When I was 24 years old I bought a Citroen GS from Nice in South of France and I drove it to Tehran then I find out Citroen is completely different and very innovative and superior therefore I wish I wish to do it again to renew my beautiful memories before I pass away...
I will be driving from Ireland and through Iran hopefully next year, in a Citroen.. though it’s a Citroen C4 and does not have the magic suspension but it’s still very comfortable
I had a C6 and I have to say that it is one of the most impressive cars ever. The ride comfort is unbeaten and I believe that you memories remain for a lifetime, so for me. It is the best story ever, to drive from South France to Tehran with this car and shows that this car is a real partner in all situations. Thank you for sharing your memories 🙏
As the owner of a C6, I can assure you there is a significant difference between the Hydractive III suspension specifications on the C5 and C6. The C6 ride is more limousine-like than the C5. As Jonathan Price points out below, it's like comparing an E Class with and S Class - different cars for different purposes. Phillip Moran's below comments describe a C5 with seriously faulty suspension, the obvious clue being the 'leaking shocks' he describes. Hydractive III Citroens do not have 'shocks'; they have robust spheres that have service intervals of five years. With all Hydractive or earlier Hydro-pneumatic Citroens, if a sphere loses too much pressure or ruptures, the driver becomes aware as the ride immediately stiffens and feels quite harsh. You wouldn't drive a conventional car with leaking shock absorbers and expect a compliant, comfortable, or safe, ride so why would you expect more of a Citroen? Having experienced 5 Hydraulic Citroens over 35 years, none have ever developed leaks in the high pressure Hydraulic pumps or lines. I've only ever replaced one sphere, which hardly amounts to the description of a system that is too 'complex or expensive', unless of course you believe your cars should require no maintenance and you resent spending anything on them at all. My current C6 has travelled 120,000 kms without any trouble. It is solid, well sorted, performs strongly, and is extremely fuel efficient for a beast that weighs close to 2 tonnes. Perhaps Philip Moran's C5 has had an extremely hard life, been mistreated, or poorly serviced? Having owned a wide range of Japanese, German, and British cars (a few BMWs, SAABs and Mercedes Benzs included) I can honestly say that Citroens seem to suffer no greater a number of faults than their competitors and, as I said above, I've only ever replaced one sphere. Everything wears out eventually so to expect to not have to replace spheres on a Citroen at some stage is simply unrealistic. I've just replaced the shock absorbers on my E Class Mercedes at 155,000 kms but I'm not about to claim that this proves conventional suspension is a failure. It's just different. To understand a Citroen, you must drive a Citroen - and not just around the block. The capabilities of Hydractive suspension are simply world-beating, but they are only fully revealed after driving a Citroen through rough country roads, smooth highways and around cities. Then, the full range of the system's abilities are revealed.
@103498170839624310804 At the risk of stating the obvious, this is a discussion about hydraulic suspension, not conventional suspension. I'm very sorry for you that your suspension has 'sunk' on your 8 year old C4. Perhaps replace the shocks?
Well the fact is that when the legendary DS was presented back in 1955 it took 10 years before RR used it and has continued using it under licence. There were many manufacturers that tried to copy that suspension but none reaches it. Citroen`s is still the best!
@@krisg822 Sorry but it was Citroën who invented the self leveling hydroneumatic suspension as well as many other stuff like self returning steering or the hydroneumatic assisted brakes, Rolls-Royce, Mercedes and others licensed some of this technologies from Citroen, not the other way around. Remember the Citroen DS was presented in 1954...
Both the C5 and C6 have sport settings to the suspension which make it a lot harder and help with cornering etc. The suspension on the C5 does not compare to that on the C6. It's like comparing an E class Merc to an S class.
Valid point if we talk about 1st generation C5. th-cam.com/video/kGVHYN6QN3Q/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/t1uT7Jy4zYQ/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/-_j8_adgl2M/w-d-xo.html But the 2nd generation (well atleast more equipt versions with bigger and more powerfull engines) has identical suspension to the C6. th-cam.com/video/O5_tCTJX05I/w-d-xo.html
My parents had a CX and it was superb. Hope Citroen will bring back this unique system in the near future. Their design and level of luxury are second to none. Wonderful piece of engineering!
Sorry for my bad English. Since 2004, I'm traveling with a Citroen. Twice a Citroen C5 Exclusive. From 2010 I drive a Citroen C6. In all the years I had no damage to these vehicles. Citroen is the best you can what happened. Quality and comfort.
I have my c6 now for 4 years... and yes it drives really good BUT i also had already some repairs to do! I spend around 1800 € on repairs and maintenance during these years what is, I think, still allright. It is something special and it is just stupid to compare it to, for example, an E class. The E class has got a suspension that is at least 30 years old technologie so it is quite logic that it isn't as refined but therefor maybe a bit more reliable. Big citroen buyers are kind of special people... maybe we are a little crazy be we love them!!!! It takes a strong personality to drive these cars!!
I do not know if it is the best suspension in the world, but it is the best suspension I have ever experienced. By far. And although its softness the car is never "swimming". Since I own a C6 i am constantly checking the market to buy another one.
My father owned a Xanthia 1.6L. from 1996 till end of 2013 and recycled it because he also owned a Porsche Cayenne S 4.5 V8 from 2009 and he thought he wouldn't miss it. Recycling Xanthia was his biggest mistake ever. Still better on road than Porsche 18 years later. I had driven it and Porsche all this years. Way better automobile to travel the 400 km way to the village from Athens.
