Education eliminates your being wrong. And free speech was present since ancient times. Not to all, but that is not the fault of the notion. The reason you need free speech is because you are privileged enough to assume you dont have enough. And most of the times you are wrong, because that's nature. Educated learn from mistakes.
small correction: 5G was pionered by NASA back in 2008 (not China) and was initially released in South Korea 2 years ago, which ironically also had one of the lowest COVID rates to date.
what is with people thinking that 5G causes coronavirus? People don't contract covid19 from 5G. 5G compromises the immune system and causes cellular degeneration, reducing the ability to fight off such diseases and infections, potentially causing the mortality rates of such sicknesses to be elevated.
@@tripmd310 Sometimes it is wise to give advise only if you understand the issue. So what in 5g hurts cells? Is it the wavelength, the frequency or the amplitude of these waves?
When people try to make a joke like this, I always say, "Yes, science has said that superposition is true. The problem is that it is still literally impossible for 2 diametrically opposing things to both happen in a single reality". In other words, even if math and science say X is possible, it doesn't mean it physically possible in our reality.
Not really. Unless you want to say the fact that things had to happen this way, and that's why we are here, is reason instead of effect. Also, reason, in this definition, is what you make. Reason is yours, it doesn't exist outside the brain. It's up to you to give reason to the world as you see it. It's one of the most powerful tools we have. To decide what's important and why.
That's what is so frustrating about social media "conversations" is that most people don't want to know anything more- they want to be right! I find myself in situations with these people who attempt to school me when I'm still asking questions and then it ends when I realize that they really don't care what I think, don't want to know more, don't have any interest in skepticism, but they intend to insult me by letting me know how wrong I am! Gotta get back to real conversation hopefully after we get beyond this virus 😷.
If everyone on Earth smoked a joint and binge watched Star Talk, there would be world peace followed by world famine because, Munchies are killer man! XD Puff, puff........
Although I don’t reccomend it, Yes I am. I’m not a person, I’m a living man. The only two laws I need to follow are, “love they neighbor” and “love thy creator” look up person and man in black law dictionary
People are often extraordinarily uncomfortable with uncertainty. It's so overwhelming not knowing that they will accept the word of anyone who claims to know, even if just supported by misinterpreted information, fallacies and even lies. People who say "We don't know" are unacceptable for them. The smartest, may not be comfortable with uncertainty either, but at least smart people prefer probabilities over absolute answers that can be flawed. Even if they fail, they will at least find comfort on knowing they tried their smartest best. Also, smart people are more likely to be fascinated when proven wrong. Learning is awesome.
It's something I've noticed seems to be embedded in our culture, there are both merits and certainly more pitfalls that can befall this line of reasoning. The hard part is figuring out who you can help and who just won't listen to you. And not that they will never learn but simply they need somebody else to restate it in a different fashion. I like how he went into the conversation about how not to try to sound condescending when trying to teach somebody on any topic. And it speaks to an idea that; it's just a matter of finding the right teacher and figuring out how people learn. And keeping in mind that the Socratic method can only go so far with certain individuals, otherwise you might go crazy.
Soo--- "not knowing" is "so overwhelming that 'they' will accept the word of anyone who claims to know, even if just supported by [misinterpretation], fallacies, [or] lies". Are you referring to 'conspiracy theorists' when you say that? Or toMichael Shermer and his followers?
I have found that becoming comfortable with simply not knowing some ultimate explanation for things, has helped me become a much more contented person who enjoys simply being curious.
I so miss the Saturday morning Pinky and the Brain cartoon show that I used to watch religiously!!! I miss the more simple days of cartoon relief for our natural skepticism, unanswerable questions and imagination!
Well said! I miss quality entertainment in general. The 80s n 90s really had stacks of it in many genres that kept my mind creative and now I just shake my head at most of it as preaching, regurgitated, cringe worthy, tone def nonsense because creators can't create anymore without checking so many boxes. 😫
@@100GTAGUY Yea they sure like to use a lot of buzz words that end up changing the context to a less realistic one. A rocket blowing up on the pad is not an experiment rich in data, like you said its a failure to be learned from. A successful experiment will mostly always be rich in data, no?
I tend to be somewhat immune to conspiracy theory, but the whole smart meter and inching towards surveillance capitalism thing gives me the creeps. I would so love to see the discussion of these issues...a lot of the other claims about smart meters seem to be bunk, but seeing how China is squashing Hong Kong and suppressing its minorities is pretty worrisome. It seems like we are tossing data about ourselves, privacy, and ability to move anonymously aside, but free to be utterly awful and mean to each other via the perceived anonymity of the internet.
Never assume you are immune to anything. Keep asking questions and think for yourself. Truth should never be afraid of investigation, it should only lead to a greater truth. I know I will never have all the answers, but I always question my reality.
Immune to conspiracy theories means you are a sheep, in the purest sense of the word. You cannot think for yourself or think outside the box. You must follow society's "norm" and believe everything the government and media tells you. I'm not saying every theory is true, or that even half of them are. I'm saying to be open minded and stop being indoctrinated.
@@CMKloser right so why not just host a podcast with someone on the same skill level who disagrees about covid ?...You know to debunked them in real-time. THAt would be helpful in a fight against conspiracies....but i geuss cenzorship is the way to go
Hmm, I think a lot of people are moaning here in England, but I think that's mainly because it's only just been put in place...4 months in to a pandemic.
