The boiling time depends on the altitude. Here in the alps we count 1 min per 1000 meters. That is because water boils at lower temperature the higher you go...
Keeping it real even after the accidental spill. That’s what makes your videos really good learning tools. You’re not doing textbook situations and continue on when something goes fubar moving forward…..
Thanks for the video, really enjoyed it. As a followup for anyone wanting to go down the water rabbit hole, the channel Gear Skeptic has an extensive, really good, series on backcountry water disinfection/purification options. One of my favorite tips was to use a WAPI device to tell you when the water you're heating has been purified, saving time and fuel.
Superb Video. When I end up running 100 mile Ultra Marathons in the Mountains of the world, the lessons you taught me in this video will prove to be priceless. thank you Soooo much for sharing this and explaining everything in such a methodical way. I'll check out the life straw too
Like the hot water bottle trick and i have a large thermis only £12 from BnM that keeps hot for 4 hr, warm for 2 more and the pressure button style seal is great for releasing gass pressure from hot liqids without loosing liqid or spraying hot liqid in your face.
Hi ! Thank you so much for this super video! I bought a life straw bottle and i think its a great idea after i saw your video to get a millbank bag in case of failure of my bottle I dont wanna get stuck haha Yess the cave video plz 😊
Thank you for a very interesting and informative video. I was feeling your pain when the can went over . Great to see the humble Millbank getting airtime. Keep up the great work your doing and hope to see more like this.
Another awesome video, not only great content and instruction but extra tip with the hot water bottle 👍 cant wait for when joe public can join you on one of your courses next year, fingers crossed 🤞 Thanks guysl
Nice surroundings you have around you, where i am its agricultural land mostly and full of chems. how do you deal with more nefarious water sources? still ponds and the like? be interesting to know.
Forgot your rope to get own the hill. Double it around a tree for support get down pull it down. As far as the cave only with a buddy. CDC boil for 1 minute even Salmonella to kill and purify.
you said there you plan to do a video at some point focused on the pendulous sedge, i'd be very interested in that. i know the seeds are edible and ergot free, though no doubt a massive hassle. i also assume some form of cordage can be made from it too, but i'd like to see what you have to say about it. great videos man, thanks.
If it is coming from a natural spring straight out of the ground, why does it need to be filtered and purified? I thought it would be drinkable as is, no?
boiling water IS NOT just boiling water. how long can you survive at a lethally high or low temperature? heat sterilisation always has a time component, weather thats mushroom substrate, chicken pie, or scientific equipment.
Another method for transferring water is through capillary action. So for example, imagine you dug a hole down to the water level. The water is muddy brown. You then take a strip of absorbent material, wet it, dunk one end in the hole and the other into a container. Capillary action will then slowly draw the water up the strip of material into the container. The action will also remove the dirt from the water. True it can be a slow process but I have used it to draw gallons of water overnight from a flat roof on an previous property.
The point of boiling water for 5-10 minutes is that some bacteria, Salmonella for example, can resist a brief boil. Also if the toxin produced by Clostridium Botulinum is present, it takes time to be de-natured by heat, even though the bacteria itself gets killed much easier.
@@Matt_Alaric Rather than give a single "source for those claims", which are based on pretty rudimentary school-level biology, search for "denature botulism toxin" and "kill salmonella". You'll get plenty of sources.
@@Matt_Alaric No it' was intended as a polite way of saying "Don't be so lazy, a simple search of the internet will give you multiple sources (not just the ones that I may favour). Don't expect me to do the work for you." If you have evidence that what I said was incorrect, then why don't you offer it up?
@@xreftx The onus is always on the person making the claim. Always. It's called "the burden of proof". Or to put it even more simply - Hitchen's razor: that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Being Rambo is a commentary on our current lives As you know,. the movie an script where written to reflect society. For example , when sheriff Teasle said ' people start fucking around with the law and all hell breaks loose"...Alot of guys wanna be Rambo 😎🇺🇸
Having lived homeless for around 18 months in the past, in the UK, this was slightly useful. I think?? I just find an unguarded tap and use that. Take a 5ltr container and you are good for a couple of days. I've gone out at 4am just to get as much water as I can carry; a rucksack full of it (In containers, obviously). You don't need to source and process water in places where you are uphill from habitation in remote areas. You make sure there is nothing dead upstream, find a fast flowing part and drink it. Rural... Find a tap. There's always a tap. Even, as a now non homeless person I look for taps I could access. It doesn't leave you. I'll probably do it until I die. There's a tap you could use. I could give you three water points within a 15 minute walk.