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I love Citroen for the good combination of special features and affordability. I would love to have an E65, but I can not afford even its fuel. Furthermore, with such a car I never dare to go camping, a scratch would cost as my Picasso, it would never let my drift (ESP and the rest of the electronics) and a set of tyres would cost like my Vulcane. So I have multiple cars for the different purposes and loves them :)
RR did use genuine Citroen suspension in the Silver Shadow and Corniche. VW Patheon are now equipped with a bad kind of Citroen kind a like suspension about 60 years to late. CITROEN "SUPERB CREATIVE TECNOLOGY". I have flown in your cars since the day i was born in 1972 and i will the rest of my life - LOVE YOU CITROEN!
To the ignorant few claiming that the "fancy suspension" will be expensive to repair. You couldn't be more wrong. I'm speaking from years of experience.... rather than speaking out of my arse (like a few of the people on here).
Yes, I found that very funny too! In reality it is very, very cheap and much cheaper even than standard suspension to repair and you donut have to fix it nearly as frequently.
Both my XM's and Xantia had 100 percent reliable suspension. Only minor problem on my present XM was a perished rubber fluid return pipe on the front strut which popped off but that was all. I would rather deal with a suspension sphere on a Citroen than a rusty old coil spring on any other car. A good proportion of my work as a mobile mechanic was replacing broken springs on 'normal cars'. So long as LHM and filters are changed at the correct interval, these cars are fine. Quirky but not scary to work on.
Depends on the Citroen model and year. On Xantias, XM's etc with the green LHM, I would change fluid and clean the filter every two years but certainly more times than Citroen's original guidelines. The C5, C6 etc used different hydraulic fluid and control system with far more electronic components and supposedly a longer service interval. As for spheres - you'll know when they are failing because the ride quality suffers. On the BX, Xantia and XM, the spheres go rock hard and makes the car undrivable. A failing accumulator sphere will force the system to work harder and you'll hear loud regular clicks, groans, hissing every few seconds from the front of the engine where the accumulator and regulator is bolted to.
Never had issues with suspension on the two XM's or the Xantia although the rear spheres can put up a bit of a fight when changing them. Sometimes the Xantia and XM front strut low pressure fluid return pipe can perish but they're easy to replace and should be considered a service item. Yet to find a modern car that can handle like a limo or a GTi with just a flick of a hydractive switch.
Yes I know RR used Citroen Suspension, which is fantastic because even they knew it was great. But since the discontinuation of those models RR has tried to create their own suspension systems to apparently "rival" Citroen's: something they failed at. And just to let you know that there is no such VW model as the "Patheon"? But what I do know is the VW PHAETON uses the same suspension as a Audi A8 which is just regular air suspension. Nothing to do with Citroen Suspension! Nowhere near it!
As a former driver of a Xantia activa V6 and a XM v6 I prefer the new Progressive Hydraulic Cushion system of my C5 Aircross. Le Roi Est Mort, Vive Le Roi
We used to have GS-A, BX, and passanger experience in Xantia back in the late 90`s, drove C5 I. generation, and I drive occasionally my uncle`s C5 Tourer (with sporty front seats). Months ago I also occasionally drove several new C5 Aircrosses and facelifted C4 Cactuses (at Citroen dealership where I worked for a while) both with Progressive Hydraulic Cushions. Just so you know I have some experience in that department. :) Conclusion: Progressive Hydraulic Cushions comes from Rallye world that Citroën once again cleverly modified for comfortable ride - no electronics as you well know (which is cheaper to maintain I suppose if anything goes wrong). Seats are softer than in my uncle`s C5 Tourer because they provide additional cushioning in addition to the suspension. On the negative side - those same seats aren`t designed to hold you as well in corners than those in the C5 II but they were never ment to either. But the real drawback for me is that Progressive Hydraulic Cushions lack sophistication of Hydractive 3+ and all previous generations of that system. and that is sad. I miss something like this: th-cam.com/video/_x7LL73ZsE0/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/UvNGNSKOAEA/w-d-xo.html Even this simply does not compare: th-cam.com/video/vM_SOW2xQ7E/w-d-xo.html
The Citroen Xantia was in -94 the winter test of TM (Teknikan Maailma) as best. Because of the handling of the car. When i was in traffic school, i had citroen Xantia -94. when we went to handling circuit i had my citoen slide and come to control. My istructor said= that's how french car should behave. Thats it
To be precise, the car in the Tekniikan Maailma (FI)/Teknikens Värld (SE) "moose avoidance test" was not any Xantia, but a Xantia Activa, first produced in 1995. In addition to the "normal" Xantia's (and XM's) already great Hydractive 2 suspension, the Activa also had separate hydraulic cylinders attached to the anti-roll bars, which kept the car flat during aggressive cornering. This was the only Citroën ever made with this system. The Activa achieved the highest max speeds in the TM/TV test, beating not only any other mass-produced people-carrier, but also every super sports car that was submitted to the test. I think it still holds the record. Unfortunately, in 2017 the cretins at Stellantis/PSA/Citroën decided that steel springs and drilling a few holes in regular shock absorbers are good enough, so now there's no longer any cars with any hydropneumatic suspension made, and thus no longer any point of buying a Citroën over any other marque.
I will take you reliability comments into account when i go out to start my 20yr old 3ltr v6 xm every morning... I must admit to have a load of engine issues a while ago, all electrical, and all down to a $2 relay, which was not made by citroen......
Yes it use to be used under licence by Mercedes and Rolls Royce, but they no longer use it. They have made their own suspension systems; all air-suspension based. But they still aren't capable of rivalling Citroen's innovation.
Nowindays we dont have Citroens in the U.S. We had it before. An Citroen SM in 1972. And I saw the oldschool DS in the streets somewhere in Arizona las year.
I love it. Astonishing experience of driving this car. Only minus is getting new car. None will be as comfortable as C6. I also have new C4 and it is better than any other golf-class car. In comfort way mostly. I've driven latest Seat Leon and it feels like war machine compared to C4. It is too loud and too hard. And C6 is like melody compared to BMW 5 series(2006, not mine) and VW Passat(2008, not mine either). So, this car is, AWESOME!
