“I’m gonna learn Japanese!” “I have to learn how to learn Japanese!” “I have to learn how to learn a language!” “I have to learn how to look for language learning resources!” “so… when do I start?”
You just keep studying, hit walls, improve as you go and eventually you will find out what is a waste of time and what isn't for you. That's it. Good luck!
Instead of thinking about learning a language you should just do it! Do you think a baby worries about these things when they first start using their mother tongue? No! They just try and fail, take small steps every day and after some months both you and the baby will be able to create basic sentences. I never really advise people to use language apps like Duolingo or Babbel, but it's better than nothing, so at least invest 15 minutes a day into that and after a while you'll start to notice how much progress you've made.
Pick a good method and stick with. You need to get a foundation of the vocab and the kanji. For my part I use the Anki flashcard deck made from Japanese core 2k and I removed all the individual words and only kept the phrases. Phrases are easier to learn and give you context with words. 2k words is equivalent to B1 in a European language. It's a solid foundation that allows you to get into native content, then it's just a question of making flashcards with unknown words or just checking the dictionary when you don't get something. When you reach around 5k vocab words you know enough to consistently learn from context, at this point studying becomes just an option to speed things up or to polish your skills
Your struggle speaks to me. lol I've tried to learn japanese several times and I'm just now starting to feel like I understand how to learn and how to use the tools I have to achieve some results. ^^;; I'm also learning to not push myself to the point where I stop absorbing.. I honestly feel like that point hit's faster than it does for most people, but if I learn 10 words a day using anki, 5 days a week even, that's thousands of vocab words in a year.. so that's what I'm doing. It FEELS slow, but I'm steadily learning more and more. But yes, I empathize with the massive amount of time spent just figuring out how to start/learn. One skill I need more work on is figuring out how to change what I'm doing without feeling like I'm starting over in some way. lol
I started learning about a year ago, and haven't made much progress simply because it is very difficult to learn one language when you're surrounded by another. My girlfriend (who happens to be Japanese) also has this issue, she speaks great English, but it overwhelms her on occasions. She does communicate with me in Japanese, and I can more-or-less understand her, which personally I think is strange, as when she messages me in Japanese, I usually have to translate certain words. I'm on a very slow roll, but some of the options presented today may help me slide back into the learning process.
Isn't it super interesting how you can understand things when you hear them, but it's harder when you read? I think having the context of bodily gestures, eye contact, and natural rhythm of speaking helps. Reading is always going to be slower when learning so that makes it more difficult. But you'll get there! I hope some of these ideas can help!
@@ToKiniAndy It certainly is strange. Once, she showed me a video of her dad speaking, they are from Osaka, and her dad speaks in a very heavy Kansai dialect. She asked me what he was saying after, and on a whim I said "he's talking about flavours?" And I was right, he was discussing the taste of beer and why he didn't like it. I barely understood a word, yet I somehow was correct in guessing the context!
That's actually quite a common problem Chris. I definitely hear you, as in the beginning I was the same. The trick is surprisingly counter-intuitive. Instead of trying to catch each word or piece of grammar, the trick is actually to physically try to relax, and sort of catch the overall idea. It sounds silly, but this works really really well. You probably won't pick up a TON of new words this way, but you WILL actually be able to have a conversation more comfortably. If you notice there was something you didn't understand, you just ignore it, and see if you can pick up the overall idea around it. If, after listening to everything being said to you, you think that that single word has tripped you up, asking someone to repeat themselves, or asking what X means will get you there the rest of the time. =) It takes a while to get used to accepting that you're not going to understand every word, but it's worth struggling through that!
This video is very timely for me considering I am basically starting my Japanese language learning over again. I had studied Japanese many moons ago while I was on Okinawa for a year but got overwhelmed and dropped it once I was back in the states. Recently I became interested in learning Japanese language again to understand the lyrics in Japanese music and possibly attending a Robotic convention in Kyoto in October. I did purchase the Genki 3rd edition book and am finding the Genki Lesson videos and material on ToKini Andy with Andy, Yuki and now Mami very helpful. I will certainly be signing up for the ToKini Andy course which I believe will help greatly in my learning. Also, it looks like I have more books to buy and an another reason to break out the DS again. Any thoughts on the Japanese for Busy People series by AJALT? Thanks for sharing this video.
I didn’t personally like Japanese for Busy People when I tried it out 9 or 10 years ago, but I do know that some people like it. It doesn’t hurt to give it a shot. I might have to do a full review of it again, regardless, because I don’t remember much from it. I think it’s great that your giving it another shot! I hope that, if you jump into the course I hope that you will find it useful in your journey! Thank you for watching. =)
@@ToKiniAndy see I really want to learn to READ Japanese. I'm not as concerned with learning to speak it because I'm American and I live in America. But I really want to learn how to read it because so many of the best classic novels and horror novels are written in Japanese with no English translation 😭😭 and I am obsessed with Asian horror I just think it's so much scarier and better than Western horror is. So I'm more concerned with learning to read it vs getting the pronunciation right
Im nearing the end of Genki 2 and can say that playing games and reading definitely improves your Japanese!! Seeing Japanese in context is just way more beneficial then drilling grammar. I do need waaaay more listening/speaking practice though which is the hard part so Im trying to listen more and write more so I can actually easily speak sentences. Sometimes I still struggle to get words out for basic sentences haha
Finding games with voice acting, and reading along with the audiobook are great ways to improve listening while doing what you’re already doing! =) But yeah, it definitely takes time!
Tips to learn Japanese more efficiently: - Do NOT attempt to learn more than one language at once. If in doubt, learn the one that you're most interested in. - Repeat every letter/word/sentence out loud to get a closer pronunciation (tip from Teuida). - Avoid trying to learn everything at one sitting to prevent yourself from forgetting words. - Try to memorize kana/kanji stroke order for more efficient writing. - If you feel unmotivated and/or tired, take a break and proceed your learning after a while and remember: you can do it! - Watch anime and practice singing in Japanese. They will help you to increase your vocabulary. - Try not to skip the difficult parts of learning. They may be essential. - Get yourself a partner conversation or use Teuida! - Use your Japanese knowledge in daily occasions (Example: whenever you're going upstairs, count every step in Japanese). - After finishing your studying session, write out everything you have learned so far, physically (pencil and paper) or virtually (note pad app on phone/computer) - Keep watching this video as many times as possible for days or weeks. It is not possible to learn everything in a few moments. Now, I wish you, the reader, a very happy learning, do not give up and give it your all! がんばってください! 💪✌️
In my opinion, do we really need to learn things like stroke order nowadays? Unless you're going to work at a Japanese company that requires you to write things with pen and paper, computers and phones will do the job as long as you can read the kanji.
Learning stroke order is natural, we learn it in English too. However you end up writing will develop as a byproduct of that plus your natural style. I find it good to learn at least. I suppose if you plan to never handwrite anything then it won't matter sure.
@@fluttzkrieg4392 it's not that hard to learn as it is systemized, but if you still don't feel like learning that, it's okay. It really depends on your reasons and goals for learning Japanese, you might as well never need it
Idk what to do bcs I’m currently attending an after school club that teaches Korean and I’ve already attended it for a year and I’ve gotten many certificates etc however I’m moving as an exchange to japan next year so I’m not sure what to do because I can’t cancel my exchange and I can’t leave the club
The kanji are pretty time consuming but very important to building vocabulary, since so much of Japanese is compound kanji from their Chinese readings. And you feel kinda stupid when you can't read words you know. Otherwise it just takes time and consistent interest. The kanji are really what make people learn on again off again over years and years, and without a scheduling program to help you review them gradually over an extended period of time, hard to just chip away at. Otherwise I think more people would succeed, given their strong interest.
Yeah, kanji is definitely a challenge unique to Japanese and Chinese. I can completely understand the difficulty. Speaking of scheduling, I completely forgot to mention combining RTK with Anki or some kind of SRS in this video. I better add that to the pinned comment! Thanks for reminding me (even if you’re talking about scheduling your time, hehe).
