They will go down. Every small business owner got govt funds. This led to the spike. Those funds are gone, cost of capital is up so now we see depreciation. In another year all these people who bought in 2021/2022 will be selling which will spike supply. I own a dealership fwiw.
When interest rates stop increasing then used prices will stabilise and resume a slow downward drift (not very noticeable depreciation). Mainly due to the economy resetting and the cost of a new supercar being significantly more than previously. The limited edition and ‘GT3’ type cars should do well though if they are special enough and if they are bought at the the right price
I enjoy your channel and you data driven analysis. I'm sure you will not get an overwhelming request for this as there simply were not many produced, however perhaps you might find it interesting to examine how low production cars do. I am specifically speaking about the M2cs.
Love your work! I have been analyzing the car market for regular cars my whole adult life. I would be really interested in hearing your thoughts on the Porsche heritage models. The Sport Classic and the upcoming 992 S/T (2.August )?
That is great to hear! It is always difficult to predict future price developments. Typically, these 'special' models spike after their introduction after which they come down and stabilize. For example, 911 R's spiked, decreased, and have been flat since january 2022. The newer Speedster, on the other hand, decreased by 6% during last year. But I expect them to stabilize. This is all for the US market by the way. Unfortunately, i do not have any data yet for the European market. P.s. Congrats on the latest additions to the garage! Amazing cars.
OP, what are 2017 Carrera S with low miles and a build sheet of 137k are right now? While you can’t predict future prices where do you see these going? Thanks.
Great video again. Is the next cayman analysis due soon? I’m very interested in a GT4 and trying to decide on 981 or 718. I think that the 981might be safer for depreciation than a 718 where there is so much supply. But in the uk, there is only a 20% price difference between 981 and 718 and if the 718 falls in value then it will still depress the values of the 981 a little.
@@fourwheeltrader thanks! I’m tracking the uk market and find the USA information thought-provoking and useful as the USA is often a little bit ahead of the rest of the world
Great info, as always. I monitor many classifieds for Porsches, incl FB Marketplace. I don't see many selling and a lot have old prices crossed out with new, lower prices listed there. We haven't hit bottom yet.
Great analysis, well said yet again. Reasons behind it? IMO, owned many Porsches and the new ones whilst fast (not useable on the road) and comfortable they lack soul and engagement. I have considered selling my new 3 to go back to a 993 or 997 4.0RS. I want the engagement, hence the classics are holding or going up.
What about the insanity which has engulfed the "Porsche 993 generation" prices. Do you see them correcting any time soon, to prepandemic or early pandemic levels. Turbo were selling before 2021 at $150 now same car sells for $250++
Crazy isn't it. Had a turbo for 10yrs (loved it!), sold late 21 thinking I got a fair price, now A$580 (US$400). Fark! But I also understand why. Due to Singer and alike resto's, you can't get 964s, so the last of the good air cooled are 993s, before they get used for resto's. I am hunting for C2S, rare, but best of the last none turbo. PS, IMO, my 993turbo is better than my 992GT3. Lots of soul and passion, and plenty of power.
No longer porsche 992 shortage in europe(maybe UK is still different), 992 TTS available in showrooms etc. Gt3 definitely obtainable without muchb buying history, if at all
I'm guessing we're going to get a significantly bifurcated market soon. Electric cars are inevitable, and the unique traits of electric cars make them amazing for daily driving, but uninspiring as sports cars (with the exception of supercars, where they augment the ICE using their best traits). That being the case, daily driver ICE cars will eventually crash in price. This may be a while into the future. Sports cars, especially non-super cars, will bottom sooner and at higher values than historical patterns. Electric cars just aren't as fun as ICE for sports car applications. People are gobbling ICE sports cars up right now in order to lock in their "forever ICE" sports car. They'll find their favorite, and keep it forever. I see/hear a lot of people doing this, and the dwindling supply (that I'm anecdotally seeing) seems to fit that. This is especially true for certain spec cars: manual transmissions. I just picked up my "forever ICE" car in a 991.1 with manual transmission. It took me forever to find one! Suspect this will continue. May see price drops, but they'll be shallower and bottom sooner.