The C5 & C6 Corvettes used a single leaf spring that acts only as an anti-roll bar. It's only part of an independent multilink wishbone suspension. There are no other American cars that use leaf springs.
Also your opinion about how they look is all up to personal taste. It won't take they heart of many people, but it takes the heart of people who truly have great taste. It utilizes great historical design cues, and modern aerodynamic lines. It is actually a masterpiece in my eyes and I have 20-20 vision so don't start accusing me of poor visibility.
Hi Samu, I LOVE the car! One can not get a better handling car for less than 40 times its price! The next better handling car would be a Boxster (25 to 50 times the Vulcane price). I do have some problems though, as spare parts in Israel are getting hard to find. In general, it is the best cheap driver's car you can buy.
Having owned many Citroens over many years, a properly maintained LHM fluid hydro pneumatic is very very reliable. change the fluid and filter... Even as a rally car very reliable and much safer than regular suspension. Advantages of self levelling, height adjustable and even changing tyres set it so far above the rest. You are more likely to have an electrical fault.. eg XM No shock absorbers to replace, spheres screw off to replace between 7 and 10 years,
Part2, My total cost of ownership is way lower than ANY Japanese car and I did the statistics back and forth. 2 more facts, Nissan and precise steering are antonyms. I can not sit in any Japanese car for more than 15min unless you install me a customed Recaro / SPA / Sparco :) As for the Citroen, when I retired a 20YO ZX I took out the seats and made them my computer seats to this day:) When I live you do not find many cars past 20YO, due to state regulations.
Thanks pal!!! I will ship it to Belgium, where I have business. I bought a few parts on eBay in the past, but some did not match. I will keep you posted. What car do you drive ?
I am "sorry" to disappoint you, I have 4 citroens for myself and my business. The newest is a C4 which is a shame to the brand. But the 2006 Xsara Picasso is a MARVEL, it is by FAR the best car of its category to this day (by far better than its successor the C4 Picasso bahh). I drive a 1996 2.0L Volcane and it is the best handling car under $K100, and believe me I know, I race Porsches 20+ years ago. I have K220 Km on the car and it is as tight as new, I pay good money for that!
The Silverado is a pickup work truck. Not a car. Trucks use leaf springs because they are able to handle very high loads. (HD Silverados have a load capacity of over 900 kilos). Have you ever seen a dump truck with coil springs? Citroen has a brilliant history of suspension engineering. The original DS is one of the most innovative cars of all time. But the British, Germans, Czechs, Italians, Japanese and Americans have also contributed to automotive innovation. Modern cars are global.
If you type in Wikipedia Self-levelling suspension you also get this: "...In 1966, Rolls-Royce licensed Citroën's hydropneumatic system to fit to the rear axle of the Silver Shadow. At first, both the front and rear of the car were controlled by the leveling system; the front levelling was deleted in 1969 as it had been determined that the rear levelling did almost all the work. Rolls-Royce achieved a high degree of ride quality with this arrangement. ..." For the rest google Rolls Royce. :)
Which citroen is the most comfortable? One fitted with hydractive 3+? Im very curious to drive one, but also slightly worried thinking its suspension will spoil every other car lol
Part4 However, if you survive this via de'la rosa for 10 years and your car becomes 30YO you may claim a special plate for "collectors item". You still suffer rushing the car for 2 technical controls a year but for close to no price (around $35 state fee each) the car's insurance goes for peanuts (10% to 15% of market price). BUT! There is a catch, you better do not make it your daily driver, as a no-driving restrictions on driving at rush hours (0800 - 1000, 1500-1700) is imposed on you.
don't forget the train suspension. really, that's what they use in almost all their cars, even in the "sporty" mustang BTW, multilink suspension was invented in the 50's, 60's. They don't use that yet.
Dream on. This is Citroen`s suspension. Bose made approximation of it but Citroen was the 1st back in the 50`s. This is the 3rd generation and slightly improved - Hydroactive 3+. Get your facts straight and check before you write something you know nothing about.
Indeed. It seems that people are idiots. Instead of buying it cheap from citroen they switched to f*** expensive from mercedes. Thus making citroen to stop producing hydroactive fitted cars at all. I won't even try to understand this ultimate dumbness. Thanks for pointing out Mercedes license.
I had 3 CXs and they were great cars,at the time a lot of people were critical of them but if you ask them if they had owned one or driven one the reply was usually no. With the C6 it may suffer from the same problem,but who cares let them buy their euroboxes which will never be remembered as they lack any soul.
In reply to 2Str0k3: "How many 24 year old french cars do you see on the road still? None." Umm... my 1990 Citroen XM with 300.000 kilometres on the clock still works, in fact, everything works on it! I have seen a lot of 30+ year old Citroen and Peugeot cars on the road for the past 8+ years, I see most of them almost everyday! Just realize that EVERY single car on the road today needs maintenance! The only times your car breaks down is when you don't give a flying fuck about it! (i.e, you don't change the oil, oil filter, coolant, break pads and so on when the respective thing needs to be changed) If the only thing you do to your car is re-fuelling it, your car is going to break down any minute! There is not a single car available today that is maintenance-free! A special message to 2Str0k3: Fuck off you ignorant twat!
i have a 1989 bx 1.9 gti and a 1994 xantia tct both with 200k+ km and they work fine, of course they need some attention time to time but any car with the same age would.
Well Citreon suspension is the best in the world. Ferrari suspension is not electrocuted. It isn't that exclusive either, Cadillac uses it. It only comprises of magnetic particles. And Rolls Royce only uses a form of air-suspension. Citroen has been using this advanced hydro-pneumatic system since the 1930's. That is how far ahead of technology they were.
