The strange thing is, you can make a perfect copy of an AK-47 in 3D and use it in your game. Just call it BK-47 or anything other non copyrighted name.
@@skepticalbadger You can't, legally. Same with cars. You have to pay the company to use/show their product in your game. Ofc some rando indie game using the name AK47 is not the issue here, I'm talking about big companies. That's why CS 1.6 had CV-47 instead of AK-47. And ofc Mikhail Kalashnikov holds the trademark....
Bond: well I was wondering if you could get me some- Ian: Berthiers? Bond: what? No sir, I would like Ian: An original RSC? Bond: I don't mean to come across as rude but what I need is a small and easily concealable handgun, do you have any? Ian: Well I have some original Rubys in .32 ACP Bond: I'll just smuggle some pistols out of america then
Gaston Glock probably used his fury from seeing this abomination to fight off his assassins at that parking lot in Austria by imagining they were the designers.
@@chaegibson720 because usually firearms fanatics are fan of the the original feature of the gun, and usually, they hate an opposite kind of it. i know my explanation is a little confusing, so let me give you an example. AK fans and AR15 fans hate each other. AR15 fans brag about its "lego" capability, meaning, you can easily swap parts and easily add accessories. While AK fans brag AK with its simple, reliable design that doesnt need any attachment. This is why AK fans are hating on AK that is heavily accessorized, or as we put it"gucci-fied" , because their argument is "dont make an AK an M4" and on the other side of the line, AR15 fans are hating on heavily accessorized AK because their argument is "why would you modify AK like that if you like the design? you rather have an AR15" this is not everyone, just the fanatic ones.
it's like what happens when a TV show forces to characters together into a romantic relationship fans did not want and their offspring is the most unlikable asswhole who ruins it for everyone.
So much fail here... All that machining and engineering to create a mad chimera. Now I don't have to like the product to see that a lot of effort and skill went into making that gun. But my mind boggles when I see they then put what looks like a bargain basement extremely cheap and nasty tubular lock in the but of the pistol grip. What were they thinking? I mean they have to have put some thought into the aesthetics of the gun. They put a useless beaver tail on it just to make it look more like a 1911, and then they thought it was a great idea to install a chromed tubular lock that looks like it was ripped from an office desk drawer on it? For the moment let's just ignore that the idea of putting a lock on a gun is something very few people think is a good idea in the first place. How'd that go? OK, so it's hard to imagine, but just bear with it for a few seconds. Now imagine you are sitting in a meeting discussing the safety features of the gun and are talking about the lock. Now remember that you are trying to design a premium gun that will sell at a premium price to a select few who has the money and are interested in getting a gun with the grip and trigger action of a 1911 and the slide and hopefully reliability of a Glock. Now wouldn't it have made sense to use a lock that doesn't scream "office supplies"?
I mean, it might be the only safety that can kind of make sure that if a kid just randomly picks it up, it cannot shoot the gun. If you have that locked... but then... you can just lock it... somewhere else... like a safe... and still need a key... Yeaaah... i rest my case, it looks horrible and is practicaly useless.
We bought one of these over the counter back in the day. As I recall, it was ok with reliability, but we never really shook it down crazy hard to find out. What killed it for us was it was very uncomfortable at the back of the frame, working the safety. This is because it was a huge gun for only 10+1. I also recall the slide serrations sucked rocks. Not really useable. And we worried about mags, the gun lock failing, and overall support. So it was dumped. Didn’t know how rare it was. Hell! That example might have been ours!!! Regards, Marky
@@kgkbuugj InRange TV would be the main one, th-cam.com/users/InrangeTvShow There may be others, but there is a the occasional crossover as well, for example I seem to remember something with The_Chieftain.
Having worked as a machinist primarily in aerospace for 25-plus years, the comparison between the engineering disciplines you spoke about is absolutely true. Jet engines/airframes have to function in a much more controlled environment/use-case than firearms do.
Lighter material has less mass for its volume, I believe. Since mass is practically equivalent to inertia, and slide inertia is what keeps the action closed on blowback action, the weight is critical. Lighter material simply means it's larger for it's weight.
@@edgarburlyman738 Hi-Point slides are heavy _because_ they're blowback. The mass is what resists the pressure long enough for the pressure to drop to safe levels. The (rare) centerfire blowbacks you see are all _delayed_ blowbacks, using rollers or something to slow the lightweight slide. Hi-Points are actually kind of genius. The creator, in Detroit, said "Hey, there's all this die-casting equipment around here for cars, I bet I could design a gun that'd be really cheap to make with it." And he did. Fixed barrel, molded plastic lower, die cast slide, a couple springs, a trigger, and a mag. Dead simple, very cheap, very reliable, very tough, surprisingly accurate...and annoyingly top-heavy.
Looks like a gun custom made special police unit and used in a viral outbreak caused by a multinational pharmaceutical corporation when they try to create a living weapon.
The old Police dept that we had here got one for T&E. A couple of guys had NDs with their Glocks. So the Township supervisors put in a manual safety rule. They went with the S&W MP. Less than a year later the Chief, Lt, and Sgt were all brought up on Federal drug charges and the dept folded. I wonder what happened to it
I met Bill in the early 2000’s. I’ve had a couple of his pistols, one made to my specs (combat sights, lighter trigger spring and finish). Interchangeable 45 ACP and 40 SW, both work well. Very few issues, ramp polishing mainly. It’s pretty accurate too. Bill’s intent was to get a military contract which didn’t work out. My only regret was not buying the 10mm upper and magazines.
While there probably was a reason behind fictional guns, they felt especially strange after seeing and using actual weapons in every other game, hearing legit gun enthusiast talk between characters about real firearms (such as the amazing conversations between Snake and Sigint), reading about them in their menu descriptions, etc. But hey, I guess made-up guns fit the whole big ass ruse vibe of MGSV lol
@@cgi2002 Likewise ... In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing it, with a Lone Wolf Slide, plus one of their threaded barrels, and dust cap; a rectangular, Osprey, suppressor; and Trijicon Tough & Bright night sights, plus one of theirs RMR sights, as well. In fact, I wonder if extending the whole thing to 8", would add anything extra to that gun, if the company really wanted to go out on limb with, as a commentator named it, the 'Glockteen - Eleven" ...
