Ross Fancy Pants keep up luxury fiat and yugo tractors. Now need 50 west craft beer with Grey Poupon hang around with High Class Farmers 😅😅😅😅😅. Great video's keep up good work thanks again Ross.
Grounds can drive you crazy. I changed the lights on my combine a couple years ago, and last year they quit working. I messed with it for 5 hours (and multiple adult beverages) until I figured out I had a bad ground to the cab.
The strange thing about this one is it has this extra relay to make the light on the dash come on, because the light is grounded and you can’t have it work that way with the alternator. I can’t explain it easy but I understand how it works now.
Ross, if you can't find a new relay for that era, a modern day relay should work in its place. They all have the same number coding 85,87,86, 30. If you look up relay and the number coding it will tell you what does what. Good luck, enjoying the Fiats
Yeah, This one is strange because it has that relay to trigger the light because the light is grounded instead of hooked to switch power. It took a while but I think my mind is finally wrapping around it 🤣🤣🤣
@@rosstheoliverman I probably did but my memory ain’t what it used to be, sorry for the repetitive comment s. My wife calls me out on that all the time 😂.
Remember, remember: every ground connection via the machine's metal is always suspect. Wiring old machinery means (to me) running a separate ground wire for everything from a central ground point, aka eventually the ground side of the battery. Only use a direct ground wire, or hot wire; from the actual battery for your test light to get consistent test results. If that means a 30 foot wire on the test lamp, so be it. Rusty sheet metal, rusty screw connections, etc. simply are not reliable and can lead you down a rabbit hole where their is not rabbit. :)
Yes, g stand for giallo(yellow)😂 I think here in Italy every parts are still avaiable for these Fiat tractors, you could swap the alternator with a new one with integrated dashboard pin light and bypass all this existing wiring. Or.. you could do a new wiring😂 bye bro.
Do like most tractor collectors do. Put a Delco one wire alternator. Maybe if you want the Fiat look, get a MoPar alternator and regulator from the early 80s and put it on. You are dealing with it "When it works it is fine, but the other 99% of the time it is not fine." Here is my thought on that sensing wire and relay. When you turn the switch on the voltage potential of battery 12v sees a ground at one of the diodes in the alternator and closes which turns the light on. Then when the alternator starts charging the voltage within the indicator light ground point becomes at the same voltage value as the battery and now you have a balanced voltage on both sides of the coil in the simple relay and that causes a stalemate as far as voltage goes and the coil loses current required to energize it and relaxes the relay causing the points that the current to the indicator light if provided to now be an open circuit. You might remember the old early, lets say early alternators, that the light would be on when you turned the key on. Then as you started the car the light would get dimmer and dimmer and then go out. That was simply because the battery voltage was on one side of the bulb and grounded in the alternator so it lit. As the alternator (Or generator) output voltage equaled the battery voltage to each side of the bulb the bulb would quit lighting. If say the belt was slipping enough that the alternator or generator was just on the edge of starting to be producing less voltage than the battery voltage the light would start to come on dim and even flicker if the charging unit was starting to charge but then the load on the belt would make it again drop charge and the bulb would come back on. This is a long thesis about what might be the design of the Italians, who were always known to apply fancy architecture for anything that could be made in a rather simple way. The only more screwed-up electrical systems are the Lucas, The Prince of Darkness, ones the Brits had.
I think you should do this test: check if the battery goes to 13,6-14V when the engine run; in this case the alternator is fine and the dashboard light is nothing to worry. If the voltage is much lower you got bad alternator or bad wires .. good luck😂
Momma Mia itsa Mario the Fiat Man. The trouble with those wires is it looksa like a bowl of spaghetti. Pour some sauce on it and call it a day 😂😂 Naw but really I enjoyed the video. You'll get them all fixed up and they'll be great little tractors.
That relay looks like the relay that is on my 72 chevy truck for the horn . My 67 truck has the same one . Still available at part store.. It was labeled 30. 87 . Can't remember all the numbers. There were 4 terminals each had a number. Seems all relays are labeled with the same numbers .2 terminals are the load side ,2 are the control side
Does the yellow wire show it is good? Are all the terminals clean? Does the alternator show it is charging? Are all the ground straps in place and connected? DC is the biggest pain!
All I know is some guy stopped me on the street and asked what’s red and bad for your teeth? He said a brick. I couldn’t figure it out and then it hit me.
I’m related I go pulling with my farmall H every once and a while and my buddy tells me he thinks Oliver’s should be in a class of there own because they always win I told him it’s because of the 6 cylinders
I hated electrical problems back in the day when I was a decent shade tree mechanic. 👍👍
It’s so much fun 🤣
A major case of gremlins!!! Not unlike Pat Brady on the old Roy Rogers series with Nelliebelle the jeep that had a mind of it's own LOL
🤣 thanks Don!