Unfortunatly, its the hard truth, most of modern french car are a pain to service and repair, older french car like the old AX or Clio did have there drawback but doing some a simple basic maintenance was possible
Part3, The state wants old cars off the road, local regulation makes maintaining a car past 20YO utterly expensive. Penalties include: 2 technical controls a year, sky high insurance, no towing insurance, no-low spare parts availability, parts self-import problems, extra emission test and constant hustle by police inspections. They want the car off the road and they make sure you got the massage.
The mechanical parts in the system has been in use since the 1950's so it's very well tested, and the spheres themselves lasts about 200000km nowadays and costs only from ~40€ per sphere to replace. Compare that to the cost of replacing a broken air cushion, on let's say a Audi A6 Allroad (which does not lost anywhere near as long) and you'll begin to wonder why other manufactures even bother with air suspension instead of hydropneumatic suspension. Especially since they don't even get close to the comfort level.
Wrong! 1 Ive been driving oily Cits for 40 years and never had one damaged. 2 The spheres can be re charged quite cheaply, unlike expensive spring and damper sets. 3. Cit garages charge much less than Range Rover, Rolls or Bently, who use similar systems
Ammm, not always true. In my 4 ZX cars it never been a problem, even with my Vulcane 2.0i were the engine compartment is a little more tight on space. It is not a problem with my current Xsara Picasso. It was like that on the first generation of C5, but on the second generation it is not so. I dare you to try replacing a headlight on a Porsche 914 (retractable headlights) M3 BMW is no picnic and I can find you dozens more examples. I do not buy my car according the the headlights replacing time.
Well things are different here. Insurances are lower for older cars. Tax goes by its wight so they are low on the small cars. The seats are actually comfortable in some cars. In fact i sit on them for about 2 hours a day and i havent complained and my back is fine. We have only 1 "technical control" a year. For 30+ year old museum cars its once every 2 years. Parts are cheap and available new or used. And the cars are easy to fix yourself.
Dear 2Str0k3, I do not see how your comments belong in this discussion & you are intelligent enough to know it. Life expectancy of a cheap small city car is 8 years, you describe a 24YO AX that has not seen a workshop in a decade, got zero maintenance & from the trash you described was declined being purchased by a pig for the dirt. Give this treatment to a Merci / RR or any other car for long enough, won't it look the same? I have seen such an Audi, does it reflect anything on Audi's quality?
This is just unbelievable. Possibly the most underrated car ever made 😮
I need a C6 in my life... It's not only the amazing suspension, it's truly beautiful too.
I’ll never forget the time they had one at my local Citroën dealer. I even got to sit in it, amazing how luxurious it was for its time!
It is not as beautiful as the DS........
This car has a really good suspension system, but the best thing about this car? It does not look like any other car on the road!!!
thats why i love citroen
@@Jan-se9gw same
Looks like Peugeot or a talisman
It looks like a soap box tho
@@m4dc4t lol no
When I was 24 years old I bought a Citroen GS from Nice in South of France and I drove it to Tehran then I find out Citroen is completely different and very innovative and superior therefore I wish I wish to do it again to renew my beautiful memories before I pass away...
I will be driving from Ireland and through Iran hopefully next year, in a Citroen.. though it’s a Citroen C4 and does not have the magic suspension but it’s still very comfortable
You had great experience!
Are you still alive
I had a C6 and I have to say that it is one of the most impressive cars ever. The ride comfort is unbeaten and I believe that you memories remain for a lifetime, so for me. It is the best story ever, to drive from South France to Tehran with this car and shows that this car is a real partner in all situations. Thank you for sharing your memories 🙏
@@andrewstones2921 So? Did you do it? What’s the feedback? 🙂
As the owner of a C6, I can assure you there is a significant difference between the Hydractive III suspension specifications on the C5 and C6. The C6 ride is more limousine-like than the C5.
As Jonathan Price points out below, it's like comparing an E Class with and S Class - different cars for different purposes. Phillip Moran's below comments describe a C5 with seriously faulty suspension, the obvious clue being the 'leaking shocks' he describes.
Hydractive III Citroens do not have 'shocks'; they have robust spheres that have service intervals of five years. With all Hydractive or earlier Hydro-pneumatic Citroens, if a sphere loses too much pressure or ruptures, the driver becomes aware as the ride immediately stiffens and feels quite harsh. You wouldn't drive a conventional car with leaking shock absorbers and expect a compliant, comfortable, or safe, ride so why would you expect more of a Citroen?
Having experienced 5 Hydraulic Citroens over 35 years, none have ever developed leaks in the high pressure Hydraulic pumps or lines. I've only ever replaced one sphere, which hardly amounts to the description of a system that is too 'complex or expensive', unless of course you believe your cars should require no maintenance and you resent spending anything on them at all.
My current C6 has travelled 120,000 kms without any trouble. It is solid, well sorted, performs strongly, and is extremely fuel efficient for a beast that weighs close to 2 tonnes. Perhaps Philip Moran's C5 has had an extremely hard life, been mistreated, or poorly serviced?
Having owned a wide range of Japanese, German, and British cars (a few BMWs, SAABs and Mercedes Benzs included) I can honestly say that Citroens seem to suffer no greater a number of faults than their competitors and, as I said above, I've only ever replaced one sphere.
Everything wears out eventually so to expect to not have to replace spheres on a Citroen at some stage is simply unrealistic. I've just replaced the shock absorbers on my E Class Mercedes at 155,000 kms but I'm not about to claim that this proves conventional suspension is a failure. It's just different.
To understand a Citroen, you must drive a Citroen - and not just around the block. The capabilities of Hydractive suspension are simply world-beating, but they are only fully revealed after driving a Citroen through rough country roads, smooth highways and around cities. Then, the full range of the system's abilities are revealed.
