Tracing 'Migratory Origin' and Ancient History of the Gurungs | Tek Gurung
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- Adivasi Janajati Discussion Series
Tracing 'Migratory Origin' and Ancient History of the Gurungs
Speaker:
Tek Gurung, PhD in History, Sichuan University, China
24 November 2019/८ मंसिर २०७६, आइतबार
Time: 3:00 pm
Martin Chautari Seminar Hall, Thapathali, Kathmandu
#Gurung #Migration #Origin #Indigenous
we Gurungs unite as one and cultivate our wonderful tradition culture. We Gurung brothers and sisters support and help each other. Our culture is truly cool and amazing. We need more representatives in many other fields who are Gurungs. Let's go! we can build our own strong base and nation .Lets go!
Gurung ko culture ma dherai bikriti haru chan. Ramro biu rakhera naramro biu lai phalera ramro kheti garnu parne dekhincha. Ani yekta ma bandhinu parcha. Nepal nasliya badi samaj ho. Yedi yek bhayenau bhane Dalit bhanda pani sano jati ma ganine cha.
म पनि `तमुवान स्वायत्त प्रदेश´ को नागरिक र बासिन्दा हुँ।`तमुवान´को इतिहास जान्न/बुझ्न पाउनु मेरो पनि अधिकार हो।यस बारेमा जानकारी गराएर आदरणीय डा`साब टेक गुरुङ ज्यु ले ठुलो गुन लगाउनु भएको छ।
we tibetans know very well that himalayan people are tibetan origin, even before establishment of gurkha empire, it was mostly controlled by descendants of lang dharma heirs. far western - maryul (present day ladakh and balti) guge include zangskar, spiti, garsha( lahul) kinnaur . gharwal, etc.western nepal was under purang and yatse dynasty. middle was under mangyul gunthang, mustang was vassal of gungthang but later gained independence through rebellion. eastern under sikkim which includes kirati tribes such as rai , limbu. tibet itself was divided between dharma udumtsen( lang dharma) two son. odsung and yumten. lepcha people migrated from tibet in the 4 to 5 century . himalyan people its ok if you want to deny tibetan ancestors migration. even before unification of tibet, himalayan was part of shangshung empire n religion was animist bon. present day tibetan bon is reformed bon, (buddhist influnce) not the old bon of tibet.
Right i agree
I totally agree with you. However, Sir has not denied that we have Tibetan origin.
Our ancestors carrys the Tibetan Culture and origin whether it may be bon or Buddhism. Without Tibet there is no Gurung Language .....
It's not shangshung it's Zhangzhung kingdom western part of Tibet
@@samarpanlamagurung3277exactly
Yes gurung sherpa tamang are tibeten
Now after carefully watching your pesentation
Sir, I am very happy that Gurung in some point of time they have arrived from Tibet (even though it might not be their earliest place) and settled in Mustang... It is still evident that Gurung people in Mustang (Lowa in Mustang), Manang and Dolpo have Tibetan Culture. I also believe that the word "Gurung" was literally developed after arriving in Mustang which was a seperate Kingdom before the merger. There is also lot of history and evidence of Ghale King being in this places. Further there should be a detailed study on this beautiful and holy places which will further help in Culture upliftment and create a strong bond among all.
I'm magar. Nice tamu history. 🙏🇳🇵
Great job 🙏Tek Bahadur sir👍👍👍👍
Interesting and quite fruitful presentation indeed, Dr Sahab.Thank You.
I'm so proud of you my respected daju hajur❤
Thanks for all you have done and intented to do .
Appreciating your effort sir. Is there is any book or pdf available?
Thank you sir for your gr8 work . Sir just want to know your opinion is their any similarity between tibetan n gurungs as they both are mongoloid?? Thank you
Sir as you have mentioned from 2000-3000 bc it means around 1 thousand years gurung, magar, tamang etc were settled in yumbu lakhang tibet that means I think gurungs, tibetan, tamang, magar etc thay all came from Mongolia n I believe they are all one genetic family.
Exactly. You are right to note that way. I am doing some more analysis but due to COVID-19 I have been not able to do so. I will share that information too when I get the results.
Tamangs/Gurungs/Thakali etc look more like Nagas/Assamese etc not Tibetans. They also have similar language, not like Tibetan. I don't think there is a single source of Tamangic language is current spoken in Tibet.
