5 Maritime Disasters (That Aren't the Titanitc)

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  • @Sideprojects
    @Sideprojects  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

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    • @trevdagg
      @trevdagg 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Not sure I you have noticed this and I'm not trying to be an arse but you spelled Titanic wrong

    • @F4Insight-uq6nt
      @F4Insight-uq6nt 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Please provide solid proof of all your claims.

    • @w4tt58
      @w4tt58 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I suggest looking into the tragedies of the Arctic and the Atlantic lads. Not as many folk perished but, well you'll see. Especially if you research the Arctic.

  • @dominicwaghorn6459
    @dominicwaghorn6459 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +646

    I like trains.

    • @gib6683
      @gib6683 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +63

      As an autistic adult I too like trains. Nice to meet ya good sir!

    • @imnotyourfriendbuddy1883
      @imnotyourfriendbuddy1883 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +87

      I like turtles

    • @marktg98
      @marktg98 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

      I like weed and whiskey.

    • @Im-Not-a-Dog
      @Im-Not-a-Dog 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      ​@@imnotyourfriendbuddy1883God damnit! You beat me to it.

    • @xntumrfo9ivrnwf
      @xntumrfo9ivrnwf 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Same

  • @amezification
    @amezification 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +98

    If you do another of these, the South Korean Ferry disaster was tragic and criminally mismanaged. kids sat with cell phones calling their parents goodbye, while waiting for instructions from a crew and captain who'd already fled.

    • @BNuts
      @BNuts 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      That'd be the _MV Sewall_ . None of the cargo, including vehicles, were secured, and the ballasts were practically empty to reduce fuel costs. The helmsman was informed never to turn by more than 5 degrees, but clearly they did. The ship developed a list, which was aggravated by shifting cargo, making it quickly pass the point of no return, and then capsize. What makes it worse is that there was practically no rescue effort, only to extract those who appeared on deck, and the government denied access to foreign ships who offered aid. The government also told the public that rescue efforts had been made and completed, but parents had their children's accounts of events through their cellphones, so they knew the truth. The truth was that, similar to _Costa Concordia_ 's captain, _Sewall_ 's captain and bridge crew had abandoned ship almost right away. The best and bravest rescue efforts were done by a pair of teachers who had been aboard. Tragically, they went back one time too many, and were trapped and died. Government stalled investigation and clean-up for a year so the Statute of Limitations could come into affect, however they came under fire for other matters of corruption anyway.
      While _Sewall_ didn't lose nearly as many people as _Dona Paz_ and _Vector_ , the tragedy nevertheless stands out starkly because most of the passengers were high school students out for a regular weekly trip.

    • @rebekahj8662
      @rebekahj8662 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Rotten Mango did a fantastic episode on it. Highly recommend.

    • @MoA-Reload...
      @MoA-Reload... 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@BNuts unsecured load came up in the report but in the weather they were operating IF the load and ballast had been properly configured it wouldn't have been an issue. ROPAX ferries commonly run without lashing every vehicle down as in most conditions they operate simply making sure the parking break is on and the vehicle is in gear is enough. ROPAX I worked would lash heavier vehicle in the center if there was going to be a bit of weather and resort to everything lashed if we were getting into stuff above force 7. We were type rated to force 9 which is touching full storm force but we were WPC fast craft. Around same size as Sewol(4200t) but catamaran instead of conventional so silly stable in the water. Ship of Sewol size and type in UK would probably be rated to force 7 weather.
      As for the ballast configuration they were running with, it wasn't just to save fuel. It's a nastier and greedier practice. The more load a ship takes on the more ballast they should be pumping in to keep center of gravity as low as possible. The heavier the ship is the lower in the water she sits. Overload a ship and it becomes obvious from the key side that she's to low in the water so what these feckers were doing was pump ballast OUT as they load so she doesn't sit so low in the water. They were trying to hide they were grossly overloaded. They screwed the stability and seakeeping so much a simple turn was enough to have her list beyond a point of recovery. It boggles my mind any crew would take a ship configured that poorly out and there is no way the bridge, deck and even the engineers wouldn't know the configuration of their own ship.

  • @Fuchswinter
    @Fuchswinter 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +66

    Another memorial to the Estonia tragedy is located on Djurgården, the museum area in Stockholm. It's just three concrete slabs in a triangle, with a tree in the middle. It's bleak and claustrophobic, and the sheer number of names is absolutely heartbreaking.