Well said.
i own a C4 Grand Picasso exclusive 2007 and the back has sunk
The MineCartKid With Transformers The C4 has conventional suspension, not hydractive suspension.
I know But the suspension
@103498170839624310804 At the risk of stating the obvious, this is a discussion about hydraulic suspension, not conventional suspension. I'm very sorry for you that your suspension has 'sunk' on your 8 year old C4. Perhaps replace the shocks?
the DS , The SM , and C6 are among my most wanted . I love Citroen . You rarely see them stateside .
You say "Among" thats kinda sus😳😳
Well the fact is that when the legendary DS was presented back in 1955 it took 10 years before RR used it and has continued using it under licence. There were many manufacturers that tried to copy that suspension but none reaches it.
Citroen`s is still the best!
It's in many SUVs these days and probably better, but frankly after how many years?
I get the impression that Citroen are 10 years ahead of every other car manufacturer
senor250 You're right, BMW is copying this on their new 7 series, they call it Executive drive lol ...
senor250 this is not an impression 😁😁
senor250
Ha ha they were ahead in 1955! Lol
@@krisg822 yeah but licensed by Citroen
@@krisg822 Sorry but it was Citroën who invented the self leveling hydroneumatic suspension as well as many other stuff like self returning steering or the hydroneumatic assisted brakes, Rolls-Royce, Mercedes and others licensed some of this technologies from Citroen, not the other way around. Remember the Citroen DS was presented in 1954...
Both the C5 and C6 have sport settings to the suspension which make it a lot harder and help with cornering etc. The suspension on the C5 does not compare to that on the C6. It's like comparing an E class Merc to an S class.
Valid point if we talk about 1st generation C5.
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But the 2nd generation (well atleast more equipt versions with bigger and more powerfull engines) has identical suspension to the C6.
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My parents had a CX and it was superb. Hope Citroen will bring back this unique system in the near future. Their design and level of luxury are second to none. Wonderful piece of engineering!
Sorry for my bad English.
Since 2004, I'm traveling with a Citroen. Twice a Citroen C5 Exclusive. From 2010 I drive a Citroen C6. In all the years I had no damage to these vehicles. Citroen is the best you can what happened. Quality and comfort.
I have my c6 now for 4 years... and yes it drives really good BUT i also had already some repairs to do! I spend around 1800 € on repairs and maintenance during these years what is, I think, still allright. It is something special and it is just stupid to compare it to, for example, an E class. The E class has got a suspension that is at least 30 years old technologie so it is quite logic that it isn't as refined but therefor maybe a bit more reliable. Big citroen buyers are kind of special people... maybe we are a little crazy be we love them!!!! It takes a strong personality to drive these cars!!
The Last Emperor of Citroen!
Want this car.
+g00dfeeling SO much want...the want is redic with this one
a used C6 is very cheap now and reliable . time to buy it
I do not know if it is the best suspension in the world, but it is the best suspension I have ever experienced. By far. And although its softness the car is never "swimming". Since I own a C6 i am constantly checking the market to buy another one.
My father owned a Xanthia 1.6L. from 1996 till end of 2013 and recycled it because he also owned a Porsche Cayenne S 4.5 V8 from 2009 and he thought he wouldn't miss it. Recycling Xanthia was his biggest mistake ever. Still better on road than Porsche 18 years later. I had driven it and Porsche all this years. Way better automobile to travel the 400 km way to the village from Athens.
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I love Citroen for the good combination of special features and affordability. I would love to have an E65, but I can not afford even its fuel. Furthermore, with such a car I never dare to go camping, a scratch would cost as my Picasso, it would never let my drift (ESP and the rest of the electronics) and a set of tyres would cost like my Vulcane. So I have multiple cars for the different purposes and loves them :)
Citroen has achieved something in automotive history that put the challenge to the rest of the world to contemplate with.
even ROLLS-ROYCE use citroen suspension that meens citroen is one of the best cars
No
No
Not anymore. Now if you took the badge off a citroen you wouldnt be able to tell if its a Renault, Peugeot or a citroen.
Citroens are known for their modern suspensions
Not anymore.
Sadly I have to agree. The cost cutting excuse.
Read this:
www.citroenet.org.uk/miscellaneous/abandoned/abandoned.html
Now I need to buy this in my country with full of potholes and cracks
I enjoyed the hydragas suspension on my Austin Metro, hydronuematic suspension in the big Citroens looks clever.
Indeed the case. Have you ever seen this:
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www.citroenet.org.uk/prototypes/activa/activa.html
Incredibly amazing! Vive la France!
It all started just over 50 years ago with a goddess
RR did use genuine Citroen suspension in the Silver Shadow and Corniche. VW Patheon are now equipped with a bad kind of Citroen kind a like suspension about 60 years to late. CITROEN "SUPERB CREATIVE TECNOLOGY". I have flown in your cars since the day i was born in 1972 and i will the rest of my life - LOVE YOU CITROEN!
To the ignorant few claiming that the "fancy suspension" will be expensive to repair. You couldn't be more wrong. I'm speaking from years of experience.... rather than speaking out of my arse (like a few of the people on here).
Yes, I found that very funny too! In reality it is very, very cheap and much cheaper even than standard suspension to repair and you donut have to fix it nearly as frequently.
Both my XM's and Xantia had 100 percent reliable suspension. Only minor problem on my present XM was a perished rubber fluid return pipe on the front strut which popped off but that was all. I would rather deal with a suspension sphere on a Citroen than a rusty old coil spring on any other car. A good proportion of my work as a mobile mechanic was replacing broken springs on 'normal cars'. So long as LHM and filters are changed at the correct interval, these cars are fine. Quirky but not scary to work on.
i am looking for more info, but how many times need this suspension to be maintain? what's the mileage to change spheres and oil??