I think ur mind will bE blown if u look into the Porsche aircool market. (356 to 993). It’s almost annoying that rust buckets with no AC, leaks oil all the time, doesn’t work at higher elevations, parts and labor are super pricey and something that will most certainly kill u in any kind of collision, cost so much and continue to go up in value. Just how much are boomers buying into the nostalgia. Now that half the parking lot at a cars and coffee is filled with them ,they are not that cool anymore, all looking the same. How can someone seriously believe these cars are more engaging to drive and designed with more passion than old lambos or Ferraris for the same money…german passion is too logical to compete with italians… whether it’s the cars today or those made 75 years ago 😂
Just subscribed and watched over a dozen of your videos... finally someone who understands/appreciates data analysis and is willing to put those together into actionable information. I imagine a lot of your viewers are like myself and want enthusiast/cool cars that we can drive regularly without worrying too much about depreciation. Given the economic climate and expectations, I'd suggest expanding your expertise into desirable/unusual cars that live at a lower price point but still have appreciation potential. There a lot of models in the U.S. with annual production of 500 to 25,000 where there's even more data than you're used to but nobody is doing data-driven succinct analyses. As interesting as cars from $75,000-$250,000 are, I think you'd increase viewership a lot more by incorporating more used cars that younger/less well-heeled people who are savvy enough to appreciate your insights may be considering. There are many $25,000-$50,000 cars with huge appreciation/inflation-proof potential that I think people would love to get your analyses for. Examples (I know you've done a couple of these): Cadillac CTS-V | ATS-V | V-Series of CT4, CT5, CT6 BMW M models across the range Audi TT RS | RS models Pontiac GTO | G8 GXP Dodge/SRT Viper | Ram SRT-10 | SRT trims across model range Lexus IS F | RC F | GS F Chevrolet SS
How much for a 987.1 cayman S with 50k of goodies like a full jrz set up,full maintenance record and prevention issues taken care of like ims/rms/aos basically a GT4 before a GT4??? Oh and garage kept.
Japanese domestic market (JDM ) sports and performance models from the mid to late 90s have risen ALOT over the last 4-5 yrs. As the Fast and the Furious generation grow up they are now at the stage of earning good money and they can afford the Play Station cars they grew up racing as teenagers. Try and buy an R32 GTR, a Mk4 Supra Turbo, an FD RX7, an MR2 Turbo, a Celica GT4, an NSX etc etc these days. They are pricy here in Australia, anyway. If you bought a good one and have kept it fairly factory spec you will have seen (like me) a BIG spike in demand and the price people are willing to pay.
That is a good suggestion. I saw some articles that prices went nuts in that segment following the possibility to import them. Unfortunately, i am not that knowledgable (yet) about that market.
Thank goodness the market is finally correcting. Best car price analysis channel in the game!
Fantastic vehicle analysis video, very informative, truly the best car channel on TH-cam for sure. Keep up the excellent work
Thanks!
Automatic vs Gated V8 R8 vs V10 R8!
*What do you think will happend with prices for sports- and supercars?*
Они будут расти в цене, вне зависимости от года производства и модели
It depends on what will happen to inflation
They will go down. Every small business owner got govt funds. This led to the spike. Those funds are gone, cost of capital is up so now we see depreciation. In another year all these people who bought in 2021/2022 will be selling which will spike supply. I own a dealership fwiw.
When interest rates stop increasing then used prices will stabilise and resume a slow downward drift (not very noticeable depreciation). Mainly due to the economy resetting and the cost of a new supercar being significantly more than previously. The limited edition and ‘GT3’ type cars should do well though if they are special enough and if they are bought at the the right price
Your research is amazing, so much detail. Have you ever studied the Alpine A110 market? I would love to see an analysis done by you on this sportscar!
Thanks. Not yet, I have mainly focused on the US market. Not sure if they are sold there?
@@fourwheeltrader no they aren't. I guess in the US 1.8l is an appropriate engine capacity for a motorcycle, not a sportscar :)
Can you make a vídeo for the european market?