  • @IrishMike22
    @IrishMike22 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    The Edmund Fitzgerald is the only shipwreck I ever learned about from a song.*
    *a really great song btw. RIP Gordon

    • @swedishmeatball4382
      @swedishmeatball4382 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yes, it is truly a masterpiece.
      I grew up with a similar song about Titanic. I don't think there is an English version, unfortunately but in my opinion this is also masterful: th-cam.com/video/Ljwwx03h5Gw/w-d-xo.html

    • @Davedonhobgoblin
      @Davedonhobgoblin 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      “All that remains is faces and names of the wives and the sons and the daughters”

  • @kepanoid
    @kepanoid 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    As a kid, I went on a cruise from Turku, Finland to Stockholm on the Viking Sally, which was their oldest ship at the time. Viking sold the ship to Wasa Lines, and it served as a ferry between Umeå, Sweden and Vaasa, Finland. Did that trip as well, but never got on it when it was named Estonia. BTW, there were/are some conspiracy theories about the Estonia sinking. Those have not been proven, of course, but there still are some unanswered questions about the accident. They have re-opened the investigation, and it's still ongoing.

  • @doodskie999
    @doodskie999 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    As a guy from the PH
    Im glad the MV Dona Paz is recognized, it is literally the most dangerous and worst maritime accident during peace times.
    Whats worse is, the company "Sulpicio" had another incident way back in 2008 which only 31 of the 800 plus passengers survived due to their ship capsizing due to heavy storm

    • @chdreturns
      @chdreturns 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Its the worst period.. Wilhelm Gustlof doesn't count. Glad Suspicios Lines can't carry passengers anymore.
      Still I don't trust em with cargo either.

    • @Kvomii
      @Kvomii 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@chdreturns "Doesn't count"...?
      You mean because it was in wartime right? (oh and fun fact it's basically the only ship that russian submarines managed to sink during WW2)

    • @neuralmute
      @neuralmute 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Kvomii Well yeah, the OP said "worst maritime accident during peace times." The Wilhelm Gustlof was sunk during WWII, so doesn't count in that specific description.
      Cool fun fact. That one's pretty interesting.

  • @Fuchswinter
    @Fuchswinter 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Oceanliner Designs has a brilliant animation of the Empress of Ireland sinking in real time as well as a documentary of the disaster. Probably one of the best out there.

    • @Lemmon714_
      @Lemmon714_ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Great channel

  • @24934637
    @24934637 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +69

    The soldiers and nurses who were onboard the HMHS Britannic were incredibly lucky compared to those who were on the MV Wilhelm Gustloff, the RMS Empress of Ireland, the RMS Titanic and SS Edmund Fitzgerald. At least the sea was (Relatively warm) and calm at the time of the sinking. The Titanic and Empress both sank in the cold waters of the North Atlantic (Very close to the North Atlantic in the case of the Empress), The Gustloff sank on a particularly cold Winter night in the Baltic, and the Fitz went down in an absolutely appalling storm during November in Lake Superior......All horrifically cold, and anyone who wasn't in tip top physical shape wouldn't stand a chance! Survival from the sinking of the Fitz was a zero chance situation! Wasn't even safe to launch rescue boats!

    • @neuralmute
      @neuralmute 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They did find lifeboats from the Edmund Fitzgerald... in pieces.
      Old sailors *still* talk about that storm on the Great Lakes.

    • @yvindwestersund9720
      @yvindwestersund9720 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The particular " Luck " regarding the sinking of Britannic was the fact that it was on its way to pick up wounded soldiers from the Gallipoli campaign
      If it had happened on the way back Ther would have been thousands of soldiers on bord and most of the unable to help them selves or others for that matter
      That would have been an disaster on par with willhelm gustloff
      Not to take away from what happened to the people on bord when it happened but the outcome could have been much worse
      Just saying 🇧🇻

    • @24934637
      @24934637 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@yvindwestersund9720 It could have happened SO easily that it was on the way back too. Just a purely random event rather than a targeted attack. Pure luck being the difference between 30 casualties and potentially 3000+

    • @yvindwestersund9720
      @yvindwestersund9720 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@24934637 and your point is what?
      I do believe I stated that it was a "LUCK " that it happened on its way to and not on the home journey
      By " LUCK " I mean that it could just as easily happen on its way back
      I thought that was evident by the wording

  • @niki8280
    @niki8280 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Sir, the Dona Paz wasnt on frigid waters. Many Filipinos are swimmers and the waters are warm and tropical. The problem was that the all the water around the Vector and Dona Paz was ablaze due to the explosion and the leaking oil from the Vector. Most of the 26 survivors were badly burned from jumping into the flaming sea. (Yes, 45 out of over 4000)

    • @BNuts
      @BNuts 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Pretty sure there were also sharks. But the fire was a greater threat.

  • @knightofthehiddenrealm9895
    @knightofthehiddenrealm9895 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    The Estonia dissaster is stil an open wound in Sweden/Finland/Estonia with diffrent groups stil waiting for answer to what happend that night. They will do new dives at the accident site in the coming month to try to get a final answer.

  • @awmperry
    @awmperry 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Very pleased to see Estonia get a mention. I work in Stockholm harbour, and for a long time we worked regularly with MS Mariella, the first ship to respond to the sinking; she now sails in the Med for Corsica Ferries.