Faucci and the surgeon general clearly said masks don’t work. It was more than the supply chain issue. And the surgeon general tried explaining it away a week ago and failed epically
They along with many other scientists said masks aren't particularly effective protecting the wearer. They ARE particularly effective protecting other people if you carry the virus (which might be the case even if you don't have any symptoms).
lachazaroony thank you! I do not always check what is being spelled (a bit small for my old eyes). Now that you point it out...yes..it is not spelled right.
Yeah. No plane hit building 7 and it didn't epstien itself at free fall speed. There was no WMDs found in Iraq and Gain of function Dr. Fauxchi funded wuhan. Plenty of conspiracy without the theory.
The belief that people change their mind through rational debate is so delusional. Some people are so far gone that ignoring them, or not platforming them, is the only answer.
I believe that but it is still worth to debate with them sometimes, you may learn something from them or at least a bit of why they are that way. If it gets nasty then your not going to get anywhere with them though.
That may be right at times but if you don't try to have an open discussion with someone you will never know if they are in any way able to change their mind or not. You can't just lump everyone you don't agree with as too far gone to talk to, that just makes you no more willing to take on new points of view as you think they are.
@@wasdwasdedsf Everyone has a right to beleive in themselves. But to preach about something without evidence isn't going to help anyone. And to disregard other people who are talking based on their perspective's evidence is just dumb. There's a massive community of science providing it's evidence of truth. I'm not saying it can't be proven otherwise one day.. But in order to see what's most likely true.. you have to try to believe what someone with evidence says until you prove them otherwise. And that's when debates come in.. Where we should discuss ideas on change of opposing ideas. When we both have evidence. And ww should essentially, eventually, conclude to a sounding argument by listening to each other. But nothing works when no one listens to each other or show love.. or better yet. Peace.
@@adsotbraz I don't know where your knowledge comes from, but until you have a covid-19 case in your family you shouldn't talk like you're the master of information.
@@igorrodrigues7382 this virus is so overblown. I haven't met a single person online and none of those people ever mentioned anyone they knew had it, besides a couple people. If there really were as many cases and deaths as they indoctrinate us with, then you think I would've seen more.
@@adsotbraz Yes, although it does exist and is slightly worse than earlier seasonal flus. I had it unknowingly, for 4 weeks, believing ti to be Smart-Meter disease (I had not informed myself about the c. for certain reasons)and have never had anything so strange or been that sick with the flu. High temp and never-ending DRY-cough, with the sensation as though there were a big something in my chest. We have corona and other vira inside us all the time, and research shows masks do not protect (of course), but on the contrary makes us more susceptible to catch it, by decreasing the Oxygen intake needed for life and elimination of toxins like vira. It also impacts us psychologically negative, as you say, as does the social isolation which also weakens immune defense.. Healthy ppl are to be out and about, quarantaine is for the sick. The old who have díed from deadly diseases got worse from the flu, like always happens, although they did not die from it, which is falsely spread. When people live naturally with healthy habits , they have a strong immune defense that can withstand c. and other vira and bacteria.
This is one of the programs which announces commercial breaks. TH-cam's AI seems to be unaware of these breaks and would rather interrupt NdGT mid-sentence, but not the other speakers. . . .
Conspiracy theorists are educated and do research, it's often to do with childhood problems like divorce, and any research they do is on sketchy websites and after that any real research they do is biased
@@flavius7524 precisely, but they call it research anyway. I have seen the same thing with Christians, only using a single site to explain to you why they are right, despite the site being obviously biased and so are they
This REALLY deserves more views... more people have to listen to this discussion so they can remember what being fair, really means. A lot of people have to start critically thinking, no matter how scared you are. It's important to hear every side before you cast any kind of judgement, and to understand that both sides should respect each other, at least in some degree.
Right on the spot on the Free Country mentality! As a non-American it was a total CRINGE for us to throw that free country card on everything just because you dont want to obey.
Many conspiracy theorists don't think they're conspiracy theorists. I was working with a colleague who has all sorts of conspiracy ideas and actually said, "I don't want to get all conspiratorial ..."
"We wish to find the truth, no matter where it lies. But to find the truth we need imagination and skepticism both. We will not be afraid to speculate, but we will be careful to distinguish speculation from fact." - Carl Sagan
well, the problem is that you have been incriminated into thinking, that any kind of risk no matter how minuscule is worthy of abolishing freedom and individual responsibility in favor of a big government solution for your benefit ..but carry on pretending you can use any kind of critical thinking
What you call a 'conspiracy theory' may not actually be a conspiracy theory. There are many that are indeed conspiracy theories but yet many that do turn out to be true..
I'm surprised the Neill says at 6:23 "you need free speech to combat conspiracy theories". I believe that conspiracy theories can only flourish where free speech exists. I am a huge believer in conspiracy theories, as they become a gateway to a field of research that I would not have gone down in my normal life, hence expanding my knowledge, and interests in different subjects. If someone was to call me a conspiracy theorist as a derogatory term, I simply ask them: How many buildings collapsed in New York on 9/11? Strangely enough, the few people who I have asked that question, do not know the correct answer, so conversation over.... They are welcome to educate themselves on the answer.
So curating a magazine is different than schools selecting speakers? Does the 1st Ammt apply to a global private business, regardless if it seems better to be nationalized?
The science DID change regarding the CDC's mask recommendation. They always recommended that infected individuals wear a mask to protect others from infection. What changed was the scientific realization that asymptomatic individuals (or at least individuals who do not recognize their symptoms of infection) were spreading COVID. Once that was clear, the recommendation was made that everyone mask, as no individual is aware of their own infectious status, as a means of protection others as if the individual is actually infected.