Yes, Nick we would love to see you explore that cave! Realy nice video. I'm in the Netherlands, where I live land is realy flat. We have loads of almost or fully stegnant water in drainage ditches and fens. Even if we have flowing water there is a lot of intensive farming around with all the pestisides and other chemicals. Do you have any tips for such environments? Ps. Not moving yet, so I mean other options ;) Thanks!
@@hiddenvalleybushcraft5683 I'm bothered by the idea of using more chemicals to render chemically polluted water potable. I'm not army trained, and did a chemistry 'A' level many moons ago, and probably not up to date with stuff, but adding a chemical tablet would have to react to the chemicals in the water and maybe that would produce other chemicals which aren't necessarily less harmful. It just seems chancy to me. I once drove to Australia from the UK and we had a small pump made by Safari which rendered the most stagnant water delicious and safe, although it couldn't do salt water. We used it a lot and the worst water was a swamp in Southern Iran.
@@hiddenvalleybushcraft5683 puritabs won’t help. They’re chlorine or iodine and just kill microorganisms. If there’s a risk of chemical contamination really the only option (in the absence of industrial equipment) is probably reverse osmosis or - preferably - distillation. Similarly (I’m sure you know this but for your other viewers) the Millbank bag won’t filter out microorganisms. They get rid of particulate matter like faeces. As you say, purify after filtration. Personally I find the Millbank bags a bit bulky - I carry the ends of a pair of heavy Nora Batty stockings* as they work well and are much lighter. * Fishnets don’t work though :)
HI Nick, I thoroughly enjoyed this video, as I have done with your whole series, you have a great presentation style, relaxed and down to earth. As ex British Army, I not so fondly remember the poison tabs too! Collecting water on the go, water recce patrols, reading the ground, the good old days! keep up the good work!
@@hiddenvalleybushcraft5683 you have worked in the army come on you should know the earth is flat and there never was an ice age. water always finds it's way flat and level. i'm sure when you are in the army all the instructions they give you are about aiming straight never do they start asking you to take into account the bullet going over curvature. or any of that other sudo science stuff about curvature and the globe. even when people plan out military strategies or play military board games they take place on a FLAT surface or table, nobody is doing military strategies taking into account of curvature.
Good simple to grasp informative stuff! Thanks! Here's an extra option available - If you want to cool your water quicker, and you have the time, you can put the container in the stream for a while (providing it isn't a vac flask).
I like your video,and you look like a guy with a lot of experience. I was wondering, where you can buy those millbank bags ? or are there other things that work as well, like coffee filters, or paper towels, which I read, that can also work, but I'm not sure ? A quick reply would be appreciated. Thanks from Canada :) - new sub. Note : this is just for filtering I'm talking about, you'd always have to boil the water after, to kill bacteria etc.
Yes! All important for any survival or backcountry excursions. Thank you Nick. Keep these edu-tainment videos coming, mate. I truly appreciate your service, experience and your knowledge. If ever I get over to the UK, I promise to look you up.
What a proper chilled and decent video pal ! You should definitely explore that cave that you found that would be epic 🤘🏻 me and the Mrs are going to be tapping some silver birch soon and getting some of that sweet juice 🥤 🥤
The Decent and Decent 2 are must watch before going into the cave. Told some caver from a students union club to watch the film as it had some much great caving in it, left out the occupants
Omg I'm so happy you made this video and that I found it lol I've been debating what to get for my water system and I can't believe these bags aren't common knowledge (to me anyway)
Actually no. Life Straws, sawyers etc, simply reduce in flow rate when they are getting near end of life. They don't suddenly allow bacteria through the membrane. They just get clogged.
@Ian Well with the hollow fibre ones at least, there is the potential for damage and possibly letting harmful stuff through. This only applies of course AFTER the filter has been used. If it's new no damage will occur. As far as I know though nobody has actually tested the claim that freezing damages them. Would be interesting to test it...🤔
Thanks for very insightful video! One thing though. I wouldn't dismiss "5 min or more of boiling" advice right away. Some bacteria or viruses indeed take that long of boiling at 100 deg to be destroyed (and some survive even that). Thus for suspicious water sources I'd really boil for as long as realistically possible. Besides, you don't loose that much water if you have a lead. Be safe and please keep up spreading your wisdom! :D
@@alanwright4120 Well, for the filtering, a few hundred million of years of sand and what I don't even know of, of filtering through. I can't beat that, for sure! And second, what kind of bacteria (that is bad for me) would make it through that process. I can't imagine one. Fresh spring water, is the best, I'll ever get. I'm pretty certain, about that.