Been self studying for 2.5 years. I definitely have weak points because I’ve often switched my method/materials to keep myself engaged. Trust the process. I’m still years away from my desired level.
I now have my own kanji series here on TH-cam! I'd recommend THIS (amzn.to/3AI21t7 ) game INSTEAD of 漢検トレーニング２ for Kanji now. I didn't have it when I filmed this video, but it's DEFINITELY better.
@@callmejobson I wonder how many of the used versions can be shipped to the USA from Japan. I know it’s definitely possible to order from Japan in the USA, but not positive about used stuff. In the mean time, yes, 漢検トレーニング2 was a good time. =)
Been learning it for 2 years now, and the best i can do is memorize common kanji (ex 行 ), write in fluent hiragana/katakana, and understand very very simple phrases. Its been difficult but also fun! Tofugo has been SO helpful for me
Do you use WaniKani? If not then i can just recommend it. I followed the tofugu guides and started learning kanji with WaniKani immediately after finishing Hiragana and it's a lot of fun and i can actually recognize about 70 Kanjis in just under 2 weeks. And i've only studied 30-60 minutes per day
Hey Andy, loving the direction you're taking the channel. Your early Genki guides helped me start my journey a year back, glad you're still making content!
Respect for not underestimating what you did do as a beginner. Many people say they would have just skipped RTK because, imo, they don't know how badly off they'd be without it.
This is so helpful! I've just started Genki 2 and I feel like I'm constantly changing up my study routine, I only recently started doing graded listening practice and its been a game changer for me. It's so hard to find effective ways of studying when you're a beginner. I did find a really good app for ipad called Kanji!. It teaches you the stroke order so you drill each kanji by writing it out correctly, and it includes words that contain the kanji you have learned so far. Would definitely recommend it :)
What a coincidence! I also use that kanji app as well. It is really helpful. I think the app is a great replacement for the Kanji 3ds game that he talked about in the video.
I agree with these tips! One thing I want to emphasize is shadowing! My goal in learning Japanese was to be able to read and listen so I didn't really much pay attention to speaking. But if I were to start again, I definitely would, because right now, after two years of learning, I began to appreciate how speaking dramatically improves reading and listening. So yeah, speak speak speak, rinse and repeat. Your Japanese brain will thank you. Don't make the same mistakes like I did.
Where would you suggest to learn Japanese? I've been trying Duolingo and Busuu but the only other alternative I can think of is to just google phrases I want to know, but google translate is often wrong
Do U still need suggestions on Japanese learning I can give u some idea that will help U grasping the whole thing. First suggestion would be follow this guy and search playlist videos of this guy If U need Reply
I am a Chinese and have been learning Japanese for 1 month already. There is a super friendly Chinese app called 小语大师 which is the most useful Japanese-learning app for me!! So addictive
Another awesome video! While I'm not looking to start over, I'm pretty early in my Japanese learning journey so it's good to hear what you would have changed if you were to start from the beginning. :)
The Organic Japanese youtube channel is absolutely mindblowing - I've been studying for five years and the textbooks did not tell us these logical tips to "conjugations". Great suggestions. Subscribed for more great resources!
My tip: learn Chinese first 😆 Just kidding, but... having some knowledge of another Asian language will help A LOT. Chinese and Japanese are both syllabic languages; they have no inflection; they both use particles; and of course Japanese uses kanji. Photographic memory helped me learn Chinese at university and it's helping me with Japanese now.
I would like to throw in the idea of the Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course. The book uses mneomics and radicals, but it also gives you vocab. Each kanji has about 2 vocab words that have an O so you know which one is one of the more important ones to learn. RTK teaches you basically meanings and recognition, but you literally gain no vocab. The KKLC though is supported with the fantastic kanji study app and it has all the graded reading sets in one convenient place. Not only that, but learning about 5 kanji a day will be tremendously helpful so long as you can keep up with it.
It's interesting to see how different everyone approaches Japanese learning. Your Yomichan+Anki guide was the golden ticket for me a while back! Thanks for that ^^
It's been almost 2 years since I personally started learning Japanese and I am looking to take the N2 this december (fingers crossed). And I can relate with many of your points in this video! Especially for me speaking has been a huge problem when learning languages (Chinese is my second language but I don't have confidence in speaking it). So in order to avoid that for Japanese, I started making it a point to take conversation lessons this year during summer break.
Every person is different. It ultimately depends on you and there’s no true quick way. Personally I’ve been writing down every kanji, katakana and hiragana everyday and giving myself quizzes. At the same time I’m learning words and use flash cards to memorize em
From my experience living in Japan for 15 years and speaking Japanese , my best tips would be , speak speak speak , learn substitute words and learn how to explain something rather than focus only on subjectives. Stuff like , if you don’t know what scissors are , you can explain it and people will fill in the blanks for you and over time your vocabulary will grow. A very useful word I recommend is やつ。 Explanations -> Insert やつ People will ohhh you mean scissors ? It’s tedious early on but it’s really helpful. Don’t feel discouraged when you sound like a 4 year old for the first half a year. Focus on listening Comprehension and speaking. Reading later unless it’s your prime focus. Find something you enjoy consuming but do it in Japanese . Game reviews , TH-cam , etc. Obviously you would need to start with regular basic grammar and than apply above. People who only sit through books studying kanji in my experience rarly excel later on when you actually get exposed to Japanese in real life
1:15 I know you are trying to discourage it, but for those that are interested he did an interview with the Doth and Kanji Eater: th-cam.com/video/Vv234kZdBgs/w-d-xo.html . I honestly think only 1% have the potential of even doing what he did. Learning and remembering an average of 40 new words a day for 250 days in a foreign language with a different alphabet is insane. And on top of that doing immersion to grasp the words true meaning and usage. When I first started a year ago I tried learning 50 new words a day. It was not possible. My brain was so fried it could only recall like 8 words. Also just because you go slow does not mean you won't have a weak spot. If you've never written kanji, even after 3 years, you won't be able to write kanji from memory. Anyone still reading good luck with your language learning goals.
My goal with Japanese is to just consume media from Japan that hasn’t been translated. Because of that, almost day one, I played Pokemon Sword after learning some higarana and kana (there’s a language option on that game specifically for no kanji, so its great for super beginners). I would try my best to read and it really helped with some words. Granted, my goal is to play and read more stuff, and probably never speak it.
Ah I've been studying Japanese for just over a year now and there have been so many days where I doubt myself and feel like I haven't made any progress. I have one friend who lives in Japan and that helps me a lot, but even with only listening to Japanese music, podcasts,shows and playing all of my games in Japanese I still feel like I have barely scratched the surface 🥲 I dedicate a lot of my time to this because it's very important to me. I'm finally getting to a point where I can recognize patterns, hear/tell the difference between similar words and very basic sentences😅 I do have ADHD and learning disabilities so I try to be patient with myself, it takes me a very long time to really learn things🥲 the language makes me very happy and I appreciate studying it☺️ I'll focus more on these tips!😭
Japanese is very different from English, so it takes a longgg time, more time than most languages. It sounds like you are making some progress, though. Keep noticing what seems to work best for you and what you enjoy, and just keep it up
hey fellow adhd brain!! i, too, am trying to be patient as i learn, but i have merely just started my journey!! i have the mindset that im interested for life, and am trying to be kind to myself with the time involved, confident that eventually it's going to integrate into my daily living and hopefully in a decade or so, i'll be able to take a decent inventory of my growth! Keep moving forward, mate!!
In just a couple months I’m going to meet with my Japanese grandparents and family. And I felt honestly a little embarrassed knowing I might not be able to connect with them as close as I could. So I’m just reading as many books as I can and playing learning games already having a basic understanding. Hoping this helps!