I enjoy your channel and you data driven analysis. I'm sure you will not get an overwhelming request for this as there simply were not many produced, however perhaps you might find it interesting to examine how low production cars do. I am specifically speaking about the M2cs.
That is great to hear. I will cover the M2 market in the upcoming months.
@@fourwheeltraderyes, I would love to know your thoughts on the M2CS as an investment.
Like this market recap
Love your work! I have been analyzing the car market for regular cars my whole adult life.
I would be really interested in hearing your thoughts on the Porsche heritage models. The Sport Classic and the upcoming 992 S/T (2.August )?
That is great to hear! It is always difficult to predict future price developments. Typically, these 'special' models spike after their introduction after which they come down and stabilize. For example, 911 R's spiked, decreased, and have been flat since january 2022. The newer Speedster, on the other hand, decreased by 6% during last year. But I expect them to stabilize. This is all for the US market by the way. Unfortunately, i do not have any data yet for the European market.
P.s. Congrats on the latest additions to the garage! Amazing cars.
@@fourwheeltrader Yes, very challenging but also very interesting to analyze why they are likely to do so. That would be a great video for sure!
OP, what are 2017 Carrera S with low miles and a build sheet of 137k are right now? While you can’t predict future prices where do you see these going?
Thanks.
Great show
Great vid thank you
Great video. How,about demon 170 impact on the original 2018 demon?
Do you have a video for the Urus?
The price trend for the urus is included in the g wagon video.
Thank you! Will take a look
I still get quoted $50k ADM at dealers in NJ and NYC...when will it crack!
Great video again. Is the next cayman analysis due soon? I’m very interested in a GT4 and trying to decide on 981 or 718. I think that the 981might be safer for depreciation than a 718 where there is so much supply. But in the uk, there is only a 20% price difference between 981 and 718 and if the 718 falls in value then it will still depress the values of the 981 a little.
Thanks. I think that i will the GT4 market in the end of August. Unfortunately, I do not have any GT4 data for the UK market.
@@fourwheeltrader thanks! I’m tracking the uk market and find the USA information thought-provoking and useful as the USA is often a little bit ahead of the rest of the world
Please include the 987 with the info on the newer gens.
Lotus Esprit. Can you take a look at this market please. Seems to be a bit of an anomaly.
2019 Z06 and ZR1, last year of the Corvette front engine. The ZR1 is crazy priced and Z06 is like at or above new msrp.
Great info, as always. I monitor many classifieds for Porsches, incl FB Marketplace. I don't see many selling and a lot have old prices crossed out with new, lower prices listed there. We haven't hit bottom yet.
can you do a video on the gas combustion collectors car in the face of EV? Younger generation may not embrace engined cars anymore ?
Great analysis, well said yet again. Reasons behind it? IMO, owned many Porsches and the new ones whilst fast (not useable on the road) and comfortable they lack soul and engagement. I have considered selling my new 3 to go back to a 993 or 997 4.0RS. I want the engagement, hence the classics are holding or going up.
Could you please conduct an analysis of Porsche GT3 Touring , I would greatly appreciate it.
Coming up next week.
What about the insanity which has engulfed the "Porsche 993 generation" prices. Do you see them correcting any time soon, to prepandemic or early pandemic levels. Turbo were selling before 2021 at $150 now same car sells for $250++
Crazy isn't it. Had a turbo for 10yrs (loved it!), sold late 21 thinking I got a fair price, now A$580 (US$400). Fark! But I also understand why. Due to Singer and alike resto's, you can't get 964s, so the last of the good air cooled are 993s, before they get used for resto's. I am hunting for C2S, rare, but best of the last none turbo.
PS, IMO, my 993turbo is better than my 992GT3. Lots of soul and passion, and plenty of power.
Used to be 35 ~ 50 % lower than current price
Better off purchasing new hypercar or supercar
And wait until the market value goes down again
No longer porsche 992 shortage in europe(maybe UK is still different), 992 TTS available in showrooms etc. Gt3 definitely obtainable without muchb buying history, if at all
BMW M2!
