I view teaching leg locks to white belts the same way I view gun safety: teach them early, teach them to respect it, teach them how dangerous they can be if handled irresponsibly. Haven't had any issues in the gym with leg locks causing injuries.
Agreed. Don't let your ego get in the way of tapping. And also don't let your ego get in the way of releasing a submission if your training partner is endangering themselves.
there were time when guys were like "why did you let go you had the postion, i would of tapped if you held on longer" like bro if i had it you should just tap.im not gona wait till you pass out. i made some one pass out when i was still a white belt from this scenerio smh. im glad i learned from it atleast
Us white belts appreciate you teaching and going over it! The more familiar we are with these potentially dangerous moves we’re far more careful. Our gym teaches and practices them often at all levels!
Most impressive thing in this video is hearing you say that you , as a coach, is responsible that you didnt teach your student enough to deal with leg locks. Fantastic ownership there Chewy👍🙏 That is some crucial thing that a lot of coaches are lacking in. Huge respect
I’m from a pretty hard core leg locking gym, injuries are very very rare. They’re taught from white belt. The biggie for me is that your partners safety is always #1, if you’ve got the move right, the position right, then the finish is pretty much inevitable, no need to go crazy on it, and also doing it controlled gives less experienced partners a bit of confidence and a way to look at how they can be defended properly, and of course understand when the position is lost and its time to just say hello to Mr Tap. We get some high level guys from non leglock gyms visiting and they can go into a real panic when you even look at their legs, and its time for a quick conversation about, don’t worry, we don’t let idiots into our gym, and the leglocks will be carefully and respectfully applied, so they get a chance to learn a bit about them and chill out a bit. And our coach / senior grades quickly sort out the rare guy who’s an idiot and unsafe/ Thanks for the video chat about this, good subject to chat about and dig into.
I appreciate as a white belt that I was shown/taught leg locks/heel hooks to know what they are, what they feel like, so you know what you're NOT to go for until blue belt with other blue belts, and to know by feel if you're in one to immediately recognize it and tap, also knowing the risks of trying an escape rather than tap. Also, from a self-defense perspective "here's how to quickly break the leg/ankle of an attacker to get away."
I teach my kids how to safely handle firearms. I started when they were as young as 2-3 years old. They know the difference between various long and short guns, actions, and what to do if they're ever somewhere and find a gun laying around. They're not curious about guns, as they're just another tool around the house--though my oldest does occasionally ask to go shooting a bow or air rifle. Education is the key to demystifying and preventing unintended consequences.
I learned heel hooks as a white belt. I've trained in the Blue Basement in NYC (as a visitor) as a white belt and blue belt, and I've been heel hooked in competition without getting hurt from them. I definitely recommend learning and respecting leg locks as a beginner!
I like working legs with older colored belts, purple and higher. Being older myself, they can slow it down, control themselves and the submission. They also help me with getting the details of the technique, rather than rep it wrong.
Agreed. We teach leg locks to white belts. During live rolling no white belt vs white belt leglocks. White belts can throw them live on blue belts and up at the school where I train
I've rolled with a leg lock specialist, and it takes a split second to apply, so the guy told me how fast real leg lock guys can submit you. This was my guideline so when I train leg locks if it takes too long, I release and try knee bars, then ankle locks, then leg lock, rinse and repeat, and in the end if my partner is too good, I sit, up, pass his guard.
As an out of shape and overweight white belt that just started in April, I appreciate the videos and the ability to go back into your library. Anything you can recommend to a guy who's going to be 41 without a grappling background?
you should learn all submissions pretty much- except neck cranks. don't do too many neck cranks- most folks have lives outside of bjj and really do not need serious compounding inhibiting injuries especially spinal injuries ruining their family life or careers etc. There are so many ways to actually stay safe - by teaching, practicing & learning what the finishing mechanics are, and what the control mechanics & principles are. you can slowly introduce complexity and variability aka resistance as the student gains competence and skill.
My coach allows straight ankle locks and knee bars during sparring for any belt. Wish we could do heel hooks, but whatever I kinda get it. I also think it’s the same as any other submission in a way.
