Hey Chris, I picked up one of those monitors to use with my soon to acquire MiniMig. I got a sweet deal from a place in Montreal. Thanks for the recommendation.
My personal list of monitors that will sync to Amiga 500 NTSC 15khz signals with a buffered VGA adapter: Acer B226WL Acer B227Q bmiprx (slightly blurry image unenhanced, the only sharpness adjustment is super-sharpness on/off, with super-sharpness on image is acceptable) Acer B246HL Acer R240HY Acer S220HQL Acer G226HQL (panel has narrow viewing angle) Acer G235H Acer G276HL Acer H226HQL bid (tested with 15khz tester) Acer H276HL Acer H233H bmid (from 2010, adjusting horizontal clock or activating auto adjust will make image unstable (horizontal jittering) until you either powercycle or cycle the monitor input from VGA to HDMI and back to VGA) Acer KA272 bi (2020) (works with 15khz tester) Acer V196HQL Ab (panel has narrow viewing angle) Acer V196WL b Acer V203H Cjbd Asus VE228 Asus VE248H (2017) Asus VE248Q (works with 15khz tester) Asus VH238 (warning: I have also found an Asus VH238H that does not work with a 15khz tester, so maybe not all Asus VH238 work.) Asus VS248P Benq RL2755-B (OSD info says RL2755T) Dell P2210 Dell ST2210b Dell ST2410b (wants to auto adjust upon Amiga boot/reset) Dell ST2420Lb (tested with 15khz tester) Dell ST2421Lb Dell P2310 Dell U2410 (auto adjust works well, manually changing the phase/clock will make the screen will go wonky, cycle inputs to return to normal, zoom to 15 will fill the screen) Dell U2212HMc (93 for pixel clock, 10 for hpos, 80 for vpos is perfect) Dell E2213Hb (note that the E2213c does not work with 15khz signals but the E2213Hb does work with 15khz signals) Dell E2214Hb Dell P2214H Dell P2314H Dell E2414H Dell P2414H Dell SE2717H Dell P2018H Dell 1220 Projector Epson EX3220 Projector Epson VS340 Projector HP Elitedisplay E231i (this is the one with the IPS panel, the EliteDisplay E231 doesn't work) Infocus IN24+ W240 Projector (tested with 15khz tester) Infocus ScreenPlay 4805 Projector (works with non interlace on M1-DA interface with VGA/USB cable, but interlace is scrambled and unusable) Lenovo LT2252p wide (switching from interlace to non interlace can cause screen to go blank, either reset amiga or use dpaint 3 to change resolution to bring it back, recommend non interlace only) NEC Multisync E222W (tested with 15khz tester) NEC Multisync EA241WM (detects a500 NTSC as 640x200 (completely fills screen to edges) when in non-interlace and 720x480 when in interlace (displays inset from edges)) NEC Multisync EA261WM (tested with 15khz vga tester, 320x240 fills screen like EA241WM, assume it has similar behavior to EA241WM, very heavy 27 lbs) NEC VT570 Projector Planar PLL2210W (interlace is normal size) Planar PLL2410W (non interlace mode ok, interlace modes are double width so right half is off screen) Philips 17PF8946/37 17" LCD TV Sceptre E275W Seiki SE22HY01 Television Viewsonic VA2246mh-LED Viewsonic VA2259-smh Viewsonic VA2703-LED (auto adjust puts vertical screen position halfway up, but position/size can be manually adjusted) Viewsonic VA2746mh-LED (tested with 15khz tester only) Viewsonic VG2239m-LED (auto adjust puts vertical screen position halfway up, but position/size can be manually adjusted) Zalman Trimon MZ240ED (screen goes blank for a few (5-20) seconds while switching from interlace to non interlace, otherwise fine, recommend using non interlace only) One thing I've noticed is that almost all of the monitors do the same "wrong line" interlace display on Amiga signals. The Seiki SE22HY01 Television does proper deinterlacing that looks good. Also the Dell U2410 will do a proper job with interlace. It appears that many dell monitors have a SSYY pattern where SS is the diagonal size and YY is the year, and the years 2010 and 2014 were very good years as 2010 had the U2410, P2210, P2310, ST2210b and 2014 had the E2214, P2214, P2314, E2414, P2414. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_monitors Projectors will typically take a few seconds to lock on to the signal when you switch to interlace from non-interlace and vice versa. After purchasing and finding many monitors that don't work, a 15khz tester from pcbjunkie has helped find monitors that will actually work with a 15khz signal. Search the web for "15khz tester".
@@ChrisEdwardsRestoration If you have an LCD television with a YPbPr component input, you can get an RGBS/VGA to YPBPR adapter to hook up to a buffered VGA adapter. A compatible TV will be able to display and deinterlace the 15khz signals. (Not all TVs will work with 240p/480i signals, I would say about half of the ones I've tried will work) I tried a Sony KDL-32EX400 recently and it is beautiful. And if you hook up the Amiga 500's composite output to an LCD TV video in, most will do perfect deinterlacing, though the a500 composite is in black and white.