    • @nickklavdianos5136
      @nickklavdianos5136 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      One interesting thing I have noticed is the difference between how roro/passenger ferries load and unload their garages in different parts of the world. For example, in Northern Europe, it seems to be common practice that ships unload and load from their bow. Here in Greece and generally in the Mediterranean, ships always do that from their stern. I generally don't understand the use of bow visors, you generally want your bow to be the strongest part of the ship, putting a huge door there seems to contrast that sentiment. And unloading from the stern is generally easier and faster because the stern is generally wider that the bow.

    • @awmperry
      @awmperry 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @nickklavdianos5136 Typically Nordic ferries have stern ramps *as well*; the idea is that they can use both ends to optimise loading and unloading.
      The old (lifting) style of bow visor, used on Estonia, is considered unsafe and antiquated; modern ferries instead use split side-opening visors that actually become more secure with wave action.

    • @nickklavdianos5136
      @nickklavdianos5136 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@awmperry I know, many Mediterranean ferries also have split side opening visors, they just never use them. And well, there are a lot of older Nordic ferries that end up in the Mediterranean. Rosella recently came here in Greece, and the Italians seem very happy to buy ships like the Gabriella.

    • @awmperry
      @awmperry 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @nickklavdianos5136 Yup. Mariella and Amorella - two of the boats I used to work with - went down to Corsica in the last year or two. Sorry to see them go, but they do look really good in yellow.
      Kind of funny that so many ice-classed vessels end up retiring to the Med, though. Can't really blame them. 😆

    • @nickklavdianos5136
      @nickklavdianos5136 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@awmperry well, figured that after all the ice and cold they endured, they're due a nice holiday in warm weather.

  • @Ulgarth
    @Ulgarth 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    I am glad you mentioned the Empress of Ireland. The worst part about that disaster is that it happened so close to shore.

    • @chdreturns
      @chdreturns 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And in only 15 minutes too.

    • @ralphdougherty1844
      @ralphdougherty1844 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@chdreturns14

  • @JeremyLovett
    @JeremyLovett 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    "That Aren't the Titanitc" Spellcheck Simon, spellcheck lol

  • @mhh7544
    @mhh7544 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I have sailed on MS Sally when I was a kid . It wasnt build for open sea, it was build to navigate in cover of finnish archipelago . Its also a stage of one of the most brutal and unsolved murder case of Finland .

  • @DisasterDemonYT
    @DisasterDemonYT 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Too often we focus on those few more popular stories like the Titanic or the Titan submersible, forgetting so easily about hundreds and thousands lost on poor passenger ferries like the Dona Paz and le Joola, or the SS Eastland disaster. So nice to see and I hope you cover more!

  • @LiveSilence3
    @LiveSilence3 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    For Estonians the sinking is still a very sad tragedy considering the country’s small population compared to other countries so basically everyone knows someone who died on the ship. My dads wife lost her brother on the ship. That’s why my dad used to get me and my brother to find the exit quickly with the lights off as practice every time we on a ship to Finland or Sweden just in case. IT’s memory that still haunts the country

    • @jackthorton10
      @jackthorton10 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Practice makes perfect

  • @azolla_
    @azolla_ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Thank you for including the Empress of Ireland, a horrific story that's not told anywhere near as much as it should be

  • @headmistressminerva
    @headmistressminerva 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    My father, Steven w shultz, and his 32 crew mates, died in the wreck of the El faro, a roll on roll off cargo ship, October 2015. The captain had bad weather data, and even though my father, the first mate, and two other mates asked him if he planned to change course, he sailed the ship right into a cat 3 hurricane, known as hurricane Joaquin. It was such an avoidable tragedy. While my father will be known as a hero for his efforts to save the ship and crew, the loss was devastating. Keep doing what you do Simon. Love your work. Thanks for this one 🙏⚓

  • @garyclark3843
    @garyclark3843 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Please do a second, and maybe even more, on this subject. As the host of another channel I like says, "Its history that deserves to be remembered."

  • @chasegilmond5637
    @chasegilmond5637 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This video makes me think you should do a video on the so-called "graveyard of the Pacific" off the coast of Oregon and Washington State. There's some interesting shipwrecks over there

  • @anumeon
    @anumeon 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I have never heard of the Titanitc,, is she a Polish cruise ship? When did she go down?

    • @grantrichardson5766
      @grantrichardson5766 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Submarine with a screen door, I believe.

  • @kevinquist
    @kevinquist 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +172

    thank you for including the Wilhelm Gustlav. SO MANY people ignore it out right due to its association with the nazis. but MOST of the PEOPLE on it were not nazis and did NOT deserve to die.

    • @imnotyourfriendbuddy1883
      @imnotyourfriendbuddy1883 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      The entire Rape of Ostprueßen doesn't get the attention it deserves. My father dated a Königsberg survivor after my mother died. I was history student at the time and wanted to hear her story. It's not pretty.

