I would recommend carrying a can of mace as well as a gun. Not every menacing person is a lethal threat. It can give you an option if you're unsure of their true intentions, determination or lethality. Macing a drunk belligerent yahoo is definitely easer to explain to a prosecutor than shooting one. If the person is bigger, badder, and armed you still have the option to skip right to using the gun. Just like knowing a martial art or being able to run a 7 minute mile, mace adds to your tactical options.
Good advice. I was going to try to cover pepper spray and other less than lethal weapons such as a yawara this go round, but I'm trying to keep these videos fairly short.
@LionquestFitness I'd like to see a video on that also Greg. I dabbled with some martial arts many, many years ago. But, I'm older now and soft from sitting behind a computer monitor 8-10 hours a day. I have multiple health issues now also, but still have a determination to not be a victim. So I say all that to say, options are a good thing. God bless, Rob
@@LionquestFitnessThat man makes a good point Greg,. There are a lot of situations where a good smack upside someone’s head is enough to solve the problem, But many people because of age, strength,disabilities don’t have that option.. With your past experience we would certainly encourage you to make some less lethal videos.🇺🇸👍
And notice his follow-up shots are as accurate as his first shot. Modern tacticool methods have been demonstrated to lead to less deliberate placement under real world stress. I see a lot of cringe worthy practices from some of the hip gurus.
anyone who mocks great instruction and advice shows themselves to be infinitely ignorant. the younger generation used to learn from the old school. Now, it seems some times, the younger generation resents the old school. history has always been full of wrongs, but it is something that can be learned from, too.@@toneyholcombe7088
I’ve been carrying a J Frame since 1968 & successfully used an issued Colt DS (about J Frame size) in a 1974 gunfight w/armed robbery suspects. I’m in my late 70s & handicapped now so my objective is to make the bad guy run away & a small .38 is more than capable. Thx for another instructive presentation Greg.
I too am in my 70’s and started out with the issue revolver. With only six rounds in the gun and either a dump pouch or later, speedloaders, you seemed to take your shots a little more carefully. I’ve seen police shootings now where it seems to be a contest to see who can empty their guns first. Our hit ratios were much better then. Later the transition to S&W 39/59’s then Colt 1911’s and eventually Glock 22’s and 23’s which I used until I retired. It was a different time my friend.
I retired in ‘97 when we were carrying the Glock 23. By then I was a captain in charge of the patrol division and didn’t get out of the office much. As to the issued Glock I was more than glad to have it b/c of the increased ammo capacity.
Great little guns! Ignore any who mock you. I graduated from one Military Police Academy and three civilian LEO Academies and "Command Presence" and "Verbal Jujitsu" (called by many different names) were taught just as you present at all of them. The mockers don't know squat. About you changing your grip, I think many guys use the "thumbs forward grip" with revolvers because that is what they were taught to do with semi-auto pistols. It's not as comfortable with a revolver and your thumbs may get cut by lead shavings blown back from the forcing cone if the timing or cylinder gap is not perfect. Personally, I'm a dinosaur who still shoots from a modified Weaver stance (aka the interview stance) with a "saucer and teacup" grip or from the hip at close range.
4:15...like you, I devote part of every range session practice on arms length hip shooting & unlike Greg, I step back with my strong side leg and keep my pistol tucked in tight against my hip as I extend my weak side hand forward to keep an assailant at arms length...
John - one of the things that amazes me about L.E. training is how strategies and techniques are taught, forgotten, and then cycle back a few decades later as the latest and greatest. Thank you for your input and experience.
Jeff, I do train that way and exhibit strong side back in video and in this video with the third scenario.. I don't always do so, but base it on the angle of attack. Thank you for pointing this out, though. @@jeffanon1772
@@LionquestFitness You are spot on. Every 10 years or so, some clown will take a decades old policing or community supervision model do his Doctorial thesis and a few "empirical studies" and rebrand what we did 20 or 30 years ago, give it a new name, and make a career out of it as if he just invented some new "evidence based" model. And all the old guys roll their eyes and point out it all sounds just a tad familiar. LOL! Stay safe Greg.
Well thought out process for decision making. Throw in Analyze as a fourth component. As I tell L.E. students when teaching restraints and holds, if something is not working, shift to another technique. Time to move to plan B.
The reason I like revolvers... I found a company that makes a bunch of different non-lethal rounds... If you hit somebody with those rounds, they won't die but they sure as hell wish they did... I watch two gun channels. Yours and Honest Outlaw... Good stuff. Thanks for posting, Greg.
Be aware, carry a gun, be ready able, trained, and to use it for sure. Rules I live by. I took a course and gave up any idea I'm a knife fighter...and pepper spray is wind susceptible, but if might be useful. A taser is a great option... but I have given up trying to carry everything possible for every situation. Gun, spare mag, back up revolver at times, leatherman, flashlight, wallet, cellphone... that's my 1st line. 2nd line is a well packed bag I carry around with me but that's different. All your videos are on purpose and practical... thanks for sharing all you've learned in a lifetime. I've added hip shooting my snubbie to my range sessions too - thanks to you.
Great advice. I was taught many years ago to keep yelling "get back!!" before, during and after shots being fired, to let everyone around know that YOU were the person being attacked.
Greg i do agree with you i always carry my 856 or my Rock island 206 but i do pray to the Lord everyday that i don't have to use it on anyone. .Great video my Friend have a blessed day
That's an important point. I pray over that firearm that it will be used to protect life - not take life. It might sound contradictory, but it gives me a reference point on the seriousness and responsibility of carry.
@@LionquestFitnessAs Christ followers Greg, we know that if we have to use deadly force in the defense of our own lives or the defense of others, we are likely sending that attacker to eternal judgement, because another believer isn't going to do what the attacker is doing. One will always have that in mind before leaving the house armed and have prayed for a hedge of protection so we don't have to use our skills to defend our lives and are able to return home safely. God bless, Rob
Your 642 looks a lot like mine, haha. Right down to the internal lock and finish wear on the right side. Also, just when I was going to ask about using one hand, you brought up one-handing drawing. You read my mind, sir.
Very good food for thought. I practice drawing and blocking techniques also. If it s a fight it’s up close and it’s going to be two sided. They’re going to be fighting, otherwise it’s not self defense.
I have to say this was the best video on this subject I've ever seen. Every technique you demonstrated was realistic, practical and useful. I've been carrying for over a decade and I still learned a few things from this video. I'm going to recommend this to anyone new to CCW.
Thanks for the tactics from somebody that has real world experience. Good point that if you don't train you probably won't do well in a real situation.
There is an old saying I try to impart to my law enforcement and fire fighting students (in a different context for the fire fighting) and that is train as you live, live as you train.