It's like mixing Toyota with Alfa Romeo, you're hoping for a car that looks like an Alfa and is reliable like a Toyota. But sadly often you end up with a Toyota looking car and randomly catches fire.
@@ronaldlollis8895 One fine day with a woof and a purr, a baby was born and cause a little stir. No blue buzzard, no three eyed frog. It's a canine-feline, little catdog...
The idea was to stop curious *children.* Like, toddlers, pre-schoolers, and kindergarteners. The funny thing is that you can do that pretty well by just not loading the gun, as any kid who has the intelligence and problem-solving abilities to load a firearm is smart enough to be taught gun safety. The only thing those locks would have accomplished if anyone ever actually used them would be to make some poor bastard's last words "Shit, where's the key?"
I like the idea of a metal-frame, striker-fired pistol, and it seems like there is renewed interest in the concept recently, with the Hudson H9, the Walther Q5 SF and Q4 SF, and the SIG-Sauer P320 AXG Scorpion. Hudson didn’t make it, but that seems like it was due to quality control issues more than lack of interest.
@@krockpotbroccoli65 Bro you need to calm down, its just a gun. There's nothing inherently more monstrous, horrible, or goofy about this gun than any other, except that lock.
XS big dot sights. They were kind of the rage amongst certain crowds back then (and in some places, still are), but IMHO they only really work on a shotgun or a big-bore stopping rifle.
But...but...but...a .45ACP qualifies as a big bore stopping pistol....so.....🤷 It may not be .454 Casull Grizzly bear 🐻 stopping power, but hit something in the right place with it.......just sayin’.....
I remember when these were introduced. I was right out of high school working at a gunshop not far from where these were being manufactured. A few were consigned and a few local Seattle area shops had ONE in stock, as a reference, just to get publicity, but NONE ever sold. People looked at them like a train wreck. Remember this was 1995 when 1911 and HK USP ruled. These were well made, featured a nice linear 1911 style 5-7 pound trigger, but a failure. It's great they made it to production, but it never caught on with the public or law enforcement community. Thank you for the video. Brings back memories I was blessed growing up in such a innovative area. Seattle is home to Detonics, Rainier Arms, AeroPrecisionusa.com, Zev, Mega, Oly Arms, AeroTec, Fortis, and many more. It was great having the opportunity to work for these companies and meet some of the people behind these brands
Nah, the Hudson was much better executed. The only part of the Hudson that feels weird is the trigger because it's hinged at the bottom, and that's just "weird" not bad. Otherwise, grip feels good, trigger *pull* is good, muzzle doesn't flip much, etc. Where Hudson screwed up was announcing the aluminum frame before their steel frames were selling enough to pay the bills. I was going to buy a Hudson but decided to wait until the aluminum frame was out because I don't want a third all steel pistol.
I imagine the titanium-slide version would've had weighted steel inserts on the inside of the slide (most likely as part of the breech assembly) to add mass for cycling. I'm almost positive that it was offered for durability and corrosion-resistance reasons, rather than for the lighter weight. Plus it's just the single most tactical gun ever. "Guys, come check out my titanium-and-polymer Glockteen11!"
Actually steel is stronger than titanium. The thing with titanium is that its very light for its strength and very resistant to erosion. Also its heat resistant and doesnt conduct electicity. Edit: the electricity thing is wrong also its only the modulus of elasticity that´s higher with steel.
@Hexxer Gaming I dunno if you're sarcastic or not, it's just the HERESY of combining the ol' reliable 1911 with the plastic gun. And no, I am not actually mad. HERESY!!! was just my first thought when reading the title.
What *should* happen when a Glock and a 1911 love each other very much is a polymer frame and double stack magazine under a 1911 slide. That'd actually be an improvement. I suppose that a Glock style barrel may also be an improvement in terms of machining (less things to cut). But this? 🤮
As a former aerospace engineer, I can say that Ian's comment regarding "an engineer assumes that the components interacting with your thing are going to be as well made as your thing" is totally spot on but not for the reason but not for the reason he insinuates. Yes, manufacturing practice within the aerospace industry requires extremely high quality for *some* parts. It seemed to me at the time that laziness and an overreliance on high quality manufacturing (i.e. holding unnecessarily tight tolerances) has perpetuated this myth.
Love how you touched on the ammunition compatibility with firearms manufacturing, not what a lot of people think about. But if you're cool, well engineered and designed firearm doesn't cycle nearly 100% of ammunition nearly 100% of the time the good luck at trying to sale it for dirt cheap or even at all.
Later on that same table: "This is the Lockpicking Lawyer, and I've got something a little different for you this time. At first glance, this looks more like a Glock than a lock, but in fact it's equal parts both..."
I could see the use of a titanium slide that's weighted to the proper mass with lead or tungsten inserts in the nose, probably in the 'corners' up above the barrel.
Yeah, saved one of the *worst* features of the 1911 (the grip safety, although a fixed beavertail wouldn't be a *bad* idea, especially a slightly more moderate one), and took one of the finest triggers and mated it to a striker system that has an even worse trigger pull than a Glock. It's like you combined the Swedish Bikini Team and Victoria's Secret and ended up with Quasimodo in a thong...
The frame not being polymer isn't really an issue, as it does shoot better with the added mass. Many companies are going back to steel framed options for a reason. The issue is it is a steel frame, pretending to be a polymer, and just looking ugly and uncomfortable. Seriously, why didn't he just put a 1911/2011 frame on the damn thing with customizable grips.
You guys nailed it. When I heard Glock/1911 ,I thought a Glock with a really first rate trigger. If they really did it right it would have a single stack nice thin ergonomic grip like a 1911 but no grip safety. Use as many off the shelf Glock parts. No extra dodads. They managed to get the worst parts of both guns.
Interesting. I think my path may have crossed with them on one or two occasions back around 2002-2003. My college class took some courses in a building they were doing R&D work out of in south Auburn. It's also interesting that you posted this as I am contemplating making a novel pistol design myself right now. It's an ambitious project and I can't afford to fail. So, stuff to think about.
