One of the most interesting things about the ending is that, contrary to the old western trope, there is no redemption in the end. Yes, the bad guys die but Munny is a broken man. Violence is not really the cleansing force that it traditionally is in the western.
I wouldn’t say Munny is Broken, you have to remember he was always a cold blooded murder and that only his cleaned up his act. Munny merely reverted back to his old ways when he had found out Ned had been killed by Little Bill. Munny was happy to take his revenge.
I agree but he didn't really kill the "good" guys. They were all part of the Sheriff's team. And William Munny was a bounty hunter...he could really be considered the "bad guy." That's what makes this film morally different and even profound.
The 90's nostalgia in American film cemented what I call the "death of the genre". Unforgiven with westerns, Titanic with the dramatic epic, Saving Private Ryan with the war epic, Schindler's List and the biographical epic, Goodfellas AND Casino with gangster films... for me the 21st century started with a high demand for a "broader categorization" of films and genres because the 90's were so grand in their scope of nostalgia for genre films that those who still try to include themselves as part of the gente have more difficulty and way higher standards coming off as pure nostalgia and/or a bit unoriginal or they momentarily succeed in their nostalgia but few years go by and we realize we have moved on over them. A few films I believe did very well in the 21st century being very inserted in their (sub)genres are Brokeback Mountain (western, aesthetically reminds me of Shane a lot), There Will Be Blood (moral epic) and The Social Network (biopic)
A phenomenal western I watch yearly, along with High Plains Drifter. Interesting view on force of nature i.e. disease being a force that influences his life.
Because there's so many ways to enjoy it. Meaning you can casually watch the story unfold the first time around. Enjoy the absence of a sugar coating. Then go back and really listen to it, the simplicity/style of dialog and way of speak, the soundtrack and the incredible sound editing (the use/timing of thunder claps to convey evil and menace are perfection in this movie). Then watch again for the scale and scope and beauty of the cinematography, the authenticity of the extreme dim dark settings of the 1880s, the "history" on Munny's face. No external prettiness, all grit. The idea/juxtaposition of justice and decency being bought from the true evil among us, the Unforgiven. The lack of "hero". I can go on and on. It's a masterpiece, damn I love this movie.
I think the parallel with Book of Judges is right, especially when you notice the prostitute who is being cut off at the beginning of the movie is called Delilla
"The good, the bad and the ugly" also problematizes violence in scene with the battle for the bridge between North and South. One of the characters said that he had never saw such a lot of men dying for nothing. At the end, they destroy the bridge which was a reason for dying many, to find a place on where they will settle their particular interests. For character, Carl Schmitt said that is from ancient greek word charassein and means engrave, carve in the face of earth, and that sea, according to Schmitt, doesn't have character. That is a power of Leone's close-ups, everything is on the face engraving, no psychology, no past, no future, not even the names (Blondie, Tuco, Angel eyes, Harmonica, scene in which North captain ask Tuco and than Blondie for their names, and they both says:"Aaaaaa!"), we even don't know is Harmonica's revenge is justify, maybe his brother was the worst member of the gang. All "Once upon a time in the West" is Carl Scmitt theory about land and see civilizations. The hole story is about the only source of water in desert necessary for trains and railroad which should connecting , again water - two oceans.The main scene is when Frank said that he is not a businessman, but just a man, and Harmonica answered to him:"An ancient race!". At the end, camera is crossing over Harmonica, and showing workers which symbolize the passing of time of people of charassein, and coming the time of the people of functions. And that is beginning of "The unforgiven". Munny akka Blondie is now just of one of those man with social function. He has no character, he has fammily, past, and needs money for future. Whiskey make him Blondie. But, he has no power of non psychological ancient greece's archetypes of Blondie, Harmonica, Tuco, who don't have past or future, just now!!!! Revenge in "Once upon a time in the West" is the last cause for the man who vanishing in history. In "The Unforgiven" revenge is not enough, because time of Harmonica is lost, so whiskey became the initiator of the revenge, but everything is under the needs for money, for saving business, for new business.In "Once upon the time in the West" Frank said that now nothing is important, not land, not money, not woman, that only want to see Harmonica, because he is bothered by his pure existence!!!! Those is civilisation gap between Leone's westerns and "The unvorgiven".
@@LearningaboutMovies Yes. Because Munny is no liquid in financial meaning, he is using liquid (whiskey) to became liquid.Fluid (identity) civilization ;)))))))
I have always considered this movie as the deconstruction of the typical western. The 'protagonist' is literally a hired killer, and the main antagonist is the sheriff, which typically is the hero in westerns, and there are no heroes, or even decent people, really. It's basically just reversing all the typical western tropes.
It would be interesting to hear your comparison of Ken Watanabe's remake of Unforgiven. He asked Eastwood's permission during Flags of Our Fathers. Set in 1880s Hokkaido, it follows Clint's closely.
