums.....that's bad news. I'm glad he was after people that did that. The story of the Beatles record that was stolen is a bad one. People can be real scummy.
6:47 - Peter Grant is a GANGSTER!
Was, he is dead. He might have been rough around the edges and had links and learned from Don Arden , but , he did treat his bands well . Not the same as other groups and their managers , whether due to their drug habits (The Who 2nd manager fleeced them ) ; or being out of their depth and being too keen on their own persona ( Brian Epstein and the Beatles ) or ineptitude and lack of experience (Rolling Stones first manager ) or just being general scum (Klein ex manager of the Stones and Beatles )
This clip is a bootleg. We know what you do. So it is cool. We like what Yoko says. Power to the people. People like Yoko!
Does she not look cute here, next to Johnny in a bag?
@@ottowes No yes?
The funny thing was , all the people who purchased the bootlegs, went to the concerts, purchased every album and single anyway! If anything the bands that were popular on bootlegs benefited greatly as time went on...it's the only time Peter Grant made a mistake, he actually should've encouraged it!
but the thing was that he didnt want to reveal the bands' live tricks and wanted to be unexpected and unheard that's why he didn't want bootlegs
Nope. I'd say that title goes to the Grateful Dead
Yes if they were so stressed about losing money through bootleg sales all they had to do was record the live shows through the mixing board pop in the studio remix overdub the errors and sell them themselves problem solved. Studio quality momento's of a live event you attended who wouldnt wanna buy it?
also keep the quality of releases up.I mean in todays climate bands are represented by phone films on you tube where the audio is completely overloaded and abysmal. There will be people casting judgement on an act from this. Also in the film they discuss stolen / backhanded master tapes. its a known thing that some masters are available online to do your own fan remixes. Really famous ones. The pain you feel when your masters are stolen seriously aches. I have experienced that ache. So in a way Peter Grant was right to do his best to keep the lid on the quality of output. I don't think the money was really it, they had enough of it coming in. @@DiamonthdP
Peter Grant's biggest mistake in my opinion was not taking the route of having Led Zeppelin recorded live professionally and subsequently releasing an official live album sooner than "The Song Remains the Same". Jimmy Page ultimately rectified that with "The Way the West Was Won", but the time that had elapsed before this occurred dampened the immediacy of the impact.
A Saturday visit to the record shops in Glasgow was amazing, 23rd Precinct and Listen were my go to places.... you could pick up all sorts of albums there.. long gone are the days of saving up your dough and jumping up to Glasgow on the train ...
We share very similar memories my friend. Loved the Listen stores and 23rd precinct...still have one of their yellow plastic bags..somewhere!
Oh the memories! I recall the Record Runner store near Syracuse University that sold bootleg records in the early 1970s. All the big names. Got a lot of Beatles boots there - I still have them! Although it was "you pay your money and you take your chances", when you got a good one it was so worth it!
"Power to the people." Indeed.
Power to the big hairy Yoko snatch...
@@stillnotwoke and still not smart.
The BBC gig in 1971 was my first Zeppelin bootleg (on reel to reel). Announcement on tape said it was from Syracuse University in 1971.😮
I saw Led Zeppelin Oakland 1977 the day Grant, Bonham and Richard Cole were arrested after the show
Peter Grant was a great manager… He changed the whole game in favor of the artists. But he did have a shortcoming not realizing they should’ve been taping every show professionally- hindsight is 2020.
Funny how Pink Floyd manager is just as weird as Pink Floyd.
So you didn't think John Lennon wearing a bag was weird?
Lennon: "it's not my bag, man".
Good man to have on your side 🥊✌🍻
At 9.50 does anyone know what guitar that is that dave gilmour is playing.
Aghh! I spent a $hitload of cash in the early 1980s on bootleg vinyl, now its all on YT.
The ironic thing is that although Peter Grant was so much against bootlegging, he did make deals for Zeppelin which meant they got a decent amount of money and weren't exploited. This was unusual in the music industry where labels and managers often fleeced the artists. For the first few years Queen were on £50 a week whilst their manager was buying flash cars.
I was born in the year this video was made. It's a different world now.
Jack Nelson was Queen's US manager and he was good but their UK managers The Sheffield Brothers were another story. Jack was interviewed for the 1995 Queen documentary Champions Of The World (authorized by the band) while the Sheffields were not.
Needs more shots of Beatles Live at Shea. :P
innocent days, now they would realise all we wanted was a magic moment where we can hear the musicians playing their instruments, if anything now it's funny, they are paid by live performance, rather than recordings, and yes we are interested in their recording rather than bootlegs that we can make ourselves anyhow.
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Pink Floyd’s manager couldn’t fit the group more perfectly. COME IN HERE DEAR BOY HAVE A CIGAR UR GONNA GO FARRRRR
He could have been Roger Waters big brother !
