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I suggest looking into the tragedies of the Arctic and the Atlantic lads. Not as many folk perished but, well you'll see. Especially if you research the Arctic.
If you do another of these, the South Korean Ferry disaster was tragic and criminally mismanaged. kids sat with cell phones calling their parents goodbye, while waiting for instructions from a crew and captain who'd already fled.
That'd be the _MV Sewall_ . None of the cargo, including vehicles, were secured, and the ballasts were practically empty to reduce fuel costs. The helmsman was informed never to turn by more than 5 degrees, but clearly they did. The ship developed a list, which was aggravated by shifting cargo, making it quickly pass the point of no return, and then capsize. What makes it worse is that there was practically no rescue effort, only to extract those who appeared on deck, and the government denied access to foreign ships who offered aid. The government also told the public that rescue efforts had been made and completed, but parents had their children's accounts of events through their cellphones, so they knew the truth. The truth was that, similar to _Costa Concordia_ 's captain, _Sewall_ 's captain and bridge crew had abandoned ship almost right away. The best and bravest rescue efforts were done by a pair of teachers who had been aboard. Tragically, they went back one time too many, and were trapped and died. Government stalled investigation and clean-up for a year so the Statute of Limitations could come into affect, however they came under fire for other matters of corruption anyway. While _Sewall_ didn't lose nearly as many people as _Dona Paz_ and _Vector_ , the tragedy nevertheless stands out starkly because most of the passengers were high school students out for a regular weekly trip.
@@BNuts unsecured load came up in the report but in the weather they were operating IF the load and ballast had been properly configured it wouldn't have been an issue. ROPAX ferries commonly run without lashing every vehicle down as in most conditions they operate simply making sure the parking break is on and the vehicle is in gear is enough. ROPAX I worked would lash heavier vehicle in the center if there was going to be a bit of weather and resort to everything lashed if we were getting into stuff above force 7. We were type rated to force 9 which is touching full storm force but we were WPC fast craft. Around same size as Sewol(4200t) but catamaran instead of conventional so silly stable in the water. Ship of Sewol size and type in UK would probably be rated to force 7 weather. As for the ballast configuration they were running with, it wasn't just to save fuel. It's a nastier and greedier practice. The more load a ship takes on the more ballast they should be pumping in to keep center of gravity as low as possible. The heavier the ship is the lower in the water she sits. Overload a ship and it becomes obvious from the key side that she's to low in the water so what these feckers were doing was pump ballast OUT as they load so she doesn't sit so low in the water. They were trying to hide they were grossly overloaded. They screwed the stability and seakeeping so much a simple turn was enough to have her list beyond a point of recovery. It boggles my mind any crew would take a ship configured that poorly out and there is no way the bridge, deck and even the engineers wouldn't know the configuration of their own ship.
Yes, it is truly a masterpiece. I grew up with a similar song about Titanic. I don't think there is an English version, unfortunately but in my opinion this is also masterful: th-cam.com/video/Ljwwx03h5Gw/w-d-xo.html
As a guy from the PH Im glad the MV Dona Paz is recognized, it is literally the most dangerous and worst maritime accident during peace times. Whats worse is, the company "Sulpicio" had another incident way back in 2008 which only 31 of the 800 plus passengers survived due to their ship capsizing due to heavy storm
@@chdreturns "Doesn't count"...? You mean because it was in wartime right? (oh and fun fact it's basically the only ship that russian submarines managed to sink during WW2)
@@Kvomii Well yeah, the OP said "worst maritime accident during peace times." The Wilhelm Gustlof was sunk during WWII, so doesn't count in that specific description. Cool fun fact. That one's pretty interesting.
The Estonia dissaster is stil an open wound in Sweden/Finland/Estonia with diffrent groups stil waiting for answer to what happend that night. They will do new dives at the accident site in the coming month to try to get a final answer.
My father, Steven w shultz, and his 32 crew mates, died in the wreck of the El faro, a roll on roll off cargo ship, October 2015. The captain had bad weather data, and even though my father, the first mate, and two other mates asked him if he planned to change course, he sailed the ship right into a cat 3 hurricane, known as hurricane Joaquin. It was such an avoidable tragedy. While my father will be known as a hero for his efforts to save the ship and crew, the loss was devastating. Keep doing what you do Simon. Love your work. Thanks for this one 🙏⚓
I have sailed on MS Sally when I was a kid . It wasnt build for open sea, it was build to navigate in cover of finnish archipelago . Its also a stage of one of the most brutal and unsolved murder case of Finland .