@@lastgentleman8185 hahaha jpt 😃😃😃
@@lastgentleman8185 informative, thanks
@@kb.e3762 there is no single tamang language spoken in tibet. it has been proved that tamang is not a tibetic language. hyomo/sherpa are considered TIBETIC language.
koko nor is not mongolia but tibet amdo region. it is tso ngon- meaning blue lake.
One thing we need to understand that we are tibetic mongoliod people the same as burma bhutan chinese or north east indian but we create our different identity and language tradition in this himalaya of nepal which belongs to tibetic plates . Of course all asians belong mainly to tibet or hwang ho valley of china and before that to eurusia and africa
Gurung ko artha bujna jaruri cha. Yo dui kura ma adharit cha. Gau ko artha aglo huncha. Tesaile 1) aglo himal pahad lai rungera basne jaati. Gau-hey-rungne bata Gaurungne hundai Gaurung bata Gurung bhayeko manincha. Arko 2) Buddha anya sathi sangini bhanda aglo bhayeko hunale ra Buddha ko bansa Tama bhayeko kaaran Buddha lai Gau-Tama bhaniyeko ho. Buddha Gau-Tama lai rungera bashne bhaibhardar sathi sangini bhayeko karan Gau-Rungney bata Gaurung hundai Gurung huna pugeko ho. Gurung pani Tama bansa ko nai ho. Tamang jaati pani Tama bansa ko nai ho tara Huang thapera Tama-Huang bhayo. Tesaile Gurung ra Tamang ma kunai pharak dekhidaina. Yini dubai jaati Buddhist dharma lambi hun. Shamans haru Egypt bata Siberia Mongolia hundai Tibet ko paschimi bhubhag ma ayi baseko bhani manincha. Bastab ma shaman Bon dharma Gurung haru ko asali dharma haina. Tibet ma noon bokna janda sikera ayeko karma kanda bidhi haru hun. Tesai gari Mahayana Buddha dharma pani Tibet ma noon bokna janda Tibet bata nai sikera ayeko ho. Bastab ma Gurung ra Tamang haru Taoist ani Confucius ra Buddha dharma lambi nai hun. Gurung ko Lem,Lham,Kong bata nai spasta huncha yini haru kramasa Taoist Buddhist Confucius bhani manna sakinch. Atma huncha bhanne pahilo sonch bichar Sindhu ghanti ma Arya samudaya bata 1500BC ko waripari ma janmayeko manincha.
According to your source of study ;mailay ekdam naulo ra naya kura haru suniyo .confucius taoist buddha chai khas ma china, malaysia singapor,honkong etc tera still manincha tara nepal ma testai taoist buddhistko prachar prasar huna lageko 25 .,30 years ni vayeko chaina hola.i know well about taoist jun ailya ktm,butwal pokhara ka anya sahar haru ma ni holicenter kholiyeko cha . taoist buddhist haru sanga lem ,lam kon k sambandha cha ?
@@irengurung3404 mero khoj hami Gurung haru Indigenous ho bhanne kura praman sahit dekhaunu ho. Gurung haru ko bhasa ma samdhi, jethan haru lai bhetda Ho-axia, Axiao, Axiaon etc bhanne garcha. Mama, Phupu ko chora chori bibaha garne bhayeko huna le yek arka lai Ho-axia, axiao, axiaon bhanne gareko hunale hami Huaxia jaati bhanne huncha. Huxia jaati Asia ko pahilo basinda mandacha. Yesari hamro purkha haru le hamro bhasa jogai rakheko huna le purkha haru lai pujnu jaruri cha.
Thank you sir for your research for Gurung History and hope coming days you will bring more gurung history documentary and here I just want to comment also as you quoted a book origin how the earth made us , written by Lewis Dartnell " we all are apes " just I want comment on this poit or statement .modern scientists have rejected that theory ,we are not from the apes and The theory of evolution by Chalers Darwin that theory also it is considered as false by many modern scientists ..and logically and rationally I have a question if we are from apes why present apes are not becoming human ? human are from apes or monkey or champagne I commet that is false
Hi, where can I find Dr. Gurung"s Thesis on this? I would love to read it. Thank You🙏
Gurung ko history najani ulta pulta, likhdei cha, gurung kaha bato aayo, kahile gurung jaati aayo, kehi taha choina yelai, sirf andhabiswas ma likhdei cha, yo video delet gar
so where did bahun chettri thakuri so call high caste hindu people came from to Nepal?
Nepal's history itself explains that they came via India mainly since 12th century.