There is a subset of the aerospace industry that would be familiar with rugged, rough-tolerance engineering - the designers of STOL and bush planes would have similar considerations. It is a niche segment these days, but the An-2, and the DeHavilland Canada STOL planes (Beaver, Otter, Caribou, Buffalo, etc.) did have to be sturdy and reliable enough to operate in the remote north with 1950's engineering while allowing for some degree of field-expedient repair in the taiga or tundra.
I honestly love this design! Which is why I got the hudson H9 when it came out. Sadly Hudson went under and I am hopeful a company comes along and gives the H9 a reboot!!!
The real unsung hero in this is the gun the magazine for this was originally intended for. The Wtiness line of guns (now rebranded to Defiant) made by Tanfoglio. Double stack magazines for 45, 38 super, 10mm in a very ergonomic CZ "evolution" pistol. Caliber convertible to the 3 I mentioned and 9mm and 40 S&W, in the same frame.
I almost bought this back in 2002. I settled for a Para-Ordnance p14/45. Then I bought a Bul5 ,same as the Wilson Polymer 10 and similar Kimber model.
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At least the lock is not a crappy wafer lock, but tubular pin tumbler locks (with some exceptions) are nowadays easily opened with impressioning tools (see e.g. @LockPickingLawyer videos).
Lot 457 in the December 2019 Premier Firearms Auction is one which should definitely be looked at. One of the first forty contract 1911s produced at Colt. There is also a couple of pre-production Union Switch & Signal 1911s.
I expect so. I've never had the chance to examine the rear end of G21 and G23 slides or frames side-by-side, but I suspect that the part in question needs to be located slightly differently in .45ACP than in .40S&W.
@@MikeDCWeld Just for the heck of it I tired a 19 slide on a 21 frame and it stops about the same place as in the video. I'm pretty sure a gen 1, 2, or 3 Glock upper would fit and function on this frame. Though the Spectre uses different mags so maybe the feed ramp on the barrel could be different or the breech face where it pushes a round out of the magazine. But a Glock 19/23 upper would never work on it.
7:51 As far as a titanium slide is concerned, you could maybe achieve similar delay to a steel slide by redesigning the short-recoil system so that the barrel and slide travel backwards together for a longer distance, but that seems like it would take a lot of redesign for other components, especially the frame, and you might see accuracy and reliability suffer as a result. It would also lead to some issues (assuming that the barrel is steel) with the area of the slide where it contacts the barrel at the front of the ejection port would wear out a lot more quickly. surface hardness is generally not titanium's strong suit. You would have to either carbidize that region or insert a steel bearing surface, which both add cost. Also, not to be pedantic, but titanium alloys tend to be weaker than high-strength steels in an absolute sense, using the typical convention of load/area to define stress, but they do usually have higher strength to mass ratios. I can't think of much benefit to a titanium slide other than reduced overall weight, but that would be much better achieved by using a polymer frame. I'd expect higher felt recoil from the lower mass, and probably a much higher unit cost since titanium alloys are such a pain to machine.
It can easily be done. It can even be easily done *well* at home if you have a Glock or some other Plastic Fantastic (filing a tactile notch in plastic that looks good and is just deep enough for the purpose is pretty easy.)
@@ScottKenny1978 30 seconds with a small hand file. You really only need it to be about a thumbnail thickness deep. Why risk compromising the integrity of the trigger guard by doing anything deeper?
The loading bar bugged out, and when I took an off look at it, it showed the video was nearly done before he got to the weird lock at the bottom. Glad it wasn't.
I found one of these used. No thumb safety. I actually liked it but the logo fell out of the grip and the lock in the mainspring housing caused major function issues. I traded it and saw it later at a pawn shop in a non functional condition. I do still have the functional EAA Witness .45 that I got before it. I guess a browning high power modified to a double action by CZ, and cloned by Italians was better than aerospace engineers trying to build a safer Glock/1911 collaboration.
Ian, Glock and 1911 shooter here! Those are XS Big Dot sights, not HEINE Big Dot sights. XS sights are real popular on glock slides. Also, when it comes to the Glock striker, the various Gens changed several things but they did NOT change the striker. (Ex: I own a Glock 21 Gen 4 as my duty pistol. They improved the recoil spring and guide rod on the Glock 21, but did not change the striker.) The Gen 5 Glock 17 is in fact a different striker, however, so that might actually fit.
I think there's a brilliant design in that. I think the grip isn't one of them, but that little notch, that feedback to say 'the trigger is right behind this mark', is brilliant. It's simple, it's minor, it's just a bit of material, but the information it can give a shooter, that is hard to put a value on. Plus, dare I say it, might even help in stressful situations, under the clock. A simple touch and you just 'know'.
There was another 1911 copy made in this time period, I believe it was called the Evolution or some such. It was marketed primarily via email. It was only available in .40 or 9mm, and looked like someone tried to apply stealth aircraft technology to a 1911. I have been unable to find any mention of of this pistol anywhere since; it is a mystery just like the Neumann 10 gauge shotguns that used to be sold in the back of American Rifleman. I have never been able to find any other reference to either, nor an example anywhere.
Regarding steel vs. titanium, the weight savings typically winds up being only around 20%. The reason is that you can't easily take advantage of the enhanced strength because the design dictates the form. The weight savings from titanium comes both from lower density and being able to use less material to achieve the same tensile strength, but with something like a pistol slide where it has to meet certain predefined dimensions, you can't readily do that. If you designed the gun from the ground up to use a titanium slide, you can certainly save some real weight, but invariably anything that's simply a 1 for 1 conversion is only a minor weight savings.
@@dex6147 That may be, but what I said still applies. The weight savings isn't going to be substantial. They may reduce the weight further by skeletonizing parts of it, but they're not going to save a lot.
You're telling me that they wanted to combine the best qualities of the Glock and the 1911 so they... kept the grip safety of the 1911 and the takedown method of the Glock? That is the one thing I dislike about the former combined with one of the things I dislike most about the latter.
Looks like a Gun from a video game that was designed not to infringe firearm copyrights
The strange thing is, you can make a perfect copy of an AK-47 in 3D and use it in your game. Just call it BK-47 or anything other non copyrighted name.
@@TuRmIx96 who holds the "AK-47" trademark currently?
@@TuRmIx96 You can call it AK-47, and most games do. No IP issues there.
@@TuRmIx96 as long as you don’t call it a brand name AK47.