The sinking of The Princess Sophia on Vanderbilt Reef would have been horrific. Running aground and just sitting there before finally sinking. Giving its passengers plenty of time to think about their situation and to see rescue vessels just out of reach. The only survivor was a dog. Also the sinking of The Sultana on the Mississippi. Heavily overloaded with returning Union soldiers some of them freed from prison camps. A boiler exploded ignited an inferno.
This video makes me think you should do a video on the so-called "graveyard of the Pacific" off the coast of Oregon and Washington State. There's some interesting shipwrecks over there
The real horror of the Wilhelm Gustloff is, that in recent years even the very high estimated death toll calculated after the war has been recalculated, based on witness accounts of survivors about ppl cramped into every nook and corner and ship schematics. The official death toll was 5,348, but it was later estimated to be as much as 9,000. The new results, however, are even higher, most likely there were 12,000-12,500 ppl on board.
I'm surprised that the biggest tragedy in modern maritime history. The Sewol ferry was the most heartbreaking things I've seen a country face and deserves to have it's story told
If you are interested the Brick Immortar channel did a 2 part deep dive into this tragedy and the mismanagement surrounding it. If you haven't watched it yet, I highly recommend it. I get so angry thinking about the horrors the victims and their families were put through.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the Halifax disaster. It was a munitions ship requisitioned to go to Europe during WW1, got hit by an impatient and unpleasant captain of a ferry and detonated with the largest non-nuclear explosion until WW2. It completely leveled Halifax and killed the most civilians of a non-European city in the entirety of WW1
I'm surprised you didn't mention the steamboat Sultana. A combination of overcrowding, greed, and poor maintenance led to 1,167 mostly paroled soldiers from both the North and South following the US Civil War died when the poorly patched boiler exploded on April 27th, 1865
I read about the Sultana and General Slocum growing up and it's what finally extinguished any belief in a "god" or higher power. Emaciated POWs who had endured extreme torture and had finally been allowed to leave appalling conditions only to be blown or burned to death when they were finally released? combined with: Families on a church outing burned to death, drowned in shallow waters, or barely escaped only to be robbed/looted and murdered by their supposed "rescuers"? Yeah, that's a no from me.
In 255 BC the Roman fleet was devastated by a storm while returning from Africa, with 384 ships sunk from a total of 464 and 100,000 men lost. Now that is a maritime disaster.
That's nothing compared to kublais Invasion of japan with 4,400 ships and 140.000+ personnel in which 80 percent of those ships were destroyed by a typhoon called kamikaze( divine wind)
One disaster i know of which didn't have a large death toll but a massive impact on the villages that it was returning men to was the Iolair which in 1919 sunk when bringing soldiers who survived the war back to their homes this was to an island off the north west coast of Scotland which sunk after hitting rocks at night very close to the harbour a large proportion of the men died as they where asleep when it crashed and sunk killing many leaving many villages with little able bodied men as most died in the war or they sinking.
13 century Mongol invasion of Japan with more than 4,400 ships and 140.000 men in which 80 percent of that fleet is estimated to have been destroyed by a typhoon called kamikaze( divine wind). By far the largest maritime disaster.
Few things about Estonia; she was after being in Viking Lines traffic as Viking Sally, in Silja Lines traffic as Silja Star and after that in Wasa Line traffic as Wasa King before becoming Estonia. Viking Sally was initially designed for coastal/archipelago traffic as there are no much of open sea between (Turku and) Mariehamn and Stockholm. So she really wasn't designed for harsh open sea conditions of Baltic sea. Her bow ramp design was like that when shut/lift up, part of it folded inside of a box housing on the bow visor. As the visor fell off, it teared the ramp open with it. Other old Viking Lines ship, Diana 2, shared her bow visor and ramp construction with Viking Sally. Diana 2 also suffered heavy damage to its bow visor (locks) before Estonia , but this incident apparently was not deemed noteworthy to do anything to other ships.
Sadly, while virtually every Canadian adult is at least somewhat aware of the Titanic disaster, very few are familiar with The Empress of Ireland. I guess that there weren’t enough celebrities and millionaires on board and it went down too quickly to provide sufficient time for drama.
No it's because WW1 started a bit after the sinking of the Empress of Ireland that's why not many people knows. I went to see the Museum in 2014 in Pointe-au-Père near Rimouski, Province of Quebec Canada
My step grandfather was doing his military service on the island of Gotland during WWII. Back then there was one daily ferry to and from the island. He had been on leave for a few days but was due back to his regiment together with the rest of said regiment. On the way he and his friends got a flat tire on their car, and back then things like auto shops and gas stations were closed on Sundays so it took them a few hours to fix it. Thus, they missed the ferry by five minutes and knew that they were in deep dodo as they were going to be almost a day late to return after their leave, They could end up in the slammer for that. The next they they hopped on to the ferry and returne dto their regiment, expecting to be arrested. Instead the colonel hugged them and cried when he saw them. Hansa, the ferry they SHOULD have been on, had been hit by a torpedo. Only one person, the company owner, survived. My step grandpa and his friends were the only men left in the regiment. The colonel were just happy that there were survivors even though they only survived because they missed the ill fated ferry.