I'm guessing we're going to get a significantly bifurcated market soon. Electric cars are inevitable, and the unique traits of electric cars make them amazing for daily driving, but uninspiring as sports cars (with the exception of supercars, where they augment the ICE using their best traits). That being the case, daily driver ICE cars will eventually crash in price. This may be a while into the future. Sports cars, especially non-super cars, will bottom sooner and at higher values than historical patterns. Electric cars just aren't as fun as ICE for sports car applications. People are gobbling ICE sports cars up right now in order to lock in their "forever ICE" sports car. They'll find their favorite, and keep it forever. I see/hear a lot of people doing this, and the dwindling supply (that I'm anecdotally seeing) seems to fit that. This is especially true for certain spec cars: manual transmissions.
I just picked up my "forever ICE" car in a 991.1 with manual transmission. It took me forever to find one! Suspect this will continue. May see price drops, but they'll be shallower and bottom sooner.
More 997 GT3 data please
Coming up next week.
@@fourwheeltrader Yesssssss
I think ur mind will bE blown if u look into the Porsche aircool market. (356 to 993). It’s almost annoying that rust buckets with no AC, leaks oil all the time, doesn’t work at higher elevations, parts and labor are super pricey and something that will most certainly kill u in any kind of collision, cost so much and continue to go up in value. Just how much are boomers buying into the nostalgia. Now that half the parking lot at a cars and coffee is filled with them ,they are not that cool anymore, all looking the same. How can someone seriously believe these cars are more engaging to drive and designed with more passion than old lambos or Ferraris for the same money…german passion is too logical to compete with italians… whether it’s the cars today or those made 75 years ago 😂
Just subscribed and watched over a dozen of your videos... finally someone who understands/appreciates data analysis and is willing to put those together into actionable information.
I imagine a lot of your viewers are like myself and want enthusiast/cool cars that we can drive regularly without worrying too much about depreciation. Given the economic climate and expectations, I'd suggest expanding your expertise into desirable/unusual cars that live at a lower price point but still have appreciation potential. There a lot of models in the U.S. with annual production of 500 to 25,000 where there's even more data than you're used to but nobody is doing data-driven succinct analyses.
As interesting as cars from $75,000-$250,000 are, I think you'd increase viewership a lot more by incorporating more used cars that younger/less well-heeled people who are savvy enough to appreciate your insights may be considering. There are many $25,000-$50,000 cars with huge appreciation/inflation-proof potential that I think people would love to get your analyses for.
Examples (I know you've done a couple of these):
Cadillac CTS-V | ATS-V | V-Series of CT4, CT5, CT6
BMW M models across the range
Audi TT RS | RS models
Pontiac GTO | G8 GXP
Dodge/SRT Viper | Ram SRT-10 | SRT trims across model range
Lexus IS F | RC F | GS F
Chevrolet SS
Thanks a lot for your suggestions.
How much for a 987.1 cayman S with 50k of goodies like a full jrz set up,full maintenance record and prevention issues taken care of like ims/rms/aos basically a GT4 before a GT4??? Oh and garage kept.
Imagine buying an sf90 and losing 20% already yeesh
boxster s update. particularly the 2003 models. thank you. great videos.
Japanese domestic market (JDM ) sports and performance models from the mid to late 90s have risen ALOT over the last 4-5 yrs.
As the Fast and the Furious generation grow up they are now at the stage of earning good money and they can afford the Play Station cars they grew up racing as teenagers.
Try and buy an R32 GTR, a Mk4 Supra Turbo, an FD RX7, an MR2 Turbo, a Celica GT4, an NSX etc etc these days.
They are pricy here in Australia, anyway. If you bought a good one and have kept it fairly factory spec you will have seen (like me) a BIG spike in demand and the price people are willing to pay.
That is a good suggestion. I saw some articles that prices went nuts in that segment following the possibility to import them. Unfortunately, i am not that knowledgable (yet) about that market.
BMW G80 M3
Mclaren 600 lt
2023-GT3RS asking $600,000 😂😂😂