@@skepticalbadger You can't, legally. Same with cars. You have to pay the company to use/show their product in your game. Ofc some rando indie game using the name AK47 is not the issue here, I'm talking about big companies. That's why CS 1.6 had CV-47 instead of AK-47. And ofc Mikhail Kalashnikov holds the trademark....
This would just be called "pistol" in a videogame.
And it shoots pistol bullets
@@ENKTDeeColon_and_randomnumbers From a clip.
And a super-long stick magazine would give you +5 bullets.
Aren't you a real boy, Hubert Cumberdale?
In PS3 or 360 game...
Bond: Hey, you’re not Q.
Ian: I’m his replacement, now what French gun do you want?
Good thing Manurhin made Walther PPs
Bond: well I was wondering if you could get me some-
Ian: Berthiers?
Bond: what? No sir, I would like
Ian: An original RSC?
Bond: I don't mean to come across as rude but what I need is a small and easily concealable handgun, do you have any?
Ian: Well I have some original Rubys in .32 ACP
Bond: I'll just smuggle some pistols out of america then
@@londonjolly9174 I wish they made Makarovs, personally a better gun.
@@londonjolly9174 Manurhin PP sounds like something else when you say it out loud.
@@Treblaine I think any name mixed with PP when said out loud will always cause a reaction
That’s the kinda gun the Spartans would toss off a cliff for not being normal
Lmao!
Hahahaa First laugh of the day and it was a good one !! : ))
Absolutely best single sentence synopsis of this pistol possible.
I am stealing this joke to be adapted to different situations. Time to go to the orphanage!
A Spartan would toss it off a cliff and pick off a Covenant soldier with it.
And John Moses Browning looked upon his beloved work and said "wtf?"
Gaston Glock probably used his fury from seeing this abomination to fight off his assassins at that parking lot in Austria by imagining they were the designers.
Look how they massacred my boy
Was ist das?
The Journey Ahead I'm sure he would say "WTH" What the hell. He was a Mormon after all.
@@davidcollis4758 I'm not apart of the pc crowd.
"Suprisingly, no magazine safety..."
Alchemy Arms guys: "I knew we forgot something."
That one R&D guy at Alchemy. If only we had added the magazine safety, it woulda sold
So the Glockteen11 isn't just a meme. Okay then.
Ahh you beat me to it hahaha 😄
Gun Jesus has expanded ur wisdom
Glock 19-11
Reality can be stranger than fiction
Make the meme, but use a picture of this gun. At least someone will claim meme magic.
“You got your Glock in my 1911! You got your 1911 in my Glock!”
'70's and '80's kids rock!
LOOOL
Nice! Retro commit that rocks!
I'm officer Spectre, what happened here?!
@@TPDManiacXC626oh.. youre both dead
Spectre, where 1911 fans and glock fans will put their differences aside to show hate on this
Its like an Early Hudson 9.
What why it’s beautiful
@@chaegibson720 because usually firearms fanatics are fan of the the original feature of the gun, and usually, they hate an opposite kind of it. i know my explanation is a little confusing, so let me give you an example.
AK fans and AR15 fans hate each other.
AR15 fans brag about its "lego" capability, meaning, you can easily swap parts and easily add accessories.
While AK fans brag AK with its simple, reliable design that doesnt need any attachment.
This is why AK fans are hating on AK that is heavily accessorized, or as we put it"gucci-fied" , because their argument is "dont make an AK an M4"
and on the other side of the line, AR15 fans are hating on heavily accessorized AK because their argument is "why would you modify AK like that if you like the design? you rather have an AR15"
this is not everyone, just the fanatic ones.
@@Seth9809 hmmm... maybe a little... hudson 9, while having a blocky slide still looks a lot like 1911.
it's like what happens when a TV show forces to characters together into a romantic relationship fans did not want and their offspring is the most unlikable asswhole who ruins it for everyone.
Hey, that looks alright, seems like a fun quirky-
"Tubular lock on the mainspring housing"
OH MY GOODNESS
So much fail here... All that machining and engineering to create a mad chimera. Now I don't have to like the product to see that a lot of effort and skill went into making that gun. But my mind boggles when I see they then put what looks like a bargain basement extremely cheap and nasty tubular lock in the but of the pistol grip. What were they thinking? I mean they have to have put some thought into the aesthetics of the gun. They put a useless beaver tail on it just to make it look more like a 1911, and then they thought it was a great idea to install a chromed tubular lock that looks like it was ripped from an office desk drawer on it?
For the moment let's just ignore that the idea of putting a lock on a gun is something very few people think is a good idea in the first place. How'd that go? OK, so it's hard to imagine, but just bear with it for a few seconds. Now imagine you are sitting in a meeting discussing the safety features of the gun and are talking about the lock. Now remember that you are trying to design a premium gun that will sell at a premium price to a select few who has the money and are interested in getting a gun with the grip and trigger action of a 1911 and the slide and hopefully reliability of a Glock. Now wouldn't it have made sense to use a lock that doesn't scream "office supplies"?
I was also confused about how I felt about this pistol until he got to the tubular lock, that cemented it into the yuck category.
I mean, it might be the only safety that can kind of make sure that if a kid just randomly picks it up, it cannot shoot the gun. If you have that locked... but then... you can just lock it... somewhere else... like a safe... and still need a key... Yeaaah... i rest my case, it looks horrible and is practicaly useless.
The Lock Picking Lawyer will be along shortly to do a review.
Opened with a ball point pen body in under 5 seconds
I was thinking exactly that.
There is a roll pin holding the lock with both ends visible. Perfect for a hinge pin removal tool.
“Here’s the paper clip that Bosnian Bill and I bent”
The crossover we've all been waiting for
Next: a Desert Eagle slide on a Walther PPK. Without any scaling.
Should work fine. .
50AE?? Lol
Part of me wants to call this a better looking hi-point for some reason
The pistol version of Big Head Mode
@@acoolerhandle Cursed
There's a Fallout 4 mod that has a DEagle slide on IIRC a makarov. It's bundled in the bulldog revolver mod.
Sorcery Arms: Wraith (a SCAR and derringer hybrid no one needs but everyone deserves)
Something like this abomination
th-cam.com/video/CI7XLFN-hD4/w-d-xo.html
@@LightningNC I would totally not be surprised if Serbu hadn't already done it, if only for the LOLZ.