These days I usually carry one 1 litre stainless steel and one 1 litre Nalgene wide mouth plastic bottle (old school 58 pattern guy lol) when I go out. The Nalgene is my collector bottle, (yes I mixed up my water bottles in the past) makes it easier to be picking up water on the move for filtering later. I do have a mill bank bag (3-4 years ago) but I’m glad I never got around to using it yet because the how to book (idiot guide) did not say about 2-3 filters, NO squeezing, OUR pull inside out for UVA drying. Love your videos, I’m trying to pass them around to a small group of like minded folks in my part of the world into the same things. I do give them a caviate about some of the things you say that I understand (Scottish & ex-military) that they as civilians might not understand and that might require me verbally interacting with them prior to them using the information.
I spent around 6 weeks back in the 80's utilising a cave, a folly built castle and old stone built structures in north wales. I set 30 foot long lines on the beach, hunted small game such as rabbit and squirrel, utilised local flora and every by catch I sold to local chefs.
As always I really enjoyed your video and the quality of the knowledge you share with us. Also I would most definitely like to see the cave exploration in more detail as well.
As someone from North-Norway I am so used to just drink the water straight out of the source. I guess this good knowledge to have now that i have moved..
I'm from Australia (Tasmania) and it's the same for me. I've never boiled water before drinking it straight from the river, however, I understand that human activity in much of the northern hemisphere (except Scandinavia) has completely ruined the quality/safety of the water...
How would you go about finding water in a Urban setting? Like my small town, there's no streams like that, and defo no springs, but we do have a river going thru town, clear ish in summer and murky in winter, if things got really bad, could I filter and boil up my town river water to drink? For a survival matter, if I had no other choice and hadn't had a drink for 2 to 3 days, because the way things are at the moment I can see that situation becoming reality.
Nice. But it makes no difference if you filter the water once or even four times through the bag. Since all the "nasties" that did get filtered out the first time will get in contact with the water again. Could only be avoided by using a new bag every time or cleaning the inside again every time (which may not really be a reasonable option). Btw. a paper coffee filter also works fine.
The WHO agrees with you. Their guidance is to reach a full rolling boil not to hold it for any amount of time. By the time you reach 100C you’re already past temperature and time marks to make it safe. At altitude where water boils at a lower temperature and will be. On top of Everest where the boiling point is 68C you’d need to boil water for about 20 minutes because it will never hit 100C.
Hello good sir, what kind of grain/micron do you recommend. Im new into this whole bushcraft thingy but complete in love. Or do you have a recommended one to buy. With kind regards. Glenn R
What would you do in combat situation ??. You don’t wanna be spilling your water in the desert mate.. i’d love to have a butchers in your cave..oh Matron !!..
Need a game to film... Two teams go hide in an area and take a pic of other teams camp spot to win? Idk quick thought base on that American cowboy tracking show. Some crap hat rivalry or something 🤔
It would be great to get such a Millbank Bag. But in Germany I didn’t find a original UK Mil one. Do you know a seller to get a original one? Would be awesome. king regards
There are wild garlic everywhere, where you collect the raw mineral water, where you filter the water, and where you boil the water. Wild garlic is edible and in fact delicious!
I use a filter intended for tea to remove visable particles from water before I boil it. If the water looks clean I just go straight to boiling. Would you say that it's necessary to filtrate water before boiling even if it looks clean like that spring water that you found? After watching this I feel like I should consider getting a different filter. Thank you for yet another great video!
@@hiddenvalleybushcraft5683 thats true of course, but boiling it will kill off all the nasties, yes filter if the water turbidity is an issue but Kristian is right and the method used is sound. IMHO of course! Stay safe Royal, regards from deepest Dorset
It's interesting that the vast majority of us grew up drinking straight from brooks and streams and we all survived, it's only adults who seem to get sick.
I'm about as old school has it gets, I regularly just get it out the river lea, put it though one of the old mother in law's bra's and do a brew, What don't kill ya, makes ya stronger. 👍
If you turn you filter bag inside out and place your water bottle in it hanging from the outside of your person you will A.dry and bleach your bag with uv rays nd B the water evaporating off the bag will cool your water down quicker and yes if I was desperate and hadn't had water for a day or two I would drink straight from the spring or use a life straw while collecting water for purifying
exposing something to 100-degree heat for 5 minutes vs 3s is more likely to kill it. it might not get any hotter but it's not like you instantly boil alive and die if you're dropped into boiling water, it takes a bit of time
We had a dead sheep almost at the source and it took the council several weeks to remove the bloated by then sheep. No one inspects all the way to the source. Please be very careful, everyone.