    • @richardmann145
      @richardmann145 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      HMT Lancastria went down with between 5000 to 7000 souls off St Nazaire in the aftermath of Dunkirk. After being bombed by Nazi planes. Didn't even get a mention & was the worst British Maritime disasters.
      Still not well known as was made classified by Churchill. People are still trying to shine a light on her loss to this day.
      God rest their souls

    • @imnotyourfriendbuddy1883
      @imnotyourfriendbuddy1883 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@richardmann145
      To be fair the Lancastria was a valid military target evacuating active and able military personnel.

    • @alexander-mauricemillamlae4567
      @alexander-mauricemillamlae4567 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      @@richardmann145 doesnt count, military target and NOT a hospital ship. If we count that one we'd have to count every post-dreadnought battleship.

    • @Solnakar
      @Solnakar 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      @@imnotyourfriendbuddy1883 as was Wilhelm Gustloff - armed with AA guns and with over 1k soldiers on board.
      Another story is SS Cap Arcona - intel suggested, that nazi leadership was trying to escape to Norway so allies bombed it as well as SS Thielbek and SS Deutschland. Planes even strafed survivors trying to swim to shore with cannons. Unfrotunately those ships weren't full of nazis, but evacuated concentration camp prisioners of which 5k from Cap Arcona and 2k from Thielback lost their life. It happened 1 day before germans surrendered.

  • @Double0Kevin
    @Double0Kevin 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Ah yes... the famous Titanitc. Sister ship of the Olympitc and Brittanitc. Jewels of the White Start Linte.

    • @rollwaveroll
      @rollwaveroll 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      You would think they proofread.. or even just read the comments 😂

    • @nolandavis9040
      @nolandavis9040 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      was looking for this comment lol

  • @paganarh
    @paganarh 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Will never forget the sinking of Estonia. As Estonia (the country) is so small, almost everyone knew someone who lost someone at that day.

  • @johnboyabz7621
    @johnboyabz7621 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    4:21 "Jump into the icy water" in the Philippines!?! Where the minimum seawater temp. of the year is 25.5C (78.9F). Not sure I want to experience what Simon would describe as balmy! :)

  • @user-dg9pu4pe9d
    @user-dg9pu4pe9d 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    The sinking of The Princess Sophia on Vanderbilt Reef would have been horrific. Running aground and just sitting there before finally sinking. Giving its passengers plenty of time to think about their situation and to see rescue vessels just out of reach. The only survivor was a dog.
    Also the sinking of The Sultana on the Mississippi. Heavily overloaded with returning Union soldiers some of them freed from prison camps. A boiler exploded ignited an inferno.

    • @mmaxx6786
      @mmaxx6786 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How do you sink if you've "run aground"?

    • @user-dg9pu4pe9d
      @user-dg9pu4pe9d 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mmaxx6786 The waves and tide during a storm tore it off the reef shredding the hull.

  • @ivaland7265
    @ivaland7265 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    In 255 BC the Roman fleet was devastated by a storm while returning from Africa, with 384 ships sunk from a total of 464 and 100,000 men lost.
    Now that is a maritime disaster.

    • @GothPaoki
      @GothPaoki 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      That's nothing compared to kublais Invasion of japan with 4,400 ships and 140.000+ personnel in which 80 percent of those ships were destroyed by a typhoon called kamikaze( divine wind)

  • @jameswg13
    @jameswg13 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'm surprised you didn't mention the Lucona. The ship that brought down the government of a landlocked nation

  • @scw5098
    @scw5098 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    I’m surprised you didn’t mention the Halifax disaster. It was a munitions ship requisitioned to go to Europe during WW1, got hit by an impatient and unpleasant captain of a ferry and detonated with the largest non-nuclear explosion until WW2. It completely leveled Halifax and killed the most civilians of a non-European city in the entirety of WW1

    • @alexlocatelli2876
      @alexlocatelli2876 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      There are so many maritime disasters to choose from. 😢

    • @angelachouinard4581
      @angelachouinard4581 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Simon likes topics he can repeat, especially if they get views. I'm sure they'd be willing to do a part two because as you say, so many.

    • @peterk7428
      @peterk7428 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I wouldn't consider Halifax to be a big one because it was an industrial accident and not a shipwreck. He's mentioned it in other disaster videos.

    • @KW-qd1bi
      @KW-qd1bi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      He has covered it before, but unfortunately I don't remember on which channel

    • @RotGodKing
      @RotGodKing 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@KW-qd1bilooks like it's sideprojects that he covered it on.

  • @bkayser05
    @bkayser05 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    I'm surprised you didn't mention the steamboat Sultana. A combination of overcrowding, greed, and poor maintenance led to 1,167 mostly paroled soldiers from both the North and South following the US Civil War died when the poorly patched boiler exploded on April 27th, 1865

    • @Deuce1550
      @Deuce1550 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ahh yes, I listened about that one on the dork-o-motive podcast. Very interesting (and sad) story.