Don’t get mistaken by there are two types of Khas people in Nepal
They came from India,no doubt
@@ashikgurung1236 That seems like the absolute answer, but not as people have thought. You might question why aren't they from India then exactly, where would they be from then!Question remains, and the from the research professor/ anthropoligist such as Bishawabhakta Dulal (Ahuti) and also Dr Harka B Gurung I can comfortable say Yes in the south there has been massive influence and still is from India and its expectable so there is that especialy priest Aryans/bahuns to put into presepective which has still massively influence and help the Nepal major Aryan/khas population turning into Hindu. There is also difference on how they have their inside god 'kul' even calling names are different( you can check more this on watching Mr Ahuti videos). Similarly, there is another who came from far western side, who came to Nepal due to invasion/loot from the Muslims invasion(not trying to offend this is particularly in early centuries as you probably read in history such as even in Delhi and also the mongol invasion in the afghanistan and they didnt turn into hindu and has complete sense of surrounding of god, etc different and i mean very different so ethnic group such as pahawai who lives in Jumla who are at a very reduced population currently are those who are also aryans/khas not hindu religion and also at the same time the other population in turn converted themselves into becoming hindu. Hope this enlightens little, sorry for fragmentation only trying to draw your attention.
Hami Nepal ko
Mulbashi haru Mongolian bhanda pani Mahan mulbashi bhanna ruchaunchu. Nepal ko itihansh ma 5 satabdi ko licchabi kalin samaya bhanda pahila ko kunai itihash chaina. Tara Nepal ko purba ra paschim ma Mechi ani Mahakali nadi ko karan ley Nepal ma prabesh garney kunai sajilo bato nabhayeko prasta huncha bhaney tarai ko bhubhag jungal jhadi ra hinshatnak jibjantu haru ka karan mareka jibjantu ani garmi ley garda mahamari rog phailiney hunda manish ko basho bash nabhayeko ra Bharat ko bhumi ma tyanha ka manish haru lai prasasta matra ma kheti ubjani garney bhumi bhayeko ra manish ko abadi pani ajako jasto dherai nabhayeka karan Nepal ko tarai ko bhubhag ma Bharat bata kohi manish haru pani prabesh nabhayeko bujhincha. Tara Nepal ko bhumi ma hami Mahan mulbashi haru Himali bhubhag bata nai tarai ko Kapilbastu ma Himali bhekh bata bagney Marsyangdi Nadi, Gandaki Nadi ko sero phero hundai jungle jhadi phandera basobash garna pugeko hunu parney dekhincha. Tyesailey Buddha sahitya ma Kapilbastu ko rajya sabai bhanda kancho rajya bhayeko paincha ra sano rajya ra tyanha ka raja Suddha-dhan lai mukhiya ko rup ma pani maneko bujhincha. Hami Mahan mulbashi haru ley himal pahad ma pani Dhan kheti garchan ra tarai ma pani Dhan kheti hami haru dwara nai bhayeko ho bhani manna sakchoun. Tyesailey Bharat ko Bihar rajya ma Dhan kheti hamrai sabhyata ho. Bharat ko anya bhubhag ma Dhan kheti gardainan ra gahu kheti garchan ra Chapatti khana bishesh huney garchan ra gurung jati ko sandharba ma Gurung jati gandaki bhubhag ko manincha bhaney Kapilbastu pani bigatma gandak bhubhag bhitra nai pardathyo. Samagra ma bhannu parda Buddha ko samaya ma bahun haru pani Buddhist thiye ra Bhagwan Buddha ley Bharat ma dharma deshana diney kram ma afno anuyayi ani upasak upasika bahun- bahuni haru lai pani Kapilbastu liyera ayeka thiye. Tara dukha ko kura Buddha ko gyan lai birsiye. Yedi Buddha bahun huney bhaye aja Hindu haina Buddhist rastra bhani Nepal lai chininey thiyo. Aja Nepal ma haina sansarma sabai bhanda dherai Buddhist China ma chan.
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We Gurungs are tibetan thats clear and we can clearly see tibetan influence in our culture
मु होइन मङोर भनेर चै चिनिन्छ ती जाती लाई । अहिले चीन ले tu people भनेर भन्छ्न हामी मा सिबे भन्ने आदिबासी को पनि मात्र देखिन्छ । तर सबै सङ dna दुरि 15 भन्दा पर देखाउछ्न जस्को अर्थ धेरै पहिला नै तामाङ गुरुङ हरु बनेका थिए ,मङोर , नखी ,यी, सबै मिलेर बनेको देखिन्छ राई लिम्बू मा धेरै नजिक्ता देखिन्छ यी जाती हरु को
TU लाइ टू भनिदैन यसलाइ थू भनिन्छ। हेर्नुहोस् फरक। टू र थूर एउटै होइन। TU देखेर भ्रम मा नपरौं।
tamu bhanne sabda "tumai" bata baneko ho 'tu ' = mathi, 'mai'= ayeko , sabda thyakkai mildaina tara mathi bata ayeko vanne bujhnu parcha .