The powerful O-Light (AT NIGHT) with flashing strobe is great for temporarily blinding and disorienting anyone coming at you, while going for your gun in case they don’t back off. The beauty of this is it can be held in hand unseen, and then suddenly toggled on just by quick a squeeze.
Another top-notch video 👌. You are so very correct in keeping the gun in close to you at "bad breath" distances, and only extending it out AFTER creating a safe distance. You gave perfect illustrations of that 👍
@LionquestFitness Thank you sir, I'm doing "okay". I've been attempting to complete my next video, which involves a very short range session. But of course, my disabilities dictate that I have an assistant during those times, and I've been unable to get anyone to stop by and help out so far. I haven't given up, though. That video will roll out soon! 😉
I just got back from the mountains. I had to use those tones on Bear several times. It was touch or go that I didn't shoot him. Our last night in camp he got hit by a car.
@LionquestFitness no sir Black Bear in the Mountains of New Mexico. We were staying in a State Park Campground between Eagle Nest and Cimarron. We were flyfishing for trout. There was several bears that had no fear of man and a taste for garbage. Myself and Uncle Don pretty much had words with this bear multiple times a day. Trying to keep him out of the park. The Rangers shot him with rubber buck two or three times a day. I told the Ranger if I was in the National Forest I would have shot the bear. It would have probably been a ton of legal hassle to do so in a park. Especially with the political climate in New Mexico.
This channel is gold. I love hearing old timers talk firearms, contrary to popular beliefs, "boomers" or the older generation do know what they're talking about, they have the gift of experience and we should all take time to learn from them. Kick ass content.
Minhas desculpas por não ter respondido ao último vídeo ainda. Acabei de encontrar alguns comentários escondidos da vista hoje pelo TH-cam. Deus abençoe você e seu país maravilhoso.
Some great advice Greg you never know when a situation could occur and it always pays to be ready. Thanks for saying some great advice. That you have picked up over the years. With on hand experiences. 👍👍👍👍
Great video Greg! You plan and train for what you may encounter. We all hope we never have to use what we train for, but train nonetheless, in case we do. Good drill, good advice for using our voice, and great shooting as always! Stay safe, my friend.
Hi Greg, good shooting! The first technique with both hands and bent arms reminds me of Cirillo's geometric or nose point, I also see some good PPC days hip shooting form in the other ones, Paul Weston would be very proud!
I've got an old book called Street Survival that called that the third eye method. I'm pretty sure Cirillo was a contributing author. I'll have to check tomorrow when I'm back to work.
Chief Newton, you’re the best. Love watching your instructions. And I love carrying a revolver in the age of semi autos. Thank you for everything you do, Sir.
Thank you very much for this very interesting and well made video. In addition to a snubby and a pepper spray, a well rounded "thick fashion magazine" can be an efficient tool for a citizen facing an agressor with a blade.
Sorry, I'm late Greg. My buddy and I are back from meeting Paul Harrell. He appeared at small Lions Club in Western Missouri of all places. Apparently, his son lives in tbat area, so it makes sense. Either way, Paul was wearing his signature 1970's jacket, and he couldn't have been nicer. He asked me about my model 640 and my Shield Plus, and I complimented him on his presentation, his knowledge, and shooting abilities. Paul even had numerous revolvers, semi-autos, and rifles (from his presentations) laid out on a couple of tables. I made sure to pass along well wishes from Dan the Wolfman, Gun Sam, you, and otbers. I told Paul about your channel, and that i believe you and he are cut of the same cloth. They physical fitness, the skills, etc. He apeared to be in good health and good spirits. Paul was happy to take pictures with us, and signed our pics of him that i had printed from the internet. He signed one for our 81 year old friend who was unable to come along due to a recent blood clot. Anyway, I've rambled on and on. It was an honor and privilege to meet Paul Harell. He, as well as Greg Newton, Hickock45, Honest Outlaw, Gun Sam, and a myriad of others are doing yeoman's work for the 2nd Ammendment. I can't wait to meet the rest of you.
Les and Greg, as luck would have it, Hickock45 is going to be at a gun store next Saturday. It appears to be within 2 hours and 40 minutes of where iI live. I'm hoping to go. Hickock45 and Paul Harrell in a week's time. Maybe Greg will show up somewhere the next weekend. 😂
I used that stance for some time until someone mentioned that being a lefty and crouching to the right put me in the line of fire of most shooters who shoot low and left.
great advice again. i used to wrap my right thumb over my left hand when shooting (i'm a lefty, too, and my first handgun was a 6" ruger security six i bought in 1984) until shooting a friend's astra constable, which sliced my thumb. i can still see a trace of the scar if i look hard enough, and that occured sometime in the mid 80's. my grip now is kind of funky with my support thumb on top of the shooting thumb. i think gun sam does the same. the snub nosed 357 is probably the best get-off-me gun there is, easy to conceal and packing one of the deadliest punches.
Yep, I tried that grip with a 1911. No dice. The tactical folks don't recommend this, but I have one grip for revolvers, one for modern polymer pistols, and one for 1911's.
Excellent video and instruction. I am also familiar with the Street Survival books and training by Caliber Press. You keep putting common sense information out and don’t bother with the nay sayers! Clearly you have real world experience’s. Got into Police work almost 41 years ago so I can see your training. Thanks Greg.
I appreciate that Barry. I spent two decades in L.E. and have taught Law Enforcement in a high school career and tech center for almost another two decades.
Greg we love your coaching. Charter Arms Off Duty 38 Revolver has become a winner in our choice of snubbies because it is easier and far more comfortable in hand than our S&W 642, even though they’re almost identical. Check it out and you’ll be pleasantly surprised.
I will watch this informative video several times! I recently splurged on a Kimber K6XS. Light, easy to shoot plus P and very accurate. Still have my 642.
@@tylermorrison7051 I do tend to have a bit more confidence with the reputation👍. I wish I could do that timber, looks so beautiful. But where I am from it is not on the compliant list.😔
Sorry, guys. It was 9 hours on the road, I had a nap, and it was balls to the wall getting my remaining work done. I'll put up a post about Harell in just a moment.
👍👍Thanks Greg, I always appreciate your insight and advice on self defense. I would think people that mock you do not have the experience you do and have probably never been in a self defense situation. One thing that I’ve started doing as I’ve gotten older is carrying pepper/tear gas spray combo spray for a non lethal solution. Again I appreciate all you do and thoroughly enjoy your content.