My mom's side of the family is Japanese, but I live in America and my dad is African, when my mom called her parents all I could say was "wakarenai" and "gomen" so now I'm trying my best, next time I talk to them I hope I can say a bit more
As a begginer learner, i’m in my ~8th month of learning japanese and I still don’t even feel confident enough to do the JLPT N5 test yet. As I see other people on the internet saying “I passed N1 in just 6 months!” Really makes me feel like I’m just not made for it, and yes, from time to time I do get toughts of wanting to quit, but that’s completely normal! I know that a lot of people learning japanese might feel the same, and I just want to tell you that you’re not alone!
What if we practice together I’m pretty new to it so it would help me and probably u if we learn how to together we can push each other. If u would like to just put down your discord.
I won’t be able to take full advantage of everything you laid out here but I’m really thankful for thIs video! I got my mission call three weeks ago and I’m going to tokyo next month so not a lot of time to familiarize myself with the language before I go to the mtc, but this has given me an idea of what I could/should be doing! Thanks again!
Congratulations on your call! I served my mission In Sapporo, Japan in 2015. It was a wonderful experience and the people are so wonderful. One thing I wished I’d known before was how little “non gospel” vocabulary would be emphasized in the MTC, so by the time I got to Japan it was very difficult being able to build relationships for a while with the people since I couldn’t speak about every topics yet. So if you have a bit more time before you leave, I recommend learning some everyday vocabulary so you don’t feel like you’re completely drowning when you first arrive in Japan. But even if you don’t, it’ll all come eventually through hard work, immersion, and the spirit. Good luck on your mission! I hope it’s a wonderful experience. I’m sure you’ll be an amazing missionary. :)
Your point on hiragana and katakana not being taught together is actually why I created my own flashcards, showing them side by side. To me, it seemed similar to how we learned the English alphabet as kids. Showing the differences between upper and lower case letters i.e Aa Bb Cc Dd...
This is true. When he mentioned that, our small and capital letters immediately came to mind, and I realised that I'd never seen Hiragana and Katakana being taught side by side. They should be taught that way.
playing Japanese mobile games can help with immersion and trick your brain into reading Japanese material. Many Japanese mobile games have a story mode, where it is essentially a visual novel. One game in particular, re:ステージ has a story that is word for word identical to the light novel, so you are essentially reading a light novel when "playing" the game. (If you pay really close attention, there are some minor differences, for example おっとりとした口調の関西弁 in the light novel, and おっとりとした速度の関西弁 in the game, but apart from minute things like this, they are essentially the same). You can find mobile games with varying levels of Japanese difficulty, which means once you learned the basics, you can practice reading Japanese and have fun at the same time!
Man i just wanted to learn a bit of japaneese vocabulary and now half of TH-cam is telling me to not do it and the other half is telling me to buy countless books😵💫
@@idontgiveah00tit’s the amount of textbooks and apps that one has to go through to have a rhythm. And most of it is pretty subjective on how someone can study it. Any language or subject has textbooks that work for one but will not work for another. So him giving us one for each individual part is great and all. But it’s also hella confusing to keep track off and look up if they actually help me or not. And pricy
I was wondering why five or so days ago a few dozen people started messaging for links to the Tango decks. Hope they help. Reminder that I have decks up to Tango N1 on top of Remembering the Kana deck, Remembering the Kanji Optimized decks, Tae Kim Grammar with native audio, and even Shinkanzen Master Grammar decks and spreadsheets for people that show modest proof of ownership.
How can we message you to try and get those? I use to have the Remembering Kanji but no longer have it unfortunately. I might be able to find it on my Amazon possibly....
You forgot the most important part... Find a Japanese wife or husband ;-) -edit added: but make sure she/he doesn't speak your native language or any English)
To anyone who reads this, if you give Heisig's Remembering the Kanji a try, and find yourself unable to finish, before you start looking for alternative methods of finishing the book, or making that book work for you, go ahead and burn it instead. Many of us wasted weeks, months, and years being tripped up by RtK. But don't stop studying Japanese.
@@ToKiniAndy It was difficult, time-consuming, and didn't actually help me read Japanese one bit. What the hell even is a decameron, anyway? How is that supposed to help me remember anything? Even when I got about halfway through and stopped, it was almost worthless. It helps with one part of one aspect of literacy, which is differentiating between different kanji that look similar. But if you're learning vocab, you get that automatically due to the context of all those other symbols that comprise words. And even if you struggle with similar-looking kanji, that's a fairly straightforward problem to fix as you run into it. I'm a few months into simply learning the most common JP words, immersing with whatever content I find engaging or comprehensible, and reading a bit of basic grammar here and there (including cracking open A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar every now and then, too). RtK solves a problem that was certainly around when it was first written back in the 70s, but we ain't in the 70s anymore. We have JPDB, Textractor, plenty of access to JP TH-camrs, and sentence mining from JP Netflix via VPN (or downloaded raws + subs) or whatever game or show you want. Studying can be fun and useful now instead of boring and rote.
@@LearnJP-sg3nb This. Studying has to be fun, or you'll have a hard time. A very hard time. If RTK works for you, good. If it doesn't, don't try to force yourself to use it because a lot of people in the JP learning community recommends it. Find something else. Wanikani, trying to learn Kanji through sentences or whatever it is. And watch movies/drama or anime. If you find it fun, use it.
Came here a year after watching this to say thank you. I'm definitely nowhere near fluent yet, but I can comfortably say that I'm N5 inching towards N4 level now. To everyone who is just starting, you can do it! It gets easier the more you learn.
I bought Remebering the Kanji 1 and 2 this last month and i'm blasting through kanjis. Enjoyed a lot the way this book gives you directives on how to learn them as a foreigner. Seeing how i have seen recommended the other books from this videos in several other videos i will also get them. Just subscribed too!
Yeahhh, anime is good listening practice only when you've learned enough to recognize all the stuff that makes you sound like an ass so you can avoid it. To be fair though, that's true of most Japanese TV other than maybe NHK News/some dramas. If nothing else, it's good ear training in the early stages.
Tis the time of the year when the yt algorithm reminds me that i wanna learn the language but constantly get lost during the start and then drop it. Great video though!
My mindset is Japanese is the second language I want to learn and I know I’ll have to continue with it for the rest of my life. So I’m not really rushing on it. One thing I’ve grown to accept is since I live in the middle of the US my speaking will always be my weakness. The only way I’ll talk to someone is when I go back home to Hawaii.
Thank you for another great video! I'm still trying to get over being in a depressive slump after studying Japanese for 2 years and not being even past N4 😞lol. Do you have any opinions on WaniKani to study Kanji? For the immersion technique, would you recommend using complete Japanese without any aid? I've been trying to watch "easy" anime with Japanese subtitles, but quickly get frustrated and give up because I need to pause every single scene to look up a word or grammar point, which can make finishing a 20-minute episode a multiple-day task.
You’re welcome! Sometimes, it takes time to find a method you enjoy, so don’t be too hard on yourself! WaniKani is great for a lot of people. I prefer the method I mention in this video, but it’s a personal preference. If you like WaniKani, more power to you! =) For immersion, I definitely recommend going all in on the Japanese. With that said, what you mention is EXACTLY why I would personally use anime as ‘relaxing/passive’ immersion. Where I just watch for fun, and don’t bother looking everything up, or only look up words that catch my interest. Games and reading are better for looking up every word, as it doesn’t feel like you’re interrupting the flow so much.
Very enjoyable to watch Andy, well done! When I first started, I used an audio course called Total Japanese by Michelle Thomas, which I liked and think might have benefited my pronunciation since it encourages some mild shadowing. I also used Remembering the Kana by James Heisig, which helped me verify if I liked the method. I did and went with Heisig for the Kanji as well. Today, I’m not sure if I wouldn’t go with Wani Kani instead though.
Thanks for watching! I'm glad you enjoyed it. =) I also used Remembering the Kana. I really liked it (although not for Katakana). WaniKani is a strong contender for sure. There are a few things I don't personally love about it though, which is why I think combining this NEW (old) DS game I found (AFTER filming this video) with RTK is a winner.