What about nutrition hydration hygiene, and sleep. These all can effect the joints and extremity, also proper warm ups that activate the central nervous system for the act or Newaza and Randori. What are you thoughts in preventing major injuries. The benefits are much higher and superseded the the risk for injury, as least for me because I make it a point to get hydration, nutrition, sleep and proper warm up. Even if I choose to compete at advanced level, even choose to "control my physical weight," I know the proper method and timing. Master, what do you thing Master Chew?
Teaching new practitioners leg locks, heal hooks, toe hold, etc, exposes them to something that they will run into later down the road. It is better for them to be familiar with these and no the proper escapes, and techniques to apply them is just a good idea. In my gym, pretty much everything is legal when you roll; having said that, lower belts, need to also be aware that these techniques are potentially dangerous and need to be addressed with care on both performing and defending them. You would be doing your students a great disservice, and putting them behind the power curve to not familiarize them with these things until they get to the upper belts when they haven't had time to practice or experience them and then have them done to them during a roll potentially injuring someone. Just my two cents, cheers.
I hope physical therapy works out for you, and you can avoid surgery. I've seen too many people get orthoscopic surgery and end up no better than they were in the first place.
If you do BJJ for any length of time you will get injured with some injuries lasting a life time. And leg locks are one of them; along with separated shoulders, hyper-extended elbows, neck and spine injuries that never go away. And for what? Paying $150-200 a month to get injured so this guy can make money off of you. You're health is your wealth.
I view teaching leg locks to white belts the same way I view gun safety: teach them early, teach them to respect it, teach them how dangerous they can be if handled irresponsibly.
Haven't had any issues in the gym with leg locks causing injuries.
Agreed. Don't let your ego get in the way of tapping. And also don't let your ego get in the way of releasing a submission if your training partner is endangering themselves.
there were time when guys were like "why did you let go you had the postion, i would of tapped if you held on longer" like bro if i had it you should just tap.im not gona wait till you pass out. i made some one pass out when i was still a white belt from this scenerio smh. im glad i learned from it atleast
Us white belts appreciate you teaching and going over it! The more familiar we are with these potentially dangerous moves we’re far more careful. Our gym teaches and practices them often at all levels!
Most impressive thing in this video is hearing you say that you , as a coach, is responsible that you didnt teach your student enough to deal with leg locks. Fantastic ownership there Chewy👍🙏 That is some crucial thing that a lot of coaches are lacking in. Huge respect
Never thought of training bjj until I watched your videos. Two years of training later and I’m hooked! Thank you chewy❤
Glad to hear it you're enjoying it and that I could help give you the nudge to get on the mats.
The gym I go to loves leglocks, and our professor always always always teaches defense first and how to know what to NOT do.
They taught me a heel hook in my first no gi class😂
I’m from a pretty hard core leg locking gym, injuries are very very rare. They’re taught from white belt. The biggie for me is that your partners safety is always #1, if you’ve got the move right, the position right, then the finish is pretty much inevitable, no need to go crazy on it, and also doing it controlled gives less experienced partners a bit of confidence and a way to look at how they can be defended properly, and of course understand when the position is lost and its time to just say hello to Mr Tap. We get some high level guys from non leglock gyms visiting and they can go into a real panic when you even look at their legs, and its time for a quick conversation about, don’t worry, we don’t let idiots into our gym, and the leglocks will be carefully and respectfully applied, so they get a chance to learn a bit about them and chill out a bit. And our coach / senior grades quickly sort out the rare guy who’s an idiot and unsafe/ Thanks for the video chat about this, good subject to chat about and dig into.
Teaching awareness is key. Toes in armpit, heel in the elbow, tap. Many other submissions you have some play
Catch, make eye contact, and release
I appreciate as a white belt that I was shown/taught leg locks/heel hooks to know what they are, what they feel like, so you know what you're NOT to go for until blue belt with other blue belts, and to know by feel if you're in one to immediately recognize it and tap, also knowing the risks of trying an escape rather than tap.
Also, from a self-defense perspective "here's how to quickly break the leg/ankle of an attacker to get away."
I teach my kids how to safely handle firearms. I started when they were as young as 2-3 years old. They know the difference between various long and short guns, actions, and what to do if they're ever somewhere and find a gun laying around. They're not curious about guns, as they're just another tool around the house--though my oldest does occasionally ask to go shooting a bow or air rifle. Education is the key to demystifying and preventing unintended consequences.