@@geodkyt Actually he sort of did, the BFG-50 being a single shot anmat
There's at least 1 legit .308 pistol already thanks.
We bought one of these over the counter back in the day. As I recall, it was ok with reliability, but we never really shook it down crazy hard to find out.
What killed it for us was it was very uncomfortable at the back of the frame, working the safety. This is because it was a huge gun for only 10+1.
I also recall the slide serrations sucked rocks. Not really useable. And we worried about mags, the gun lock failing, and overall support. So it was dumped.
Didn’t know how rare it was. Hell! That example might have been ours!!!
Regards,
Marky
Whatever Ian said in the start of the video made my furniture start floating
Really? I’ve got a weird half goat man in the corner
My dog started standing on 2 legs and reciting backwards bible passages
I'm still trying to figure out what he said
@@bluecaptainIT I think it’s “Specta. Well we can’t all be geniuses can we?” In the worst accent I’ve ever heard.
Really? I just had a few thousand sheep teleport in my vicinity. They're flying around, too. Interesting stuff.
This looks like an paintball pistol from a brand that doesn't have the rights to any existing design
I just pulled out a Core ZX. Can confirm. It's like they're twins.
As someone who did airsmith work on a number of mag fed paintball pistols, I can confirm.
Also - fuck magfed paintball markers.
You're a very hard working man, and we all appreciate the amount of time and effort you put into this channel (and others)
He has other channels?
@@kgkbuugj InRange TV would be the main one, th-cam.com/users/InrangeTvShow
There may be others, but there is a the occasional crossover as well, for example I seem to remember something with The_Chieftain.
"Alchemy Arms Spectre" sounds like a gun from a fictional universe that has both magic and modern firearms.
Arcanum?
that's a great idea for a video game
A handgun for the Elric brothers. 😉
Mechanically weak, but no spellcasting failure chance and high enchanting compatibility.
Ah, the old adage: "How do you turn a billionaire into a millionaire? Ask him to develop a new firearm."
Or get him into motorsports
Or pro wrestling in the 21st century
Or farming
Or the airline business...
@@trooperdgb9722 Don't say that man I'm only just getting my pilot's licence :'v
(it's true tho)
Someone get the LockPickingLawyer on the line, he can finally combine his love of locks and guns in one convenient package.
I bet he can open that safety lock in 30 seconds.
was it a G lock?
This gun could be described as a combination Glock. 😎
@@tuongtran4862, or less.
Thought LPL as soon as I heard "tubular lock". ;)
"Alchemy Arms", "Spectre"
Sounds good, doesn't look like it.
I was waiting for someone to comment on how plain that thing looked.
Still looks better than a stock Glock.
It's vice versa imo
@@ramdom_assortment debatable
Don't insult the gun of Casper the friendly Ghost
Tubular lock built into the firearm itself?
Paging LockPickingLawyer and BosnianBill
Having worked as a machinist primarily in aerospace for 25-plus years, the comparison between the engineering disciplines you spoke about is absolutely true. Jet engines/airframes have to function in a much more controlled environment/use-case than firearms do.
HiPoint: “The Spectre is a good start but the slide isn’t big enough”
*Referring to only the looks, not the action
@@edgarburlyman738 Your physics are way off.
Lighter material has less mass for its volume, I believe. Since mass is practically equivalent to inertia, and slide inertia is what keeps the action closed on blowback action, the weight is critical. Lighter material simply means it's larger for it's weight.
@@edgarburlyman738 Hi-Point slides are heavy _because_ they're blowback. The mass is what resists the pressure long enough for the pressure to drop to safe levels. The (rare) centerfire blowbacks you see are all _delayed_ blowbacks, using rollers or something to slow the lightweight slide.
Hi-Points are actually kind of genius. The creator, in Detroit, said "Hey, there's all this die-casting equipment around here for cars, I bet I could design a gun that'd be really cheap to make with it." And he did. Fixed barrel, molded plastic lower, die cast slide, a couple springs, a trigger, and a mag. Dead simple, very cheap, very reliable, very tough, surprisingly accurate...and annoyingly top-heavy.
This thing looks like a generic starter pistol in a video game
A gun that was designed to NOT infringe on any copyright whatsoever
With all those lambda symbols you'd think its from Half Life.
Looks like a gun custom made special police unit and used in a viral outbreak caused by a multinational pharmaceutical corporation when they try to create a living weapon.
@@Joshua_N-A ooh I know that one, your talking about Super Mario Bros...
@@Joshua_N-A Sounds like Knack 2
The old Police dept that we had here got one for T&E. A couple of guys had NDs with their Glocks. So the Township supervisors put in a manual safety rule. They went with the S&W MP. Less than a year later the Chief, Lt, and Sgt were all brought up on Federal drug charges and the dept folded. I wonder what happened to it
Where was this at?
@@randoliof south west PA south of Pittsburgh
Logo almost looked like Lambda for HalfLife.
There are three "1"s in "1911."
Half-Life 3 confirmed
Glock1911 3 confirmed
“Are you a Glock or a 1911 guy?”
Me: “yes”
I think you accidentally called yourself a glock and m1911 instead of calling This gun that lol
I met Bill in the early 2000’s. I’ve had a couple of his pistols, one made to my specs (combat sights, lighter trigger spring and finish). Interchangeable 45 ACP and 40 SW, both work well. Very few issues, ramp polishing mainly. It’s pretty accurate too. Bill’s intent was to get a military contract which didn’t work out. My only regret was not buying the 10mm upper and magazines.
MUST BE A PRODUCT OF PEACE BUT UNFORTUNATELY PEACE WAS NEVER AN OPTION BETWEEN TWO FANBASE
If you want peace prepare for war, or so I have been told.
Bruh why are you yelling
@@WeencieRants sori caps lock bruh
@Waltzin' Matilda glock vs 1911 thing
@Waltzin' Matilda That's right, it won TWO WORLD WARS with it's 45 SOTPPING POWAH
Looks like something straight out of MGSV
Ah yeah i see what you mean. All those guns were quite strange.