My best and simple tip to people seriously learning Japanese as a long term (10year+) goal is: Flood yourself in Japanese, and get used to it. Exams are irrelevant, but if you do want certification I understand getting everything inside your head asap could be your goal (don't recommend), then use anki. For life long learning, anki will likely demotivate you and in my case hurt your learning instead. (would you rather know 100 words on a superficial level or 10 words that you can use to express in a 100 different ways)
I just learned some of the greetings in Japanese and it was so satisfying, and surprisingly I’m having so much fun learning Japanese especially with my learning disability
I would also use anki, but I would recommend always making your own anki deck, even if you are basically copying an existing one, the mental process of creating the cards themselves is a pretty important overlooked aspect for anchoring memory
Will you do a review of TOBIRA II: Beginning Japanese textbook, it came out in july of this year. Your review of tobira 1 beginning japanese form last year was very helpfull.
Really helpful video thanks. I’ve been learning Japanese for a year and honestly was afraid to watch this video in case I’d missed something huge 😂 as you say I’ve also found the key is to get used to being a continual learner cos it’s one of the hardest languages I’ve studied, there really isn’t a ‘quick fix’. I have an online tutor and that has helped me to keep moving forward. Hoping in another year things will be a bit clearer 😂
What i hate most about learning japanese is that there are no good books in my native language. Yes, i can understand english well enough to learn japanese but something explained in my native language just sticks better. It just feels tiring cause of that...
I started last year with Genki but i wasn’t that thrilled. So I gave up.This year i gave it a chance with Tobira this time and it works fine with me and has better structure and less English.Soon I’ll get the workbook which the publishers will release in less than a month. The only downside of Tobira is the lack of Answer Keys for self learners. But I’m in contact with publishers already seeking for a solution.
My biggest mistake when starting to learn Japanese was trying to memorize complicated kanji by simply looking at them in flash cards instead of learning to write them or studying the radicals. If you don't learn the radicals or the stroke order, a lot of similar looking kanji will start to blend together, which makes it much harder to memorize them. Also, kanji can look very different depending on if they're handwritten or typed. The style or font can make a kanji you've already learned look unfamiliar. Knowing the stroke order helps with this.
Hi, Andy! I really love your videos, they’ve helped me a lot through my language learning journey. I wanted to ask, because I am also playing games and reading manga in Japanese, but I don’t know the most efficient way to record vocabulary and things like that. You have a great resource at 6:22, can I ask what it is? I might’ve missed it in the video.
Hi naia! Thanks for watching, and I’m glad the videos here have helped! That dictionary is just called “Japanese”. It is available on both iOS and Android, and is free. I was using the list feature there. It’s very helpful. With that said, when I’m going through a game or a manga, I don’t record every word I look up anywhere usually. I’ll usually only save or create a flash card for words I find really interesting. Otherwise, I look a word up and then keep going. =)
I feel like no matter what I do, it just doesn't stick. Or, moreso, I just have horrid comprehension skills. I KNOW things in Japanese, but actually utilizing it to form my thoughts into words is next to impossible. And I've been on and off learning Japanese since I was 14 years old (9 years ago). Any moment I try to speak or write something on my own, it's completely unintelligible. Not really a question, just a rant. I'm gonna get the Tango JLPT N5 book to really have a solid list of vocabulary instead of randomly picking vocab along the way, and going through some of the other steps in this video to see if it helps me get further. And to anyone else in the same boat, 頑張りましょう
I started a few years ago and was using Memrise as the main source of learning. Although I did take on board a fair bit of vocab I didn’t learn much sentence structure. I then realised that my method of learning was wrong and my motivation took a hit. Problem was I was just doing it for fun and with no clear reason. I still want to get back into it but may have to start from scratch even though I remember a decent amount. I’ve saved this video in my Japanese playlist for when I’m ready. Thanks for the info!
I wouldn’t go so far as to say that Memrise is the WRONG way to learn. It’s just that learning ONLY vocabulary leaves out so much of a language, so when you actually jump into real sentences, you realize that you don’t know what’s going. It’s still GREAT to have the vocabulary though! =) I hope this video can help when you decide to get back into it!
There’s a part in Duolingo that allows you to learn Katakana and Hiragana at the same time. Regardless of anyone’s opinion this works for me. I teach English to Japanese students online and we also talk about my learning Japanese and they always approve when I speak to them again
This showed up on my recommendation. I feel like my phone heard me TT. I told my mother that I'm gonna enroll to some free japanese lesson in my country. Thank you so much for this! I'm now much motivated and know where to start.
I made that hiragana and katakana COMBINED Video/website! th-cam.com/video/PGJ7JWSgst0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=tp45FlrktCCcty1n
“I’m gonna learn Japanese!”
“I have to learn how to learn Japanese!”
“I have to learn how to learn a language!”
“I have to learn how to look for language learning resources!”
“so… when do I start?”
You just keep studying, hit walls, improve as you go and eventually you will find out what is a waste of time and what isn't for you. That's it. Good luck!
Instead of thinking about learning a language you should just do it! Do you think a baby worries about these things when they first start using their mother tongue? No! They just try and fail, take small steps every day and after some months both you and the baby will be able to create basic sentences.
I never really advise people to use language apps like Duolingo or Babbel, but it's better than nothing, so at least invest 15 minutes a day into that and after a while you'll start to notice how much progress you've made.
Pick a good method and stick with.
You need to get a foundation of the vocab and the kanji.
For my part I use the Anki flashcard deck made from Japanese core 2k and I removed all the individual words and only kept the phrases.
Phrases are easier to learn and give you context with words.
2k words is equivalent to B1 in a European language. It's a solid foundation that allows you to get into native content, then it's just a question of making flashcards with unknown words or just checking the dictionary when you don't get something.
When you reach around 5k vocab words you know enough to consistently learn from context, at this point studying becomes just an option to speed things up or to polish your skills
Your struggle speaks to me. lol I've tried to learn japanese several times and I'm just now starting to feel like I understand how to learn and how to use the tools I have to achieve some results. ^^;; I'm also learning to not push myself to the point where I stop absorbing.. I honestly feel like that point hit's faster than it does for most people, but if I learn 10 words a day using anki, 5 days a week even, that's thousands of vocab words in a year.. so that's what I'm doing. It FEELS slow, but I'm steadily learning more and more.
But yes, I empathize with the massive amount of time spent just figuring out how to start/learn. One skill I need more work on is figuring out how to change what I'm doing without feeling like I'm starting over in some way. lol
@Marky on the Go: what would you recommended then for the start learning basics?
I started learning about a year ago, and haven't made much progress simply because it is very difficult to learn one language when you're surrounded by another. My girlfriend (who happens to be Japanese) also has this issue, she speaks great English, but it overwhelms her on occasions. She does communicate with me in Japanese, and I can more-or-less understand her, which personally I think is strange, as when she messages me in Japanese, I usually have to translate certain words. I'm on a very slow roll, but some of the options presented today may help me slide back into the learning process.
Isn't it super interesting how you can understand things when you hear them, but it's harder when you read? I think having the context of bodily gestures, eye contact, and natural rhythm of speaking helps. Reading is always going to be slower when learning so that makes it more difficult. But you'll get there!
I hope some of these ideas can help!
@@ToKiniAndy It certainly is strange. Once, she showed me a video of her dad speaking, they are from Osaka, and her dad speaks in a very heavy Kansai dialect. She asked me what he was saying after, and on a whim I said "he's talking about flavours?"
And I was right, he was discussing the taste of beer and why he didn't like it. I barely understood a word, yet I somehow was correct in guessing the context!
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@spaceace1288時間_日本語学生 ?
That's actually quite a common problem Chris. I definitely hear you, as in the beginning I was the same.