TAMA GURUNG TAMEI haru Indigenous hun. Pahilo Gurung ko purkha CHOMOLUNGMA ma janma bhayeko ho. Mathi bata nai ayeko ho. sahi bhannu bhayo.
Yo wrong ho .khashma Tibetan ma “Ta" Vanna lay horse bujhincha ahni “mu" Vanna lay trader bujhincha
@@gyalpo_norbu हजुर
पहीलेको जातहरु बसाई ,पेसा, पद बाट राखीन्थ्यो
अहीले पनि गाउ तिर जानुहोस र अध्यन गर्नुहोस।
शाब्दीक अर्थमा नजानुहोस।
जस्तै म काठमाडौमा बस्छु, गाउ जादा “ काठ्माडौ थेमे” खई भन्छ।
लमले लामा काम गरेर लम भयो।
यसरी हुन सक्छ मेरो बुझाईमा।
धन्यबाद
Dr.sab Nepalko palpa jillama b.s.2039salma bhetiyeko manab bangara american ra russian baigyanikharule mongol samudayko ho bhanekachhan. Jaslayi 1crore 10lakh barsa purano ho bhani DNA parikshan dwara parmanit garekachhan ahile ukta avases museum ma rakhiyeko chha ra nepalka bahunharule( ramapikatas) bhani namangkaran garekachhan. Yesma pani prasta rupma bahunbad ladiyeko chha.
Haami Gurung (tama) haru Nepal ko himal pahad tarai ko sero phero ma rahaney nanga jaati haru haoun. Prithvi ko shristi pachi yehi himal pahad tarai ko sero phero ka hawa paani maato aago ra Aakash ko chatra muni utpati bhayeka maanab jaati ho.
Dr Tek Bahadur Gurung ko anusandhan ko suruwat kina Gurung haru 16/4 bhanchan? Yo 16/4 hoina hami sabai yeutai houn bhanne bhayeko hunale waha ko khoj ko adhar migration nai ho bhanne concept bata ayeko bichar ho bhani manna sakincha. Gurung haru ko 16/4 bhanne yo yek-apas ma phutaune ra Raj garne Hindu Arya Khas haru ko rajnitik sutra ho. Hami Gurung haru Nepal ko Indigenous ho bhanne concept liyera agadi badne bicharliyeko chu. Tesaile dekha parisakeko kura haru ko adhar ma nai tekera Gurung ko history khojne kram ma chu. Tesaile comments haru garchu jhagada garchu ani satya tathya ke ho sabai bata ayeko kura haru lai kelaunchu. Comments haru dwara pani dherai kura haru sikincha. Garho afthyaro namannu hola. Sabai Gurung haru yek bhayera afno history khojoun. Katai janu pardaina yehi wari pari chan. Example: kina mama samdha samdhini lai Jethan lai bolaunda kina Ho-axia, Axiao, Axion bhancha? Kina Jwain lai Moh bhancha? Kyon toh Zhou ? Yesari kina sodhincha bhanne kura haru ko pani bhitra pasnu parcha. Kina Gurung haru ko village ko naam bhayeko thaun ma khss arya haru pani baschan, khas arya haru le Nepali bhasha bolda kina Gurung haru ko jastai uccharan garchan, khas arya haru le Rai Limbu basne thaun ma Rai limbu ko jastai kina uccharan garchan. Yesto kura haru bhitra pani pashnu parcha. Gurung haru le Leader (Raja) lai Mru bhancha. Raja ko manche bhannu paryo bhane Mru-mhi (mrumhi) bhanchan. Kina Tamang haru lai mrumi bhancha? Kina Gurung Thakali Tamang haru ko bhasa milcha? Kina Patzu Lama, Gyapri Lama, Paidi Lama, Tamang Lama kina bhancha? Kina Tama bhancha? Kina Tamang bhancha? Kina Thakali bhancha? Kina Tharu bhancha? Yesto kura haru khojnu jaruri cha. Thekale = Thakali, Tharu = Thaku. Yi sabai manish haru utpatti samaya pachi hami haru sangai najik ma cha. Gurung ko yekta le harayeka dajyu bhai Didi Bahini haru lai yek thounma lyauna sakincha. Gandaki lai sansar samu chinaouna sakincha. Kina Gandaki? Kina Bhote? Kina Bhot bhaninthyo jaha Gurung haru basdathyo etc haru bhitra pasera niskarsha nikalnu parcha. Praman