The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down of the big lake they called Gitche Gumee. Probably deserves an episode of it's own if you haven't already.
To this I can add the gruesome tragedy of RMS Arctic, where the crew escaped during tge sinking with amost all the lifeboats, and the ones that were left were raping the women onboard during the sinking, while the loyal crew werr trying to make a life raft to one of the boats, the rampaging crew and passengers tore it down as they tried to board it... There were countless of brawls and murders, and after the sinking, the blood of people atracted sharks... The water was also very cold
The Gustlav, and the Britannic I don't consider to be maritime disasters due to their use in military operations at the time of their sinking, maritime tragedies for sure, but to me a disaster means it was an act of nature or accident, not an act of military
MS Estonia has new information coming out within this or next year, so it may be a good idea to update the video on that part in the october of next year (release probably 2025)
Should be noted that according to the 2023 investigation by the Swedish Accident Investigation Authority (SHK) the Estonia's certificate of of seaworthiness was found to be not valid. The appropriate inspection of the bow visor required was never conducted, and the ship wasn't rated for the open waters between Stockholm and Tallinn, only the safer, calmer, and much narrower distance between Sweden and Finland. Had this been discovered before that stormy 1994 night, the MS Estonia would not have been allowed to ply the Stockholm-Tallinn route, and the disaster would not have happened.
Another possibility for a future episode is the SS Eastland. 844 people died after the top-heavy ship listed onto its side...20 feet (6m) from shore in the Chicago River!
what about RMS Lusitania, torpedoed in WWI and went down in 18 minutes with a death toll of almost 1200, and was one of the reasons why the U.S joined the war,
Simon, in case you read this comment, I really dislike the mid story ad drop. Do it between stories and it won't be as jarring or feel as bad. Personally I zone right out, but would be more receptive if they were at a better time.
Sorry to say, Simon, but.. The ramp tightens,, the more you pound on it! It has, THICK, seals to prevent the water to pass. And, the "theory" that the ramp was "down", is impossible! You are not(!) able to close the visor, IF the ramp is not up! And, how do I, know this? I have worked on "countless" ferries of this type, through my career as an engineer. And, all those, "tinnhatt" theories" concerning the ramp, being down, and/or leaking, it`s easy to say: Bullshit! If, water gets in, through the seals, it would be of minor quantities , NOT A FLOOD! And. on the bridge, there are several alarms, concerning the safe closure of the ramp/visor. The bolts, are about 10cm thick! Hydraulic maneuvered and with sensors,telling that they are "in place". No chance in Hell, you are able to pound in, a ramp, bigger than the hole, it`s covering! from a Finn in Diaspora
Having worked with a group exploring the Britannic in the 1990s, as the explosive and damage expert, I have grave doubts about the cargo carried by the ship. The mine that the Britannic hit had an explosive charge of only 150 kilograms of a TNT-equivalent explosive. At most, that would open up about a 400 square foot hole in the ship, nowhere near enough to involve 6 watertight compartments. Then the vessel also sank so fast, less that half of the time of the sinking of the Titannic. The was far too much damage to the bow to be accounted for by a single mine explosion. The ship was carrying a fair amount of cans of gasoline in the forward cargo hold, and British gasoline cans were notorious for leaking fuel and fuel vapors. The possibility of a gasoline vapor explosion cannot be overlooked. Then there is the possibility of some questionable material for a hospital ship to be carrying. The loss of that large a ship to such a small mine does not add up.
You're missing the fact that almost all the portholes in the forward sections of the lower deck, were completely open. The nurses had opened them to air out the wards against orders. Even with her watertight doors closed, the ingress of water through the portholes was easily enough to bring her down at the head. It's also important to note that not all of the watertight doors in the engine/boiler rooms closed correctly. Stop trying to look for conspiracies were none exist.
Worst thing about MV Wilhelm Gustlof is that this russian sub captain known full well what he is shooting at. A ship full of civilians that were trying to flee russian horde.
He didn’t and he couldn’t. His task was convoy raiding. He found an armed transport with an inadequate navy escort, and with some difficulties managed to sink it. Also, there were no Russian subs or Russian hordes: they were Soviet. For example Marinesku himself was Ukrainian. You know, Soviets created a ton of blatant propaganda about this event, including 3500 destroyed submariners and GESTAPO operatives etc. But you aren’t much better.