When I’m out in the wild I like to make a brew with black tea and chai spices, which I add to cold water, bring to the boil and simmer for a couple of minutes.
Great work as usual, Nick. You're a natural teacher. One question: if you collect AND filter AND boil in a steel Nalgene bottle, do you consider the boiling to have cleaned the bottle ok to drink straight from? That's one vessel doing it all. I imagine the boiling water would kill everything and make it clean as a drinking vessel. Maybe I'm not seeing something ...? Keep up the great work! Ian (Dublin, Ireland)
That's the Millbank bag and a Stanley Adventure mug on the ever growing Santa's list 😂 A big part of my outdoors enjoyment is the reduced pace at which things are done and looking around in wonder about who was here, what did they do and the such. So it's great to see someone else doing the same and getting as much enjoyment. Thanks again for superb, well explained, outdoors tips. Keep up the great work.
I agree , I can never understand you tube presenters timing how long various stoves boil a cup of water the quickest , I will stick with my slow boil Trangia and enjoy the moment!
I heard "2 minutes" at the boil. If I spend 10 minutes filtering, what's another 2 minutes?! I've heard this figure from a few sources. Maybe they're just covering their ass by saying it?
@@hiddenvalleybushcraft5683 I don't know where they get their figures, nor do I remember specifically which channel(s) I saw it on. Perhaps they, as I said, are just covering their ass by saying 2 minutes. As for filter life, I have a sawyer and a grayl and both state how many litres they are good for, but who the hell keeps track of that? 😆 Not me. So I'll stick with your boiling to be sure method.
The boiling time depends on the altitude. Here in the alps we count 1 min per 1000 meters. That is because water boils at lower temperature the higher you go...
That's what I was taught, too, and I'm in the States lol.
I have to admit I'd like to see more of the cave too. It's pretty curious.
@@hiddenvalleybushcraft5683 it's a sign! 😄
Off topic, but I don't think anyone, ever, has had a cooler name than Isambard Kingdom Brunel. The man is an absolute legend.
@@hiddenvalleybushcraft5683 ‘The Wreckess Engineer’.😉
I totally agree! What an EPIC name. It just sounds awesome 😎
It only can be compared to Jethro Tull
Keeping it real even after the accidental spill. That’s what makes your videos really good learning tools. You’re not doing textbook situations and continue on when something goes fubar moving forward…..
Still watching and learning. Hope you are doing well, Nick
Thanks for the video, really enjoyed it. As a followup for anyone wanting to go down the water rabbit hole, the channel Gear Skeptic has an extensive, really good, series on backcountry water disinfection/purification options. One of my favorite tips was to use a WAPI device to tell you when the water you're heating has been purified, saving time and fuel.
Superb Video. When I end up running 100 mile Ultra Marathons in the Mountains of the world, the lessons you taught me in this video will prove to be priceless. thank you Soooo much for sharing this and explaining everything in such a methodical way. I'll check out the life straw too
Like the hot water bottle trick and i have a large thermis only £12 from BnM that keeps hot for 4 hr, warm for 2 more and the pressure button style seal is great for releasing gass pressure from hot liqids without loosing liqid or spraying hot liqid in your face.
Hi ! Thank you so much for this super video!
I bought a life straw bottle and i think its a great idea after i saw your video to get a millbank bag in case of failure of my bottle
I dont wanna get stuck haha
Yess the cave video plz 😊
Nice video. And with actual info regarding the purification👍🏻
The cave? Yes please. (Only if it's safe though)
I have drank from streams with no problems just as is.
Thank you for a very interesting and informative video.
I was feeling your pain when the can went over .
Great to see the humble Millbank getting airtime.
Keep up the great work your doing and hope to see more like this.
Yes I wouldlike to see the cave adventure
Thanks Nick, I've learned so much from watching your videos! ❤️
Definitely want to see you go into the cave.
Nice info about water clearification
Absolutely love his vids...
Just brought my millbank bag 👍 could really come in useful soon.
Another awesome video, not only great content and instruction but extra tip with the hot water bottle 👍 cant wait for when joe public can join you on one of your courses next year, fingers crossed 🤞
Thanks guysl
Nice surroundings you have around you, where i am its agricultural land mostly and full of chems. how do you deal with more nefarious water sources? still ponds and the like? be interesting to know.