sahit history lai khojnu parcha. Lamichane haina Lamaazhoume ho, kone haina Kongme ho, Lham haina Lamaa ho. Gyapri patzu sabai Lamaa ho, ghale haina Gao-lee ho. Yeuta kura dhyan ma rahanu parcha tyo ho Buddha Nepal ko ho ra buddha kalin samaya bhanda purano culture Nepal ma thiyo ta tyo Daoism culture Lamaa, Gao-Lee (ghale) dwara ayeka hun bhane Confucius Kongme, Lamaazhoume bata bhitriyeko ho. Buddha kalin samaya pachi patzu Lamaa, Gyapri Lamaa le Bon shamans culture liyera ayeka hun. Buddha matra Tama (gurung) haru ko santan le janmayeko culture ho. Mru Shu Dao Tama (shuddodana) , Buddha ( Gao Tama) , buddha shudaotama ko Ba Shahanu Tama (Chyahuna tama) Yehi nai satyata ho. Ajako India ma Buddha kalin samaya ma Baidik dharma lambi haru thiye jaslai hindu dharma bhandachan ra Nepal ma Daoism ra Confucius culture thiyo jaslai dharma haina sanskaar bhanchan. Gao Tama Buddha ko teacher nai Lao Tzu lai mandachan. Lao Tzu ko asli naam Li Er ho. Gurung haru le Kul Bhagwan lai La (Lu) pani bhanchan. KoLa sonthar ka Raja ko naam Cho, Ko,, Go, Gua , Gao etc ma kunai yek hunu parcha ra guru ko rupma La (Lao Tzu) lai bhaniyeko ho bhani bujincha. Sonthar tin wata thar Lamaa, Lamaazhoume, Kongme lai bhaniyeko ho. Yesai samaya ko waripari Gurung haru le afno sabhyata ko bikas gareko paincha. Jasko phalswarup Tarai ko bhubhag Kohlaiya (Lumbini) ma rajya sthapana garna pugey. Pahila patak La (Lao Tzu) dwara Rajya ko system ya philosophy bhaniyo. Tesaile Kopilabastu bhani naam rahana gayo. Ko-Pay-La-Ba-Se-Ta ( KO raja ko PAY (system) LA BA le SUNAYEKO KURA). Yo apabhansa bhayera Kapilabastu huna pugyo. Kola sonthar ko Pay (system) lagu gari Raja Shu Dao Tama ko Ba lai Mru bhani ghosana gariyo ra sabai lai Mru Kya hindnu bhane pachi sabai janata Mru Kya hindna thale ra yeuta naya rajya ko sthapana bhayo. Mru kya = Leader ko bato. Mru Kya apabhansa bhayera MUKHYA huna pugyo. Tesaile Gurung haru dekhine manisharu Himal dekhi Tarai samman payincha. KOLA SONTHAR bata ayeko system ya culture ya philosophy bhayeko hunale KOLAYA (Ko-Li-Er) hundai kohliya bhani naam rahana gayeko dekhincha.
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so we gurung r chinese 😂😂😂
Malai NI testai lagethyo bro yrr pailai dekhi🤣
@@BishalGg-pv8qlPeople with Tibetan DNA will get a result as Chinese coz at the moment Tibet comes under China. Even Bhutanese get results as Chinese 😂
K vanya hhola ke enhlish ma vannu ya nepalima afno raya ne vannus kun chai thik lagyo
Baigyanik J.F.Hudson ko netritoma Nepalko Palpa jillama b.s.2039sal tadnusar A.D.1983 ma bhetiyeko manav avases DNA dwara parikchhan garda aaj bhanda 1,20,00,000 barsa aghiko bhani pusti gareka chhan. Ke J.F. Hudson galti thiyeta? Yedi sahi ho bhane Mongol naslaka samudaye sarbapartham Nepal(mount everest bat suru bhayeko arthat utpati bhayeko manav samudaye ho bhani manna sakinchha) Ukta manab avases ahilepani nepalko museum ma rakhiyeko chha ra ramapikatasko banggara ho bhani bathaa taathaa harule bhanne gareka chhan yesma gahiro mansaye raheko dekhin chha ra dr. Saable DNA parikchhan garnu bhaye ati ramro hunethiyo bhani biswas gardachhu .
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