In Scotland Ross FIAT is short for ( Fix It Again Tomorrow ) and I am sure you see why 😂👍
🤣 I understand for sure!!
When we're done with the 1365s we should start the forklift project lol great video's
I know, I really need to use that forklift so I really should get to that project 🤣
Ross Fancy Pants keep up luxury fiat and yugo tractors. Now need 50 west craft beer with Grey Poupon hang around with High Class Farmers 😅😅😅😅😅. Great video's keep up good work thanks again Ross.
🤣 thanks Derek!
All the connections are corroded, you need to get pliers and a wire brush and take apart that fuse block and clean everything.
The problem on this tractor is the alternator you’ll see in the upcoming videos.
Grounds can drive you crazy. I changed the lights on my combine a couple years ago, and last year they quit working. I messed with it for 5 hours (and multiple adult beverages) until I figured out I had a bad ground to the cab.
The strange thing about this one is it has this extra relay to make the light on the dash come on, because the light is grounded and you can’t have it work that way with the alternator. I can’t explain it easy but I understand how it works now.
Great video I am sure you will get them figured out some stuff just takes time.
Thanks Timothy!
Ross, if you can't find a new relay for that era, a modern day relay should work in its place. They all have the same number coding 85,87,86, 30. If you look up relay and the number coding it will tell you what does what. Good luck, enjoying the Fiats
I got a regulator but never looked into the relay. I’ll check it out. Thanks!!
As always,I enjoy you videos every day
Thanks Doug!
thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Ross start at battery ground and work your way along cleaning every ground wire could be your problems are just dodgy grounds
Yeah, This one is strange because it has that relay to trigger the light because the light is grounded instead of hooked to switch power. It took a while but I think my mind is finally wrapping around it 🤣🤣🤣
This is where a cheap set of colored pencils come in handy. It’s a lot easier to visualize the color rather than read the color.
Yeah, I need to do that. I think you suggested that last time and that’s a great idea.
@@rosstheoliverman I probably did but my memory ain’t what it used to be, sorry for the repetitive comment s. My wife calls me out on that all the time 😂.
Crank the tractor and put a voltmeter across battery red lead to positive and black lead to negative post to see if it is charging
Yeah, it’s not charging. I didn’t use the voltmeter but you’ll see in the upcoming video that they alternator is the problem
My old buicks wiring strains my brain power every thing
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The alternator may be the problem. The rectifiers may have been shorted, causing the magic smoke. A new or rebuilt alternator may solve the problem.
It is the problem. You’ll see in an upcoming episode. Thanks Carl!
Remember, remember: every ground connection via the machine's metal is always suspect. Wiring old machinery means (to me) running a separate ground wire for everything from a central ground point, aka eventually the ground side of the battery. Only use a direct ground wire, or hot wire; from the actual battery for your test light to get consistent test results. If that means a 30 foot wire on the test lamp, so be it. Rusty sheet metal, rusty screw connections, etc. simply are not reliable and can lead you down a rabbit hole where their is not rabbit. :)
I like bunnies
But yes more times than not there's no rabbit 🐰
Me too; brought a many of them home to the dinner table. @@jonathanwolf3370
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Ross you always seem to get yourself into some pretty good situations to try to figure out with your Italians 🤣🤣🤣 thanks Michael
🤣🤣🤣 thanks Michael!
Wiring of ANY kind makes my head spin 1st that's quickly followed by a migraine that lasts for about a week! Thanks for all your content!
Thanks Shawn!!!
Yes, g stand for giallo(yellow)😂 I think here in Italy every parts are still avaiable for these Fiat tractors, you could swap the alternator with a new one with integrated dashboard pin light and bypass all this existing wiring. Or.. you could do a new wiring😂 bye bro.
That’s cool they still offer most stuff. Thanks for watching!!
Do like most tractor collectors do. Put a Delco one wire alternator. Maybe if you want the Fiat look, get a MoPar alternator and regulator from the early 80s and put it on. You are dealing with it "When it works it is fine, but the other 99% of the time it is not fine."
Here is my thought on that sensing wire and relay. When you turn the switch on the voltage potential of battery 12v sees a ground at one of the diodes in the alternator and closes which turns the light on. Then when the alternator starts charging the voltage within the indicator light ground point becomes at the same voltage value as the battery and now you have a balanced voltage on both sides of the coil in the simple relay and that causes a stalemate as far as voltage goes and the coil loses current required to energize it and relaxes the relay causing the points that the current to the indicator light if provided to now be an open circuit.