You have no bloody idea what you are talking about. You should go back to r/worldnews and just blatantly hate on Russians with other likeminded dimwits. He was a captain in charge, these WW2 subs were limited on supplies. EXTREMELY LIMITED. He gets a task to raid convoys - he sets out to raid convoys for as long as he has food and weaponry. Long range communications back then werent so good either. So your to put it in line with your dull mind. No he didnt surface his submarine to radio with HQ so he would get instructions "Ayyy there is a ship fulled to the brim with civilians, you should sink it". What he did is his job, just like every other sub captain from that era did. Find an enemy ship, sink an enemy ship.
I only watch your side projects because your other videos are long winded and tend to add allot of personal opinion, that is nice but I prefer facts but the fact that your other videos have so much opinion I wonder how much fact your other videos have
I see you selling life insurance after talking about the worst maritime disaster in peacetime... And applaud you. What next, talking about airplane crashes while selling parachutes?
They don't really roll over that often though. But they seem to be catching fire quite often. As for the Estonia, I find it quite strange that they found themselves in such difficult weather. Usually, when the seas are too heavy, ferries are banned from travelling. At least were I'm from.
Sulpicio Lines is known for having for having lost 4 passenger liners, last one was 2008, the government finally revoked their license to carry passengers in 2015
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Not sure I you have noticed this and I'm not trying to be an arse but you spelled Titanic wrong
Please provide solid proof of all your claims.
I suggest looking into the tragedies of the Arctic and the Atlantic lads. Not as many folk perished but, well you'll see. Especially if you research the Arctic.
If you do another of these, the South Korean Ferry disaster was tragic and criminally mismanaged. kids sat with cell phones calling their parents goodbye, while waiting for instructions from a crew and captain who'd already fled.
That'd be the _MV Sewall_ . None of the cargo, including vehicles, were secured, and the ballasts were practically empty to reduce fuel costs. The helmsman was informed never to turn by more than 5 degrees, but clearly they did. The ship developed a list, which was aggravated by shifting cargo, making it quickly pass the point of no return, and then capsize. What makes it worse is that there was practically no rescue effort, only to extract those who appeared on deck, and the government denied access to foreign ships who offered aid. The government also told the public that rescue efforts had been made and completed, but parents had their children's accounts of events through their cellphones, so they knew the truth. The truth was that, similar to _Costa Concordia_ 's captain, _Sewall_ 's captain and bridge crew had abandoned ship almost right away. The best and bravest rescue efforts were done by a pair of teachers who had been aboard. Tragically, they went back one time too many, and were trapped and died. Government stalled investigation and clean-up for a year so the Statute of Limitations could come into affect, however they came under fire for other matters of corruption anyway.
While _Sewall_ didn't lose nearly as many people as _Dona Paz_ and _Vector_ , the tragedy nevertheless stands out starkly because most of the passengers were high school students out for a regular weekly trip.
Rotten Mango did a fantastic episode on it. Highly recommend.
@@BNuts unsecured load came up in the report but in the weather they were operating IF the load and ballast had been properly configured it wouldn't have been an issue. ROPAX ferries commonly run without lashing every vehicle down as in most conditions they operate simply making sure the parking break is on and the vehicle is in gear is enough. ROPAX I worked would lash heavier vehicle in the center if there was going to be a bit of weather and resort to everything lashed if we were getting into stuff above force 7. We were type rated to force 9 which is touching full storm force but we were WPC fast craft. Around same size as Sewol(4200t) but catamaran instead of conventional so silly stable in the water. Ship of Sewol size and type in UK would probably be rated to force 7 weather.
As for the ballast configuration they were running with, it wasn't just to save fuel. It's a nastier and greedier practice. The more load a ship takes on the more ballast they should be pumping in to keep center of gravity as low as possible. The heavier the ship is the lower in the water she sits. Overload a ship and it becomes obvious from the key side that she's to low in the water so what these feckers were doing was pump ballast OUT as they load so she doesn't sit so low in the water. They were trying to hide they were grossly overloaded. They screwed the stability and seakeeping so much a simple turn was enough to have her list beyond a point of recovery. It boggles my mind any crew would take a ship configured that poorly out and there is no way the bridge, deck and even the engineers wouldn't know the configuration of their own ship.
The Edmund Fitzgerald is the only shipwreck I ever learned about from a song.*
*a really great song btw. RIP Gordon
Yes, it is truly a masterpiece.
I grew up with a similar song about Titanic. I don't think there is an English version, unfortunately but in my opinion this is also masterful: th-cam.com/video/Ljwwx03h5Gw/w-d-xo.html
“All that remains is faces and names of the wives and the sons and the daughters”
As a guy from the PH
Im glad the MV Dona Paz is recognized, it is literally the most dangerous and worst maritime accident during peace times.