The trick is surprisingly counter-intuitive. Instead of trying to catch each word or piece of grammar, the trick is actually to physically try to relax, and sort of catch the overall idea. It sounds silly, but this works really really well. You probably won't pick up a TON of new words this way, but you WILL actually be able to have a conversation more comfortably.
If you notice there was something you didn't understand, you just ignore it, and see if you can pick up the overall idea around it. If, after listening to everything being said to you, you think that that single word has tripped you up, asking someone to repeat themselves, or asking what X means will get you there the rest of the time. =)
It takes a while to get used to accepting that you're not going to understand every word, but it's worth struggling through that!
I see, I shall now start using duolingo
That’s what Im Doing! How’s it going???
That’s what I’m doing too 🤪
@@larry3969I have a friend who is a native and he corrects Duolingo all the time when I do it around him so I don’t recommend it
Duolingo is shit tho-
@@giuseppeagresta1425Duplingo is as good as you make it.
This video is very timely for me considering I am basically starting my Japanese language learning over again. I had studied Japanese many moons ago while I was on Okinawa for a year but got overwhelmed and dropped it once I was back in the states. Recently I became interested in learning Japanese language again to understand the lyrics in Japanese music and possibly attending a Robotic convention in Kyoto in October. I did purchase the Genki 3rd edition book and am finding the Genki Lesson videos and material on ToKini Andy with Andy, Yuki and now Mami very helpful. I will certainly be signing up for the ToKini Andy course which I believe will help greatly in my learning. Also, it looks like I have more books to buy and an another reason to break out the DS again. Any thoughts on the Japanese for Busy People series by AJALT? Thanks for sharing this video.
I didn’t personally like Japanese for Busy People when I tried it out 9 or 10 years ago, but I do know that some people like it. It doesn’t hurt to give it a shot. I might have to do a full review of it again, regardless, because I don’t remember much from it.
I think it’s great that your giving it another shot! I hope that, if you jump into the course I hope that you will find it useful in your journey! Thank you for watching. =)
@@ToKiniAndy see I really want to learn to READ Japanese. I'm not as concerned with learning to speak it because I'm American and I live in America. But I really want to learn how to read it because so many of the best classic novels and horror novels are written in Japanese with no English translation 😭😭 and I am obsessed with Asian horror I just think it's so much scarier and better than Western horror is. So I'm more concerned with learning to read it vs getting the pronunciation right
Example card:
Front:
彼女は読書が好きです。
Back:
(As for) her, reading like.
She likes reading.
彼女 【かの・じょ】- she; her
読書 【どく・しょ】- reading (book)
Im nearing the end of Genki 2 and can say that playing games and reading definitely improves your Japanese!! Seeing Japanese in context is just way more beneficial then drilling grammar. I do need waaaay more listening/speaking practice though which is the hard part so Im trying to listen more and write more so I can actually easily speak sentences. Sometimes I still struggle to get words out for basic sentences haha
Finding games with voice acting, and reading along with the audiobook are great ways to improve listening while doing what you’re already doing! =)
But yeah, it definitely takes time!
Try 二ノ国 If you have finished Genki 2 .
Ghost of Tsushima as a Japanese voice acting from the actors@@ToKiniAndy
Tips to learn Japanese more efficiently:
- Do NOT attempt to learn more than one language at once. If in doubt, learn the one that you're most interested in.
- Repeat every letter/word/sentence out loud to get a closer pronunciation (tip from Teuida).
- Avoid trying to learn everything at one sitting to prevent yourself from forgetting words.
- Try to memorize kana/kanji stroke order for more efficient writing.
- If you feel unmotivated and/or tired, take a break and proceed your learning after a while and remember: you can do it!
- Watch anime and practice singing in Japanese. They will help you to increase your vocabulary.
- Try not to skip the difficult parts of learning. They may be essential.
- Get yourself a partner conversation or use Teuida!
- Use your Japanese knowledge in daily occasions (Example: whenever you're going upstairs, count every step in Japanese).
- After finishing your studying session, write out everything you have learned so far, physically (pencil and paper) or virtually (note pad app on phone/computer)
- Keep watching this video as many times as possible for days or weeks. It is not possible to learn everything in a few moments.
Now, I wish you, the reader, a very happy learning, do not give up and give it your all! がんばってください! 💪✌️
In my opinion, do we really need to learn things like stroke order nowadays? Unless you're going to work at a Japanese company that requires you to write things with pen and paper, computers and phones will do the job as long as you can read the kanji.
Teuida!!!!!! YES
Learning stroke order is natural, we learn it in English too. However you end up writing will develop as a byproduct of that plus your natural style. I find it good to learn at least. I suppose if you plan to never handwrite anything then it won't matter sure.
@@fluttzkrieg4392 it's not that hard to learn as it is systemized, but if you still don't feel like learning that, it's okay. It really depends on your reasons and goals for learning Japanese, you might as well never need it
Idk what to do bcs I’m currently attending an after school club that teaches Korean and I’ve already attended it for a year and I’ve gotten many certificates etc however I’m moving as an exchange to japan next year so I’m not sure what to do because I can’t cancel my exchange and I can’t leave the club
The kanji are pretty time consuming but very important to building vocabulary, since so much of Japanese is compound kanji from their Chinese readings. And you feel kinda stupid when you can't read words you know.
Otherwise it just takes time and consistent interest. The kanji are really what make people learn on again off again over years and years, and without a scheduling program to help you review them gradually over an extended period of time, hard to just chip away at. Otherwise I think more people would succeed, given their strong interest.
Yeah, kanji is definitely a challenge unique to Japanese and Chinese. I can completely understand the difficulty.
Speaking of scheduling, I completely forgot to mention combining RTK with Anki or some kind of SRS in this video. I better add that to the pinned comment! Thanks for reminding me (even if you’re talking about scheduling your time, hehe).
CaptainWumbo? From iFunny? On a random Japanese video? ありえない…
Been self studying for 2.5 years. I definitely have weak points because I’ve often switched my method/materials to keep myself engaged. Trust the process. I’m still years away from my desired level.
How is it going so far?
I now have my own kanji series here on TH-cam!
I'd recommend THIS (amzn.to/3AI21t7 ) game INSTEAD of 漢検トレーニング２ for Kanji now. I didn't have it when I filmed this video, but it's DEFINITELY better.
Its just hard to get that 250万人の漢検プレミアム outside of Japan. Would you still recommend the 漢検トレーニング２ in the mean time?
@@callmejobson I wonder how many of the used versions can be shipped to the USA from Japan. I know it’s definitely possible to order from Japan in the USA, but not positive about used stuff.
In the mean time, yes, 漢検トレーニング2 was a good time. =)
Sorry spaceace1288, I'm not sure what you mean?
Does that game work on NA 3DSs or do I need to buy a JP 3DS?
@@majibento Regular DS games will work on any 3ds! ☺️ Only 3ds games are region locked.
All that just to watch Made in Abyss without sub?
Been learning it for 2 years now, and the best i can do is memorize common kanji (ex 行 ), write in fluent hiragana/katakana, and understand very very simple phrases. Its been difficult but also fun! Tofugo has been SO helpful for me
same honestly, I blame it on my lack of consistency and actual method of learning.
Do you use WaniKani? If not then i can just recommend it. I followed the tofugu guides and started learning kanji with WaniKani immediately after finishing Hiragana and it's a lot of fun and i can actually recognize about 70 Kanjis in just under 2 weeks. And i've only studied 30-60 minutes per day
I saw made in abyss in the thumbnail and instantly clicked lol
Hey Andy, loving the direction you're taking the channel. Your early Genki guides helped me start my journey a year back, glad you're still making content!
Thank you phak! Lots more to come! I hope that the new stuff can help as well. =)
Respect for not underestimating what you did do as a beginner. Many people say they would have just skipped RTK because, imo, they don't know how badly off they'd be without it.