Forgot your rope to get own the hill. Double it around a tree for support get down pull it down. As far as the cave only with a buddy. CDC boil for 1 minute even Salmonella to kill and purify.
Thanks for informative video.. be safe always, God bless..
amazing.love the videos mate.explore the cave 100%
Nice one, thanks again Nick 👍🏼👌🏼
well another great video man thanks oh yeah please explore the cave 😌
you said there you plan to do a video at some point focused on the pendulous sedge, i'd be very interested in that. i know the seeds are edible and ergot free, though no doubt a massive hassle. i also assume some form of cordage can be made from it too, but i'd like to see what you have to say about it. great videos man, thanks.
Any chance you can cover more stagnant water. Would you deal with that the same way and filter it more ?
All my life I've been drinking directly from springs, never a problem. I think the filtering and boiling in OTT myself
Well done for sharing your crow mistake. Always be aware of where your feet are was a bit of knowledge I remember my troop sergeant giving me
If it is coming from a natural spring straight out of the ground, why does it need to be filtered and purified? I thought it would be drinkable as is, no?
Yes please to the cave
Over night video in the cave!!! 👍
We could never carry enough water on patrol or operations in Angola
Carried chlorine tabs with us
boiling water IS NOT just boiling water. how long can you survive at a lethally high or low temperature? heat sterilisation always has a time component, weather thats mushroom substrate, chicken pie, or scientific equipment.
How far does that cave go?
Cave
Accidentally tipping your water made me cry deep inside. 😭😆
Do it we chicken out,lol
Absolutely cave investigation!! Maybe even an overnighter
Oh yea wouldn’t mind seeing more of that cave or mine entrance could be a silver mine maybe? We’ve quite a lot of those in the ochil hills near us.
a camp out in the cave would also be good
Totally agree
@@hiddenvalleybushcraft5683i know where you can do that
@@hiddenvalleybushcraft5683 i up for that
@@hiddenvalleybushcraft5683 Is that cave is in the South, near Bristol?
Another method for transferring water is through capillary action. So for example, imagine you dug a hole down to the water level. The water is muddy brown. You then take a strip of absorbent material, wet it, dunk one end in the hole and the other into a container. Capillary action will then slowly draw the water up the strip of material into the container. The action will also remove the dirt from the water. True it can be a slow process but I have used it to draw gallons of water overnight from a flat roof on an previous property.
A roll of lamp wick is great for this method, just don't leave yourself wickless lol.
The point of boiling water for 5-10 minutes is that some bacteria, Salmonella for example, can resist a brief boil. Also if the toxin produced by Clostridium Botulinum is present, it takes time to be de-natured by heat, even though the bacteria itself gets killed much easier.
Can you provide a source for those claims?
@@Matt_Alaric Rather than give a single "source for those claims", which are based on pretty rudimentary school-level biology, search for "denature botulism toxin" and "kill salmonella". You'll get plenty of sources.
@@xreftx So that's a long winded way of saying you don't have a source.
@@Matt_Alaric No it' was intended as a polite way of saying "Don't be so lazy, a simple search of the internet will give you multiple sources (not just the ones that I may favour). Don't expect me to do the work for you." If you have evidence that what I said was incorrect, then why don't you offer it up?
@@xreftx The onus is always on the person making the claim. Always. It's called "the burden of proof".
Or to put it even more simply - Hitchen's razor: that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
I remember Puritabs from when I used to go camping about 40 years ago (when I wanted to be Rambo) 😂
Being Rambo is a commentary on our current lives As you know,. the movie an script where written to reflect society. For example , when sheriff Teasle said ' people start fucking around with the law and all hell breaks loose"...Alot of guys wanna be Rambo 😎🇺🇸
Having lived homeless for around 18 months in the past, in the UK, this was slightly useful. I think?? I just find an unguarded tap and use that. Take a 5ltr container and you are good for a couple of days. I've gone out at 4am just to get as much water as I can carry; a rucksack full of it (In containers, obviously).
You don't need to source and process water in places where you are uphill from habitation in remote areas. You make sure there is nothing dead upstream, find a fast flowing part and drink it. Rural... Find a tap. There's always a tap. Even, as a now non homeless person I look for taps I could access. It doesn't leave you. I'll probably do it until I die. There's a tap you could use. I could give you three water points within a 15 minute walk.
Glad you're OK now, Brother!!
Jesus Really Does SAVE!! Bye, Friend...
Yes, Nick we would love to see you explore that cave! Realy nice video.