You might remember the old early, lets say early alternators, that the light would be on when you turned the key on. Then as you started the car the light would get dimmer and dimmer and then go out. That was simply because the battery voltage was on one side of the bulb and grounded in the alternator so it lit. As the alternator (Or generator) output voltage equaled the battery voltage to each side of the bulb the bulb would quit lighting. If say the belt was slipping enough that the alternator or generator was just on the edge of starting to be producing less voltage than the battery voltage the light would start to come on dim and even flicker if the charging unit was starting to charge but then the load on the belt would make it again drop charge and the bulb would come back on.
This is a long thesis about what might be the design of the Italians, who were always known to apply fancy architecture for anything that could be made in a rather simple way. The only more screwed-up electrical systems are the Lucas, The Prince of Darkness, ones the Brits had.
You’ll see in an upcoming episode, that’s what I do to the other tractor. Thanks Gary!
I think you should do this test: check if the battery goes to 13,6-14V when the engine run; in this case the alternator is fine and the dashboard light is nothing to worry.
If the voltage is much lower you got bad alternator or bad wires .. good luck😂
Thank you!!
Momma Mia itsa Mario the Fiat Man. The trouble with those wires is it looksa like a bowl of spaghetti. Pour some sauce on it and call it a day 😂😂 Naw but really I enjoyed the video. You'll get them all fixed up and they'll be great little tractors.
🤣🤣🤣 Thanks!!
There’s times that a ohmmeter/voltmeter sure is handy…
Yeah, I really should’ve got it out of the truck 🤣
Ross, thanks for your videos, I really enjoy them!! I'm glad I'm not the only guy with part interchange problems 😂!
Glad you like them! Thanks for watching!!!
That relay looks like the relay that is on my 72 chevy truck for the horn . My 67 truck has the same one . Still available at part store.. It was labeled 30. 87 . Can't remember all the numbers. There were 4 terminals each had a number. Seems all relays are labeled with the same numbers .2 terminals are the load side ,2 are the control side
I’ll have to check that out and see if they’re similar. Thanks!
Wiring can be so aggravating you made a good call just to walk away from it and come back and it will make sense. When is your school bus work begin?
It began 2 weeks ago 😭
I was just wondering if you have a combine ready to go
I need to get on that project. Probably do it the morning I need it 🤣
I remermber my dads stopped charging too, but it ended up being the voltage regulator
This one’s got a brand new voltage regulator so it’s not my first suspect. However we all know that the parts of today aren’t as good as the original.
I'd switch it out just to be sure about it, just in case
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Stay away from internet . I went through 2 Chinese ones. Got a good one at NAPA.
Yeah, sometimes that stuff is even cheaper than the cheap stuff 🤣
Wish i was closer id come help you with the electrical stuff i pretty fair at it . See
I’m saving you for whenever my Baler monitor messes up. Maybe you can figure it out 🤣
Does the yellow wire show it is good? Are all the terminals clean? Does the alternator show it is charging? Are all the ground straps in place and connected? DC is the biggest pain!
Thanks Frank!!
Glad to see you’re dinking on what may end up being my tractor. Did the pictures come thru for you on the email?
Yes. Let me get it fixed up more better and then maybe we can swap.
Sometimes walk away is better, or you end up in 🤯
Absolutely 🤣
I'll stand on my blue mark, and then I'm going to say hello to each one of you...
All I know is some guy stopped me on the street and asked what’s red and bad for your teeth? He said a brick. I couldn’t figure it out and then it hit me.
I’m related I go pulling with my farmall H every once and a while and my buddy tells me he thinks Oliver’s should be in a class of there own because they always win I told him it’s because of the 6 cylinders
They do pretty good in the pulls!
Do you have days with 'nothing else to do'?? Judging by the number of repair videos you produce, I'd say those days are rare at best.
I don’t have any free time 😭
Carry a small note pad to help with the old memory; helps stay organized. @@rosstheoliverman
I'm not good with wiring either, so I can't criticize you. You did better than I, because I would have had a few choice sounds, hahahaha.
🤣 thanks Jonathan!
Ross returns to driving school bus. Ross gets depressed. Coincidence?
It’s the lack of being able to drink that causes extreme sadness 🤣
@@rosstheoliverman so one causes the other. Dann kids
@@ThatOliverGuyChris 🤣🤣🤣
@@ThatOliverGuyChris kids cause accidents and accidents cause kids.
@@rosstheoliverman 😂😂😂
You tube order wiring my tractor amp guage ingtion switch head light switch
Do you have a 1450?
Not yet but I’m working on a possible trade.
Hahaha demons
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Wiring just sucks and foreign wiring sucks worse.
Also having a small brain I have found does not help 🤣
I know, I know. I keep hearing that old ugly line that size matters.@@rosstheoliverman
Wiring is fun not
Agree!
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Thanks Paul!