Then the WHO says that asymptomatic transmission is unlikely. Not saying we don't need to wear masks, there is apparently a distinction between asymptomatic and presymtomatic.
There was also the idea that your average masks won't protect the person who is wearing it from others' coughs and sneezes carrying the virus. And also the fact that because the US federal government didn't use its powers to ramp up production of PPE, there were shortages of masks, so governments were actively telling people NOT to buy masks. Now it's about masks being community efforts to prevent transmission. Your mask is for me and my mask is for you, etc. That's a lot of evolution in a short period of time, but that's how things go sometimes.
Explain this: why does Neil and other true scientists never mention real scientific studies that prove that cloth, surgical, and n95 masks are not effective. Univ of minn has very very in-depth information on this but people ignore these studies and say just believe whatever the man in the suit says
@@Jay-om8gr Because they are perpetuating the narrative that we should wear masks. A majority of the studies supporting masks efficacy are not Randomized controlled trials...which are considered to provide the strongest evidence. I think this is all a big experiment to learn how easy it is to manipulate and control the population. Something much bigger and worse than COVID-19 is coming. This is only the beginning
@@davidbradley2316 There is nothing to learn, it is a known fact that masses are easy to control, at least the uneducated "know-it-all" mass of people. Even if the efficiency of masks isn't very high, it is enough to mitigate a considerable amount of damage, but the sad fact is that many people don't even put it correctly, at least in my country. There are many (especially old, but not only) people that put it just on the mouth, or take it away when they speak, so that can be an important factor too.
The problem is that most of the time that "rabbit hole" doesn't exist, unfortunately there are just the right amount of genuine rabbit holes where conspiracy theories can't/shouldn't be dismissed outright.
@@arandom1024 unfortunately there are still theories that can be disproved and dismissed pretty easily due to overwhelming evidence to the contrary, for example, the flat earth conspiracy
If you have to suppose something exists for which you have no evidence or indication, that must exist in order for your theoretical conspiracy to exist, then the conspiracy probably doesn't exist.
36:00 I like how he admitted that the government lied about not needing mask inorder to protect themselves due to their not being enough mask at first but then quickly changed the subject talking about learning new info instead of talking about how the government lied.
There is plenty of evidence to suggest controlled demolition took down the 3 trade center towers, while the idea of them falling at near free fall with the 2 main towers collapsing top to bottom with less mass on top accelerating into more mass seems unlikely(unless Newton's laws changed). But I'm sure your career is more important than facts.
They just try to sweep WTC7 under the rug. After building 7 I will never trust any kool aid this government is peddling. The arrogance of these speakers is hurting a lot of people, are they really ignorant of what embalmers are telling us?
@KingTater, it's not quite that simplistic. You can't negate everything someone says because they have a political view point. The view point might make sense to a side that you don't agree with, but some of the information may be correct.
@@LaoZi2023 you're right, some of the info is correct. Like when the WHO said asymptomatic people have not been shown to transmit the disease. But they're also led by Tedros, a gofer for the WHO's biggest funder, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
My recollection for the masks change was that your mask does not significantly protect you from getting the virus, but there was a point we realized how easily it spreads so someone who is sick but not not realize it wearing a mask will protect me - therefore start wearing masks - not to protect yourself, but to protect others from you. Yes, the supply chain was involved, too.
Question - light from Sun 🌞 is red and orange but same light reflected from 🌕 moon is white ? Why, same light , same atmosphere why different colors. Please help 🥺
In order to change someone's mind you first have to show them you're on their side... Showing some common ground. "Yea I hate Hillary too" kind of a thing... You also have to know the common argument points and how to counter them... This is not hard as people tend to all parrot the same thing and only know how to argue against parroted argument... Usually I see liberals and conservatives just parroting back and forth... The problem is that even if you do change their mind.. they'll forget as soon as they go back into their echo chamber... So you have to sneak in an anti echo chamber argument
I was internally outraged when I heard co-workers talk about going to stores without a mask. So I've done the same thing in an attempt to bridge the gap and perhaps convert the "idiots" around me who don't wear a mask and dare to go into public to buy stuff. Well...I've started to change my tune. We should be seeing refrigeration trucks driving through neighborhoods collecting bodies...based on what the media has been selling.
i think our belief are deeply integrated in our personalities i been trying for years to show people who don't believe in science and tolerance to change and some listen but others are as closed as dead person
I like the bit: "Most people are fairly incompetent" at 28:35. These brilliant plots to take over the world while staying invisible doesn't match human abilities.
"the reason we need free speech is because most of us are wrong" I like that
ok
Wrong
@@Chungustav is this what I have heard as sarcasm...
Education eliminates your being wrong. And free speech was present since ancient times. Not to all, but that is not the fault of the notion. The reason you need free speech is because you are privileged enough to assume you dont have enough. And most of the times you are wrong, because that's nature. Educated learn from mistakes.
👍👍
small correction: 5G was pionered by NASA back in 2008 (not China) and was initially released in South Korea 2 years ago, which ironically also had one of the lowest COVID rates to date.
what is with people thinking that 5G causes coronavirus? People don't contract covid19 from 5G. 5G compromises the immune system and causes cellular degeneration, reducing the ability to fight off such diseases and infections, potentially causing the mortality rates of such sicknesses to be elevated.
@@tripmd310 Sometimes it is wise to give advise only if you understand the issue. So what in 5g hurts cells? Is it the wavelength, the frequency or the amplitude of these waves?
@@tripmd310 How do photons thousands of times less energetic than visible light "compromise the immune system"?
No need for a correction Anton, Neil was joking..