    • @bkayser05
      @bkayser05 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Deuce1550 I saw a documentary about the Sultana a few years ago. Yes, very sad and largely forgotten about

    • @tim3172
      @tim3172 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I read about the Sultana and General Slocum growing up and it's what finally extinguished any belief in a "god" or higher power.
      Emaciated POWs who had endured extreme torture and had finally been allowed to leave appalling conditions only to be blown or burned to death when they were finally released?
      combined with:
      Families on a church outing burned to death, drowned in shallow waters, or barely escaped only to be robbed/looted and murdered by their supposed "rescuers"?
      Yeah, that's a no from me.

  • @dfuher968
    @dfuher968 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The real horror of the Wilhelm Gustloff is, that in recent years even the very high estimated death toll calculated after the war has been recalculated, based on witness accounts of survivors about ppl cramped into every nook and corner and ship schematics. The official death toll was 5,348, but it was later estimated to be as much as 9,000. The new results, however, are even higher, most likely there were 12,000-12,500 ppl on board.

  • @robertmarsh8334
    @robertmarsh8334 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I'm surprised that the biggest tragedy in modern maritime history. The Sewol ferry was the most heartbreaking things I've seen a country face and deserves to have it's story told

    • @allisalindo6853
      @allisalindo6853 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If you are interested the Brick Immortar channel did a 2 part deep dive into this tragedy and the mismanagement surrounding it. If you haven't watched it yet, I highly recommend it. I get so angry thinking about the horrors the victims and their families were put through.

  • @dramoth64
    @dramoth64 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The Empress of Ireland was part of the Clive Cussler book "Night Probe".

  • @yamato0965
    @yamato0965 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Never forget the loss of the ship Orca off Amity Island in 1975. The boat wasn't big enough.

  • @oliversherman2414
    @oliversherman2414 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thanks for mentioning the Wilhelm Gustlof and the Britannic. The Gustlof is forgotten by most people because it was a German ship in the last year of WW2. However, many people onboard at the time of sinking were just regular people who were trying to escape the horrors of war
    As for the Britannic: Unless you're a ship enthusiast, you've probably never heard of this ship because of it's more famous sister ship, Titanic

    • @Infinite-void908
      @Infinite-void908 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm not a ship enthusiast and I've heard of the Britannic. I've done a lot of research about the ship and learned about the sinking that happened. I have to say the Britannic's design was pretty impressive imo.

    • @oliversherman2414
      @oliversherman2414 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Infinite-void908 Yeah but the average person probably wouldn't have heard of it. You have to be at least somewhat interested in history to know about these forgotten events

    • @Infinite-void908
      @Infinite-void908 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@oliversherman2414 I love history and all aspects about it. History is my favorite subject in school and I do study forgotten events that happened in history out of curiosity and to understand their significance. I know it sounds like I'm bragging but I'm just being honest. Also I think that the story of the Wilhelm Gustloff needs to be brought up more to the general public, but you did have a point as to why the incident with the ship is mostly forgotten about which is really sad.

    • @oliversherman2414
      @oliversherman2414 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Infinite-void908 Cool. I used to take history as one of my GCSE's in secondary school, but it wasn't till after I left school and I started watching history videos on TH-cam that my internet rose

  • @darkadmiral106
    @darkadmiral106 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Finally someone talks about the Gustloff! A disaster that not many know or remember today!

  • @pilotographer
    @pilotographer 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The MV Doña Paz was carrying so many passengers because it was Christmas season.

  • @dalayneejo
    @dalayneejo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    this guy has so many channels, i feel like i discover a new one each month

  • @jamesg9468
    @jamesg9468 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Loving your channel, Simon. This is better than anything that can be seen on TV.

  • @go4brookle761
    @go4brookle761 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The Dona Paz has to be the worst. Everyone burned to death. Even the survivors were all burned.

  • @lauraashley1934
    @lauraashley1934 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Onomichi! Fun hearing Simon mention the town next door.

  • @joekanicki5306
    @joekanicki5306 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The new digs are looking excellent Rory! Looking forward to seeing what y’all do with it.

  • @GothPaoki
    @GothPaoki 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    13 century Mongol invasion of Japan with more than 4,400 ships and 140.000 men in which 80 percent of that fleet is estimated to have been destroyed by a typhoon called kamikaze( divine wind). By far the largest maritime disaster.

  • @AngryK1tty
    @AngryK1tty 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Ah yes. Who doesn’t remember the Titanitc

  • @p.2104
    @p.2104 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I was waiting to hear about the Sewol tragedy off the coast of South Korea ten years back or so.. That was so tragic, with the majority of victims being high school students. 😢

    • @allisalindo6853
      @allisalindo6853 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I wrote this in reply to another comment but I'll say it again. If you haven't seen Brick Immortar's 2-part series on this horrific tragedy yet, I recommend it. But please prepare yourself. I had to take breaks to compose myself, especially during part 2.

  • @malectric
    @malectric 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It is a cold day where I am living.But the chill really went down my spine imagining what the unlucky people who ended up in the sea must have experienced.