Whats worse is, the company "Sulpicio" had another incident way back in 2008 which only 31 of the 800 plus passengers survived due to their ship capsizing due to heavy storm
Its the worst period.. Wilhelm Gustlof doesn't count. Glad Suspicios Lines can't carry passengers anymore.
Still I don't trust em with cargo either.
@@chdreturns "Doesn't count"...?
You mean because it was in wartime right? (oh and fun fact it's basically the only ship that russian submarines managed to sink during WW2)
@@Kvomii Well yeah, the OP said "worst maritime accident during peace times." The Wilhelm Gustlof was sunk during WWII, so doesn't count in that specific description.
Cool fun fact. That one's pretty interesting.
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As an autistic adult I too like trains. Nice to meet ya good sir!
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@@imnotyourfriendbuddy1883God damnit! You beat me to it.
Same
The Estonia dissaster is stil an open wound in Sweden/Finland/Estonia with diffrent groups stil waiting for answer to what happend that night. They will do new dives at the accident site in the coming month to try to get a final answer.
Thank you for including the Empress of Ireland, a horrific story that's not told anywhere near as much as it should be
My father, Steven w shultz, and his 32 crew mates, died in the wreck of the El faro, a roll on roll off cargo ship, October 2015. The captain had bad weather data, and even though my father, the first mate, and two other mates asked him if he planned to change course, he sailed the ship right into a cat 3 hurricane, known as hurricane Joaquin. It was such an avoidable tragedy. While my father will be known as a hero for his efforts to save the ship and crew, the loss was devastating. Keep doing what you do Simon. Love your work. Thanks for this one 🙏⚓
I have sailed on MS Sally when I was a kid . It wasnt build for open sea, it was build to navigate in cover of finnish archipelago . Its also a stage of one of the most brutal and unsolved murder case of Finland .
I am glad you mentioned the Empress of Ireland. The worst part about that disaster is that it happened so close to shore.
And in only 15 minutes too.
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The sinking of The Princess Sophia on Vanderbilt Reef would have been horrific. Running aground and just sitting there before finally sinking. Giving its passengers plenty of time to think about their situation and to see rescue vessels just out of reach. The only survivor was a dog.
Also the sinking of The Sultana on the Mississippi. Heavily overloaded with returning Union soldiers some of them freed from prison camps. A boiler exploded ignited an inferno.
How do you sink if you've "run aground"?
@@mmaxx6786 The waves and tide during a storm tore it off the reef shredding the hull.
This video makes me think you should do a video on the so-called "graveyard of the Pacific" off the coast of Oregon and Washington State. There's some interesting shipwrecks over there
I have never heard of the Titanitc,, is she a Polish cruise ship? When did she go down?
Submarine with a screen door, I believe.
The real horror of the Wilhelm Gustloff is, that in recent years even the very high estimated death toll calculated after the war has been recalculated, based on witness accounts of survivors about ppl cramped into every nook and corner and ship schematics. The official death toll was 5,348, but it was later estimated to be as much as 9,000. The new results, however, are even higher, most likely there were 12,000-12,500 ppl on board.
I'm surprised that the biggest tragedy in modern maritime history. The Sewol ferry was the most heartbreaking things I've seen a country face and deserves to have it's story told
If you are interested the Brick Immortar channel did a 2 part deep dive into this tragedy and the mismanagement surrounding it. If you haven't watched it yet, I highly recommend it. I get so angry thinking about the horrors the victims and their families were put through.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the Halifax disaster. It was a munitions ship requisitioned to go to Europe during WW1, got hit by an impatient and unpleasant captain of a ferry and detonated with the largest non-nuclear explosion until WW2. It completely leveled Halifax and killed the most civilians of a non-European city in the entirety of WW1
There are so many maritime disasters to choose from. 😢
Simon likes topics he can repeat, especially if they get views. I'm sure they'd be willing to do a part two because as you say, so many.
I wouldn't consider Halifax to be a big one because it was an industrial accident and not a shipwreck. He's mentioned it in other disaster videos.
He has covered it before, but unfortunately I don't remember on which channel
@@KW-qd1bilooks like it's sideprojects that he covered it on.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the steamboat Sultana. A combination of overcrowding, greed, and poor maintenance led to 1,167 mostly paroled soldiers from both the North and South following the US Civil War died when the poorly patched boiler exploded on April 27th, 1865
Ahh yes, I listened about that one on the dork-o-motive podcast. Very interesting (and sad) story.
@@Deuce1550 I saw a documentary about the Sultana a few years ago. Yes, very sad and largely forgotten about
I read about the Sultana and General Slocum growing up and it's what finally extinguished any belief in a "god" or higher power.