Greg, you are right snubbies will be with us and are very useful up close. Thanks for the lesson in different scenarios. Stay safe and well, RE:Desert_Boy/Robert
I hear ppl say revolver is outdated. But a 38spl feels the same as it did 50yr ago when cops used them to save their lives on a daily basis. If it killed ppl then it will now. And it's a guaranteed 5 shots even out of a pocket. I have S&W 442 and a 357mag snubbie I carry often. Great video
Yep, snarky people like Tim from Military Arms Channel are always hacking on revolvers. You just want to say, dude did your wife run off with some banker who carried a j frame? It is a self defense implement. It fits in normal people's lifestyles. The military hardware is fun, but we aren't in Road Warrior mode yet.
Informative video. Work i carry a Beretta Brigadier, which is bit bulky on plainsclothes and always liked idea of a J-Frames as off duty/walkaround. Unfortunately, no HP ammos here...
Great vid. Ps. I know that "speed rock", never knew the name lol. I always thought it weird. (That is what you said, "speed rock"?) Have a great Sunday.
Hey Greg, have you seen those RIA rock island arms revolvers? They are very affordable, you should get one for the channel. I have the 4 inch model. I have a gp100, a sp101, a Taurus 85, and a 642. Its not as pretty but its a solid shooter. Im thinking of getting the snub nose as a glove box gun.
Hi Kevin - a few years back a concealed hammer model was my CCW for a couple of years. I later gave it away to a friend who wanted to buy it. On the upside, for the costs, the RIA revolvers work and have an old school mystique. On the downside a vocal portion of people who bought the RIA's seemed to have had issues right out of the box. My only complaint was that the wood grips on the snubs, which I loved the look of and made them concealable, didn't cover the backstrap and they chewed the web of my hand up from recoil. Still, I'm tempted to purchase one again everytime I see one. I probably will if I ever run across another hammerless model.
Greg, where did your friend get the holster? I have a model 637! Before retirement, I carried it in an ankle holster. I have an assortment of pistols, but I like to carry the airweight as a pocket pistol. Any suggestions! Thanks
I really enjoy your videos, it's obvious you've had some martial training (Kung Fu or Japanese karate maybe?) Myself I studied years of Okinawan (Isshinryu) karate. Imo you're giving quite good advice. Your basic lessons for subnose defense like these are very similar if not downright exact to things I learned about fighting with a one handed weapon, like a knife for example,. Ideas I learned that translate nearly perfectly to a small revolver as youre showing here. There's small differences from what I learned, for example I learned to step forward with a head block like the one you executed, the reason to keep your weapon (or just the empty hand you will counter strike with) a few inches further away and protected from your attacker. And slightly different mechanics of that move, more angle to the block and thumb on top using the other side of the arm to make the block, bone and muscle take the hit not leaving the veins and softer underside of the arm exposed but, that's just the way I learned it, they're both an effective way to protect the more important thing, your head... well anyway (sorry bit of insomnia, I'm going on and on) Anyway, again, point being keep up the great vids. Nice to see more good solid info on imo the smarter choice for personal protection, the probably last thought of choice for too many people out there the often overlooked snubby.
I did a lot of years with Korean Hapkido and later Kajukenbo. You make a good point about blocking the underside of the attackers arm as more of a slash with the forearm. In Hapkido I learned many soft style techniques for blocking to redirect their energy. However, in practicality, a hard block using the bone on the underside of their arm, would be easier taught and more effective. You just don't won't to hit bone on bone, unless you've conditioned your arm. Long before I got back into firearms training I read an article by Hock Hochheim about the end of the journey after years of martial arts training and the aging body slowing down, self-defense came down to the old .38 on the hip. That resonated with me, and twenty something years later, it definitely has applicability.
@LionquestFitness I could tell you had some serious training. A couple lessons my first sensei taught me that never left me were the more you learn about self defense the faster you'll be able to tell who has also been trained just by watching little things about the person's movements demeanor ect. And of course the other more important lesson, no matter how tough you are, there's always someone out there that can kick your ass 😉 Approaching late middle age I have complete empathy for the slowing body that seems less and less capable as time goes by. Years of iron body training when I was younger has slowly given way to learning to deal with the resulting arthritis... if they only had a way to fight the inevitable aging and degradation of the human body, right. I'd probably be practicing that now. But that's one contest none of us can win. I just try keep in shape and keep the score close until the end of the game. I'm going to check out that article you mentioned when I get a chance, sounds like some interesting insight. Keep up the good work
As always a good video. How would you adjust this for someone using a rolling walker who has to keep their support hand on the walker due to balance issues
For obvious reasons your abilities to defend are limited. Any threat could be a deadly threat to you because of it. Presentation of your firearm would be your first line of defense. Combined with your verbal challenge I'd practice a one handed draw, working as many angles of attack as you can. On the range, do all your shooting one handed, or if you can't get to a range practice dry fire with one hand. Challenge and draw, visualize your attacker's response, and point and shoot. Practice some with the attack stopping and you retreating the best you can. Remember that every year hundreds of thousands of criminals are stopped by the presentation of a firearm. But, still keep the mindset of stopping an attack by firing if the attacker doesn't stop.
Very informative Grambo. Make your opinion known/warning. Show your intention. Stepping back and drawing revolver. The attacker is given the option, as to yhe outcome 😊 That hat your wearing is a well camouflaged bandanna. 😊
@LionquestFitness Greg... remember, happy wife, long life. Ask you better half what she thinks... longer hair, motorcycle, what your next pistols should be 😀 = one happy Grambo 😊 😃 😀 😄 😁
Sorry I'm late to the game. We had a 9 hour round trip drive to Western Missouri to see Paul Harrell..As for the hair, Greg. Grow it long, my friend. The Grambo bandana will really stand, surrounding that flowing mane! 😂
Gonna try out a colt detective special d frame at the range this week. It was passed down to me. I prefer smiths or even the ruger push button cylinder release to the rear pull colts. any thoughts on the old colts?
A few years ago I had the money in hand for a Detective gen 4, which is my favorite, and it had been sold two hours earlier. It was $800 or so. Oh well such is life. 😄@@jeffpaul8260
@@Paul-s7y4t My Internet has been limited due the recent storm blowing through the Southeast. Otherwise I'd hunt and link a couple of videos for you. Search Lionquest Fitness cane self defense. The other search Lionquest Fitness defensive shooting and aging. If you don't find them let me know.