  • @BarneySm0kesCrak
    @BarneySm0kesCrak 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    One disaster i know of which didn't have a large death toll but a massive impact on the villages that it was returning men to was the Iolair which in 1919 sunk when bringing soldiers who survived the war back to their homes this was to an island off the north west coast of Scotland which sunk after hitting rocks at night very close to the harbour a large proportion of the men died as they where asleep when it crashed and sunk killing many leaving many villages with little able bodied men as most died in the war or they sinking.

  • @mjeffreya
    @mjeffreya 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You didn’t mention Violet Jessop with the Britannic. Survived that sinking, the Titanic sinking and the Olympic collision with the British cruiser

  • @zephyer-gp1ju
    @zephyer-gp1ju 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A Nurse was on the Titantic and made it to a life boat. She was then on the Britantic when it hit the mine and she again was rescued. Later on she would be on a third ship that sank and she again got off alive and she continued to serve on ships until her retirement.

  • @jmanj3917
    @jmanj3917 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Wait; What? The icy waters of the Philippines?

  • @simonrancourt7834
    @simonrancourt7834 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Both Titanic and Empress of Ireland sinkings where the startting point of Clive Cussler novels.

  • @hannayoung9657
    @hannayoung9657 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I know some one who missed the Estonia due to a faulty alarm clock and had to take a later ferry.

    • @swedishmeatball4382
      @swedishmeatball4382 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      My step grandfather was doing his military service on the island of Gotland during WWII. Back then there was one daily ferry to and from the island. He had been on leave for a few days but was due back to his regiment together with the rest of said regiment. On the way he and his friends got a flat tire on their car, and back then things like auto shops and gas stations were closed on Sundays so it took them a few hours to fix it. Thus, they missed the ferry by five minutes and knew that they were in deep dodo as they were going to be almost a day late to return after their leave, They could end up in the slammer for that.
      The next they they hopped on to the ferry and returne dto their regiment, expecting to be arrested. Instead the colonel hugged them and cried when he saw them.
      Hansa, the ferry they SHOULD have been on, had been hit by a torpedo. Only one person, the company owner, survived. My step grandpa and his friends were the only men left in the regiment. The colonel were just happy that there were survivors even though they only survived because they missed the ill fated ferry.

  • @robertpearson8798
    @robertpearson8798 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sadly, while virtually every Canadian adult is at least somewhat aware of the Titanic disaster, very few are familiar with The Empress of Ireland. I guess that there weren’t enough celebrities and millionaires on board and it went down too quickly to provide sufficient time for drama.

    • @anickmartin9795
      @anickmartin9795 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No it's because WW1 started a bit after the sinking of the Empress of Ireland that's why not many people knows. I went to see the Museum in 2014 in Pointe-au-Père near Rimouski, Province of Quebec Canada

    • @robertpearson8798
      @robertpearson8798 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@anickmartin9795 That’s why it was largely forgotten at the time but doesn’t explain why it continues today.

    • @anickmartin9795
      @anickmartin9795 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@robertpearson8798 I know I have never forgot the Empress of Ireland and you should visit the Museum

  • @eppusaastamoinen3807
    @eppusaastamoinen3807 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    can you do a longer, more in-depth video on the MS estonia?

  • @Johnstone565
    @Johnstone565 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video pal, thanks

  • @oscarellenius2007
    @oscarellenius2007 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I still remember the day Estonia sank. My sister worked at the estline HQ when it sank. 😢

    • @johnb820
      @johnb820 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      hahahah

    • @swedishmeatball4382
      @swedishmeatball4382 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Oh, that must have been incredibly tough.
      I remember waking up that morning to the regular news and being so tired that i took me e a while to realize that all I heard was one long mootone voice talking about something, not the short news segements you usually heard. But I couldn't comprehend what the voice was talking about. It was just utfathomable. So, after a quick shower I went out to the TV room in the dorm and turned on the TV. I still couldn't understand what was happening. The next hour my seven dorm mates all woke up and joined me on the sofa. It was a three seater but we somehow sat and lay on top of each other, all staring at the TV screen in silence. Then one of my dorm mates began crying.
      We didn't know it then, but Uppsala was the city who lost most people in the disaster, and for over a month afterwards all you heard in central Uppsala was the toll from the church bells to the many, many funerals (or rather, memorial services), day after day. It was eerie.
      And yes, some of the victims were people I knew.