Emaciated POWs who had endured extreme torture and had finally been allowed to leave appalling conditions only to be blown or burned to death when they were finally released?
combined with:
Families on a church outing burned to death, drowned in shallow waters, or barely escaped only to be robbed/looted and murdered by their supposed "rescuers"?
Yeah, that's a no from me.
In 255 BC the Roman fleet was devastated by a storm while returning from Africa, with 384 ships sunk from a total of 464 and 100,000 men lost.
Now that is a maritime disaster.
That's nothing compared to kublais Invasion of japan with 4,400 ships and 140.000+ personnel in which 80 percent of those ships were destroyed by a typhoon called kamikaze( divine wind)
Wait; What? The icy waters of the Philippines?
One disaster i know of which didn't have a large death toll but a massive impact on the villages that it was returning men to was the Iolair which in 1919 sunk when bringing soldiers who survived the war back to their homes this was to an island off the north west coast of Scotland which sunk after hitting rocks at night very close to the harbour a large proportion of the men died as they where asleep when it crashed and sunk killing many leaving many villages with little able bodied men as most died in the war or they sinking.
Finally someone talks about the Gustloff! A disaster that not many know or remember today!
this guy has so many channels, i feel like i discover a new one each month
13 century Mongol invasion of Japan with more than 4,400 ships and 140.000 men in which 80 percent of that fleet is estimated to have been destroyed by a typhoon called kamikaze( divine wind). By far the largest maritime disaster.
Few things about Estonia; she was after being in Viking Lines traffic as Viking Sally, in Silja Lines traffic as Silja Star and after that in Wasa Line traffic as Wasa King before becoming Estonia.
Viking Sally was initially designed for coastal/archipelago traffic as there are no much of open sea between (Turku and) Mariehamn and Stockholm. So she really wasn't designed for harsh open sea conditions of Baltic sea.
Her bow ramp design was like that when shut/lift up, part of it folded inside of a box housing on the bow visor. As the visor fell off, it teared the ramp open with it.
Other old Viking Lines ship, Diana 2, shared her bow visor and ramp construction with Viking Sally. Diana 2 also suffered heavy damage to its bow visor (locks) before Estonia , but this incident apparently was not deemed noteworthy to do anything to other ships.
The Dona Paz has to be the worst. Everyone burned to death. Even the survivors were all burned.
Sadly, while virtually every Canadian adult is at least somewhat aware of the Titanic disaster, very few are familiar with The Empress of Ireland. I guess that there weren’t enough celebrities and millionaires on board and it went down too quickly to provide sufficient time for drama.
No it's because WW1 started a bit after the sinking of the Empress of Ireland that's why not many people knows. I went to see the Museum in 2014 in Pointe-au-Père near Rimouski, Province of Quebec Canada
@@anickmartin9795 That’s why it was largely forgotten at the time but doesn’t explain why it continues today.
@@robertpearson8798 I know I have never forgot the Empress of Ireland and you should visit the Museum
Both Titanic and Empress of Ireland sinkings where the startting point of Clive Cussler novels.
Ah, yes, the “Titanitc”…sunk by an “icebertg”…
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The new digs are looking excellent Rory! Looking forward to seeing what y’all do with it.
can you do a longer, more in-depth video on the MS estonia?
"the front fell off" - inspired by the MS Estonia
I know some one who missed the Estonia due to a faulty alarm clock and had to take a later ferry.
My step grandfather was doing his military service on the island of Gotland during WWII. Back then there was one daily ferry to and from the island. He had been on leave for a few days but was due back to his regiment together with the rest of said regiment. On the way he and his friends got a flat tire on their car, and back then things like auto shops and gas stations were closed on Sundays so it took them a few hours to fix it. Thus, they missed the ferry by five minutes and knew that they were in deep dodo as they were going to be almost a day late to return after their leave, They could end up in the slammer for that.
The next they they hopped on to the ferry and returne dto their regiment, expecting to be arrested. Instead the colonel hugged them and cried when he saw them.
Hansa, the ferry they SHOULD have been on, had been hit by a torpedo. Only one person, the company owner, survived. My step grandpa and his friends were the only men left in the regiment. The colonel were just happy that there were survivors even though they only survived because they missed the ill fated ferry.
“You got Sally and you got Sue And I got a Chevrolet”- I love my truck.
I was not expecting to see the Empress of Ireland on this. Thank you
Hey Simon
Please put this out as a podcast
The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down of the big lake they called Gitche Gumee. Probably deserves an episode of it's own if you haven't already.
The lake it is said never gives up her dead when the skies of November turn gloomy...
minor spelling mistake 🤯
Where?