defense videos despite capacity show revolvers to work or create that break in contact, in general criminals dont like the odds that even though you dont have enough for them all wich is proven over and over again, for example 10 guys and 6 rounds, none of them know or want to be that margin of 4 left out and you still have a reload, just like sky diving you got 10 parachutes and we wont tell you that 4 wont open, want to try it or 10 guys are forced in a cage with 6 hungry lions and you wont have anyone take a chance even though 4 guys wont be a meal, another thing is gun fights happen so fast they dont even know you have a revolver and they are not counting shots because its a bad time to count when your being shot at, thus no one does it because of the tunnel vision of adrenaine making even criminals retreat to the survival instinct of running, training with what you carry despite capacity is more important then any thing and also in defense research we cant lump law enforcement in the research with private citizen research because there are differences in a private citizen defending them selves and law enforcement, for example private citizens its mostly defending and cover, if bad guys run you dont have to chase where as law enforcement in the revolver days after you took cover and defended your self you still have to chase to put cuffs on, this requires more resources including ammo because unlike leaving the gun fight a private citizen left your going to additional gun fights, this is why in defense research with revolvers we cant compare them with the revolver days of law enforcement who couldnt break contact like a private citizen but has a duty to go yet to more danger looking for bad guy losing the element of suprise in a shoot out because bad guys who flee now it could be another gun fight after police chase and catch them possibly being able to ambush a police officer, some times a private citizen will play cop or sheep dog but do not have duty to do that other then moral delema of wanting to defend some one other then themselves and family or go chase suspect risking being in a court system who will punish you for helping others or even blamming your for deaths of others criminal killed and you only wanted to help, so you got law and morals to decide. often straw dummy arguments anti revolver people like to pick is a example of a person with a revolver losing a gun fight but what they dont mention is gun fight loses where a person had 17 rounds and lost, so its much more then capacity and many variables to consider like your tactical response and how you use the gun, a small example how your not better off 17 rounds then a guy with 6 rounds is if your out in the open praying and spraying vs a revolver guy who trains with cover and uses it and then shoots with good shot placement
IMO the revolver should be out of sight and not mentioned until you need to draw and shoot to avoid a Brandishing charge. Backing away and yelling “get back” should be loud and early in any confrontation. Get out of there without a fight if possible,it ain’t worth it.
@@FlapjackKalanchoe Well, no Virginia aristocracy in my background. I am a mix of English, Scotch Irish and Native American. Although, as a young man working as an artist's model I was told the same thing.
If things go really South, and you end up on the ground, the J-Frame doesn't care how you hold it when you shoot. It's like an extension of your hand. I've never been in a confrontation. But if you have several people getting ready to team up, you may get away with tagging the leader. I don't recall how many rounds Kyle Rittenhouse fired. I think it was fewer than five. Personally, I would avoid a riot if I had that option.
Come on man, how can you expect to be part of the tactikewl operators if you don't do mag dumps on camera? (just kidding/sarcasm). Now to get real, thanks for the common sense gun training. Especially pointing out unloaded training.
I would recommend carrying a can of mace as well as a gun. Not every menacing person is a lethal threat. It can give you an option if you're unsure of their true intentions, determination or lethality. Macing a drunk belligerent yahoo is definitely easer to explain to a prosecutor than shooting one. If the person is bigger, badder, and armed you still have the option to skip right to using the gun. Just like knowing a martial art or being able to run a 7 minute mile, mace adds to your tactical options.
Good advice. I was going to try to cover pepper spray and other less than lethal weapons such as a yawara this go round, but I'm trying to keep these videos fairly short.
I totally agree, I keep mace on me always
@LionquestFitness I'd like to see a video on that also Greg. I dabbled with some martial arts many, many years ago. But, I'm older now and soft from sitting behind a computer monitor 8-10 hours a day. I have multiple health issues now also, but still have a determination to not be a victim. So I say all that to say, options are a good thing. God bless, Rob
Thanks Rob - I probably will do a Part II focusing on less lethal.@@la_old_salt2241
@@LionquestFitnessThat man makes a good point Greg,. There are a lot of situations where a good smack upside someone’s head is enough to solve the problem, But many people because of age, strength,disabilities don’t have that option.. With your past experience we would certainly encourage you to make some less lethal videos.🇺🇸👍
Greg, the people who mock you, have probably never had a real world experience. Probably never been in a real situation. You're appreciated.
Thank you Steve,
And notice his follow-up shots are as accurate as his first shot. Modern tacticool methods have been demonstrated to lead to less deliberate placement under real world stress. I see a lot of cringe worthy practices from some of the hip gurus.
@@toneyholcombe7088 absolutely
anyone who mocks great instruction and advice shows themselves to be infinitely ignorant. the younger generation used to learn from the old school. Now, it seems some times, the younger generation resents the old school. history has always been full of wrongs, but it is something that can be learned from, too.@@toneyholcombe7088
Wish he was my neighbor
I’ve been carrying a J Frame since 1968 & successfully used an issued Colt DS (about J Frame size) in a 1974 gunfight w/armed robbery suspects. I’m in my late 70s & handicapped now so my objective is to make the bad guy run away & a small .38 is more than capable. Thx for another instructive presentation Greg.
Man, thank you for being a part of this community.
thank you for your service and God bless you.
I too am in my 70’s and started out with the issue revolver. With only six rounds in the gun and either a dump pouch or later, speedloaders, you seemed to take your shots a little more carefully. I’ve seen police shootings now where it seems to be a contest to see who can empty their guns first. Our hit ratios were much better then. Later the transition to S&W 39/59’s then Colt 1911’s and eventually Glock 22’s and 23’s which I used until I retired. It was a different time my friend.
I retired in ‘97 when we were carrying the Glock 23. By then I was a captain in charge of the patrol division and didn’t get out of the office much. As to the issued Glock I was more than glad to have it b/c of the increased ammo capacity.
Great information 👍
I carry one everyday. Thanks for sharing greg 🇺🇸
Great little guns!
Ignore any who mock you. I graduated from one Military Police Academy and three civilian LEO Academies and "Command Presence" and "Verbal Jujitsu" (called by many different names) were taught just as you present at all of them. The mockers don't know squat. About you changing your grip, I think many guys use the "thumbs forward grip" with revolvers because that is what they were taught to do with semi-auto pistols. It's not as comfortable with a revolver and your thumbs may get cut by lead shavings blown back from the forcing cone if the timing or cylinder gap is not perfect. Personally, I'm a dinosaur who still shoots from a modified Weaver stance (aka the interview stance) with a "saucer and teacup" grip or from the hip at close range.
4:15...like you, I devote part of every range session practice on arms length hip shooting & unlike Greg, I step back with my strong side leg and keep my pistol tucked in tight against my hip as I extend my weak side hand forward to keep an assailant at arms length...
John - one of the things that amazes me about L.E. training is how strategies and techniques are taught, forgotten, and then cycle back a few decades later as the latest and greatest. Thank you for your input and experience.
Jeff, I do train that way and exhibit strong side back in video and in this video with the third scenario.. I don't always do so, but base it on the angle of attack. Thank you for pointing this out, though. @@jeffanon1772
@@LionquestFitness You are spot on. Every 10 years or so, some clown will take a decades old policing or community supervision model do his Doctorial thesis and a few "empirical studies" and rebrand what we did 20 or 30 years ago, give it a new name, and make a career out of it as if he just invented some new "evidence based" model. And all the old guys roll their eyes and point out it all sounds just a tad familiar. LOL! Stay safe Greg.