    • @oscarellenius2007
      @oscarellenius2007 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@swedishmeatball4382 it was a dark day for many people 😭😭

    • @johnb820
      @johnb820 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@swedishmeatball4382 hahagagaga

    • @johnb820
      @johnb820 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@oscarellenius2007 hahagahaha

  • @kyppa1985
    @kyppa1985 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Few things about Estonia; she was after being in Viking Lines traffic as Viking Sally, in Silja Lines traffic as Silja Star and after that in Wasa Line traffic as Wasa King before becoming Estonia.
    Viking Sally was initially designed for coastal/archipelago traffic as there are no much of open sea between (Turku and) Mariehamn and Stockholm. So she really wasn't designed for harsh open sea conditions of Baltic sea.
    Her bow ramp design was like that when shut/lift up, part of it folded inside of a box housing on the bow visor. As the visor fell off, it teared the ramp open with it.
    Other old Viking Lines ship, Diana 2, shared her bow visor and ramp construction with Viking Sally. Diana 2 also suffered heavy damage to its bow visor (locks) before Estonia , but this incident apparently was not deemed noteworthy to do anything to other ships.

  • @eifelitorn
    @eifelitorn 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What timing with this video, just yesterday a new expedition set out to explore MS Estonia.
    You can also hear the tragic and eerie last mayday calls from the ship on YT..

  • @Talisguy
    @Talisguy 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "It was again renamed to the Doña Paz, this time after a small fire-"
    I must be tired, because my brain thought they named the ship after the fire for a second there.

  • @BasicStealthcamping
    @BasicStealthcamping 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "the front fell off" - inspired by the MS Estonia

  • @capt.bart.roberts4975
    @capt.bart.roberts4975 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My next door neighbour growing up, were two lovely nurses. They'd served in The Queen Alexander's Nursing Service, during WW2. Anyway to cut a very long story short, the hospital ship they were working on, was sunk about ten in the morning, they were in convoy, so they were picked up by another ship in the convoy. About two hours later they were sunk again. I believe this happened in The Mediterranean.

  • @Robochuck
    @Robochuck 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I was not expecting to see the Empress of Ireland on this. Thank you

  • @DamianBlakeSailing
    @DamianBlakeSailing 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wahine disaster in New Zealand is also worth a mention.

    • @nickklavdianos5136
      @nickklavdianos5136 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Or the Waratah. Vanished without a trace.

  • @Rasputinska
    @Rasputinska 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    For the future videos, I think the acute situation on the Mediterranian Sea with the refugees and migrants dying constantly in large numbers because of the greed of smugglers and the cruelty of the EU coastal nations’ policies deserves a chapter aswell. The UN has estimated more than 20 000 migrants have drowned in the Mediterranian Sea since 2014.

    • @skycloud4802
      @skycloud4802 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No mention of the countries of whom these immigrant refugees are fleeing from? I think these countries need their fair share of criticism for starting this problem.

  • @Smellvin_1
    @Smellvin_1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The life insurance sponsor on a maritime disaster vid is crazy

  • @Bald_Zeus
    @Bald_Zeus 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There is a video with the radio communications between the Estonia and the rescue ships and later between the rescue ships. It's chilling, yet incredibly inspiring to hear the amazing work the captains of the nearby ferries did to save the people on the Estonia.

  • @musicguy1987
    @musicguy1987 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is why I don't do boats. My car breaks down? I get out and everything is fine.

    • @nickklavdianos5136
      @nickklavdianos5136 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A ship breaks down? It gets towed to a nearby port. A ship sinking is the equivalent of your car crashing at high speed. You probably won't get out from that.

  • @TheTrainspotterFromTauranga
    @TheTrainspotterFromTauranga 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I just knew that Doña Paz would be covered. It's nothing short of tragic, what happened on that night. May those people rest in peace.

  • @lukemauerman3734
    @lukemauerman3734 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Excellent video as always. I'm a ship geek so I'm all up in it. Thanks!

    • @Lemmon714_
      @Lemmon714_ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Oceanliner Designs
      Part time explorer
      Big Ole boats

    • @Lemmon714_
      @Lemmon714_ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Maritime Horrors

  • @markandkiminnewzealand2702
    @markandkiminnewzealand2702 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey Simon
    Please put this out as a podcast

  • @arizonatsunami
    @arizonatsunami 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I've actually never heard of the Titanitc. lol

  • @mitchellneu
    @mitchellneu 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Ah, yes, the “Titanitc”…sunk by an “icebertg”…

    • @DeadJDona
      @DeadJDona 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    • @rollwaveroll
      @rollwaveroll 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂

  • @Sugerloadedgirl789
    @Sugerloadedgirl789 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Man... I knew all 5 of these ships!

  • @bender7565
    @bender7565 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Sultana needed a mention, 1,167 fatalities on a river!

  • @Jayjay-qe6um
    @Jayjay-qe6um 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A memorial honoring the victims of Dona Paz is at the Pieta Park in Catbalogan. Located at adjacent to St. Bartholomew Church and Saint Mary's College of Catbalogan, the park now serves as a public space for families and friends of the victims.

  • @laurenb6160
    @laurenb6160 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    “You got Sally and you got Sue And I got a Chevrolet”- I love my truck.