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Still havent caught onto it either
The Sultana needed a mention, 1,167 fatalities on a river!
Great video pal, thanks
To this I can add the gruesome tragedy of RMS Arctic, where the crew escaped during tge sinking with amost all the lifeboats, and the ones that were left were raping the women onboard during the sinking, while the loyal crew werr trying to make a life raft to one of the boats, the rampaging crew and passengers tore it down as they tried to board it... There were countless of brawls and murders, and after the sinking, the blood of people atracted sharks... The water was also very cold
Maritime disaster synonymous with the Titanic? Clearly Simon has not listened to Gordon Lightfoot
Man... I knew all 5 of these ships!
Awww, fact boy pitching Life Insurance, all grown up. I love it.
The sinking of the Cap Arcona, Deutschland and Thielbeck in an allied air raid killed about seven thousand allied prisoners of war.
The Gustlav, and the Britannic I don't consider to be maritime disasters due to their use in military operations at the time of their sinking, maritime tragedies for sure, but to me a disaster means it was an act of nature or accident, not an act of military
The sinking of the SS Arctic is pretty horrifying as well.
I went rowing last Saturday. My feet got wet. I consider that a disaster.
MS Estonia has new information coming out within this or next year, so it may be a good idea to update the video on that part in the october of next year (release probably 2025)
I've heard of the Philippine ferry disaster and the sinking of that German ship, but not the Empress of Ireland.
Plenty more for volume 2 - The Herald of Free Enterprise, Costa Concordia . . .
Should be noted that according to the 2023 investigation by the Swedish Accident Investigation Authority (SHK) the Estonia's certificate of of seaworthiness was found to be not valid. The appropriate inspection of the bow visor required was never conducted, and the ship wasn't rated for the open waters between Stockholm and Tallinn, only the safer, calmer, and much narrower distance between Sweden and Finland. Had this been discovered before that stormy 1994 night, the MS Estonia would not have been allowed to ply the Stockholm-Tallinn route, and the disaster would not have happened.
you forgot the halifax explosion where in WW1 a freighter rammed a munitions ship and completely leveled halifax!!
Another possibility for a future episode is the SS Eastland. 844 people died after the top-heavy ship listed onto its side...20 feet (6m) from shore in the Chicago River!
If I have to choose shipwrecks that weren’t the titanic These will definitely be on my list.
Six disasters, the misspelling of TITANIC👻
what about RMS Lusitania, torpedoed in WWI and went down in 18 minutes with a death toll of almost 1200, and was one of the reasons why the U.S joined the war,
2 days later and the title misspelling is still there. I’m sure it helps the algorithm by increasing interactions. lol
One of the most tragic aspects of the sinking of the Estonia: no children under 12 survived.
Simon, in case you read this comment, I really dislike the mid story ad drop. Do it between stories and it won't be as jarring or feel as bad. Personally I zone right out, but would be more receptive if they were at a better time.
Former Spanish possession being corrupt no way can't believe it 😅
Sorry to say, Simon, but..
The ramp tightens,, the more you pound on it! It has, THICK, seals to prevent the water to pass.
And, the "theory" that the ramp was "down", is impossible!
You are not(!) able to close the visor, IF the ramp is not up!
And, how do I, know this? I have worked on "countless" ferries of this type, through my career as an engineer.
And, all those, "tinnhatt" theories" concerning the ramp, being down, and/or leaking, it`s easy to say: Bullshit!
If, water gets in, through the seals, it would be of minor quantities , NOT A FLOOD!
And. on the bridge, there are several alarms, concerning the safe closure of the ramp/visor.
The bolts, are about 10cm thick! Hydraulic maneuvered and with sensors,telling that they are "in place". No chance in Hell, you are able to pound in, a ramp, bigger than the hole, it`s covering!
from a Finn in Diaspora
Ahh the Titanitc.
You missed the opportunity to mention Vilet Jessop who survived the sinking of both the Titanic and Britannic. ;-)
An urbain legend says a Titanic boiler worker survived and later worked on the Empress of Ireland, where he also survived the sinking.
The Ripley's "Frank Tower" story. Also said to survived the sinking of the Lusitania.
At about 0:39 and 0:40, did you say “Tinanic” or did my headphones short out? Or maybe my brain can’t keep up with how quickly you speak.
titanitc
Germans shooting an American non combatant ship Lusitania: war crime.
Soviets shooting a German non combatant ship: it's okay.
Scvm.