What about gravity?!
th-cam.com/video/sFsPVvbw5dw/w-d-xo.html
Michael: "She can't be dead and alive at the same time"
Schrödingers cat: "Hold my milk"
A smart joke for a smart audience. Very serendipitous.
Ha ha. Hold my milk but also don't hold it.
@@nathanjasper512 Milk or no milk.
When people try to make a joke like this, I always say, "Yes, science has said that superposition is true. The problem is that it is still literally impossible for 2 diametrically opposing things to both happen in a single reality". In other words, even if math and science say X is possible, it doesn't mean it physically possible in our reality.
@@jwb52z9 I bet you're fun at parties.
I JUST found out Star Talk was on YT. This is what I've been missing in my life. ❤
If I may “everything does happen for a reason, it just doesn’t happen for your reason”
I think I can improve upon that: “everything does happen for a reason, it just doesn’t _necessarily_ happen for your reason”
@@M3galodon I like it! Needs to be PRINTED on a T shirt!! Right!
@ChronicAdaptor0420
Yes everything has to happen for a reason, no one wants to believe that they are an accident.
Not really. Unless you want to say the fact that things had to happen this way, and that's why we are here, is reason instead of effect.
Also, reason, in this definition, is what you make. Reason is yours, it doesn't exist outside the brain. It's up to you to give reason to the world as you see it. It's one of the most powerful tools we have. To decide what's important and why.
@Josh Thurman yes it's not everything happens for a reason the way ppl think of reason it's "everything that happens has cause and affect"
That's what is so frustrating about social media "conversations" is that most people don't want to know anything more- they want to be right! I find myself in situations with these people who attempt to school me when I'm still asking questions and then it ends when I realize that they really don't care what I think, don't want to know more, don't have any interest in skepticism, but they intend to insult me by letting me know how wrong I am! Gotta get back to real conversation hopefully after we get beyond this virus 😷.
I'm a simple man. I wake up. I bake up. And I watch StarTalk.
We brothers man !
Sharing is caring
If everyone on Earth smoked a joint and binge watched Star Talk, there would be world peace followed by world famine because, Munchies are killer man! XD
Puff, puff........
Don't you just love listening to INTELLIGENT people carry on intelligent conversations? Gives me hope for our future...
What makes you think that these two are actually intelligent?
I am so glad your still doing this show here. Let's me know there are still sane and intelligent people out there. Some days I tell you.
I fear one day they'll stop this because theres not enough support for them
"you're" and "lets", not "your" and "let's"
@@insane_troll , you're an insane troll!
“You are not free to drive on the left side of the road”… Perfect comeback to anyone spouting ‘Muricuh!’
We aren't free to drive on the left - it's the law here in the UK. 😉
Sounds like someone who would rather pretend the other side doesn't exist rather than have an adult conversation about what we believe is right.
Nothing more pathetically ignorant than still falling for that right wing left wing paradygm!!!
Or left road, right road, in this case.😂
Although I don’t reccomend it, Yes I am. I’m not a person, I’m a living man. The only two laws I need to follow are, “love they neighbor” and “love thy creator” look up person and man in black law dictionary
People are often extraordinarily uncomfortable with uncertainty. It's so overwhelming not knowing that they will accept the word of anyone who claims to know, even if just supported by misinterpreted information, fallacies and even lies. People who say "We don't know" are unacceptable for them.
The smartest, may not be comfortable with uncertainty either, but at least smart people prefer probabilities over absolute answers that can be flawed. Even if they fail, they will at least find comfort on knowing they tried their smartest best.
Also, smart people are more likely to be fascinated when proven wrong. Learning is awesome.
This seems generally true! I feel like I'm the exception, because I would rather have an "I don't know" answer over getting a BS answer.
@@andrewolson5471 but atleast with a bs answer you can see where their thought pattern is and how they came to the conclusion
It's something I've noticed seems to be embedded in our culture, there are both merits and certainly more pitfalls that can befall this line of reasoning. The hard part is figuring out who you can help and who just won't listen to you. And not that they will never learn but simply they need somebody else to restate it in a different fashion. I like how he went into the conversation about how not to try to sound condescending when trying to teach somebody on any topic. And it speaks to an idea that; it's just a matter of finding the right teacher and figuring out how people learn. And keeping in mind that the Socratic method can only go so far with certain individuals, otherwise you might go crazy.
Soo--- "not knowing" is "so overwhelming that 'they' will accept the word of anyone who claims to know, even if just supported by [misinterpretation], fallacies, [or] lies". Are you referring to 'conspiracy theorists' when you say that? Or toMichael Shermer and his followers?
@@theresefotiou7097 Conspiracy theories. I have no clue who Shermer is (yet). I'll look it up, though.
Thanks.
"Your freedom to swing your arm ends at my nose." Pure gold.
Not very original. A G Gardener
Neil, you're a true genius and a great educator. Chuck, you're a great wingman.
Ahh why you gotta do Chuck like that... 😂
Heck yeah. But I don't think we got anywhere,really. We didn't solve nor answer....anything; we just highlighted the questions.
Nah Chuck adds the picante to the knowledge chili
@@HVYContent mmmmm, knowledge chili
They balance each other well
I have found that becoming comfortable with simply not knowing some ultimate explanation for things, has helped me become a much more contented person who enjoys simply being curious.
YES I'm so glad you're doing a series of segments on this topic!!! Thank you!!!
I so miss the Saturday morning Pinky and the Brain cartoon show that I used to watch religiously!!! I miss the more simple days of cartoon relief for our natural skepticism, unanswerable questions and imagination!
Watch the Simpsons! I swear that Matt Goring was a time traveler!