  • @getyourpawsoffmeturd
    @getyourpawsoffmeturd 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sulpicio Lines is known for having for having lost 4 passenger liners, last one was 2008, the government finally revoked their license to carry passengers in 2015

  • @Ozymandius_corn_maze
    @Ozymandius_corn_maze 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Maritime disaster synonymous with the Titanic? Clearly Simon has not listened to Gordon Lightfoot

  • @felbarashla
    @felbarashla 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If this does well you could consider doing a whole series or even a channel about ship and plane disasters.

    • @Lemmon714_
      @Lemmon714_ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oceanliner designs
      Big Ole boats
      Part time explorer

    • @Lemmon714_
      @Lemmon714_ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Maritime Horrors

  • @darkbeach72
    @darkbeach72 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down of the big lake they called Gitche Gumee. Probably deserves an episode of it's own if you haven't already.

    • @canadasleftcoast.5744
      @canadasleftcoast.5744 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The lake it is said never gives up her dead when the skies of November turn gloomy...

  • @LadyGhoost
    @LadyGhoost 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you like listening to podcasts and learning about maritime disasters, i recommend ship hits the fan. They also try to have some humour in it when they can to keep it a bit lighter and less depressing when they can, while also being respectful towards the victims. Really recommend people to give it a try if this is your cup of tea 😁

  • @pr0jectSkyneT
    @pr0jectSkyneT 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The sinking of the SS Arctic is pretty horrifying as well.

  • @trli7117
    @trli7117 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Honestly, each of these deserved their own video. This doesn't really get the scale or feel of any of the listed tragedies.

  • @thetangieman3426
    @thetangieman3426 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Awww, fact boy pitching Life Insurance, all grown up. I love it.

  • @VoetsekJon
    @VoetsekJon 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    minor spelling mistake 🤯

    • @believeinmatter
      @believeinmatter 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Where?

    • @DeadJDona
      @DeadJDona 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    • @rollwaveroll
      @rollwaveroll 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Still havent caught onto it either

  • @TheTransporter007
    @TheTransporter007 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Many keyboard warriors don't count the Gustloff because it was an "enemy ship."

  • @MrDead1975
    @MrDead1975 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    so much seamen gone in the oceans

    • @hung8969
      @hung8969 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I said the same thing when I was 12 in a pool…

  • @markmcgee9750
    @markmcgee9750 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Had some hope that the Iolaire would get a mention. I don't think it is widely known but is one of the most tragic shipwreck stories you'll ever read about

  • @fuzzy3440
    @fuzzy3440 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    should have mentioned Felicity Ace, with that tragedy of all the lost Lamborghinis, Porsches, Audis, and Bentleys.

  • @thomasdinkelman1989
    @thomasdinkelman1989 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Simon did you say ice water when talking about Dona Paz in the Philippines

  • @dome-xr3xj
    @dome-xr3xj 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Insane to think that a ship as large as the Empress of Ireland sank faster than it takes to fully watch this video...

  • @westrim
    @westrim 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Hey, what's that way?"
    "Oh, that's an empty Vector"
    *After collision*
    "I thought you said the path was clear!"
    "No, the MT Vector was there!"

  • @darraghmckenna9127
    @darraghmckenna9127 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Crazy to think how deadly the Baltic Sea is

    • @XXXkazeXXX
      @XXXkazeXXX 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s not. It’s a quite calm sea on a global scale.

  • @avpkid345
    @avpkid345 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Titanitc

  • @grapeshot
    @grapeshot 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Yep if you didn't know any better you would think the Titanic was the only ship that ever sink in recorded history. Well I guess not every maritime disasters can have a blockbuster movie made about them.

    • @pyromania1018
      @pyromania1018 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Largely because it lit a fire under everyone's asses.

    • @notso100
      @notso100 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Titanic 's fame comes from promoting itself as being unsinkable... then sinking om its first journey , the irony makes it famous

  • @fredblonder7850
    @fredblonder7850 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I went rowing last Saturday. My feet got wet. I consider that a disaster.

  • @robertfolkner9253
    @robertfolkner9253 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The M/V Estonia’s car ramp was slightly too large for the well it was in. Most likely when the visor separated it caught on the end of the ramp and pulled he latter open.

  • @grapeshot
    @grapeshot 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Yeah some people call it Asia's Titanic. But more than likely far more died in this disaster in a particularly gruesome way.

    • @baronvonjo1929
      @baronvonjo1929 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I never understood why people say (insert here)'s Titanic. So many worst disaters or about the same disaters from Europe and the rest of the world. It makes it seem like these disaters can't even be their own thing.

    • @tim3172
      @tim3172 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@baronvonjo1929 It's a way of relating something and giving an approximation of scale and impact.
      "iPod Killer"
      "Modern-day Model T"
      etc. etc.

  • @xmariner
    @xmariner 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Going to point out one more:
    The SS Morro Castle in 1930 - caught fire and ran aground in September 8, 1934 en route from Havana to New York City. 137 passengers and crew lost. Th wreck landed on the shores of New Jersey and became a spectacle. This is one of the reasons the United States Merchant Marine Academy was started.
    ACTA NON VERBA