Where can I buy some of these
Can't help but think this would have made a great idea for a Monty Python scene! 😂
My thoughts exactly! Pissing myself here, he sounds like Eric Idle on The Rutles!
The bootlegging got on a Train called the Internet and didn't look back. I wouldn't be surprised if Peter Grant is trying to get out of his grave to summon his wrath.
9:23 RIP Nick you're truely missed
You mean Rick, Nick is still alive.
The bootleg thing is interesting, many reports pointed out that most of those who buy the bootleg concerts (sometimes just for one song ) are genuine fans who already buy the band’s material . I would have been at the end period of bootlegs and bought a few but always the live gigs and because of the addition of cover or a rare live song . Always bought their albums though, it was more for collection purposes .
I like how in the first half they play several tracks from Pink Floyd's "More" soundtrack in the background im the first half. Not their most well known album, and two of those tracks are uncharacteristically heavy.
In 1971 Pink Floyd wasnt big yet...Meddle and Obscured by clouds weren't even out yet...Much later the big stuff like dark side of the moon, wish you were here, animals, the wall...Meddle would release later that year
@@granddukeofmecklenburg actually Atom Heart Mother hit number one in the UK charts the previous year so they were pretty big by then, domestically at least. Which is funny because they hate that album. Obscured by Clouds and More were also big hits in France more than they were in the UK, presumably because of their French Film counterparts.
Sorry I've edited this comment about 10 times already, you may be getting some irregularities on the other end.
Mike Millard was famous for bootlegging Zeppelin, among other artists. He put his recording equipment on the bottom of a wheelchair, and rolled himself into the show. . .en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Millard
brilliant
That's great
Bootlegs are the life blood of the Grateful Dead community
Watching a bootleg about bootlegs. Fitting.
Would anyone know the name of the song playing in the background when the manager of the Virgin Records store is being interviewed (beginning at 2:31)? Thank you!
sail2byzantium “Cymbaline” by Pink Floyd.
Ahhhh! Thank you! I'm a huge Pink Floyd fan, but I've never listened to the More album, from which, as I now know, derives the song. Much appreciated, Mr. Morrissey!
Does anyone know the song playing in the background at 6:19 ?
What these clowns were doing is treating counterfeit STUDIO recordings the same as LIVE GIG recordings, when they are completely different things. A live gig comes and goes, any bootlegs will be nowhere as good as a pro recording. If an artist then releases a pro recording of that gig, then any bootlegs will be redundant and unsellable. This was the route Frank Zappa took with his "Beat The Boots" series of releases.
Frank realised the demand was there, so, instead of constantly griping about it, he did the smart thing and filled it!
Would be pretty cool to watch a movie of this
No
Only serious fans buy bootlegs....because they love the artists so much, and bought all the official releases....they'll buy bootlegs also....hasn't ever taken a dime from an artist....imo.
Edit....I'm talking strictly live, audience recorded bootlegs, not stolen masters or private demos.....
You couldn't convince Peter Grant of that!
Precisely!
I agree with you and also chances are if somebody wants some Master Tracks to get a better listen to isolated tracks which is why most of us desire those certainly those people myself included have bought dozens of the original copies of all their albums anyway so this really was much to do about nothing because to be honest most of the bootleg so I bought cost much more than the original albums anyway live or Studio recordings by the labels so this thing really is and has taken on a life of its own I understand somebody stealing Master Tracks as an artist I would be outraged that's pretty messed up if you're the artist but it would be nice if artists were a little more generous and sharing things like this for the people who really love and follow them and made them rich to begin with...
J'Mac ! Dumbfuck, the artist's own their music, so selling illegal recording''s of said music is fucking stealing you illiterate imbecillic moron, plus the quality of the product usually damages their status as artists. So basically STFU about what you know nothing about fool
Very True. In, fact, I thought the segment with Yoko saying, "Power to the people!" was kind of cool. Artists lose nothing by the sale of bootlegs, if anything, they may gain fans who may later go out and buy the official releases of the product. Like TH-cam videos, it's basically free advertisement. I'm strictly speaking of live concerts, though. Stealing from the master tapes is most definitely piracy!
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If Grant was alive today hed be outta his mind..people all bootleg every concert..rarely watch the live performances
I used to buy boots at that shop in Marlborough Court.... a loooong time ago.......