Much, if not most, of the violence in the West was directly attributable to alcohol. Munny was relatively benign until he starts drinking. You can see him, in the movie, stoking his rage and violence with whiskey.
What are your favourite Westerns? Mine are The Searchers, Once Upon a Time in the West, and Unforgiven. But there are some big ones like Stagecoach, Josey Wales, and The Wild Bunch that I haven't seen yet.
on letterboxd, I have a favorite Westerns list -- I'd send you over there to check that out. I just recorded a favorite Westerns video, coming out in a few months.
Most Towns in the Old West were VERY Pro gun control. Tombstone, Dodge City, Abilene TX or KS just to name a few had a mandatory Ordinance that as you arrived you had to immediately turn over your guns to the Town Sheriff/Marshals Office. You had to remain unarmed for the remainder of your stay.
''Spielbergian'' -indeed. The shots,the framing and compositions. And Spielberg gets much of his inspiration from John Ford. th-cam.com/video/DfUw4SN1Nig/w-d-xo.html
A question sorry it has nothing to do with unforgiven but for a new silent movie watcher which of the following 2 would you recommend: The kid or Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans? I want to get my mother into silent movies, she isn't a big fan of slapstick.
Please pronounce William's surname correctly. Makes me wonder if you actually watched the money. I quit listening to you within the first couple of minutes. Good luck
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His name is pronounced as "Money" multiple times in the movie. It's not out of line for him to call you out for mispronouncing it.@@LearningaboutMovies
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Easily in my Top10 favorite films ever. Epic final 15 minutes.
excellent, thank you.
One of the most interesting things about the ending is that, contrary to the old western trope, there is no redemption in the end. Yes, the bad guys die but Munny is a broken man. Violence is not really the cleansing force that it traditionally is in the western.
definitely.
They were all "bad guys". All were the "Unforgiven".
I wouldn’t say Munny is Broken, you have to remember he was always a cold blooded murder and that only his cleaned up his act. Munny merely reverted back to his old ways when he had found out Ned had been killed by Little Bill. Munny was happy to take his revenge.
I agree but he didn't really kill the "good" guys. They were all part of the Sheriff's team. And William Munny was a bounty hunter...he could really be considered the "bad guy." That's what makes this film morally different and even profound.
The 90's nostalgia in American film cemented what I call the "death of the genre". Unforgiven with westerns, Titanic with the dramatic epic, Saving Private Ryan with the war epic, Schindler's List and the biographical epic, Goodfellas AND Casino with gangster films... for me the 21st century started with a high demand for a "broader categorization" of films and genres because the 90's were so grand in their scope of nostalgia for genre films that those who still try to include themselves as part of the gente have more difficulty and way higher standards coming off as pure nostalgia and/or a bit unoriginal or they momentarily succeed in their nostalgia but few years go by and we realize we have moved on over them. A few films I believe did very well in the 21st century being very inserted in their (sub)genres are Brokeback Mountain (western, aesthetically reminds me of Shane a lot), There Will Be Blood (moral epic) and The Social Network (biopic)
A phenomenal western I watch yearly, along with High Plains Drifter. Interesting view on force of nature i.e. disease being a force that influences his life.
Unforgiven is simply an excellent movie. Now why I can't say. You simply must watch it to understand why it has the value it has.
Because there's so many ways to enjoy it. Meaning you can casually watch the story unfold the first time around. Enjoy the absence of a sugar coating. Then go back and really listen to it, the simplicity/style of dialog and way of speak, the soundtrack and the incredible sound editing (the use/timing of thunder claps to convey evil and menace are perfection in this movie). Then watch again for the scale and scope and beauty of the cinematography, the authenticity of the extreme dim dark settings of the 1880s, the "history" on Munny's face. No external prettiness, all grit. The idea/juxtaposition of justice and decency being bought from the true evil among us, the Unforgiven. The lack of "hero". I can go on and on. It's a masterpiece, damn I love this movie.
I think the parallel with Book of Judges is right, especially when you notice the prostitute who is being cut off at the beginning of the movie is called Delilla
Unforgiven has an interesting parrallel to Logan. An outlaw who is old and tired and just wants to rest but the world wont let him.
Logan is based on the comic books that is influenced by this movie.
That's EVERY old man's sentiment...tired, wants to rest but can't, there's always something left to do. Rest comes with death.