Depends on the Citroen model and year. On Xantias, XM's etc with the green LHM, I would change fluid and clean the filter every two years but certainly more times than Citroen's original guidelines. The C5, C6 etc used different hydraulic fluid and control system with far more electronic components and supposedly a longer service interval. As for spheres - you'll know when they are failing because the ride quality suffers. On the BX, Xantia and XM, the spheres go rock hard and makes the car undrivable. A failing accumulator sphere will force the system to work harder and you'll hear loud regular clicks, groans, hissing every few seconds from the front of the engine where the accumulator and regulator is bolted to.
Never had issues with suspension on the two XM's or the Xantia although the rear spheres can put up a bit of a fight when changing them. Sometimes the Xantia and XM front strut low pressure fluid return pipe can perish but they're easy to replace and should be considered a service item. Yet to find a modern car that can handle like a limo or a GTi with just a flick of a hydractive switch.
This is absolutely mindblowing.
Yes I know RR used Citroen Suspension, which is fantastic because even they knew it was great. But since the discontinuation of those models RR has tried to create their own suspension systems to apparently "rival" Citroen's: something they failed at. And just to let you know that there is no such VW model as the "Patheon"? But what I do know is the VW PHAETON uses the same suspension as a Audi A8 which is just regular air suspension. Nothing to do with Citroen Suspension! Nowhere near it!
As a former driver of a Xantia activa V6 and a XM v6 I prefer the new Progressive Hydraulic Cushion system of my C5 Aircross. Le Roi Est Mort, Vive Le Roi
We used to have GS-A, BX, and passanger experience in Xantia back in the late 90`s, drove C5 I. generation, and I drive occasionally my uncle`s C5 Tourer (with sporty front seats).
Months ago I also occasionally drove several new C5 Aircrosses and facelifted C4 Cactuses (at Citroen dealership where I worked for a while) both with Progressive Hydraulic Cushions.
Just so you know I have some experience in that department. :)
Conclusion: Progressive Hydraulic Cushions comes from Rallye world that Citroën once again cleverly modified for comfortable ride - no electronics as you well know (which is cheaper to maintain I suppose if anything goes wrong). Seats are softer than in my uncle`s C5 Tourer because they provide additional cushioning in addition to the suspension.
On the negative side - those same seats aren`t designed to hold you as well in corners than those in the C5 II but they were never ment to either.
But the real drawback for me is that Progressive Hydraulic Cushions lack sophistication of Hydractive 3+ and all previous generations of that system. and that is sad.
I miss something like this: th-cam.com/video/_x7LL73ZsE0/w-d-xo.html
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Even this simply does not compare:
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The Citroen Xantia was in -94 the winter test of TM (Teknikan Maailma) as best. Because of the handling of the car. When i was in traffic school, i had citroen Xantia -94. when we went to handling circuit i had my citoen slide and come to control. My istructor said= that's how french car should behave. Thats it
To be precise, the car in the Tekniikan Maailma (FI)/Teknikens Värld (SE) "moose avoidance test" was not any Xantia, but a Xantia Activa, first produced in 1995.
In addition to the "normal" Xantia's (and XM's) already great Hydractive 2 suspension, the Activa also had separate hydraulic cylinders attached to the anti-roll bars, which kept the car flat during aggressive cornering. This was the only Citroën ever made with this system. The Activa achieved the highest max speeds in the TM/TV test, beating not only any other mass-produced people-carrier, but also every super sports car that was submitted to the test. I think it still holds the record.
Unfortunately, in 2017 the cretins at Stellantis/PSA/Citroën decided that steel springs and drilling a few holes in regular shock absorbers are good enough, so now there's no longer any cars with any hydropneumatic suspension made, and thus no longer any point of buying a Citroën over any other marque.
maybe C6 have best suspension in the world
It has truly, bought one 2 years ago, still makes me smile every time I leave the Car. @@chrisrpet
@@carstenweiland7896 how's the reliability and the maintenance costs? I'm also interested in buying one
I will take you reliability comments into account when i go out to start my 20yr old 3ltr v6 xm every morning...
I must admit to have a load of engine issues a while ago, all electrical, and all down to a $2 relay, which was not made by citroen......
couldn't afford it but a c5 thp with hydractive 3+ does the trick :D
Yes it use to be used under licence by Mercedes and Rolls Royce, but they no longer use it. They have made their own suspension systems; all air-suspension based. But they still aren't capable of rivalling Citroen's innovation.
Nowindays we dont have Citroens in the U.S. We had it before. An Citroen SM in 1972. And I saw the oldschool DS in the streets somewhere in Arizona las year.
such a refreshing video...
So whats new Mercedes?
Funny Citroen used to be at the top of their game with suspension and now they just make floaty dim witted SUVs
wew, awesome
I love it. Astonishing experience of driving this car.
Only minus is getting new car.
None will be as comfortable as C6.
I also have new C4 and it is better than any other golf-class car. In comfort way mostly.
I've driven latest Seat Leon and it feels like war machine compared to C4. It is too loud and too hard.
And C6 is like melody compared to BMW 5 series(2006, not mine) and VW Passat(2008, not mine either).
So, this car is, AWESOME!
The C5 & C6 Corvettes used a single leaf spring that acts only as an anti-roll bar. It's only part of an independent multilink wishbone suspension.
There are no other American cars that use leaf springs.
Who would win
One hybrid Prius
Vs
One comfort boi
Also your opinion about how they look is all up to personal taste. It won't take they heart of many people, but it takes the heart of people who truly have great taste. It utilizes great historical design cues, and modern aerodynamic lines. It is actually a masterpiece in my eyes and I have 20-20 vision so don't start accusing me of poor visibility.
I would love as C6 as my second car. You can pick a decent one up for about £3K in the UK.