I seriously doubt that bootlegging hurts the musicians financially. They feel artistically slighted, I'm sure - the sound quality ranges from pretty good to absolutely awful - but I'm sure that those who buy bootlegs are the ones that have all of the legit releases, yours truly included. So there is nothing else to buy from the artist, plus I/they know that it wasn't produced using proper industry methodology/techniques so we know how to listen through rough sound. I/they just wanted the legendary Listen To This Eddie set from LA 1977. Both the performance (especially Bonham) and the sound quality (for a 1970's audience recording) are both A+. I have a few from Zeppelin and a few from Elton. Ever heard anything from his tours with just him and the piano? Incredible. We are all well aware of his fabulous voice and fantastic songwriting, but with out a backing band he simply plays more piano - A LOT MORE PIANO! Then one remembers "oh yeah, he attended The Royal Academy of Music."
At 10:15 we get to see the inside of the EMI tape library.
Imagine the wonderful time a music lover would have in there?
As much as things change, they still stay the same
The actual story I heard was that Peter Grant caught the bootleggers in Munich himself and threw them off the balcony before destroying the equipment personally. The cops did indeed arrest them after, because you dont mess with G. Period.
Great upload! What is the song at 13:30?
Sure, invite the cameras in, post boot info on the front window of your shop
and be totally out in the open about it. Those were the days, folks.
Well, over all thank God!! Fore Boot legs, if knot, we would knot have so many fantastic recordings.
If a band never plays the same way and only sells albums, I think it's only right that the boots bloom and I thank all the boots because since the royalties are strong and Zep's career is over, only the boots give us oxygen and I don't care how much it costs the band members, I think they are rich enough.
Very deffenition of what a manager, should be!he fought for what was best for "the band"!
Grant was a G.
"Do some of the groups empty heavies...."
SPEWED MY BOVRIL ON THAT ONE
No musician ever went broke or failed to get famous because of bootlegs.
A great and really interesting video but why the misleading title? There is much more to this video than Peter Grant.
I’m a Zeppelin fan so I highlight the Zeppelin content. Also, a TV interview of Grant is much rarer than Lennon et al.
Quality, Yoko and John (in a bag), could have been a scene from The Rutles.
Omg this is driving me crazy, does anyone know the song playing at 6:19?
Mack Mitchell It’s Pink Floyd’s “Ibiza Bar” from their fantastic “More” soundtrack album!
terrypussypower thanks I’ve discovered the song a couple of weeks ago and it’s an amazing Jam. Floyd could get pretty heavy
Mack Mitchell Yeah, too right! Both “More” and “Obscured By Clouds” had some real heavy jams!
The Destroyer set of Led Zep was good ,,you had to be carful what you bought ,,There was a Rateing system Anything below a 7 ,but usualy an 8 was good ,,I had friend who pressed this stuff in Wherehouse until BPI bust in 82 ,,Covers were so,so ,,when ,,CDs came on market ,,Everything Changed i have so many its funny once in Awhile i go back and play one ,,Great Memories ,,i still have alot but ,,Today no one of Younger gen Really cares About music Anymore ,,its Cellphones and a Humdrum boring life these Kids missed so much of Great music ERA ,,
It's always amusing when they refer to "THE Led Zeppelin". Very polite, very British.
So here Grant says that Blueberry Hill, the Zep bootleg was recorded through radio transmitters that went to a mobile recoding truck, which tells me that it was professional recorded by the mobile truck equipment
I think he was being a wise ass with that one.
Doesn't look like there was recording gear set up that night. You can usually tell by the microphones on the drumkit at shows in those days
What kind of guitar is Gilmour playing at 9:41?
an electric guitar.
@kevindlinc why does he ask then??
@@Taylor.Dude. thanks Jet
'He prefers to be in a bag today.' Don't we all sometimes? LOL.
Is the guy being interviewed at 2:40 a young Richard Branson? I know this store was his first foray into the Virgin business.
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@@standandeliver8376 ok,maybe not, but it’s HIS STORE. The sign at 2:32 says VIRGIN…smart ass.
Was that guy managing virgin records Richard Branson?
That newsman's car is fire....
volume is to low ..Soaring Raven soaringraven1
This Collins guy was quite a worm.
Of course this was 1971 and over 50 years have passed. I'm sure his encounter with Peter Grant probably terrified him.Peter had a reputation of not being nice or understanding to anyone he caught illegally selling Led Zeppelin merchandise or recordings.
Record companies released so little live material that bootlegging never hurt them at all. Crying over spilled milk like children is all.
I wonder how long the manager of Virgin in Carnaby Street stayed the manager of Virgin in Carnaby Street after this went out.
To this very day I suspect. Because that was Richard Branson head of Virgin!
Lol all I can say is thank fuck Peter didn't catch them all lol I'd die if I only had 3 live zep albums lol
Ditto........I have over 300 LZ LPs and over 400 CD sets.
google some of these people and they are still around.
peter grant was the best at verbal violence
Thank God for bootleg film and albums.
Today you'd wish someone would bootleg your show because that means somebody actually cares! This is when people cared so much about music that they would buy bootleg albums. Today the general public just listens to music passively.