I’ve always thought observe, assess, react. Use the mouth.
Thanks for another fine video 👍😎
Well thought out process for decision making. Throw in Analyze as a fourth component. As I tell L.E. students when teaching restraints and holds, if something is not working, shift to another technique. Time to move to plan B.
@@LionquestFitness Thank you
The reason I like revolvers... I found a company that makes a bunch of different non-lethal rounds... If you hit somebody with those rounds, they won't die but they sure as hell wish they did... I watch two gun channels. Yours and Honest Outlaw... Good stuff. Thanks for posting, Greg.
I watch Honest Outlaw. Good channel.
@@LionquestFitness 👍👍👍
Screw the haters Greg! I truly appreciate and enjoy your videos. I always learn at least a little something along the way as well. Thank you sir!
Iappreciate that.
Nice Greg stay safe everyone things going to start heating up again soon
Hi Dan! Good advice. We live in some very precarious times.
Be aware, carry a gun, be ready able, trained, and to use it for sure. Rules I live by.
I took a course and gave up any idea I'm a knife fighter...and pepper spray is wind susceptible, but if might be useful. A taser is a great option... but I have given up trying to carry everything possible for every situation. Gun, spare mag, back up revolver at times, leatherman, flashlight, wallet, cellphone... that's my 1st line. 2nd line is a well packed bag I carry around with me but that's different.
All your videos are on purpose and practical... thanks for sharing all you've learned in a lifetime.
I've added hip shooting my snubbie to my range sessions too - thanks to you.
Thanks for appreciating what I present
Great advice. I was taught many years ago to keep yelling "get back!!" before, during and after shots being fired, to let everyone around know that YOU were the person being attacked.
You practice how you are going to defend yourself. That challenge could stop the attack, but if not, you'll probably be on video this day and time.
Dropping in for common sense & good practical advice. I rarely comment but always drop a 'like'. Thanks.
It's appreciated.
Greg i do agree with you i always carry my 856 or my Rock island 206 but i do pray to the Lord everyday that i don't have to use it on anyone. .Great video my Friend have a blessed day
That's an important point. I pray over that firearm that it will be used to protect life - not take life. It might sound contradictory, but it gives me a reference point on the seriousness and responsibility of carry.
@@LionquestFitnessAs Christ followers Greg, we know that if we have to use deadly force in the defense of our own lives or the defense of others, we are likely sending that attacker to eternal judgement, because another believer isn't going to do what the attacker is doing. One will always have that in mind before leaving the house armed and have prayed for a hedge of protection so we don't have to use our skills to defend our lives and are able to return home safely. God bless, Rob
I pray over it also, and pray for peace always. God bless you all
Good video Greg, have a safe week buddy. Dano
You do the same.
Your 642 looks a lot like mine, haha. Right down to the internal lock and finish wear on the right side. Also, just when I was going to ask about using one hand, you brought up one-handing drawing. You read my mind, sir.
Those finishes on the airweights don't hold up very well. You'd think S&W would have figured out how to make them last by know. 😠
As usual, a 100% well-reasoned presentation based on experience. Thank you sir.
Thank you.
Great subject, do more like it.
Very good food for thought. I practice drawing and blocking techniques also. If it s a fight it’s up close and it’s going to be two sided. They’re going to be fighting, otherwise it’s not self defense.
Very nice
Excellent video we both use the same gun and shoot lefty
Thank you for the tips. I carry my S&W M&P 340 with Hornady CD with .38 +p 110 .
I carry this setup 90% of the time. Other 10% Glock 19
A Glock 19 is my trouble ahead go to as well.
I have to say this was the best video on this subject I've ever seen. Every technique you demonstrated was realistic, practical and useful. I've been carrying for over a decade and I still learned a few things from this video. I'm going to recommend this to anyone new to CCW.
I appreciate that. I see your comments on many of the channels I frequent and find your comments succinct and knowledgeable.
Great advice as always!
Thanks for the tactics from somebody that has real world experience. Good point that if you don't train you probably won't do well in a real situation.
There is an old saying I try to impart to my law enforcement and fire fighting students (in a different context for the fire fighting) and that is train as you live, live as you train.
I like that. @@LionquestFitness
The powerful O-Light (AT NIGHT) with flashing strobe is great for temporarily blinding and disorienting anyone coming at you, while going for your gun in case they don’t back off. The beauty of this is it can be held in hand unseen, and then suddenly toggled on just by quick a squeeze.
👍 up close and personal.
Social work.
Good solid advise and Procedures...
Good video
Another top-notch video 👌. You are so very correct in keeping the gun in close to you at "bad breath" distances, and only extending it out AFTER creating a safe distance. You gave perfect illustrations of that 👍
I appreciate you chiming in Antonius. How are you? I haven't seen any of your videos lately.
@LionquestFitness
Thank you sir, I'm doing "okay". I've been attempting to complete my next video, which involves a very short range session. But of course, my disabilities dictate that I have an assistant during those times, and I've been unable to get anyone to stop by and help out so far. I haven't given up, though. That video will roll out soon! 😉
Good to hear that! @@shootinitstraight4162
I’m excited to get my hands on a new Kimber pocket revolver. Same size as a S&W 642 but six round cylinder!
According to Hickok45, someone I respect as far as firearm quality knowledge, a very good choice.
The K6 SX . I think Hickok favors it over his 642 now.
It’s heavier, though. May need to wear more substantial shorts or pants.
Good advice. Back in my day (70s), we were trained on 'hip shooting' at close range - part of our qualification.
Great vidio sir thank you for sharing this
Thanks Les.
Thank you Greg, for this demenstration. I'm a one-handed left-hand shooter.
Just bought my first ever revolver- Rock Island Armory m206, 2 in barrel. Thank you for this video, sir!
I recently acquired a snubnose, so this is helpful.
I just found your reply Santee. What snub did you pick up?
@@LionquestFitness No prob. I got an early model Charter Arms in 38. It isn't a bad shooter at all.
I just got back from the mountains. I had to use those tones on Bear several times. It was touch or go that I didn't shoot him. Our last night in camp he got hit by a car.
Give me a back story Dan. Is Bear a hunting dog?
@LionquestFitness no sir Black Bear in the Mountains of New Mexico. We were staying in a State Park Campground between Eagle Nest and Cimarron. We were flyfishing for trout. There was several bears that had no fear of man and a taste for garbage. Myself and Uncle Don pretty much had words with this bear multiple times a day. Trying to keep him out of the park. The Rangers shot him with rubber buck two or three times a day. I told the Ranger if I was in the National Forest I would have shot the bear. It would have probably been a ton of legal hassle to do so in a park. Especially with the political climate in New Mexico.