This is so helpful! I've just started Genki 2 and I feel like I'm constantly changing up my study routine, I only recently started doing graded listening practice and its been a game changer for me. It's so hard to find effective ways of studying when you're a beginner. I did find a really good app for ipad called Kanji!. It teaches you the stroke order so you drill each kanji by writing it out correctly, and it includes words that contain the kanji you have learned so far. Would definitely recommend it :)
What a coincidence! I also use that kanji app as well. It is really helpful. I think the app is a great replacement for the Kanji 3ds game that he talked about in the video.
I agree with these tips!
One thing I want to emphasize is shadowing! My goal in learning Japanese was to be able to read and listen so I didn't really much pay attention to speaking.
But if I were to start again, I definitely would, because right now, after two years of learning, I began to appreciate how speaking dramatically improves reading and listening.
So yeah, speak speak speak, rinse and repeat. Your Japanese brain will thank you. Don't make the same mistakes like I did.
Where would you suggest to learn Japanese? I've been trying Duolingo and Busuu but the only other alternative I can think of is to just google phrases I want to know, but google translate is often wrong
Do U still need suggestions on Japanese learning
I can give u some idea that will help U grasping the whole thing.
First suggestion would be follow this guy and search playlist videos of this guy
If U need
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I am a Chinese and have been learning Japanese for 1 month already. There is a super friendly Chinese app called 小语大师 which is the most useful Japanese-learning app for me!! So addictive
0:39 Realkana let’s you learn Hiragana and Katakana at the same time.
Another awesome video! While I'm not looking to start over, I'm pretty early in my Japanese learning journey so it's good to hear what you would have changed if you were to start from the beginning. :)
Thank you Llourn! I'm glad to hear it's interesting for you even though your a little ways into learning Japanese! =)
Please- I’m trying to learn Japanese so I can sing fast vocaloid songs.. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-
The Organic Japanese youtube channel is absolutely mindblowing - I've been studying for five years and the textbooks did not tell us these logical tips to "conjugations". Great suggestions. Subscribed for more great resources!
My tip: learn Chinese first 😆 Just kidding, but... having some knowledge of another Asian language will help A LOT. Chinese and Japanese are both syllabic languages; they have no inflection; they both use particles; and of course Japanese uses kanji. Photographic memory helped me learn Chinese at university and it's helping me with Japanese now.
Really lulled me in with that Made in Abyss in the thumbnail
I would like to throw in the idea of the Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course. The book uses mneomics and radicals, but it also gives you vocab. Each kanji has about 2 vocab words that have an O so you know which one is one of the more important ones to learn. RTK teaches you basically meanings and recognition, but you literally gain no vocab. The KKLC though is supported with the fantastic kanji study app and it has all the graded reading sets in one convenient place.
Not only that, but learning about 5 kanji a day will be tremendously helpful so long as you can keep up with it.
I know a lot of people really enjoy KKLC. It’s personally not my style, but I agree that it will be great for some people! =)
It's interesting to see how different everyone approaches Japanese learning. Your Yomichan+Anki guide was the golden ticket for me a while back! Thanks for that ^^
Yomichan+Anki is a beast. =)
It's been almost 2 years since I personally started learning Japanese and I am looking to take the N2 this december (fingers crossed). And I can relate with many of your points in this video!
Especially for me speaking has been a huge problem when learning languages (Chinese is my second language but I don't have confidence in speaking it). So in order to avoid that for Japanese, I started making it a point to take conversation lessons this year during summer break.
Glad to hear you can relate! Good luck on N2!!!
how do u take a N5, N4, N3, N2 or a N1 test? like is there some webbsite to test your self because i am so confused 😅
@@ToKiniAndy how do u take a N5, N4, N3, N2 or a N1 test? like is there some webbsite to test your self because i am so confused 😅
I hate when people say things like 2 years… 2 years of what?! 1 minute a day? 10 hours a day? 🤷🏽♂️ be more specific with your estimates.
Every person is different. It ultimately depends on you and there’s no true quick way. Personally I’ve been writing down every kanji, katakana and hiragana everyday and giving myself quizzes. At the same time I’m learning words and use flash cards to memorize em
Made In Abyss
Made in Abyss!
I tried the RTK book. I didn't like it. Something about it. I had an easier time learning Kanji through wanikani.
I came just for Made in Abyss lol
I’ve heard that Yotsuba is a bad choice because there are a lot of jokes that will just confuse beginners
Re:zero I see you're a man of culture.
This YT channel is quite good, a lot of dubious and fake creators out there 👀👀👀👀 watch out.
I'm not the only one who clicked because of made in abyss
でもなかなかいいアドバイスです！ありがとうございます！
How to learn: Go to Japanese school. Done.
NONONO you purposefully put that cursed terrifying anime in the thumbnail I'm sobbing
From my experience living in Japan for 15 years and speaking Japanese , my best tips would be , speak speak speak , learn substitute words and learn how to explain something rather than focus only on subjectives.
Stuff like , if you don’t know what scissors are , you can explain it and people will fill in the blanks for you and over time your vocabulary will grow.
A very useful word I recommend is やつ。
Explanations -> Insert やつ
People will ohhh you mean scissors ? It’s tedious early on but it’s really helpful.
Don’t feel discouraged when you sound like a 4 year old for the first half a year.
Focus on listening Comprehension and speaking.
Reading later unless it’s your prime focus.
Find something you enjoy consuming but do it in Japanese . Game reviews , TH-cam , etc.
Obviously you would need to start with regular basic grammar and than apply above.
People who only sit through books studying kanji in my experience rarly excel later on when you actually get exposed to Japanese in real life
@youknowkbbaby would not recommend google translate , it’s heavily flawed unless your doing hi my name is type of stuff
英語の勉強をするべくyoutubeを見ていたらこちらのチャンネルに辿り着きました。言語は違えど基本的な学習方法は同じということに改めて気付かされました。
learning with 'made in abyss' is burning vocabulary in your mind by trauma.... those poor kids..... how much are they still going to suffer?
It took me 5 years to learn English and in my classes i am considered a pro and some guys want to be fluent in Japanese in 3 months💀
Learning Japanese while watching Made in Abyss is most impossible thing ever
made in abyss thumbnail jumpscare...
Very good lesson, learned a lot! FYI you should use BABYTRON as your background music it makes people learn faster
1:15 I know you are trying to discourage it, but for those that are interested he did an interview with the Doth and Kanji Eater: th-cam.com/video/Vv234kZdBgs/w-d-xo.html . I honestly think only 1% have the potential of even doing what he did. Learning and remembering an average of 40 new words a day for 250 days in a foreign language with a different alphabet is insane. And on top of that doing immersion to grasp the words true meaning and usage. When I first started a year ago I tried learning 50 new words a day. It was not possible. My brain was so fried it could only recall like 8 words.
Also just because you go slow does not mean you won't have a weak spot. If you've never written kanji, even after 3 years, you won't be able to write kanji from memory.
Anyone still reading good luck with your language learning goals.
Do you think I could substitute Tango with Anki?
My goal with Japanese is to just consume media from Japan that hasn’t been translated. Because of that, almost day one, I played Pokemon Sword after learning some higarana and kana (there’s a language option on that game specifically for no kanji, so its great for super beginners). I would try my best to read and it really helped with some words. Granted, my goal is to play and read more stuff, and probably never speak it.
Ah I've been studying Japanese for just over a year now and there have been so many days where I doubt myself and feel like I haven't made any progress. I have one friend who lives in Japan and that helps me a lot, but even with only listening to Japanese music, podcasts,shows and playing all of my games in Japanese I still feel like I have barely scratched the surface 🥲 I dedicate a lot of my time to this because it's very important to me. I'm finally getting to a point where I can recognize patterns, hear/tell the difference between similar words and very basic sentences😅 I do have ADHD and learning disabilities so I try to be patient with myself, it takes me a very long time to really learn things🥲 the language makes me very happy and I appreciate studying it☺️ I'll focus more on these tips!😭
Japanese is very different from English, so it takes a longgg time, more time than most languages. It sounds like you are making some progress, though. Keep noticing what seems to work best for you and what you enjoy, and just keep it up
hey fellow adhd brain!! i, too, am trying to be patient as i learn, but i have merely just started my journey!! i have the mindset that im interested for life, and am trying to be kind to myself with the time involved, confident that eventually it's going to integrate into my daily living and hopefully in a decade or so, i'll be able to take a decent inventory of my growth! Keep moving forward, mate!!