Nice video and definitely thinking of picking up one of those monitors. Curious if you prefer any newer monitor over this for your Amiga? Also, do you work with computers for your day job too? You are definitely a wonderful tech guru. Thanks for your helpful videos!
Got one of these Dell U2410F a few months ago. Have you noticed that it requires some "Warm up" time until it reaches full illumination? It also seems noticeably dimmer than most modern monitors but I like the fact that the black colors are really black with no back-glow that most IPS monitors have. Also seems to get noticeably warm.
I have a U2405F (yeah, an old one!) and it's the same, I think the fluorescent backlight just takes longer to warm up as it gets older. But once warmed up it does still have a pretty bright display and the blacks are much better than my newer U2415b's.
I NEED TO FIND A BARGAIN RC060- like the one Jan Beta found in optical recognition cards- cause $300+ isn't worth it, as my Allen Marks TF1260 sans FPU doesn't run a lot of good stuff (and there's no oxypatcher equiv for the TF!)
So you like old Dell monitors? I have one I'm not using from 2010 (AC100-240V,50-60Hz,1.2A) if you're interested. It only has the 25-pin video connector, and a space on the back for wall mounting (yeah, right; it's about 21")
I get first comment. I'm still waiting now at nearly 3 months for the 1200 mobo from amigakit. Course I've gotta find a keyboard. But I was planning on just going 1230 on this one.
Strange coincidence. I also ordered an A1200 mobo back in February on Amigakit and it shows as "Status: Technical Configuration" for whatever this means.
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That snap soud when the cpu is inserted in the socket made me so nervous.
Great episode! Thanks for all you do because it helps make this hobby fun! (and expensive 😅)
Ah, the ‘060. Ancient history. So glad to see your expertise.
Hey Chris, I picked up one of those monitors to use with my soon to acquire MiniMig. I got a sweet deal from a place in Montreal. Thanks for the recommendation.
So nice!!!!! 👍👍👍👍
Great video =D 94Mhz might work OK with that rev 5!
I got a new monitor this week as well, A clean desk is a sign of a sick mind, But it is handy when you need space ..
My personal list of monitors that will sync to Amiga 500 NTSC 15khz signals with a buffered VGA adapter:
Acer B226WL
Acer B227Q bmiprx (slightly blurry image unenhanced, the only sharpness adjustment is super-sharpness on/off, with super-sharpness on image is acceptable)
Acer B246HL
Acer R240HY
Acer S220HQL
Acer G226HQL (panel has narrow viewing angle)
Acer G235H
Acer G276HL
Acer H226HQL bid (tested with 15khz tester)
Acer H276HL
Acer H233H bmid (from 2010, adjusting horizontal clock or activating auto adjust will make image unstable (horizontal jittering) until you either powercycle or cycle the monitor input from VGA to HDMI and back to VGA)
Acer KA272 bi (2020) (works with 15khz tester)
Acer V196HQL Ab (panel has narrow viewing angle)
Acer V196WL b
Acer V203H Cjbd
Asus VE228
Asus VE248H (2017)
Asus VE248Q (works with 15khz tester)
Asus VH238 (warning: I have also found an Asus VH238H that does not work with a 15khz tester, so maybe not all Asus VH238 work.)
Asus VS248P
Benq RL2755-B (OSD info says RL2755T)
Dell P2210
Dell ST2210b
Dell ST2410b (wants to auto adjust upon Amiga boot/reset)
Dell ST2420Lb (tested with 15khz tester)
Dell ST2421Lb
Dell P2310
Dell U2410 (auto adjust works well, manually changing the phase/clock will make the screen will go wonky, cycle inputs to return to normal, zoom to 15 will fill the screen)
Dell U2212HMc (93 for pixel clock, 10 for hpos, 80 for vpos is perfect)
Dell E2213Hb (note that the E2213c does not work with 15khz signals but the E2213Hb does work with 15khz signals)
Dell E2214Hb
Dell P2214H
Dell P2314H
Dell E2414H
Dell P2414H
Dell SE2717H
Dell P2018H
Dell 1220 Projector
Epson EX3220 Projector
Epson VS340 Projector
HP Elitedisplay E231i (this is the one with the IPS panel, the EliteDisplay E231 doesn't work)
Infocus IN24+ W240 Projector (tested with 15khz tester)
Infocus ScreenPlay 4805 Projector (works with non interlace on M1-DA interface with VGA/USB cable, but interlace is scrambled and unusable)
Lenovo LT2252p wide (switching from interlace to non interlace can cause screen to go blank, either reset amiga or use dpaint 3 to change resolution to bring it back, recommend non interlace only)
NEC Multisync E222W (tested with 15khz tester)
NEC Multisync EA241WM (detects a500 NTSC as 640x200 (completely fills screen to edges) when in non-interlace and 720x480 when in interlace (displays inset from edges))
NEC Multisync EA261WM (tested with 15khz vga tester, 320x240 fills screen like EA241WM, assume it has similar behavior to EA241WM, very heavy 27 lbs)
NEC VT570 Projector
Planar PLL2210W (interlace is normal size)
Planar PLL2410W (non interlace mode ok, interlace modes are double width so right half is off screen)
Philips 17PF8946/37 17" LCD TV
Sceptre E275W
Seiki SE22HY01 Television
Viewsonic VA2246mh-LED
Viewsonic VA2259-smh
Viewsonic VA2703-LED (auto adjust puts vertical screen position halfway up, but position/size can be manually adjusted)
Viewsonic VA2746mh-LED (tested with 15khz tester only)
Viewsonic VG2239m-LED (auto adjust puts vertical screen position halfway up, but position/size can be manually adjusted)
Zalman Trimon MZ240ED (screen goes blank for a few (5-20) seconds while switching from interlace to non interlace, otherwise fine, recommend using non interlace only)
One thing I've noticed is that almost all of the monitors do the same "wrong line" interlace display on Amiga signals. The Seiki SE22HY01 Television does proper deinterlacing that looks good. Also the Dell U2410 will do a proper job with interlace.