I miss my C6 2.7 (Jaguar/RRS diesel engine) and it was the most comfortable car I have ever driven but my god the electrical problems...
27 jaguar rrs engine? its not ford engine?
@@keyser414 The engines in the Citroen may have been horrible, but not THAT horrible!
@@keyser414 It was a Ford engine yes, the OP is just coping lol
A parte il design del cruscotto, è perfetta, meravigliosamente Citroen !
I dread to think of the cost if this system were to some how go wrong
Good thing that the suspension is realible and robust and with a bit of care and maintanence the system won't ever fail you
Hi Samu,
I LOVE the car! One can not get a better handling car for less than 40 times its price! The next better handling car would be a Boxster (25 to 50 times the Vulcane price). I do have some problems though, as spare parts in Israel are getting hard to find. In general, it is the best cheap driver's car you can buy.
The latest evolution of Citroën hydropneumatic suspension. French engineering.
Citroen the best suspension in the world for comfort and ride, but its all a great deal more likely to go wrong compared to the simplicity a spring ?
Having owned many Citroens over many years, a properly maintained LHM fluid hydro pneumatic is very very reliable. change the fluid and filter...
Even as a rally car very reliable and much safer than regular suspension.
Advantages of self levelling, height adjustable and even changing tyres set it so far above the rest. You are more likely to have an electrical fault.. eg XM
No shock absorbers to replace, spheres screw off to replace between 7 and 10 years,
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My total cost of ownership is way lower than ANY Japanese car and I did the statistics back and forth. 2 more facts, Nissan and precise steering are antonyms. I can not sit in any Japanese car for more than 15min unless you install me a customed Recaro / SPA / Sparco :)
As for the Citroen, when I retired a 20YO ZX I took out the seats and made them my computer seats to this day:)
When I live you do not find many cars past 20YO, due to state regulations.
lots of Xantias,
quite a few 2CVs over 35 years old,
Thanks pal!!!
I will ship it to Belgium, where I have business. I bought a few parts on eBay in the past, but some did not match. I will keep you posted. What car do you drive ?
citroen suspension is the best
I am "sorry" to disappoint you, I have 4 citroens for myself and my business. The newest is a C4 which is a shame to the brand. But the 2006 Xsara Picasso is a MARVEL, it is by FAR the best car of its category to this day (by far better than its successor the C4 Picasso bahh). I drive a 1996 2.0L Volcane and it is the best handling car under $K100, and believe me I know, I race Porsches 20+ years ago. I have K220 Km on the car and it is as tight as new, I pay good money for that!
Some people want to drive a Porsche, I want to drive a C6 or a C5 with Hydractive III+ suspension.
How is this suspension diffrent from the C5 Hydractive 3+?
The 2nd generation C5 adopted it. They both have the same Hydractive 3+.
Driven it - my uncle`s C5 (II.) Tourer = sublime. :)
The Silverado is a pickup work truck. Not a car. Trucks use leaf springs because they are able to handle very high loads. (HD Silverados have a load capacity of over 900 kilos). Have you ever seen a dump truck with coil springs?
Citroen has a brilliant history of suspension engineering. The original DS is one of the most innovative cars of all time. But the British, Germans, Czechs, Italians, Japanese and Americans have also contributed to automotive innovation. Modern cars are global.
If you type in Wikipedia Self-levelling suspension you also get this:
"...In 1966, Rolls-Royce licensed Citroën's hydropneumatic system to fit to the rear axle of the Silver Shadow. At first, both the front and rear of the car were controlled by the leveling system; the front levelling was deleted in 1969 as it had been determined that the rear levelling did almost all the work. Rolls-Royce achieved a high degree of ride quality with this arrangement. ..."
For the rest google Rolls Royce. :)
Great car for suspension and confort, akword shape especially on the back.
Road is pupmpy
Citroen:no problemo
Which citroen is the most comfortable? One fitted with hydractive 3+? Im very curious to drive one, but also slightly worried thinking its suspension will spoil every other car lol
C5-I < C5-II < C6
C6 is the only one with AMVAR.
i can see that the suspension is very very sophisticated, because at poor surface you can see the body only move a bit
I wish it was sold in Canada! 😭
What a great looking car...I am assuming it drives as good as it looks. V rare on UK roads
SUPERIOR!!!!!
I wish i hadn’t got rid of my XM. I guess this is the only successor still on the road
Actually, Mercedes licensed the Citroen system as well. Most notably in the 560SEL.
I've bought mine 6 month ago and it is a fantastic car! the most confortable i eve had...And i Owned a Lexus GS300 before
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However, if you survive this via de'la rosa for 10 years and your car becomes 30YO you may claim a special plate for "collectors item". You still suffer rushing the car for 2 technical controls a year but for close to no price (around $35 state fee each) the car's insurance goes for peanuts (10% to 15% of market price). BUT! There is a catch, you better do not make it your daily driver, as a no-driving restrictions on driving at rush hours (0800 - 1000, 1500-1700) is imposed on you.
Everybody knows is the best suspension but paradoxicaly it is going to be unavailable in the comming years in the market.
don't forget the train suspension. really, that's what they use in almost all their cars, even in the "sporty" mustang
BTW, multilink suspension was invented in the 50's, 60's. They don't use that yet.
Is it smoother than the magic body role on the new s class and maybach?!
Haven't driven a new S Class or the Maybach
Rolls Royce licenses this so maybe yes.
Dream on. This is Citroen`s suspension. Bose made approximation of it but Citroen was the 1st back in the 50`s. This is the 3rd generation and slightly improved - Hydroactive 3+.
Get your facts straight and check before you write something you know nothing about.
Citroen's suspension is used by Mercedes and other premium manufacturers under a license
Indeed. It seems that people are idiots. Instead of buying it cheap from citroen they switched to f*** expensive from mercedes. Thus making citroen to stop producing hydroactive fitted cars at all. I won't even try to understand this ultimate dumbness. Thanks for pointing out Mercedes license.