Well said! I miss quality entertainment in general. The 80s n 90s really had stacks of it in many genres that kept my mind creative and now I just shake my head at most of it as preaching, regurgitated, cringe worthy, tone def nonsense because creators can't create anymore without checking so many boxes. 😫
"When a rocket blows up on the launchpad, it's not a failure it's an experiment rich in data". 5 stars to that
It is if you recorded the telemetry.
The people inside the rocket may disagree.
@@svsguru2000 only like, two rockets have exploded with passengers, they are talking about cargo rockets that only carry sattelites
It's still a failure, you just were able to learn from said failure.
@@100GTAGUY Yea they sure like to use a lot of buzz words that end up changing the context to a less realistic one. A rocket blowing up on the pad is not an experiment rich in data, like you said its a failure to be learned from. A successful experiment will mostly always be rich in data, no?
I had my TH-cam autoplay turned on and it brought me here. I guess the TH-cam algorithm knew how much I would love it :)
Love the painting of Christopher Hitchens behind Michael.
Actually it's Larry Flynt
@@69T57 Similar, but no. That's Hitch.
I know right! who you think Is the one on top? Sam Harris?
Was just about to ask if it was lol Thanks!
@@BlackEpyon Yeah why would anybody especially Shermer have a picture of Larry Flynt
I love this show. Let me add that our government has laid the red carpet for conspiracy theories.
yup!
Ever wonder why they've done that?
conspiracy theories are what low IQ people use to explain things too complex for them to understand.
This is the best astrophysics/science TH-cam channel.
Other than Vsause
@@ragamuffin4907 no still the best.
@@purelife6846 AcapellaScience: Hold my Entropic Time.
*Just personal opinion. I wanted to be part of the conversation.
It's awesome but science festival's channel is pretty dope too
I firmly believe that all the people in this video' aren't wearing pants.
Sorry. I don't know how to get your name to come up correctly. I assume your name is pronounced Michile, or mi-ki-el, or the like.
That's a conspiracy!
@@angrymanspeaks , He'S a Russian 'bot, don't fall for his conspiracies!
No pants but still more intelligent than 90 percent of us...
now that's just logic
Neil...
My favourite astrophysicist 🙂
Me too
❤️🤘
How many u know ?lol
Stephen Colbert said the same thing. But I agree with you, he's awesome and someone I would like to meet.
I tend to be somewhat immune to conspiracy theory, but the whole smart meter and inching towards surveillance capitalism thing gives me the creeps. I would so love to see the discussion of these issues...a lot of the other claims about smart meters seem to be bunk, but seeing how China is squashing Hong Kong and suppressing its minorities is pretty worrisome. It seems like we are tossing data about ourselves, privacy, and ability to move anonymously aside, but free to be utterly awful and mean to each other via the perceived anonymity of the internet.
Never assume you are immune to anything. Keep asking questions and think for yourself. Truth should never be afraid of investigation, it should only lead to a greater truth. I know I will never have all the answers, but I always question my reality.
I think there's thing we could call paradoxical paranoia. It's paranoia, but if we weren't paranoid, it would be real.
.
Immune to conspiracy theories means you are a sheep, in the purest sense of the word. You cannot think for yourself or think outside the box. You must follow society's "norm" and believe everything the government and media tells you. I'm not saying every theory is true, or that even half of them are. I'm saying to be open minded and stop being indoctrinated.
@@CMKloser exactly
@@CMKloser right so why not just host a podcast with someone on the same skill level who disagrees about covid ?...You know to debunked them in real-time. THAt would be helpful in a fight against conspiracies....but i geuss cenzorship is the way to go
The Hitchens poster behind Michael is definitely nostalgic.
That's not Hitchens it's Larry Flynt
I have a lot of hitch's books and I miss his talks and I miss his witt and his calm way of taking idiots to pieces lol
@@69T57 Not true, it's Mr.Hitchens on the bottom
Is there any country other than America where people actually fight over wearing masks in the middle of a global Pandemic?
Akif Awakened there is also a lot here in Canada. I think you can safely assume it’s the case basically everywhere.
oh ya, lots of places. Maybe they don't say it out loud , but would be passive-aggressive about it!!
Hmm, I think a lot of people are moaning here in England, but I think that's mainly because it's only just been put in place...4 months in to a pandemic.
In my country rather than fighting over it some people would just sneakily not wear a mask and only wear them when authorities are around.
Neil Degrasse Tyson AND Micheal Shermer in the same video, I'm in.
What the heck 😂😂
@Bernie Family , Bernie, who I like, is not a skeptic or an astrophysicist.
ME TOO..............
Faucci and the surgeon general clearly said masks don’t work. It was more than the supply chain issue. And the surgeon general tried explaining it away a week ago and failed epically
They along with many other scientists said masks aren't particularly effective protecting the wearer. They ARE particularly effective protecting other people if you carry the virus (which might be the case even if you don't have any symptoms).
This is a very informative series on the coronavirus.
yes sir!!!
Who believes in zombies?
I'd love to hear a discussion about COVID-19 between Neil and Bret Weinstein.
You can’t be alive and dead at the same time...what about Schoedinger’s cat? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 silly humor! This is a great topic!
According to emergent view you can. If no one is observing does the tree falling make a sound.
what if you're undead ?? - Can you really turn up missing though ??
Isabel, I thought the same when I heard that.
Schrodinger*
lachazaroony thank you! I do not always check what is being spelled (a bit small for my old eyes). Now that you point it out...yes..it is not spelled right.