In just a couple months I’m going to meet with my Japanese grandparents and family. And I felt honestly a little embarrassed knowing I might not be able to connect with them as close as I could. So I’m just reading as many books as I can and playing learning games already having a basic understanding. Hoping this helps!
My mom's side of the family is Japanese, but I live in America and my dad is African, when my mom called her parents all I could say was "wakarenai" and "gomen" so now I'm trying my best, next time I talk to them I hope I can say a bit more
My grandparents are Russian and my Russian is gradually getting worse every day since I live in Germany. Relatable :c
As a begginer learner, i’m in my ~8th month of learning japanese and I still don’t even feel confident enough to do the JLPT N5 test yet. As I see other people on the internet saying “I passed N1 in just 6 months!” Really makes me feel like I’m just not made for it, and yes, from time to time I do get toughts of wanting to quit, but that’s completely normal! I know that a lot of people learning japanese might feel the same, and I just want to tell you that you’re not alone!
What if we practice together I’m pretty new to it so it would help me and probably u if we learn how to together we can push each other. If u would like to just put down your discord.
@@drizz3y913 Hey are you still looking for someone to practice - do language updates with?
@@poxalmazro3e734 yeah
@@Yeetedaway yeah
I won’t be able to take full advantage of everything you laid out here but I’m really thankful for thIs video! I got my mission call three weeks ago and I’m going to tokyo next month so not a lot of time to familiarize myself with the language before I go to the mtc, but this has given me an idea of what I could/should be doing! Thanks again!
Congratulations on your call! I served my mission In Sapporo, Japan in 2015. It was a wonderful experience and the people are so wonderful. One thing I wished I’d known before was how little “non gospel” vocabulary would be emphasized in the MTC, so by the time I got to Japan it was very difficult being able to build relationships for a while with the people since I couldn’t speak about every topics yet. So if you have a bit more time before you leave, I recommend learning some everyday vocabulary so you don’t feel like you’re completely drowning when you first arrive in Japan. But even if you don’t, it’ll all come eventually through hard work, immersion, and the spirit. Good luck on your mission! I hope it’s a wonderful experience. I’m sure you’ll be an amazing missionary. :)
Your point on hiragana and katakana not being taught together is actually why I created my own flashcards, showing them side by side.
To me, it seemed similar to how we learned the English alphabet as kids. Showing the differences between upper and lower case letters i.e Aa Bb Cc Dd...
This is true. When he mentioned that, our small and capital letters immediately came to mind, and I realised that I'd never seen Hiragana and Katakana being taught side by side. They should be taught that way.
playing Japanese mobile games can help with immersion and trick your brain into reading Japanese material. Many Japanese mobile games have a story mode, where it is essentially a visual novel. One game in particular, re:ステージ has a story that is word for word identical to the light novel, so you are essentially reading a light novel when "playing" the game. (If you pay really close attention, there are some minor differences, for example おっとりとした口調の関西弁 in the light novel, and おっとりとした速度の関西弁 in the game, but apart from minute things like this, they are essentially the same). You can find mobile games with varying levels of Japanese difficulty, which means once you learned the basics, you can practice reading Japanese and have fun at the same time!
Made in Abyss is so good.
Man i just wanted to learn a bit of japaneese vocabulary and now half of TH-cam is telling me to not do it and the other half is telling me to buy countless books😵💫
this video is hella confusing not gonna lie
How so?
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@@idontgiveah00tit’s the amount of textbooks and apps that one has to go through to have a rhythm. And most of it is pretty subjective on how someone can study it. Any language or subject has textbooks that work for one but will not work for another. So him giving us one for each individual part is great and all. But it’s also hella confusing to keep track off and look up if they actually help me or not. And pricy
totally agree 😔
@@the_catboiwhats pricy?
I was wondering why five or so days ago a few dozen people started messaging for links to the Tango decks. Hope they help.
Reminder that I have decks up to Tango N1 on top of Remembering the Kana deck, Remembering the Kanji Optimized decks, Tae Kim Grammar with native audio, and even Shinkanzen Master Grammar decks and spreadsheets for people that show modest proof of ownership.
I definitely should have mentioned to you that I'd be recommending your decks! I saw that there was a bit of an influx on the server. 😅😅
How can we message you to try and get those? I use to have the Remembering Kanji but no longer have it unfortunately. I might be able to find it on my Amazon possibly....
@@yuta5026 You can message me via my discord that he linked in the video description.
@@NukeMarine Awesome, thank you!
Adding a DS game to the mix is legendary! Turning my 2ds on now to get that!
how to learn Japanese: watch made in abyss
You forgot the most important part... Find a Japanese wife or husband ;-) -edit added: but make sure she/he doesn't speak your native language or any English)
To anyone who reads this, if you give Heisig's Remembering the Kanji a try, and find yourself unable to finish, before you start looking for alternative methods of finishing the book, or making that book work for you, go ahead and burn it instead. Many of us wasted weeks, months, and years being tripped up by RtK.
But don't stop studying Japanese.
I'd love to hear what specifically tripped you up about it.
@@ToKiniAndy It was difficult, time-consuming, and didn't actually help me read Japanese one bit. What the hell even is a decameron, anyway? How is that supposed to help me remember anything?
Even when I got about halfway through and stopped, it was almost worthless. It helps with one part of one aspect of literacy, which is differentiating between different kanji that look similar. But if you're learning vocab, you get that automatically due to the context of all those other symbols that comprise words. And even if you struggle with similar-looking kanji, that's a fairly straightforward problem to fix as you run into it.
I'm a few months into simply learning the most common JP words, immersing with whatever content I find engaging or comprehensible, and reading a bit of basic grammar here and there (including cracking open A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar every now and then, too).
RtK solves a problem that was certainly around when it was first written back in the 70s, but we ain't in the 70s anymore. We have JPDB, Textractor, plenty of access to JP TH-camrs, and sentence mining from JP Netflix via VPN (or downloaded raws + subs) or whatever game or show you want. Studying can be fun and useful now instead of boring and rote.
@@LearnJP-sg3nb This. Studying has to be fun, or you'll have a hard time. A very hard time.
If RTK works for you, good. If it doesn't, don't try to force yourself to use it because a lot of people in the JP learning community recommends it. Find something else. Wanikani, trying to learn Kanji through sentences or whatever it is. And watch movies/drama or anime. If you find it fun, use it.
I started with RTK but moved to wanikani, I feel like wanikani teaches a lot more, and it sticks.
Yeah, RTK just didn't do it for me. WaniKani was way more engaging, and most of the things actually stuck.
一つ言っておくと日本人も日本語完璧じゃないよ
Came here a year after watching this to say thank you. I'm definitely nowhere near fluent yet, but I can comfortably say that I'm N5 inching towards N4 level now. To everyone who is just starting, you can do it! It gets easier the more you learn.
What was that anime in the thumbnail? Someone check his hardrive
Man, now I wish I watched this video before I started learning 🤭
i use duolingo
Just like space travel, learning languages is a slow burn.
Thank you me from the past. I needed this one.
Is Genki or Tobira better?
I bought Remebering the Kanji 1 and 2 this last month and i'm blasting through kanjis. Enjoyed a lot the way this book gives you directives on how to learn them as a foreigner. Seeing how i have seen recommended the other books from this videos in several other videos i will also get them. Just subscribed too!