This channel is gold. I love hearing old timers talk firearms, contrary to popular beliefs, "boomers" or the older generation do know what they're talking about, they have the gift of experience and we should all take time to learn from them. Kick ass content.
Take time to read some of the comments. Many of these guys have a lot of good insights.
@@LionquestFitness will do thank you.
Boa noite aqui do Brasil Sr Greg,obrigado por mais um conteúdo objetivo na defesa legítima, Deus abençoe seu trabalho, Deus abençoe as Américas 🇧🇷🤝🇺🇲
Minhas desculpas por não ter respondido ao último vídeo ainda. Acabei de encontrar alguns comentários escondidos da vista hoje pelo TH-cam. Deus abençoe você e seu país maravilhoso.
@@LionquestFitness obrigado meu amigo 🙏🤝
Deus abencoe ao Brasil, tambem.
Some great advice Greg you never know when a situation could occur and it always pays to be ready. Thanks for saying some great advice. That you have picked up over the years. With on hand experiences. 👍👍👍👍
Thanks Al.
A good revolver always is a good tool, Thank you sir.
👍👍 Great video!
Great video Greg! You plan and train for what you may encounter. We all hope we never have to use what we train for, but train nonetheless, in case we do. Good drill, good advice for using our voice, and great shooting as always! Stay safe, my friend.
You do the same Marc!
I have the same jframe with a hough grip love it I pocket carry
It goes where you go.
Hi Greg, good shooting! The first technique with both hands and bent arms reminds me of Cirillo's geometric or nose point, I also see some good PPC days hip shooting form in the other ones, Paul Weston would be very proud!
I've got an old book called Street Survival that called that the third eye method. I'm pretty sure Cirillo was a contributing author. I'll have to check tomorrow when I'm back to work.
Chief Newton, you’re the best. Love watching your instructions. And I love carrying a revolver in the age of semi autos. Thank you for everything you do, Sir.
Thanks Scott. I never was a chief though. That was HR Funk. The highest I ever got was Sgt.
I carried a S&W 640 in my back pocket as a backup for over 30 years as a deputy sheriff. I only needed it a couple of times, but was glad I had it.
Great information and insight. Thank you
LOL - I'm getting a three year old ready for church as I write. Have a blessed morning Al!
@LionquestFitness I just got a 35 and a 20 year old rounded up for church. I wonder which of us had an easier time!? Have a a great Sunday, brother.
Thank you very much for this very interesting and well made video.
In addition to a snubby and a pepper spray, a well rounded "thick fashion magazine" can be an efficient tool for a citizen facing an agressor with a blade.
Thanks for bringing that up. Non-apparent and ordinary objects can be used for self defense.
Thank you for another helpful close quarters video!
Another good video Greg. Training is key, as well as situational awareness. Thanks for your knowledge and demonstration.
Sorry, I'm late Greg. My buddy and I are back from meeting Paul Harrell. He appeared at small Lions Club in Western Missouri of all places. Apparently, his son lives in tbat area, so it makes sense.
Either way, Paul was wearing his signature 1970's jacket, and he couldn't have been nicer. He asked me about my model 640 and my Shield Plus, and I complimented him on his presentation, his knowledge, and shooting abilities. Paul even had numerous revolvers, semi-autos, and rifles (from his presentations) laid out on a couple of tables.
I made sure to pass along well wishes from Dan the Wolfman, Gun Sam, you, and otbers. I told Paul about your channel, and that i believe you and he are cut of the same cloth. They physical fitness, the skills, etc.
He apeared to be in good health and good spirits. Paul was happy to take pictures with us, and signed our pics of him that i had printed from the internet. He signed one for our 81 year old friend who was unable to come along due to a recent blood clot.
Anyway, I've rambled on and on. It was an honor and privilege to meet Paul Harell. He, as well as Greg Newton, Hickock45, Honest Outlaw, Gun Sam, and a myriad of others are doing yeoman's work for the 2nd Ammendment. I can't wait to meet the rest of you.
And you be the judge...😉
@@LionquestFitness "Don't try this at home. I'm what you call a professional."
Thanks for that Tyler😊
Glad to see you and your friends had a great time.🎉
Les and Greg, as luck would have it, Hickock45 is going to be at a gun store next Saturday. It appears to be within 2 hours and 40 minutes of where iI live. I'm hoping to go. Hickock45 and Paul Harrell in a week's time. Maybe Greg will show up somewhere the next weekend. 😂
Can't get me far from home!@@tylermorrison7051
Great Video, Greg. I’ve always used the thumbs over grip, and it was simply natural for me. I like the Jelly Bryce stance, but never use it. 👍
I used that stance for some time until someone mentioned that being a lefty and crouching to the right put me in the line of fire of most shooters who shoot low and left.
@@LionquestFitness I never thought of that! 😳
Good points and instruction Greg! Much appreciated.
great advice again. i used to wrap my right thumb over my left hand when shooting (i'm a lefty, too, and my first handgun was a 6" ruger security six i bought in 1984) until shooting a friend's astra constable, which sliced my thumb. i can still see a trace of the scar if i look hard enough, and that occured sometime in the mid 80's. my grip now is kind of funky with my support thumb on top of the shooting thumb. i think gun sam does the same. the snub nosed 357 is probably the best get-off-me gun there is, easy to conceal and packing one of the deadliest punches.
Yep, I tried that grip with a 1911. No dice. The tactical folks don't recommend this, but I have one grip for revolvers, one for modern polymer pistols, and one for 1911's.
Great vid, Greg! And great memories of Mr. Holster…what a gentleman!
Luv’ya guys take care🇵🇷👍🏻
God Bless you Ricky! Thanks for stopping by.
Great tips sir
Excellent Advice! 👍🏻🇺🇸
Thanks Greg!
As always, great information Greg!
Good advice & examples displayed there Greg.
Thanks Mark!
All good points. I love Gregg's instructions and most comments from viewers.
I appreciate very much the community here and it helps keep me between the ditches.
rock solid as always !!! thanks Greg !!!
Thanks Joe!
Excellent video and instruction. I am also familiar with the Street Survival books and training by Caliber Press. You keep putting common sense information out and don’t bother with the nay sayers! Clearly you have real world experience’s. Got into Police work almost 41 years ago so I can see your training. Thanks Greg.
I appreciate that Barry. I spent two decades in L.E. and have taught Law Enforcement in a high school career and tech center for almost another two decades.
Greg we love your coaching. Charter Arms Off Duty 38 Revolver has become a winner in our choice of snubbies because it is easier and far more comfortable in hand than our S&W 642, even though they’re almost identical.