While there probably was a reason behind fictional guns, they felt especially strange after seeing and using actual weapons in every other game, hearing legit gun enthusiast talk between characters about real firearms (such as the amazing conversations between Snake and Sigint), reading about them in their menu descriptions, etc. But hey, I guess made-up guns fit the whole big ass ruse vibe of MGSV lol
Strange it reminds me of Kendo customs from Resident Evil series.
" Shppeectuuur "
I’m not going to lie, it doesn’t look that bad.
I honestly wouldn't mind seeing how it shoots.
@@cgi2002
Likewise ...
In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing it, with a Lone Wolf Slide, plus one of their threaded barrels, and dust cap; a rectangular, Osprey, suppressor; and Trijicon Tough & Bright night sights, plus one of theirs RMR sights, as well.
In fact, I wonder if extending the whole thing to 8", would add anything extra to that gun, if the company really wanted to go out on limb with, as a commentator named it, the 'Glockteen - Eleven" ...
This is a perfect example of why you can't please everyone
When form supersedes function
To many cooks in the kitchen
Just saying
Too many cooks will spoil the broth.
I wonder if the design can be simplified and made appealing...
Lock Picking Lawyer: watch me get into this with a starburst wrapper
This gun needs to appear in films and video games. it could be an ideal signature weapon for some characters.
a good companion rifle would be an ARAK-21 in 7.62x39mm
Black Lagoon...
This is the equivalent of engineering a dog/cat hybrid and expecting the fans to be interested
It's like mixing Toyota with Alfa Romeo, you're hoping for a car that looks like an Alfa and is reliable like a Toyota. But sadly often you end up with a Toyota looking car and randomly catches fire.
@@JCGver They tried that with Nissan. It was the Alfa Romeo Arna and it had Japanese styling with Italian mechanics.
It made for a crazy 😝 cat 🐈 dog 🐩 cartoon, so...great minds and all.....😂🤣😂🤣
@@ronaldlollis8895 One fine day with a woof and a purr, a baby was born and cause a little stir. No blue buzzard, no three eyed frog. It's a canine-feline, little catdog...
Ed...ward?
We need a cross-over video with the @LockPickingLawyer. Those tubular locks will not stop a curious teenager.
The idea was to stop curious *children.* Like, toddlers, pre-schoolers, and kindergarteners. The funny thing is that you can do that pretty well by just not loading the gun, as any kid who has the intelligence and problem-solving abilities to load a firearm is smart enough to be taught gun safety. The only thing those locks would have accomplished if anyone ever actually used them would be to make some poor bastard's last words "Shit, where's the key?"
A very promising concept. It's a real pitty it wasn't developed further.
@@krockpotbroccoli65 yes it is would like it to look more 1911 like though
I like the idea of a metal-frame, striker-fired pistol, and it seems like there is renewed interest in the concept recently, with the Hudson H9, the Walther Q5 SF and Q4 SF, and the SIG-Sauer P320 AXG Scorpion. Hudson didn’t make it, but that seems like it was due to quality control issues more than lack of interest.
@@krockpotbroccoli65 Bro you need to calm down, its just a gun. There's nothing inherently more monstrous, horrible, or goofy about this gun than any other, except that lock.
Tbh it is, a lot of ppl dont like glocks still bc of the polymer frame. Perhaps a market for them, ppl who like unique arms, & maybe more
@@kaylt.7864why don't people like polymer?
As an Aerospace Engineer who thoroughly enjoys Firearms, I really liked this spot on examination of the underlying engineering.
XS big dot sights. They were kind of the rage amongst certain crowds back then (and in some places, still are), but IMHO they only really work on a shotgun or a big-bore stopping rifle.
But...but...but...a .45ACP qualifies as a big bore stopping pistol....so.....🤷
It may not be .454 Casull Grizzly bear 🐻 stopping power, but hit something in the right place with it.......just sayin’.....
I remember when these were introduced. I was right out of high school working at a gunshop not far from where these were being manufactured. A few were consigned and a few local Seattle area shops had ONE in stock, as a reference, just to get publicity, but NONE ever sold. People looked at them like a train wreck. Remember this was 1995 when 1911 and HK USP ruled.
These were well made, featured a nice linear 1911 style 5-7 pound trigger, but a failure. It's great they made it to production, but it never caught on with the public or law enforcement community.
Thank you for the video. Brings back memories
I was blessed growing up in such a innovative area. Seattle is home to Detonics, Rainier Arms, AeroPrecisionusa.com, Zev, Mega, Oly Arms, AeroTec, Fortis, and many more. It was great having the opportunity to work for these companies and meet some of the people behind these brands
Crazy that Hudson would try and do this again and yield the same outcome. The whole history repeats itself thing strikes once more.
Nah, the Hudson was much better executed.
The only part of the Hudson that feels weird is the trigger because it's hinged at the bottom, and that's just "weird" not bad. Otherwise, grip feels good, trigger *pull* is good, muzzle doesn't flip much, etc.
Where Hudson screwed up was announcing the aluminum frame before their steel frames were selling enough to pay the bills. I was going to buy a Hudson but decided to wait until the aluminum frame was out because I don't want a third all steel pistol.
Found the Hudson H9 comment that I came looking for!
The Hudson had the low bore axis going for it, too. It was a good idea, poorly executed. This was a bad idea, poorly executed.
Had one of these, sent it back to get it updated and never saw it again...It was a good gun, very tight, and shot well....miss it.
I imagine the titanium-slide version would've had weighted steel inserts on the inside of the slide (most likely as part of the breech assembly) to add mass for cycling. I'm almost positive that it was offered for durability and corrosion-resistance reasons, rather than for the lighter weight. Plus it's just the single most tactical gun ever.
"Guys, come check out my titanium-and-polymer Glockteen11!"
Actually steel is stronger than titanium. The thing with titanium is that its very light for its strength and very resistant to erosion. Also its heat resistant and doesnt conduct electicity.
Edit: the electricity thing is wrong also its only the modulus of elasticity that´s higher with steel.
As someone who spent three years studying metallurgy. No.
@@ben501st I study mechatronics and this what i remembered from my metallurgy course, i might be wrong. Pls correct me^^
The title puts words in a sentence that I never want to see in a sentence again.😤
@Hexxer Gaming I dunno if you're sarcastic or not, it's just the HERESY of combining the ol' reliable 1911 with the plastic gun.