September 11th changed my way of thinking. That was a scary day. I was only 10 yrs old at the time. Not only that Hurricane Katrina.
Yeah. No plane hit building 7 and it didn't epstien itself at free fall speed. There was no WMDs found in Iraq and Gain of function Dr. Fauxchi funded wuhan. Plenty of conspiracy without the theory.
Chuck Nice even though I’m here for Dr. Tyson, I do love everything you bring to this channel. 🍺
Yes he adds much needed comic relief to break up things that can often get monotonous
Chuck is absolutely essential to startalk ❤️
Wow, Neil deGrasse Tyson interrupted a lot less than usual in this video, I guess he really respects Michael Shermer
Well the topic is also outside of his wheelhouse
Smart people humor is the best type of humor! Love these guys man
Until you start to actually think for yourself and find out that these types are full of themselves???
Same ‼️
Not a conspiracy theorist but these ppl sure sound like sheeple , just repeating wots on MSM
Until you realize that there is a difference between smart and having a degree
@@Stylofo4m cool story bro
Wow, my first time watching StarTalk. Great conversation very inspiring. I’m a huge fan of Dr Tyson in astrophysics, his skills go far beyond that 🖐
The belief that people change their mind through rational debate is so delusional. Some people are so far gone that ignoring them, or not platforming them, is the only answer.
I believe that but it is still worth to debate with them sometimes, you may learn something from them or at least a bit of why they are that way. If it gets nasty then your not going to get anywhere with them though.
Many conspiracy theorists unfortunately are too far gone and refuse to believe anything
That may be right at times but if you don't try to have an open discussion with someone you will never know if they are in any way able to change their mind or not. You can't just lump everyone you don't agree with as too far gone to talk to, that just makes you no more willing to take on new points of view as you think they are.
@@wasdwasdedsf Everyone has a right to beleive in themselves.
But to preach about something without evidence isn't going to help anyone.
And to disregard other people who are talking based on their perspective's evidence is just dumb.
There's a massive community of science providing it's evidence of truth.
I'm not saying it can't be proven otherwise one day..
But in order to see what's most likely true.. you have to try to believe what someone with evidence says until you prove them otherwise.
And that's when debates come in..
Where we should discuss ideas on change of opposing ideas. When we both have evidence.
And ww should essentially, eventually, conclude to a sounding argument by listening to each other.
But nothing works when no one listens to each other or show love.. or better yet.
Peace.
Let's start with this hypocritical example of shameless bias??? Kool!!
Why would doctors and nurses make testimony videos saying how very wrongly the viruse is and was handled????
@@adsotbraz I don't know where your knowledge comes from, but until you have a covid-19 case in your family you shouldn't talk like you're the master of information.
@@igorrodrigues7382 ... Nobody in my family will ever get a virus that does not exist.
I've had it. You'll all get it eventually. Doesn't mean we stop living the way we want to.
@@igorrodrigues7382 this virus is so overblown. I haven't met a single person online and none of those people ever mentioned anyone they knew had it, besides a couple people. If there really were as many cases and deaths as they indoctrinate us with, then you think I would've seen more.
@@adsotbraz Yes, although it does exist and is slightly worse than earlier seasonal flus. I had it unknowingly, for 4 weeks, believing ti to be Smart-Meter disease (I had not informed myself about the c. for certain reasons)and have never had anything so strange or been that sick with the flu. High temp and never-ending DRY-cough, with the sensation as though there were a big something in my chest. We have corona and other vira inside us all the time, and research shows masks do not protect (of course), but on the contrary makes us more susceptible to catch it, by decreasing the Oxygen intake needed for life and elimination of toxins like vira. It also impacts us psychologically negative, as you say, as does the social isolation which also weakens immune defense.. Healthy ppl are to be out and about, quarantaine is for the sick. The old who have díed from deadly diseases got worse from the flu, like always happens, although they did not die from it, which is falsely spread.
When people live naturally with healthy habits , they have a strong immune defense that can withstand c. and other vira and bacteria.
I wonder what everyone will think 100 years from now learning about this in 5th grade social studies
They will say 135,000+ were dead before their leader wore a mask and some people denied a virus' existence as it affected millions.
I also wonder what a post-apocalyptic 5th grade class will look like...
^ a comment on a video called "Coronavirus & Conspiracy Theories" ^
They will refer to this as "the crazy times".
@@Huge_Echman um
The more I listen to Star Talk the more I like Chuk’s jokes.
not me
Michael Shermer has a rendering of Christopher Hitchens on the wall behind him. Smart, smart man. I approve 👍 👌 🖖💖
Yes. I approve too!
Ooooohhh. I thought it was Tony Soprano, which was baffling...
Sam Harris above?🙄
i'm gonna go with Tony Acosta and say it's Larry Flint
Who the heck is Christopher Hitchens and why should I care?
This is one of the programs which announces commercial breaks. TH-cam's AI seems to be unaware of these breaks and would rather interrupt NdGT mid-sentence, but not the other speakers. . . .
The best way to avoid conspiracy theories is through education and research
Conspiracy theorists are educated and do research, it's often to do with childhood problems like divorce, and any research they do is on sketchy websites and after that any real research they do is biased
@@spacedout4061 It's not really research if it's biased, it's just an attempt to prove that you are right regardless of reality
@@flavius7524 precisely, but they call it research anyway. I have seen the same thing with Christians, only using a single site to explain to you why they are right, despite the site being obviously biased and so are they
@@spacedout4061 but thats not research. they are using the word "research" but not really applying it, therefore is not research
No Regrets divorce makes you believe in conspiracy theories... are you just a joker?