I'm in the Netherlands, where I live land is realy flat. We have loads of almost or fully stegnant water in drainage ditches and fens. Even if we have flowing water there is a lot of intensive farming around with all the pestisides and other chemicals. Do you have any tips for such environments? Ps. Not moving yet, so I mean other options ;)
Thanks!
@@hiddenvalleybushcraft5683 I'm bothered by the idea of using more chemicals to render chemically polluted water potable. I'm not army trained, and did a chemistry 'A' level many moons ago, and probably not up to date with stuff, but adding a chemical tablet would have to react to the chemicals in the water and maybe that would produce other chemicals which aren't necessarily less harmful. It just seems chancy to me. I once drove to Australia from the UK and we had a small pump made by Safari which rendered the most stagnant water delicious and safe, although it couldn't do salt water. We used it a lot and the worst water was a swamp in Southern Iran.
@@hiddenvalleybushcraft5683 puritabs won’t help. They’re chlorine or iodine and just kill microorganisms.
If there’s a risk of chemical contamination really the only option (in the absence of industrial equipment) is probably reverse osmosis or - preferably - distillation.
Similarly (I’m sure you know this but for your other viewers) the Millbank bag won’t filter out microorganisms. They get rid of particulate matter like faeces. As you say, purify after filtration.
Personally I find the Millbank bags a bit bulky - I carry the ends of a pair of heavy Nora Batty stockings* as they work well and are much lighter.
* Fishnets don’t work though :)
who knows what lied in this forest 20 years ago?
"More fun than i intended on having!" Spoken like a true soldier
HI Nick, I thoroughly enjoyed this video, as I have done with your whole series, you have a great presentation style, relaxed and down to earth. As ex British Army, I not so fondly remember the poison tabs too! Collecting water on the go, water recce patrols, reading the ground, the good old days! keep up the good work!
@@hiddenvalleybushcraft5683 you have worked in the army come on you should know the earth is flat and there never was an ice age. water always finds it's way flat and level. i'm sure when you are in the army all the instructions they give you are about aiming straight never do they start asking you to take into account the bullet going over curvature. or any of that other sudo science stuff about curvature and the globe. even when people plan out military strategies or play military board games they take place on a FLAT surface or table, nobody is doing military strategies taking into account of curvature.
Nice show and tell there Nick if you do go look 👀 see in the cave use and bring a battle buddy be safe
👍👌✌️🇺🇸
There you go 👍😀will keep and 👁 for the 🎥
Boiling is the way my father thought my ...he was s POW at the Birma railway and that's the way he purified their water ...he lived till Nov 2011 🤗
Good simple to grasp informative stuff! Thanks!
Here's an extra option available - If you want to cool your water quicker, and you have the time, you can put the container in the stream for a while (providing it isn't a vac flask).
I like your video,and you look like a guy with a lot of experience. I was wondering,
where you can buy those millbank bags ? or are there other things that work as
well, like coffee filters, or paper towels, which I read, that can also work, but I'm
not sure ? A quick reply would be appreciated. Thanks from Canada :) - new sub.
Note : this is just for filtering I'm talking about, you'd always have to boil the water
after, to kill bacteria etc.
Yes! All important for any survival or backcountry excursions. Thank you Nick. Keep these edu-tainment videos coming, mate. I truly appreciate your service, experience and your knowledge. If ever I get over to the UK, I promise to look you up.
What a proper chilled and decent video pal ! You should definitely explore that cave that you found that would be epic 🤘🏻 me and the Mrs are going to be tapping some silver birch soon and getting some of that sweet juice 🥤 🥤
The Decent and Decent 2 are must watch before going into the cave. Told some caver from a students union club to watch the film as it had some much great caving in it, left out the occupants
@@cjssurf lol
Omg I'm so happy you made this video and that I found it lol
I've been debating what to get for my water system and I can't believe these bags aren't common knowledge (to me anyway)
Your metal cup looks very dirty. Shouldn't you have cleaned it first?
Actually no. Life Straws, sawyers etc, simply reduce in flow rate when they are getting near end of life. They don't suddenly allow bacteria through the membrane. They just get clogged.
I saw someone in India using that on a show years and years ago....
@Ian Well with the hollow fibre ones at least, there is the potential for damage and possibly letting harmful stuff through. This only applies of course AFTER the filter has been used. If it's new no damage will occur. As far as I know though nobody has actually tested the claim that freezing damages them. Would be interesting to test it...🤔
Thanks for very insightful video! One thing though. I wouldn't dismiss "5 min or more of boiling" advice right away. Some bacteria or viruses indeed take that long of boiling at 100 deg to be destroyed (and some survive even that). Thus for suspicious water sources I'd really boil for as long as realistically possible. Besides, you don't loose that much water if you have a lead.