Check it out and you’ll be pleasantly surprised.
I've been looking at Charter Arms here lately.
I will watch this informative video several times! I recently splurged on a Kimber K6XS. Light, easy to shoot plus P and very accurate. Still have my 642.
I've been seeing a lot of good reports on the K6XS.
Good video , informative , well presented . Keep them coming .
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Awesome video, thank you Greg!!
Been thinking about a 642/442, or Taurus 856 myself. Decisions…
The good thing about Taurus is that they are inexpensive enough to buy and then upgrade to another brand if you like a certain style of handgun.
@@LionquestFitnessthanks for another great video, Greg...who makes the grips on that 642 pls???
Ty
@@jeffanon1772 Precision Specialties out of Michigan.
I'd probably go with the 642/442. If you can afford one, I'm hearing good things about the 6-shot Kimber K6SX.
@@tylermorrison7051 I do tend to have a bit more confidence with the reputation👍. I wish I could do that timber, looks so beautiful. But where I am from it is not on the compliant list.😔
Where is Tyler?
I hope he kept notes from the gun show and checked out the bandannas 😊
I am curious to hear his impression of Paul Harrell in person.
Sorry, guys. It was 9 hours on the road, I had a nap, and it was balls to the wall getting my remaining work done. I'll put up a post about Harell in just a moment.
@@LionquestFitness me too.
@tylermorrison7051 no apologies required mate.
Sounds like you had a great time 😀
Looking forward to your evaluations, observations and thoughts 😀
@@lesgillard985 I posted on the main page, apart from our current conversation.
Thanks for sharing this sage advice, Greg.
Good video & real world advice. Thanks
👍👍Thanks Greg, I always appreciate your insight and advice on self defense. I would think people that mock you do not have the experience you do and have probably never been in a self defense situation. One thing that I’ve started doing as I’ve gotten older is carrying pepper/tear gas spray combo spray for a non lethal solution. Again I appreciate all you do and thoroughly enjoy your content.
When we are young we think we know many things, but as we age, if we are wise, we realize how little we know.
Greg, you are right snubbies will be with us and are very useful up close. Thanks for the lesson in different scenarios. Stay safe and well, RE:Desert_Boy/Robert
Hi Robert!
I hear ppl say revolver is outdated. But a 38spl feels the same as it did 50yr ago when cops used them to save their lives on a daily basis. If it killed ppl then it will now. And it's a guaranteed 5 shots even out of a pocket. I have S&W 442 and a 357mag snubbie I carry often. Great video
Yep, snarky people like Tim from Military Arms Channel are always hacking on revolvers. You just want to say, dude did your wife run off with some banker who carried a j frame? It is a self defense implement. It fits in normal people's lifestyles. The military hardware is fun, but we aren't in Road Warrior mode yet.
@@LionquestFitness Thanks Gregg for the breath of common sense talk. A very fine self-defense implement and EDC.
Thanks as a lefthand shooter love your videos
Well done.
Thanks Tom.
Informative video. Work i carry a Beretta Brigadier, which is bit bulky on plainsclothes and always liked idea of a J-Frames as off duty/walkaround. Unfortunately, no HP ammos here...
You make really good videos I appreciate you teaching us what you know Keep On Keepin On
Thank you Jesse.
GreaT lesson TY !
Good info!
Thank you.
Great vid. Ps. I know that "speed rock", never knew the name lol. I always thought it weird. (That is what you said, "speed rock"?) Have a great Sunday.
That is what it used to be called in the eighties and I had a buddy who was good at it, but it was never comfortable for me.
@@LionquestFitness cool.
I practise same things. I also practise running away.
And that is a better self defense technique than most!
Hey Greg, have you seen those RIA rock island arms revolvers? They are very affordable, you should get one for the channel. I have the 4 inch model. I have a gp100, a sp101, a Taurus 85, and a 642. Its not as pretty but its a solid shooter. Im thinking of getting the snub nose as a glove box gun.
Hi Kevin - a few years back a concealed hammer model was my CCW for a couple of years. I later gave it away to a friend who wanted to buy it. On the upside, for the costs, the RIA revolvers work and have an old school mystique. On the downside a vocal portion of people who bought the RIA's seemed to have had issues right out of the box.
My only complaint was that the wood grips on the snubs, which I loved the look of and made them concealable, didn't cover the backstrap and they chewed the web of my hand up from recoil. Still, I'm tempted to purchase one again everytime I see one. I probably will if I ever run across another hammerless model.
Greg, where did your friend get the holster? I have a model 637! Before retirement, I carried it in an ankle holster. I have an assortment of pistols, but I like to carry the airweight as a pocket pistol. Any suggestions! Thanks
@@tomemery3916 it is a galco. They still have it listed on their website, but they seem to make them only in black now.
I really enjoy your videos, it's obvious you've had some martial training (Kung Fu or Japanese karate maybe?) Myself I studied years of Okinawan (Isshinryu) karate.
Imo you're giving quite good advice. Your basic lessons for subnose defense like these are very similar if not downright exact to things I learned about fighting with a one handed weapon, like a knife for example,. Ideas I learned that translate nearly perfectly to a small revolver as youre showing here. There's small differences from what I learned, for example I learned to step forward with a head block like the one you executed, the reason to keep your weapon (or just the empty hand you will counter strike with) a few inches further away and protected from your attacker. And slightly different mechanics of that move, more angle to the block and thumb on top using the other side of the arm to make the block, bone and muscle take the hit not leaving the veins and softer underside of the arm exposed but, that's just the way I learned it, they're both an effective way to protect the more important thing, your head... well anyway (sorry bit of insomnia, I'm going on and on) Anyway, again, point being keep up the great vids.
Nice to see more good solid info on imo the smarter choice for personal protection, the probably last thought of choice for too many people out there the often overlooked snubby.
I did a lot of years with Korean Hapkido and later Kajukenbo. You make a good point about blocking the underside of the attackers arm as more of a slash with the forearm. In Hapkido I learned many soft style techniques for blocking to redirect their energy. However, in practicality, a hard block using the bone on the underside of their arm, would be easier taught and more effective. You just don't won't to hit bone on bone, unless you've conditioned your arm.
Long before I got back into firearms training I read an article by Hock Hochheim about the end of the journey after years of martial arts training and the aging body slowing down, self-defense came down to the old .38 on the hip. That resonated with me, and twenty something years later, it definitely has applicability.
@LionquestFitness I could tell you had some serious training. A couple lessons my first sensei taught me that never left me were the more you learn about self defense the faster you'll be able to tell who has also been trained just by watching little things about the person's movements demeanor ect. And of course the other more important lesson, no matter how tough you are, there's always someone out there that can kick your ass 😉
Approaching late middle age I have complete empathy for the slowing body that seems less and less capable as time goes by. Years of iron body training when I was younger has slowly given way to learning to deal with the resulting arthritis... if they only had a way to fight the inevitable aging and degradation of the human body, right. I'd probably be practicing that now. But that's one contest none of us can win. I just try keep in shape and keep the score close until the end of the game.