I want one!
awesome
I had 3 CXs and they were great cars,at the time a lot of people were critical of them but if you ask them if they had owned one or driven one the reply was usually no.
With the C6 it may suffer from the same problem,but who cares let them buy their euroboxes which will never be remembered as they lack any soul.
In reply to 2Str0k3:
"How many 24 year old french cars do you see on the road still? None."
Umm... my 1990 Citroen XM with 300.000 kilometres on the clock still works, in fact, everything works on it! I have seen a lot of 30+ year old Citroen and Peugeot cars on the road for the past 8+ years, I see most of them almost everyday!
Just realize that EVERY single car on the road today needs maintenance! The only times your car breaks down is when you don't give a flying fuck about it! (i.e, you don't change the oil, oil filter, coolant, break pads and so on when the respective thing needs to be changed)
If the only thing you do to your car is re-fuelling it, your car is going to break down any minute!
There is not a single car available today that is maintenance-free!
A special message to 2Str0k3:
Fuck off you ignorant twat!
My 1990 citroen BX still works very well too :-)
my renault 19 1.8 liters (1993 ) works very well too
This is not entirely true
i have a 1989 bx 1.9 gti and a 1994 xantia tct both with 200k+ km and they work fine, of course they need some attention time to time but any car with the same age would.
Citroen geeks
Well Citreon suspension is the best in the world. Ferrari suspension is not electrocuted. It isn't that exclusive either, Cadillac uses it. It only comprises of magnetic particles. And Rolls Royce only uses a form of air-suspension. Citroen has been using this advanced hydro-pneumatic system since the 1930's. That is how far ahead of technology they were.
Unfortunatly, its the hard truth, most of modern french car are a pain to service and repair, older french car like the old AX or Clio did have there drawback but doing some a simple basic maintenance was possible
Awesome!
Oh yeah also the gear lever joints were so worn out that the stick was going around without knowing what gear was on or was it in neutral.
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The state wants old cars off the road, local regulation makes maintaining a car past 20YO utterly expensive.
Penalties include: 2 technical controls a year, sky high insurance, no towing insurance, no-low spare parts availability, parts self-import problems, extra emission test and constant hustle by police inspections.
They want the car off the road and they make sure you got the massage.
This suspension needs a revision after some years?
Every 5 years
Les TGV Français sont équipés du système de suspension élaboré par Citroën ! 👍👏👏🇫🇷
Non la suspension des TGV est pneumatique et a été conçu par des ingénieurs de la SNCF et d’Alstom. Elle est aussi très innovante mais différente.
Why can't we have this car in the US?
Ask Mr. Trump about it.
The problem is : what about diesel engine in the near future in our cities..
isn't the 1994 caddy the most comfy car? or the lincoln town?
NO!
they wallow. The Citroen doesn't
Lmao, fuck no. Most other european cars don't come close to the comfort of Citroëns hydropneumatic, so don't get started with american cars
And if this system malfunctions in any way, youre left w/o a car?
best suspension aorund the globe but if it gets damaged....well, it will be as expensive to repair as one fitted on a Ranger ROver.
The mechanical parts in the system has been in use since the 1950's so it's very well tested, and the spheres themselves lasts about 200000km nowadays and costs only from ~40€ per sphere to replace. Compare that to the cost of replacing a broken air cushion, on let's say a Audi A6 Allroad (which does not lost anywhere near as long) and you'll begin to wonder why other manufactures even bother with air suspension instead of hydropneumatic suspension. Especially since they don't even get close to the comfort level.
Wrong! 1 Ive been driving oily Cits for 40 years and never had one damaged. 2 The spheres can be re charged quite cheaply, unlike expensive spring and damper sets. 3. Cit garages charge much less than Range Rover, Rolls or Bently, who use similar systems
Ammm, not always true. In my 4 ZX cars it never been a problem, even with my Vulcane 2.0i were the engine compartment is a little more tight on space. It is not a problem with my current Xsara Picasso. It was like that on the first generation of C5, but on the second generation it is not so. I dare you to try replacing a headlight on a Porsche 914 (retractable headlights) M3 BMW is no picnic and I can find you dozens more examples. I do not buy my car according the the headlights replacing time.
Sounds like Charlotte Green narrating.
doug demuro brought me here
No.You don't have to dream.Go to a dealer and take it to a test drive :P That won't be a dream i assure you :P
Well things are different here. Insurances are lower for older cars. Tax goes by its wight so they are low on the small cars. The seats are actually comfortable in some cars. In fact i sit on them for about 2 hours a day and i havent complained and my back is fine. We have only 1 "technical control" a year. For 30+ year old museum cars its once every 2 years. Parts are cheap and available new or used. And the cars are easy to fix yourself.
J’adore la C6 ❤️
Dommage pour la couleur rouge...😢
En noire ou en bleu très foncé c’est mieux !!
I’m not entirely convinced. This needs more balloons tied to fish…
You should have driven one when they were available! A life changing experience!
"integrated calculation system" Why not just say CPU?
Scott Chiste bcs not everyone knows what a cpu is
www.citroenet.org.uk/passenger-cars/psa/c6/c%206-18.html
www.citroenet.org.uk/passenger-cars/psa/c6/c%206-19.html
Dear 2Str0k3,
I do not see how your comments belong in this discussion & you are intelligent enough to know it. Life expectancy of a cheap small city car is 8 years, you describe a 24YO AX that has not seen a workshop in a decade, got zero maintenance & from the trash you described was declined being purchased by a pig for the dirt. Give this treatment to a Merci / RR or any other car for long enough, won't it look the same? I have seen such an Audi, does it reflect anything on Audi's quality?
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