Be safe and please keep up spreading your wisdom! :D
@@hiddenvalleybushcraft5683 sorry for repeating a common adage -- I couldn't make myself read through the whole hundred of comments! 😅
Yes go explore the cave....my anxiety levels haven't spiked today yet 😳
I think I would have been comfortable drinking directly from the source. I drank several times from springs and I never had any trouble.
I think I would still boil at least
@@alanwright4120 Well, for the filtering, a few hundred million of years of sand and what I don't even know of, of filtering through. I can't beat that, for sure! And second, what kind of bacteria (that is bad for me) would make it through that process. I can't imagine one. Fresh spring water, is the best, I'll ever get. I'm pretty certain, about that.
@@alfonsmuller2318 FairPlay bro I have bad kidneys so I don’t get much a chance to get it wrong
@@alanwright4120 I am healthy, so I'm lucky. I don't want to tell you what to do!
If in doubt, be safe! Always!
@@alanwright4120 be safe my friend. I hope you get better!
These days I usually carry one 1 litre stainless steel and one 1 litre Nalgene wide mouth plastic bottle (old school 58 pattern guy lol) when I go out. The Nalgene is my collector bottle, (yes I mixed up my water bottles in the past) makes it easier to be picking up water on the move for filtering later. I do have a mill bank bag (3-4 years ago) but I’m glad I never got around to using it yet because the how to book (idiot guide) did not say about 2-3 filters, NO squeezing, OUR pull inside out for UVA drying. Love your videos, I’m trying to pass them around to a small group of like minded folks in my part of the world into the same things. I do give them a caviate about some of the things you say that I understand (Scottish & ex-military) that they as civilians might not understand and that might require me verbally interacting with them prior to them using the information.
I spent around 6 weeks back in the 80's utilising a cave, a folly built castle and old stone built structures in north wales. I set 30 foot long lines on the beach, hunted small game such as rabbit and squirrel, utilised local flora and every by catch I sold to local chefs.
Could just imagine a life like that 👍
We want you to camp in the cave for a few days.
As always I really enjoyed your video and the quality of the knowledge you share with us. Also I would most definitely like to see the cave exploration in more detail as well.
As someone from North-Norway I am so used to just drink the water straight out of the source. I guess this good knowledge to have now that i have moved..
I'm from Australia (Tasmania) and it's the same for me. I've never boiled water before drinking it straight from the river, however, I understand that human activity in much of the northern hemisphere (except Scandinavia) has completely ruined the quality/safety of the water...
Ive learnt so much from you and i thank you for making AMAZING content
How would you go about finding water in a Urban setting? Like my small town, there's no streams like that, and defo no springs, but we do have a river going thru town, clear ish in summer and murky in winter, if things got really bad, could I filter and boil up my town river water to drink? For a survival matter, if I had no other choice and hadn't had a drink for 2 to 3 days, because the way things are at the moment I can see that situation becoming reality.
you have to go look on the cave if you haven't been it before
Nice.
But it makes no difference if you filter the water once or even four times through the bag.
Since all the "nasties" that did get filtered out the first time will get in contact with the water again.
Could only be avoided by using a new bag every time or cleaning the inside again every time (which may not really be a reasonable option). Btw. a paper coffee filter also works fine.
The WHO agrees with you. Their guidance is to reach a full rolling boil not to hold it for any amount of time. By the time you reach 100C you’re already past temperature and time marks to make it safe. At altitude where water boils at a lower temperature and will be. On top of Everest where the boiling point is 68C you’d need to boil water for about 20 minutes because it will never hit 100C.
Get in those caves big man. I love exploring caves myself
Hello good sir, what kind of grain/micron do you recommend. Im new into this whole bushcraft thingy but complete in love. Or do you have a recommended one to buy.
With kind regards.
Glenn R
What would you do in combat situation ??. You don’t wanna be spilling your water in the desert mate.. i’d love to have a butchers in your cave..oh Matron !!..
Need a game to film... Two teams go hide in an area and take a pic of other teams camp spot to win? Idk quick thought base on that American cowboy tracking show.
Some crap hat rivalry or something 🤔
It would be great to get such a Millbank Bag. But in Germany I didn’t find a original UK Mil one. Do you know a seller to get a original one? Would be awesome. king regards
There are wild garlic everywhere, where you collect the raw mineral water, where you filter the water, and where you boil the water. Wild garlic is edible and in fact delicious!