Anime is rough though because it has so much slang that you can't even use a lot of it, unless you're talking to friends
Yeahhh, anime is good listening practice only when you've learned enough to recognize all the stuff that makes you sound like an ass so you can avoid it. To be fair though, that's true of most Japanese TV other than maybe NHK News/some dramas. If nothing else, it's good ear training in the early stages.
Tis the time of the year when the yt algorithm reminds me that i wanna learn the language but constantly get lost during the start and then drop it.
Great video though!
My mindset is Japanese is the second language I want to learn and I know I’ll have to continue with it for the rest of my life. So I’m not really rushing on it. One thing I’ve grown to accept is since I live in the middle of the US my speaking will always be my weakness. The only way I’ll talk to someone is when I go back home to Hawaii.
There's nothing wrong with making mistakes, the only mistake is you trying to prevent them...
Thank you for another great video! I'm still trying to get over being in a depressive slump after studying Japanese for 2 years and not being even past N4 😞lol.
Do you have any opinions on WaniKani to study Kanji? For the immersion technique, would you recommend using complete Japanese without any aid? I've been trying to watch "easy" anime with Japanese subtitles, but quickly get frustrated and give up because I need to pause every single scene to look up a word or grammar point, which can make finishing a 20-minute episode a multiple-day task.
You’re welcome! Sometimes, it takes time to find a method you enjoy, so don’t be too hard on yourself!
WaniKani is great for a lot of people. I prefer the method I mention in this video, but it’s a personal preference. If you like WaniKani, more power to you! =)
For immersion, I definitely recommend going all in on the Japanese. With that said, what you mention is EXACTLY why I would personally use anime as ‘relaxing/passive’ immersion. Where I just watch for fun, and don’t bother looking everything up, or only look up words that catch my interest.
Games and reading are better for looking up every word, as it doesn’t feel like you’re interrupting the flow so much.
N4 after 2 years sounds unrealistic to me, but maybe the new norm is different from the formal programs we had in college
@@theinktician If you have the time you can generally move much faster than college courses. I passed N3 in about a year, I believe.
Very enjoyable to watch Andy, well done!
When I first started, I used an audio course called Total Japanese by Michelle Thomas, which I liked and think might have benefited my pronunciation since it encourages some mild shadowing.
I also used Remembering the Kana by James Heisig, which helped me verify if I liked the method. I did and went with Heisig for the Kanji as well. Today, I’m not sure if I wouldn’t go with Wani Kani instead though.
Thanks for watching! I'm glad you enjoyed it. =)
I also used Remembering the Kana. I really liked it (although not for Katakana).
WaniKani is a strong contender for sure. There are a few things I don't personally love about it though, which is why I think combining this NEW (old) DS game I found (AFTER filming this video) with RTK is a winner.
Made in abyss in the thumbnail. Great taste.
My best and simple tip to people seriously learning Japanese as a long term (10year+) goal is:
Flood yourself in Japanese, and get used to it.
Exams are irrelevant, but if you do want certification I understand getting everything inside your head asap could be your goal (don't recommend), then use anki. For life long learning, anki will likely demotivate you and in my case hurt your learning instead. (would you rather know 100 words on a superficial level or 10 words that you can use to express in a 100 different ways)
I just learned some of the greetings in Japanese and it was so satisfying, and surprisingly I’m having so much fun learning Japanese especially with my learning disability
Thanks for this. I'm about to start learning Japanese myself, and I appreciate anything helpful like this.
I would also use anki, but I would recommend always making your own anki deck, even if you are basically copying an existing one, the mental process of creating the cards themselves is a pretty important overlooked aspect for anchoring memory
Thank you so much for this information and all the work you put in. Have a great 2023!
I’m worse off from when I started
Watching anime is stage 3? I'm already on stage 3!? やった！: )
Will you do a review of TOBIRA II: Beginning Japanese textbook, it came out in july of this year. Your review of tobira 1 beginning japanese form last year was very helpfull.
Really helpful video thanks. I’ve been learning Japanese for a year and honestly was afraid to watch this video in case I’d missed something huge 😂 as you say I’ve also found the key is to get used to being a continual learner cos it’s one of the hardest languages I’ve studied, there really isn’t a ‘quick fix’. I have an online tutor and that has helped me to keep moving forward. Hoping in another year things will be a bit clearer 😂
@8bg I use Preply.
What i hate most about learning japanese is that there are no good books in my native language. Yes, i can understand english well enough to learn japanese but something explained in my native language just sticks better. It just feels tiring cause of that...
I started last year with Genki but i wasn’t that thrilled. So I gave up.This year i gave it a chance with Tobira this time and it works fine with me and has better structure and less English.Soon I’ll get the workbook which the publishers will release in less than a month. The only downside of Tobira is the lack of Answer Keys for self learners. But I’m in contact with publishers already seeking for a solution.
Was that made in abyss on the thumb nail
My biggest mistake when starting to learn Japanese was trying to memorize complicated kanji by simply looking at them in flash cards instead of learning to write them or studying the radicals. If you don't learn the radicals or the stroke order, a lot of similar looking kanji will start to blend together, which makes it much harder to memorize them. Also, kanji can look very different depending on if they're handwritten or typed. The style or font can make a kanji you've already learned look unfamiliar. Knowing the stroke order helps with this.
Hi, Andy! I really love your videos, they’ve helped me a lot through my language learning journey. I wanted to ask, because I am also playing games and reading manga in Japanese, but I don’t know the most efficient way to record vocabulary and things like that. You have a great resource at 6:22, can I ask what it is? I might’ve missed it in the video.
Hi naia! Thanks for watching, and I’m glad the videos here have helped!
That dictionary is just called “Japanese”. It is available on both iOS and Android, and is free. I was using the list feature there. It’s very helpful.
With that said, when I’m going through a game or a manga, I don’t record every word I look up anywhere usually. I’ll usually only save or create a flash card for words I find really interesting. Otherwise, I look a word up and then keep going. =)
@@ToKiniAndy Thank you so much!
I started learning about a week ago and I’m struggling with some of the pronunciations, what resources would you recommend to help?
@Mohammad Al-Shuwaiee ditto!
@Mohammad Al-Shuwaiee sorry it’s an English phrase which means “same”
I have no money for textbooks.....
I feel like no matter what I do, it just doesn't stick. Or, moreso, I just have horrid comprehension skills. I KNOW things in Japanese, but actually utilizing it to form my thoughts into words is next to impossible. And I've been on and off learning Japanese since I was 14 years old (9 years ago). Any moment I try to speak or write something on my own, it's completely unintelligible.
Not really a question, just a rant. I'm gonna get the Tango JLPT N5 book to really have a solid list of vocabulary instead of randomly picking vocab along the way, and going through some of the other steps in this video to see if it helps me get further. And to anyone else in the same boat, 頑張りましょう
what are the two manga mentioned at 7:04 ?
I really don't like RTK.
I started a few years ago and was using Memrise as the main source of learning. Although I did take on board a fair bit of vocab I didn’t learn much sentence structure. I then realised that my method of learning was wrong and my motivation took a hit. Problem was I was just doing it for fun and with no clear reason. I still want to get back into it but may have to start from scratch even though I remember a decent amount. I’ve saved this video in my Japanese playlist for when I’m ready. Thanks for the info!
I wouldn’t go so far as to say that Memrise is the WRONG way to learn. It’s just that learning ONLY vocabulary leaves out so much of a language, so when you actually jump into real sentences, you realize that you don’t know what’s going. It’s still GREAT to have the vocabulary though! =)
I hope this video can help when you decide to get back into it!
There’s a part in Duolingo that allows you to learn Katakana and Hiragana at the same time. Regardless of anyone’s opinion this works for me. I teach English to Japanese students online and we also talk about my learning Japanese and they always approve when I speak to them again
This showed up on my recommendation. I feel like my phone heard me TT. I told my mother that I'm gonna enroll to some free japanese lesson in my country. Thank you so much for this! I'm now much motivated and know where to start.