"The good, the bad and the ugly" also problematizes violence in scene with the battle for the bridge between North and South. One of the characters said that he had never saw such a lot of men dying for nothing. At the end, they destroy the bridge which was a reason for dying many, to find a place on where they will settle their particular interests. For character, Carl Schmitt said that is from ancient greek word charassein and means engrave, carve in the face of earth, and that sea, according to Schmitt, doesn't have character. That is a power of Leone's close-ups, everything is on the face engraving, no psychology, no past, no future, not even the names (Blondie, Tuco, Angel eyes, Harmonica, scene in which North captain ask Tuco and than Blondie for their names, and they both says:"Aaaaaa!"), we even don't know is Harmonica's revenge is justify, maybe his brother was the worst member of the gang. All "Once upon a time in the West" is Carl Scmitt theory about land and see civilizations. The hole story is about the only source of water in desert necessary for trains and railroad which should connecting , again water - two oceans.The main scene is when Frank said that he is not a businessman, but just a man, and Harmonica answered to him:"An ancient race!". At the end, camera is crossing over Harmonica, and showing workers which symbolize the passing of time of people of charassein, and coming the time of the people of functions. And that is beginning of "The unforgiven". Munny akka Blondie is now just of one of those man with social function. He has no character, he has fammily, past, and needs money for future. Whiskey make him Blondie. But, he has no power of non psychological ancient greece's archetypes of Blondie, Harmonica, Tuco, who don't have past or future, just now!!!! Revenge in "Once upon a time in the West" is the last cause for the man who vanishing in history. In "The Unforgiven" revenge is not enough, because time of Harmonica is lost, so whiskey became the initiator of the revenge, but everything is under the needs for money, for saving business, for new business.In "Once upon the time in the West" Frank said that now nothing is important, not land, not money, not woman, that only want to see Harmonica, because he is bothered by his pure existence!!!! Those is civilisation gap between Leone's westerns and "The unvorgiven".
good stuff in this! thank you. You really could construct a whole theory of movie-viewing through Schmitt.
@@LearningaboutMovies Yes. Because Munny is no liquid in financial meaning, he is using liquid (whiskey) to became liquid.Fluid (identity) civilization ;)))))))
I have always considered this movie as the deconstruction of the typical western. The 'protagonist' is literally a hired killer, and the main antagonist is the sheriff, which typically is the hero in westerns, and there are no heroes, or even decent people, really. It's basically just reversing all the typical western tropes.
It would be interesting to hear your comparison of Ken Watanabe's remake of Unforgiven. He asked Eastwood's permission during Flags of Our Fathers. Set in 1880s Hokkaido, it follows Clint's closely.
Much, if not most, of the violence in the West was directly attributable to alcohol. Munny was relatively benign until he starts drinking. You can see him, in the movie, stoking his rage and violence with whiskey.
What are your favourite Westerns? Mine are The Searchers, Once Upon a Time in the West, and Unforgiven. But there are some big ones like Stagecoach, Josey Wales, and The Wild Bunch that I haven't seen yet.
on letterboxd, I have a favorite Westerns list -- I'd send you over there to check that out. I just recorded a favorite Westerns video, coming out in a few months.
@@LearningaboutMovies Nice! Thank you.
Tombstone
True grit. Old and new version, love them both!
I need to watch David Peoples interview.
Easily Eastwood's best film. Not too fond of anything he's done from Gran Torino to the present.
Most Towns in the Old West were VERY Pro gun control. Tombstone, Dodge City, Abilene TX or KS just to name a few had a mandatory Ordinance that as you arrived you had to immediately turn over your guns to the Town Sheriff/Marshals Office. You had to remain unarmed for the remainder of your stay.
" heart of Gold " by Neil Young
''Spielbergian'' -indeed. The shots,the framing and compositions. And Spielberg gets much of his inspiration from John Ford.
th-cam.com/video/DfUw4SN1Nig/w-d-xo.html
A question sorry it has nothing to do with unforgiven but for a new silent movie watcher which of the following 2 would you recommend: The kid or Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans? I want to get my mother into silent movies, she isn't a big fan of slapstick.
Both are great, yes.
My honest opinion: Unforgiven > all in The Man With No Name films
I agree with this, if you are looking for genre and character complexity, ambiguity, and wisdom.
Unforgiven=For a Few Dollars More
Lol no
@@prometheusjackson8787 I did say it was my opinion
Please pronounce William's surname correctly. Makes me wonder if you actually watched the money. I quit listening to you within the first couple of minutes. Good luck
if this is the only thing you care about, you're on the wrong channel. People like you can't keep up with the ideas, so they pick on smaller details that are easily corrected, especially when they can't type correctly ("money") or use punctuation properly. You can't be bothered to abide by your own standards in just four sentences. Petty and pathetic.
His name is pronounced as "Money" multiple times in the movie. It's not out of line for him to call you out for mispronouncing it.@@LearningaboutMovies
@@LearningaboutMovies you think too highly of yourself 😂
Man you aint even close
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unforgiven is the most overrated movie i have ever seen
Almost as good as our Aussie film set in the 1880`s outback The Proposition(2005). See it if you haven`t mate