I use a filter intended for tea to remove visable particles from water before I boil it. If the water looks clean I just go straight to boiling. Would you say that it's necessary to filtrate water before boiling even if it looks clean like that spring water that you found? After watching this I feel like I should consider getting a different filter. Thank you for yet another great video!
@@hiddenvalleybushcraft5683 thats true of course, but boiling it will kill off all the nasties, yes filter if the water turbidity is an issue but Kristian is right and the method used is sound. IMHO of course! Stay safe Royal, regards from deepest Dorset
Yes the idea of filtering is basically to remove dirt that bacteria can survive in protected from the boiling.
It's interesting that the vast majority of us grew up drinking straight from brooks and streams and we all survived, it's only adults who seem to get sick.
Subscribed, looking forward too watch some more of your content when it's not so late 👍
Thanks but I simply drink like the animals for the last seventy years over most rural areas of north America 🤔💧🌧️
It's spring water. Just drink it, or, alternatively. Stick a dirty cloth bag in it, and then boil it.
Excellent Nick....you’ve a new subscriber here fella👍
I'm about as old school has it gets, I regularly just get it out the river lea, put it though one of the old mother in law's bra's and do a brew, What don't kill ya, makes ya stronger. 👍
If you turn you filter bag inside out and place your water bottle in it hanging from the outside of your person you will A.dry and bleach your bag with uv rays nd B the water evaporating off the bag will cool your water down quicker and yes if I was desperate and hadn't had water for a day or two I would drink straight from the spring or use a life straw while collecting water for purifying
exposing something to 100-degree heat for 5 minutes vs 3s is more likely to kill it. it might not get any hotter but it's not like you instantly boil alive and die if you're dropped into boiling water, it takes a bit of time
We have water spouts in our town. The water comes from our hills but it's often contaminated and the spouts are closed.
We had a dead sheep almost at the source and it took the council several weeks to remove the bloated by then sheep.
No one inspects all the way to the source.
Please be very careful, everyone.
What was the point of walking all that way to find a purer source if you're gonna filter and purify it anyway????? 🤔
Yes go explore the cave....my anxiety levels haven't spikes today yet 😳
When I’m out in the wild I like to make a brew with black tea and chai spices, which I add to cold water, bring to the boil and simmer for a couple of minutes.
Never pour water like this to your container. You can burn your hands!
the water from the spring is the most pure and clean water in the world you dont have to pure it from the spring its already cleanest water
Great work as usual, Nick. You're a natural teacher. One question: if you collect AND filter AND boil in a steel Nalgene bottle, do you consider the boiling to have cleaned the bottle ok to drink straight from? That's one vessel doing it all. I imagine the boiling water would kill everything and make it clean as a drinking vessel. Maybe I'm not seeing something ...? Keep up the great work! Ian (Dublin, Ireland)
I didn't quite understand - Boiling it without first filtering it would mean I still run the risk of getting ill?
This isn't bare survival without cups or waterfilters tho
They've already sold out on amazon 😔.. Any alternative?
i jus got one them stoves without the plastic case wer can i get one? and how much is a millbank bag ? gd vid
Thanks for the info mate.
I've recently discovered your channel and have very much been enjoying your well made and informative videos.
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Good work.
I learned so much from your videos. Thank you
That's the Millbank bag and a Stanley Adventure mug on the ever growing Santa's list 😂
A big part of my outdoors enjoyment is the reduced pace at which things are done and looking around in wonder about who was here, what did they do and the such. So it's great to see someone else doing the same and getting as much enjoyment.
Thanks again for superb, well explained, outdoors tips. Keep up the great work.
I agree , I can never understand you tube presenters timing how long various stoves boil a cup of water the quickest , I will stick with my slow boil Trangia and enjoy the moment!
Im not sure about pouring it twice? Good video Thank you
I heard "2 minutes" at the boil. If I spend 10 minutes filtering, what's another 2 minutes?! I've heard this figure from a few sources. Maybe they're just covering their ass by saying it?
@@hiddenvalleybushcraft5683 I don't know where they get their figures, nor do I remember specifically which channel(s) I saw it on. Perhaps they, as I said, are just covering their ass by saying 2 minutes.
As for filter life, I have a sawyer and a grayl and both state how many litres they are good for, but who the hell keeps track of that? 😆 Not me. So I'll stick with your boiling to be sure method.