And no, I am not actually mad. HERESY!!! was just my first thought when reading the title.
What *should* happen when a Glock and a 1911 love each other very much is a polymer frame and double stack magazine under a 1911 slide. That'd actually be an improvement.
I suppose that a Glock style barrel may also be an improvement in terms of machining (less things to cut).
But this? 🤮
As a former aerospace engineer, I can say that Ian's comment regarding "an engineer assumes that the components interacting with your thing are going to be as well made as your thing" is totally spot on but not for the reason but not for the reason he insinuates.
Yes, manufacturing practice within the aerospace industry requires extremely high quality for *some* parts. It seemed to me at the time that laziness and an overreliance on high quality manufacturing (i.e. holding unnecessarily tight tolerances) has perpetuated this myth.
It’s cursed as all hell but I still want one
That’s not a cursed gun at all you donut 😂🤣
Love how you touched on the ammunition compatibility with firearms manufacturing, not what a lot of people think about. But if you're cool, well engineered and designed firearm doesn't cycle nearly 100% of ammunition nearly 100% of the time the good luck at trying to sale it for dirt cheap or even at all.
Specter: Has Lambda symbols printed on it.
Gordon Freeman: *Happy grin*
Later on that same table:
"This is the Lockpicking Lawyer, and I've got something a little different for you this time. At first glance, this looks more like a Glock than a lock, but in fact it's equal parts both..."
This is the handgun every kid draws in their note book during elementary school.
That aerospace machining precision really paid dividends in the fit and blend of that grip safety.
The irony is if that were a double stack 9mm released today, it probably would have sold a lot better.
and they won't be able to sell it in their own state. WA state has a ban on mags over 10 rounds..
I could see the use of a titanium slide that's weighted to the proper mass with lead or tungsten inserts in the nose, probably in the 'corners' up above the barrel.
"To combine the best features of the 1911 and the Glock.."
Crap trigger-pull.
Frame isn't polymer.
....what was the point again?
Yeah, saved one of the *worst* features of the 1911 (the grip safety, although a fixed beavertail wouldn't be a *bad* idea, especially a slightly more moderate one), and took one of the finest triggers and mated it to a striker system that has an even worse trigger pull than a Glock.
It's like you combined the Swedish Bikini Team and Victoria's Secret and ended up with Quasimodo in a thong...
Yeah, this should have been a good trigger on a polymer frame.
The frame not being polymer isn't really an issue, as it does shoot better with the added mass. Many companies are going back to steel framed options for a reason.
The issue is it is a steel frame, pretending to be a polymer, and just looking ugly and uncomfortable. Seriously, why didn't he just put a 1911/2011 frame on the damn thing with customizable grips.
You guys nailed it. When I heard Glock/1911 ,I thought a Glock with a really first rate trigger. If they really did it right it would have a single stack nice thin ergonomic grip like a 1911 but no grip safety. Use as many off the shelf Glock parts. No extra dodads. They managed to get the worst parts of both guns.
"Wait, you said BEST features? I misheard you. I thought we were making this as a prank."
I’ve got one in 45ACP and 40cal conversion, combat sights, speed ramp and custom trigger.
Ian, if you ever get a chance, a winchester industrial shotgun would be an interesting topic!
I remember hearing about those. That would be interesting. Especially doing a range shoot!
Interesting. I think my path may have crossed with them on one or two occasions back around 2002-2003. My college class took some courses in a building they were doing R&D work out of in south Auburn. It's also interesting that you posted this as I am contemplating making a novel pistol design myself right now. It's an ambitious project and I can't afford to fail. So, stuff to think about.
Didn’t Ian have a background in aero engineering until he realised he didn’t like it?
There is a subset of the aerospace industry that would be familiar with rugged, rough-tolerance engineering - the designers of STOL and bush planes would have similar considerations. It is a niche segment these days, but the An-2, and the DeHavilland Canada STOL planes (Beaver, Otter, Caribou, Buffalo, etc.) did have to be sturdy and reliable enough to operate in the remote north with 1950's engineering while allowing for some degree of field-expedient repair in the taiga or tundra.
The first time I was this early I was the Lebel in smokeless powder development.
I honestly love this design! Which is why I got the hudson H9 when it came out. Sadly Hudson went under and I am hopeful a company comes along and gives the H9 a reboot!!!
One more in a long line of "Wouldn't it be cool ?" ideas that never floated, but ends up having a "second chance" on the quirky gun collector market.
The real unsung hero in this is the gun the magazine for this was originally intended for. The Wtiness line of guns (now rebranded to Defiant) made by Tanfoglio.
Double stack magazines for 45, 38 super, 10mm in a very ergonomic CZ "evolution" pistol. Caliber convertible to the 3 I mentioned and 9mm and 40 S&W, in the same frame.
That looks more like all the bad features of a 1911 combined with the bad features of a glock.
Its a glock with 1911 ergos
@@brightpri6692what if it was a 1911 with Glock ergos?
I almost bought this back in 2002. I settled for a Para-Ordnance p14/45. Then I bought a Bul5 ,same as the Wilson Polymer 10 and similar Kimber model.
At least the lock is not a crappy wafer lock, but tubular pin tumbler locks (with some exceptions) are nowadays easily opened with impressioning tools (see e.g. @LockPickingLawyer videos).
Not if you use springs of varying strength.
Lot 457 in the December 2019 Premier Firearms Auction is one which should definitely be looked at. One of the first forty contract 1911s produced at Colt. There is also a couple of pre-production Union Switch & Signal 1911s.
Since the gun is a .45 wouldn't it need a Glock 21 slide?
I expect so. I've never had the chance to examine the rear end of G21 and G23 slides or frames side-by-side, but I suspect that the part in question needs to be located slightly differently in .45ACP than in .40S&W.
@@MikeDCWeld I can check it out with my gen 4's when I get home although the Spectre would be based around a gen 2 or 3.
@@MikeDCWeld Just for the heck of it I tired a 19 slide on a 21 frame and it stops about the same place as in the video. I'm pretty sure a gen 1, 2, or 3 Glock upper would fit and function on this frame. Though the Spectre uses different mags so maybe the feed ramp on the barrel could be different or the breech face where it pushes a round out of the magazine. But a Glock 19/23 upper would never work on it.