This REALLY deserves more views... more people have to listen to this discussion so they can remember what being fair, really means. A lot of people have to start critically thinking, no matter how scared you are. It's important to hear every side before you cast any kind of judgement, and to understand that both sides should respect each other, at least in some degree.
Odd, I heard a few arrogant old guys chuckling like they had all the answers and anyone who though otherwise was a conspiracy theorist lunatic.
@@Single_moms_suck_at_life "I watched the 5 mins in video and already understood what the rest is about"
Right on the spot on the Free Country mentality! As a non-American it was a total CRINGE for us to throw that free country card on everything just because you dont want to obey.
Conspiracies are truths that people do not want to accept!
Watching your MasterClass Ad before watching Star Talk, Love it!
Nice touch in Michael Shermer's background: a portrait of Christopher Hitchens!
While most conspiracy theories are nonsense, but never forget that just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you...
theres nothing conspiracy about a theory
Was a fan of shermer for a long time, used regularly buy skeptic magazine. Forgot about him. Glad to find him again. Especially now
Are you in your “jammies” Neil?
Nice!
Looks like a track suit
Many conspiracy theorists don't think they're conspiracy theorists. I was working with a colleague who has all sorts of conspiracy ideas and actually said, "I don't want to get all conspiratorial ..."
"We wish to find the truth, no matter where it lies. But to find the truth we need imagination and skepticism both. We will not be afraid to speculate, but we will be careful to distinguish speculation from fact." - Carl Sagan
Every time Chuck plugs the Patrion Patrons for being their sponsors, I always get a baseball commentator vibe. Best voice 😁
You said it right. People forget that their rights ends where someone else rights began.
well, the problem is that you have been incriminated into thinking, that any kind of risk no matter how minuscule is worthy of abolishing freedom and individual responsibility in favor of a big government solution for your benefit ..but carry on pretending you can use any kind of critical thinking
this was so lovely, thank you very much! :) thoroughly enjoyed
Yes! I heard that Blue Oyster Cult song in my head and was so happy to see Chuck mention it! LOL
Same here 👍
Hats off to Chuck for the BOC reference! BOC - a band of numerous science and space themes in their songs.
One of the few people that Tyson can’t interrupt every 10 seconds. That’s very refreshing
There's a conspiracy theory for everything!! LOL😁
Sounds like a parody of Stephen Hawking's theory of everything.
What you call a 'conspiracy theory' may not actually be a conspiracy theory. There are many that are indeed conspiracy theories but yet many that do turn out to be true..
Neil wearing that grandpapa pimping robe. Lol flexing
No vaccine yet! But the medical doctors are working on the COVID 19 Virus
BigBrains: "Freedumb means I can do whatever I want."
Me: "Learn to fly."
Learning how to communicate honestly is like learning how to teach. It's a talent.
I'm surprised the Neill says at 6:23 "you need free speech to combat conspiracy theories". I believe that conspiracy theories can only flourish where free speech exists.
I am a huge believer in conspiracy theories, as they become a gateway to a field of research that I would not have gone down in my normal life, hence expanding my knowledge,
and interests in different subjects.
If someone was to call me a conspiracy theorist as a derogatory term, I simply ask them: How many buildings collapsed in New York on 9/11?
Strangely enough, the few people who I have asked that question, do not know the correct answer, so conversation over.... They are welcome to educate themselves on the answer.
So curating a magazine is different than schools selecting speakers? Does the 1st Ammt apply to a global private business, regardless if it seems better to be nationalized?
I work in diagnostics, and diagnostics is as much about find out what is/does work as finding what doesn't...
Honestly one of the best episodes I’ve watched in awhile (not saying I didn’t enjoy the previous ones) few questions and lots of big brain talk
The science DID change regarding the CDC's mask recommendation. They always recommended that infected individuals wear a mask to protect others from infection. What changed was the scientific realization that asymptomatic individuals (or at least individuals who do not recognize their symptoms of infection) were spreading COVID. Once that was clear, the recommendation was made that everyone mask, as no individual is aware of their own infectious status, as a means of protection others as if the individual is actually infected.
Then the WHO says that asymptomatic transmission is unlikely. Not saying we don't need to wear masks, there is apparently a distinction between asymptomatic and presymtomatic.
There was also the idea that your average masks won't protect the person who is wearing it from others' coughs and sneezes carrying the virus. And also the fact that because the US federal government didn't use its powers to ramp up production of PPE, there were shortages of masks, so governments were actively telling people NOT to buy masks.
Now it's about masks being community efforts to prevent transmission. Your mask is for me and my mask is for you, etc.
That's a lot of evolution in a short period of time, but that's how things go sometimes.
Explain this: why does Neil and other true scientists never mention real scientific studies that prove that cloth, surgical, and n95 masks are not effective. Univ of minn has very very in-depth information on this but people ignore these studies and say just believe whatever the man in the suit says
@@Jay-om8gr Because they are perpetuating the narrative that we should wear masks. A majority of the studies supporting masks efficacy are not Randomized controlled trials...which are considered to provide the strongest evidence. I think this is all a big experiment to learn how easy it is to manipulate and control the population. Something much bigger and worse than COVID-19 is coming. This is only the beginning
@@davidbradley2316 There is nothing to learn, it is a known fact that masses are easy to control, at least the uneducated "know-it-all" mass of people. Even if the efficiency of masks isn't very high, it is enough to mitigate a considerable amount of damage, but the sad fact is that many people don't even put it correctly, at least in my country. There are many (especially old, but not only) people that put it just on the mouth, or take it away when they speak, so that can be an important factor too.