It appears that many dell monitors have a SSYY pattern where SS is the diagonal size and YY is the year, and the years 2010 and 2014 were very good years as 2010 had the U2410, P2210, P2310, ST2210b and 2014 had the E2214, P2214, P2314, E2414, P2414. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_monitors
Projectors will typically take a few seconds to lock on to the signal when you switch to interlace from non-interlace and vice versa.
After purchasing and finding many monitors that don't work, a 15khz tester from pcbjunkie has helped find monitors that will actually work with a 15khz signal. Search the web for "15khz tester".
Quite the comment thank you! My dell u2410-f is from 2018 and works fine
@@ChrisEdwardsRestoration If you have an LCD television with a YPbPr component input, you can get an RGBS/VGA to YPBPR adapter to hook up to a buffered VGA adapter. A compatible TV will be able to display and deinterlace the 15khz signals. (Not all TVs will work with 240p/480i signals, I would say about half of the ones I've tried will work) I tried a Sony KDL-32EX400 recently and it is beautiful.
And if you hook up the Amiga 500's composite output to an LCD TV video in, most will do perfect deinterlacing, though the a500 composite is in black and white.
Nice video and definitely thinking of picking up one of those monitors. Curious if you prefer any newer monitor over this for your Amiga? Also, do you work with computers for your day job too? You are definitely a wonderful tech guru. Thanks for your helpful videos!
I have many and this ones my best
I got an LC060 for my TF1260. It is much more enjoyable than the pistorm32....it is just emulation
You really pushed it in ... hard 😂
brilliant as always this vid features in an upcoming vid ive done lol
Got one of these Dell U2410F a few months ago. Have you noticed that it requires some "Warm up" time until it reaches full illumination? It also seems noticeably dimmer than most modern monitors but I like the fact that the black colors are really black with no back-glow that most IPS monitors have. Also seems to get noticeably warm.
I have a U2405F (yeah, an old one!) and it's the same, I think the fluorescent backlight just takes longer to warm up as it gets older. But once warmed up it does still have a pretty bright display and the blacks are much better than my newer U2415b's.
Not even Jesus, can find that cpu removal tool. Lol😂
The rare PGA chip removal tool.😯
I NEED TO FIND A BARGAIN RC060- like the one Jan Beta found in optical recognition cards- cause $300+ isn't worth it, as my Allen Marks TF1260 sans FPU doesn't run a lot of good stuff (and there's no oxypatcher equiv for the TF!)
i have a special ebay seller from china that has earned his trust with Amiga people, legit R6's 350$ 100mhz all day long. i emailed you.
It's an Amiga. You never know if it will boot when you turn it on, or if you will have to fiddle with it to bring it back to life.
New firmware out dude ver 68090, so if you have chance reflash it
Is it normal to achieve 6.xx chipspeed vs. A600 on Sysinfo with firmware 1000? Mine does only around 2.5…
@@o_guguito Sysinfo is good comparison but not the best but we all use it don`t we, I get around that too :)
Cool - will have to check that out!
So you like old Dell monitors?
I have one I'm not using from 2010 (AC100-240V,50-60Hz,1.2A) if you're interested.
It only has the 25-pin video connector, and a space on the back for wall mounting (yeah, right; it's about 21")
im pretty full up but thank you, 25 pin? what is that for?
@@ChrisEdwardsRestoration
My bad. Had to put on my helmet off goober to see 3 rows of 5 pins/holes… so 15 pin.
My rev5 060 ran fine at 60Mhz. You probably wont get above 75Mhz anyway.
I get first comment.
I'm still waiting now at nearly 3 months for the 1200 mobo from amigakit. Course I've gotta find a keyboard. But I was planning on just going 1230 on this one.
Strange coincidence. I also ordered an A1200 mobo back in February on Amigakit and it shows as "Status: Technical Configuration" for whatever this means.
@@antiriad I've had a mixed bag of results with them. But seeing you're waiting since Feb, that lowers my hopes further.