I learned heel hooks as a white belt. I've trained in the Blue Basement in NYC (as a visitor) as a white belt and blue belt, and I've been heel hooked in competition without getting hurt from them. I definitely recommend learning and respecting leg locks as a beginner!
The Blue Basement was in Torrance, California, not NYC.
@@micaylapresley well, that was what everyone called it then. That’s also what pops up when I google “Blue Basement BJJ” 🤷♂️
I like working legs with older colored belts, purple and higher. Being older myself, they can slow it down, control themselves and the submission. They also help me with getting the details of the technique, rather than rep it wrong.
Agreed. We teach leg locks to white belts. During live rolling no white belt vs white belt leglocks. White belts can throw them live on blue belts and up at the school where I train
I've rolled with a leg lock specialist, and it takes a split second to apply, so the guy told me how fast real leg lock guys can submit you.
This was my guideline so when I train leg locks if it takes too long, I release and try knee bars, then ankle locks, then leg lock, rinse and repeat, and in the end if my partner is too good, I sit, up, pass his guard.
As an out of shape and overweight white belt that just started in April, I appreciate the videos and the ability to go back into your library. Anything you can recommend to a guy who's going to be 41 without a grappling background?
we learned 2 leg locks as white belts. and Im conscious enough to know to apply them as slow as possible even if it means losing the position
you should learn all submissions pretty much- except neck cranks. don't do too many neck cranks- most folks have lives outside of bjj and really do not need serious compounding inhibiting injuries especially spinal injuries ruining their family life or careers etc.
There are so many ways to actually stay safe - by teaching, practicing & learning what the finishing mechanics are, and what the control mechanics & principles are. you can slowly introduce complexity and variability aka resistance as the student gains competence and skill.
My coach allows straight ankle locks and knee bars during sparring for any belt. Wish we could do heel hooks, but whatever I kinda get it. I also think it’s the same as any other submission in a way.
Hyper extended my elbow once (surfing) it has been a pain for 30 years. Tap early tap often.
5:30 ish. Yea for real. If you're caught, just tap. Better to reset than have a setback
What about nutrition hydration hygiene, and sleep. These all can effect the joints and extremity, also proper warm ups that activate the central nervous system for the act or Newaza and Randori. What are you thoughts in preventing major injuries. The benefits are much higher and superseded the the risk for injury, as least for me because I make it a point to get hydration, nutrition, sleep and proper warm up. Even if I choose to compete at advanced level, even choose to "control my physical weight," I know the proper method and timing. Master, what do you thing Master Chew?
Our white belts (me) don't get heel hooks until "green"
Teaching new practitioners leg locks, heal hooks, toe hold, etc, exposes them to something that they will run into later down the road. It is better for them to be familiar with these and no the proper escapes, and techniques to apply them is just a good idea. In my gym, pretty much everything is legal when you roll; having said that, lower belts, need to also be aware that these techniques are potentially dangerous and need to be addressed with care on both performing and defending them. You would be doing your students a great disservice, and putting them behind the power curve to not familiarize them with these things until they get to the upper belts when they haven't had time to practice or experience them and then have them done to them during a roll potentially injuring someone. Just my two cents, cheers.
A related question: do you teach leg locks in the gi? (Other than the straight ankle lock)
Yeah. I just don't teach heel hooks in gi for competition reasons and to avoid any issues that could pop up at other gyms.
Just got my MCL + meniscus torn. Didn't see it coming at all. :(
I hope physical therapy works out for you, and you can avoid surgery. I've seen too many people get orthoscopic surgery and end up no better than they were in the first place.
had a friend roll the wrong way and a knee popped off, 1 month in bjj. didnt know he caught himself in a heel hook. true story.
It's like drugs, whether they're allowed or not people are gonna do them. Might as well inform people about them.
3 stripe blue and above is smart. People have learned control by them
i heel hook everyone as a white belt so these blue belts know i speak and understand their language
Lucky it was your ankle.
You're telling me!
If you do BJJ for any length of time you will get injured with some injuries lasting a life time. And leg locks are one of them; along with separated shoulders, hyper-extended elbows, neck and spine injuries that never go away. And for what? Paying $150-200 a month to get injured so this guy can make money off of you. You're health is your wealth.