Y'all are down to earth awesome.
Neil my friend I am watching this two years later and I think it’s funny that it has since been proven that COVID-19 was leaked out of a lab in Wuhan😂
My two favourite guys! T&N : Tyson & Nice!
Eddie Bravo needs a chill pill
LOOK INTO IT BRO!
People that don’t want to be vaccinated “pose no harm those that have been vaccinated”.
Yes they do. Are you serious? Why is this in quotes?
"The minute you believe there's someone is behind the scenes pulling the strings"... It's called 'going down the rabbit hole'...
The problem is that most of the time that "rabbit hole" doesn't exist, unfortunately there are just the right amount of genuine rabbit holes where conspiracy theories can't/shouldn't be dismissed outright.
@@arandom1024 unfortunately there are still theories that can be disproved and dismissed pretty easily due to overwhelming evidence to the contrary, for example, the flat earth conspiracy
If you have to suppose something exists for which you have no evidence or indication, that must exist in order for your theoretical conspiracy to exist, then the conspiracy probably doesn't exist.
@@ice9snowflake187 is it not plausible that we let 911 happen to invade a foreign country (that had nothing to do with it) lol?
@@randyx007 It's plausible, but there's more to it. Anyway what's the point, by now?
I love Neil's master class ad!! I just wanted to express that.
I will never download raid shadow legends
I'm in
You’re free to not do that den
These guys are incredibly entertaining all while being extremely educational. My favorite TH-cam channel for sure
36:00 I like how he admitted that the government lied about not needing mask inorder to protect themselves due to their not being enough mask at first but then quickly changed the subject talking about learning new info instead of talking about how the government lied.
You've got it all wrong, friend. Needing to wear the mask is the lie.
Wearing a mask is the sheep following the lies spewed by government and the Elite owned maistream media.
8:37 "Hey don't lump me in with craziss"😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
That building 7 free fall collapse always had me scratching my head. No plane hit it . .. just saying Shermer
Show your evidence.
@@ChrisPage68Search:
"building seven" +"pull it"
Interesting conversation. I enjoyed alot of what was said before the end.
Revisit your Corona virus conspiracy theory segment. What a difference a few years makes.
In the 1950s we only doubted used car salesmen . I can't even take my own word for anything anymore.
Thank you StarTalk for being the voice of reason in these times
Great episode. As always, I learned alot. Thank you
There is plenty of evidence to suggest controlled demolition took down the 3 trade center towers, while the idea of them falling at near free fall with the 2 main towers collapsing top to bottom with less mass on top accelerating into more mass seems unlikely(unless Newton's laws changed). But I'm sure your career is more important than facts.
They just try to sweep WTC7 under the rug. After building 7 I will never trust any kool aid this government is peddling. The arrogance of these speakers is hurting a lot of people, are they really ignorant of what embalmers are telling us?
“You can’t drive on the left side of the road”
Me, listening during a drive in Japan 👀
As a British chess champion I approve of the cover of this bloke's book.
Brought to you by Pfizer..
Love how youtube slaps their “coronavirus ‘facts’” disclaimer on this, thank you overlords I is dumb
@KingTater, it's not quite that simplistic. You can't negate everything someone says because they have a political view point. The view point might make sense to a side that you don't agree with, but some of the information may be correct.
@@LaoZi2023 you're right, some of the info is correct. Like when the WHO said asymptomatic people have not been shown to transmit the disease. But they're also led by Tedros, a gofer for the WHO's biggest funder, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
Gotta push that narrative, they are controlling the sheep through scare tactics.
Like the painting of Christopher Hitchins Mike.. ✨
@2:00 At first I thought that was a really impressive water droplet gloss decal on the cover of the book...
Now the CDC just lost all data
Great conversation about conspiracies, lies, truths, science and perception about the world's current event: COVID-19.
And VERY recent!
My recollection for the masks change was that your mask does not significantly protect you from getting the virus, but there was a point we realized how easily it spreads so someone who is sick but not not realize it wearing a mask will protect me - therefore start wearing masks - not to protect yourself, but to protect others from you. Yes, the supply chain was involved, too.
The way Shermer answers every question by diverting it to an area he is about familiar with.
Question - light from Sun 🌞 is red and orange but same light reflected from 🌕 moon is white ? Why, same light , same atmosphere why different colors. Please help 🥺
In order to change someone's mind you first have to show them you're on their side... Showing some common ground. "Yea I hate Hillary too" kind of a thing... You also have to know the common argument points and how to counter them... This is not hard as people tend to all parrot the same thing and only know how to argue against parroted argument... Usually I see liberals and conservatives just parroting back and forth...
The problem is that even if you do change their mind.. they'll forget as soon as they go back into their echo chamber... So you have to sneak in an anti echo chamber argument
I was internally outraged when I heard co-workers talk about going to stores without a mask. So I've done the same thing in an attempt to bridge the gap and perhaps convert the "idiots" around me who don't wear a mask and dare to go into public to buy stuff. Well...I've started to change my tune. We should be seeing refrigeration trucks driving through neighborhoods collecting bodies...based on what the media has been selling.
i think our belief are deeply integrated in our personalities i been trying for years to show people who don't believe in science and tolerance to change and some listen but others are as closed as dead person
But "Yeah I hate Hillary too" isn't just showing you're on their side, it's participating in the conspiracy theory.
@@gyozakeynsianism theres plenty to hate about hrc no matter where you are on the political spectrum
I like the bit: "Most people are fairly incompetent" at 28:35. These brilliant plots to take over the world while staying invisible doesn't match human abilities.