7:51 As far as a titanium slide is concerned, you could maybe achieve similar delay to a steel slide by redesigning the short-recoil system so that the barrel and slide travel backwards together for a longer distance, but that seems like it would take a lot of redesign for other components, especially the frame, and you might see accuracy and reliability suffer as a result. It would also lead to some issues (assuming that the barrel is steel) with the area of the slide where it contacts the barrel at the front of the ejection port would wear out a lot more quickly. surface hardness is generally not titanium's strong suit. You would have to either carbidize that region or insert a steel bearing surface, which both add cost. Also, not to be pedantic, but titanium alloys tend to be weaker than high-strength steels in an absolute sense, using the typical convention of load/area to define stress, but they do usually have higher strength to mass ratios. I can't think of much benefit to a titanium slide other than reduced overall weight, but that would be much better achieved by using a polymer frame. I'd expect higher felt recoil from the lower mass, and probably a much higher unit cost since titanium alloys are such a pain to machine.
Gotta say, thats the coolest gun name ive ever heard.
I realllly like that trigger guard notch, I'd happily have that added to both of my pistols.
It can easily be done. It can even be easily done *well* at home if you have a Glock or some other Plastic Fantastic (filing a tactile notch in plastic that looks good and is just deep enough for the purpose is pretty easy.)
@@geodkyt crud, I'd do it with a wood burning pencil and just file the edges to clean them up.
@@ScottKenny1978 30 seconds with a small hand file. You really only need it to be about a thumbnail thickness deep. Why risk compromising the integrity of the trigger guard by doing anything deeper?
@@geodkyt * blink *
🤦
I'm too used to working with metal.
The Spectre, a gun for the Glock and 1911 fan that fills non of the holes.
The loading bar bugged out, and when I took an off look at it, it showed the video was nearly done before he got to the weird lock at the bottom.
Glad it wasn't.
Its a good thing the industry learned its lesson from this and one would ever try to make an unholy amalgamation of 1911 and Glock .........
That was a pretty good Connery impression!
Pssss, john Browning already did this.... It's called the Browning Hi-Power.... The original wonder nine.
If only the Hi-Power had gotten half the attention the 1911 got...
@@bigghoss762 I think the Canadian army still issues hi power
@@mrguiltyfool And the Australians, I believe. It's still in service all over the world and will continue to be for quite some time.
I found one of these used. No thumb safety. I actually liked it but the logo fell out of the grip and the lock in the mainspring housing caused major function issues. I traded it and saw it later at a pawn shop in a non functional condition. I do still have the functional EAA Witness .45 that I got before it. I guess a browning high power modified to a double action by CZ, and cloned by Italians was better than aerospace engineers trying to build a safer Glock/1911 collaboration.
Therapist: Glockteen Eleven isn't real, it can't hurt you.
Glockteen Eleven:
Ian, Glock and 1911 shooter here! Those are XS Big Dot sights, not HEINE Big Dot sights. XS sights are real popular on glock slides.
Also, when it comes to the Glock striker, the various Gens changed several things but they did NOT change the striker. (Ex: I own a Glock 21 Gen 4 as my duty pistol. They improved the recoil spring and guide rod on the Glock 21, but did not change the striker.) The Gen 5 Glock 17 is in fact a different striker, however, so that might actually fit.
Fudds everywhere: confused screaming.
I think there's a brilliant design in that.
I think the grip isn't one of them, but that little notch, that feedback to say 'the trigger is right behind this mark', is brilliant. It's simple, it's minor, it's just a bit of material, but the information it can give a shooter, that is hard to put a value on.
Plus, dare I say it, might even help in stressful situations, under the clock. A simple touch and you just 'know'.
I feel like the HK45 is a much better execution of this same idea.
There was another 1911 copy made in this time period, I believe it was called the Evolution or some such. It was marketed primarily via email. It was only available in .40 or 9mm, and looked like someone tried to apply stealth aircraft technology to a 1911. I have been unable to find any mention of of this pistol anywhere since; it is a mystery just like the Neumann 10 gauge shotguns that used to be sold in the back of American Rifleman. I have never been able to find any other reference to either, nor an example anywhere.
Woah I didn't know somebody was making real cursed guns for Brandon herrara 😂
Regarding steel vs. titanium, the weight savings typically winds up being only around 20%. The reason is that you can't easily take advantage of the enhanced strength because the design dictates the form. The weight savings from titanium comes both from lower density and being able to use less material to achieve the same tensile strength, but with something like a pistol slide where it has to meet certain predefined dimensions, you can't readily do that. If you designed the gun from the ground up to use a titanium slide, you can certainly save some real weight, but invariably anything that's simply a 1 for 1 conversion is only a minor weight savings.
Titanium Glock slides exist.
@@dex6147 That may be, but what I said still applies. The weight savings isn't going to be substantial. They may reduce the weight further by skeletonizing parts of it, but they're not going to save a lot.
The safety lock is the only part of this I find really sacrilegious.
That was the best Roger Moore impression I've ever heard!
You're telling me that they wanted to combine the best qualities of the Glock and the 1911 so they... kept the grip safety of the 1911 and the takedown method of the Glock? That is the one thing I dislike about the former combined with one of the things I dislike most about the latter.
I own one of this guns. Thanks for the video I learned a little more about it. I am both Glock and 1911 Gun Owner. But mainly I am a 1911 Guy.
When Cy Hudson was a kid he must have loved this thing.
I was also thinking H9
As much as I love the videos, the barely suppressed smile post Connery voice was my favourite part this time.
The beauty of a Glock, and the reliability of a 1911.
underrated comment
Love the small safe lock on the bottom of the mag well!
It seems interesting conceptually but it appears he took the Glock about 30 years back from its development cycle 🤔
Alchemy Arms sounds like a company of wizards that craft magical firearms in some cyberpunk fantasy setting, and I'm all for it
Gee, a sorta 1911 shaped Grock. What could be wrong with that...
Oooh, that whirring noise.... is JMB spinning in his grave.
That lock is MORE abhorrent than the Hillery Hole on Smith&Wesson revolvers....I didn't think that was possible.