Having worked with a group exploring the Britannic in the 1990s, as the explosive and damage expert, I have grave doubts about the cargo carried by the ship. The mine that the Britannic hit had an explosive charge of only 150 kilograms of a TNT-equivalent explosive. At most, that would open up about a 400 square foot hole in the ship, nowhere near enough to involve 6 watertight compartments. Then the vessel also sank so fast, less that half of the time of the sinking of the Titannic. The was far too much damage to the bow to be accounted for by a single mine explosion. The ship was carrying a fair amount of cans of gasoline in the forward cargo hold, and British gasoline cans were notorious for leaking fuel and fuel vapors. The possibility of a gasoline vapor explosion cannot be overlooked. Then there is the possibility of some questionable material for a hospital ship to be carrying. The loss of that large a ship to such a small mine does not add up.
You're missing the fact that almost all the portholes in the forward sections of the lower deck, were completely open. The nurses had opened them to air out the wards against orders. Even with her watertight doors closed, the ingress of water through the portholes was easily enough to bring her down at the head.
It's also important to note that not all of the watertight doors in the engine/boiler rooms closed correctly. Stop trying to look for conspiracies were none exist.
The Joola of Senegal, almost 2000 people, known as the Titanic of Africa is another one. Always overlooked as is the case with everything African.
I am literally 3 days away from taking an Alaskan cruise. Hahah
How about the Herald of Free Enterprise?
Isn't it bad luck to change the name of a ship? The first ship found this out.
For me Estonia is much closer than Titanic because i´ve actually been to Estonia as a kid
Worst thing about MV Wilhelm Gustlof is that this russian sub captain known full well what he is shooting at. A ship full of civilians that were trying to flee russian horde.
He didn’t and he couldn’t. His task was convoy raiding. He found an armed transport with an inadequate navy escort, and with some difficulties managed to sink it. Also, there were no Russian subs or Russian hordes: they were Soviet. For example Marinesku himself was Ukrainian. You know, Soviets created a ton of blatant propaganda about this event, including 3500 destroyed submariners and GESTAPO operatives etc. But you aren’t much better.
You have no bloody idea what you are talking about. You should go back to r/worldnews and just blatantly hate on Russians with other likeminded dimwits.
He was a captain in charge, these WW2 subs were limited on supplies. EXTREMELY LIMITED. He gets a task to raid convoys - he sets out to raid convoys for as long as he has food and weaponry. Long range communications back then werent so good either. So your to put it in line with your dull mind. No he didnt surface his submarine to radio with HQ so he would get instructions "Ayyy there is a ship fulled to the brim with civilians, you should sink it". What he did is his job, just like every other sub captain from that era did. Find an enemy ship, sink an enemy ship.
I only watch your side projects because your other videos are long winded and tend to add allot of personal opinion, that is nice but I prefer facts but the fact that your other videos have so much opinion I wonder how much fact your other videos have
Titanitc
I see you selling life insurance after talking about the worst maritime disaster in peacetime... And applaud you. What next, talking about airplane crashes while selling parachutes?
I thought planes had life vests under the seats, not parachutes....
@@Lassisvulgaris Sounds like an excellent marketing opportunity.
@@whassupsy9633 I'm judt waiting for boats to have parachutes under the seats....
Now do the worst pre-cars, buggy crashes 😅
RoRo stands for roll on, roll over. The MS Estonia will always be my favourite engineering disaster.
They don't really roll over that often though. But they seem to be catching fire quite often. As for the Estonia, I find it quite strange that they found themselves in such difficult weather. Usually, when the seas are too heavy, ferries are banned from travelling. At least were I'm from.
Crazy how billions of people have died in the oceans and yet no one knows they even existed
HOW MANY CHANNELS DO YOU HAVE??
The Russian navies only contribution of note to WW2 being the sinking of a passenger liner? I for one am shocked.
Not.
Aprox. 1501 people now
AIN'T WAR HELL?! AHAHA-HAHAH, GET SUMMM!
okay this is the most embarrassing simon channel video title misspelling i've seen
That's Link...he's from Estonia
I'm just appalled 😢😮😢
Sulpicio Lines is known for having for having lost 4 passenger liners, last one was 2008, the government finally revoked their license to carry passengers in 2015
I know you are probably getting this comment dozens of times, but why no _Lusitania_ ???
Can this guy talk any faster, he should have been an auctioneer!
no halifax explosion?
My dude !!! You kinda spelled Titanic wrong in the headline AM I RIGHT PETAH ??
Add +5 to the titanic death toll.
Hopefully not In America, tracks aren't well maintained.
Bro got sponsored by a life insurance company lol.
You have wrong with Estonia she have route Umeå Vasa with Silja Line and her name was Vasa king before she got sold and get her name Estonia
Still misspelled Titanic and havent fixed it days later. At this point they just dont care do they 😂
Titanic***
Deadliest strait tragedies: Evergrande
Comment for the algorithm
I second you on that....