I'm going to check out that article you mentioned when I get a chance, sounds like some interesting insight.
Keep up the good work
A lot of truth in your observations!
As always a good video. How would you adjust this for someone using a rolling walker who has to keep their support hand on the walker due to balance issues
For obvious reasons your abilities to defend are limited. Any threat could be a deadly threat to you because of it. Presentation of your firearm would be your first line of defense. Combined with your verbal challenge I'd practice a one handed draw, working as many angles of attack as you can. On the range, do all your shooting one handed, or if you can't get to a range practice dry fire with one hand. Challenge and draw, visualize your attacker's response, and point and shoot. Practice some with the attack stopping and you retreating the best you can. Remember that every year hundreds of thousands of criminals are stopped by the presentation of a firearm. But, still keep the mindset of stopping an attack by firing if the attacker doesn't stop.
Very informative Grambo.
Make your opinion known/warning.
Show your intention. Stepping back and drawing revolver.
The attacker is given the option, as to yhe outcome 😊
That hat your wearing is a well camouflaged bandanna. 😊
LOL - I need a haircut. My wife wants me to grow it long again.
@LionquestFitness Greg... remember, happy wife, long life.
Ask you better half what she thinks... longer hair, motorcycle, what your next pistols should be 😀 = one happy Grambo 😊 😃 😀 😄 😁
Sorry I'm late to the game. We had a 9 hour round trip drive to Western Missouri to see Paul Harrell..As for the hair, Greg. Grow it long, my friend. The Grambo bandana will really stand, surrounding that flowing mane! 😂
I'm still doing volunteer fire and rescue, plus professionally it wouldn't fit. But, I am going to retire this year or next.@@tylermorrison7051
Also when you get time, tell about the Paul Harrell seminar. @@tylermorrison7051
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Gonna try out a colt detective special d frame at the range this week. It was passed down to me. I prefer smiths or even the ruger push button cylinder release to the rear pull colts. any thoughts on the old colts?
Other than I wished I had one, no. Enjoy and treasure the one you have. They go for a pretty penny these days.
@@LionquestFitness I saw prices a bit more than 800
A few years ago I had the money in hand for a Detective gen 4, which is my favorite, and it had been sold two hours earlier. It was $800 or so. Oh well such is life. 😄@@jeffpaul8260
@LionquestFitness a heard that Greg! I am gonna shoot it and let you know. Have a blessed day brother!
Good solid information Greg. I’m trying to work my cane into that type of scenario as well. Any suggestions?
@@Paul-s7y4t My Internet has been limited due the recent storm blowing through the Southeast. Otherwise I'd hunt and link a couple of videos for you. Search Lionquest Fitness cane self defense. The other search Lionquest Fitness defensive shooting and aging. If you don't find them let me know.
Greg has an interesting voice. Can anyone say (roughly) where he's from?
LOL - I can vouch for him. Upstate SC; the most southern area considered Appalachia.
What grip is that?
Precision Specialty Hideout Grips out of Wisconsin.
defense videos despite capacity show revolvers to work or create that break in contact, in general criminals dont like the odds that even though you dont have enough for them all wich is proven over and over again, for example 10 guys and 6 rounds, none of them know or want to be that margin of 4 left out and you still have a reload, just like sky diving you got 10 parachutes and we wont tell you that 4 wont open, want to try it or 10 guys are forced in a cage with 6 hungry lions and you wont have anyone take a chance even though 4 guys wont be a meal, another thing is gun fights happen so fast they dont even know you have a revolver and they are not counting shots because its a bad time to count when your being shot at, thus no one does it because of the tunnel vision of adrenaine making even criminals retreat to the survival instinct of running, training with what you carry despite capacity is more important then any thing and also in defense research we cant lump law enforcement in the research with private citizen research because there are differences in a private citizen defending them selves and law enforcement, for example private citizens its mostly defending and cover, if bad guys run you dont have to chase where as law enforcement in the revolver days after you took cover and defended your self you still have to chase to put cuffs on, this requires more resources including ammo because unlike leaving the gun fight a private citizen left your going to additional gun fights, this is why in defense research with revolvers we cant compare them with the revolver days of law enforcement who couldnt break contact like a private citizen but has a duty to go yet to more danger looking for bad guy losing the element of suprise in a shoot out because bad guys who flee now it could be another gun fight after police chase and catch them possibly being able to ambush a police officer, some times a private citizen will play cop or sheep dog but do not have duty to do that other then moral delema of wanting to defend some one other then themselves and family or go chase suspect risking being in a court system who will punish you for helping others or even blamming your for deaths of others criminal killed and you only wanted to help, so you got law and morals to decide. often straw dummy arguments anti revolver people like to pick is a example of a person with a revolver losing a gun fight but what they dont mention is gun fight loses where a person had 17 rounds and lost, so its much more then capacity and many variables to consider like your tactical response and how you use the gun, a small example how your not better off 17 rounds then a guy with 6 rounds is if your out in the open praying and spraying vs a revolver guy who trains with cover and uses it and then shoots with good shot placement
Some very good points. Periods and separating paragraphs would help for other people to read your post, however.
@@LionquestFitness yes thats true, i think a few spaces and more periods may lay it out better, i push those reading glasses to the limit some times😅
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IMO the revolver should be out of sight and not mentioned until you need to draw and shoot to avoid a Brandishing charge. Backing away and yelling “get back” should be loud and early in any confrontation. Get out of there without a fight if possible,it ain’t worth it.
@@phillipdewitt4454 Very true
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You’ve got a real Founding Fathers looking face. Like a George Washington gene pool type
@@FlapjackKalanchoe Well, no Virginia aristocracy in my background. I am a mix of English, Scotch Irish and Native American. Although, as a young man working as an artist's model I was told the same thing.
If things go really South, and you end up on the ground, the J-Frame doesn't care how you hold it when you shoot. It's like an extension of your hand.
I've never been in a confrontation. But if you have several people getting ready to team up, you may get away with tagging the leader. I don't recall how many rounds Kyle Rittenhouse fired. I think it was fewer than five. Personally, I would avoid a riot if I had that option.
You and me both!
Come on man, how can you expect to be part of the tactikewl operators if you don't do mag dumps on camera? (just kidding/sarcasm). Now to get real, thanks for the common sense gun training. Especially pointing out unloaded training.
When it comes to the snub nose revolver, you are the best. Thanks.
Still, my favorite carry gun.
Thanks Bob!