Don't drink the marketing Koolaid of any brand for a start. Locked infrastructure/cloud software is a disaster waiting to happen. As a Laser user their is a lot to recommend avoiding the Glowforge over other options for less $ and more size/power.
Before my Glowforge arrived I had a bunch of designs that as luck would have it will never work in this universe. #1 you are cutting a plane object. Even something like leather will bend easily but double curves are hard or impossible. To directly bend even leather into a sphere or (irony alert) saddle shape is either very hard or impossible. #2 Lasers fire directly down. If the direction you want is anything but down it will not happen, In a Glowforge you have a half-inch or at best two inches without the crumb tray but the cuttable area is still that half inch. I had some big trays I wanted to engrave the center of but the edges were over that half inch and there was no way to get to that area. if the sides were low enough to get over the center was below the cuttable range. Many other designs needed non-verticle cuts and I ended up doing a lot of sanding. #3 You will still need to finish the piece. If you were using a scroll saw the saw part would be 2/3 of the effort but the rest of a shop would still be needed. The Glowforge replaces the saw very much better than the scroll saw could accomplish, but it replaces only that. #4 Deep relief carving can be amazing and I do a lot of that, but be prepared for 3D printing like timescales. A 3-hour relief carving will usually spend less than a minute cutting. #5 The Glowforge will cut a half-inch but most materials it can cut, cannot be cut if they are a half-inch thick. Maple or walnut can be cut when very thick but many wood species will become Ash (even Ash will become ash) before you can cut all the way through. Some exotics like Zebrawood or some things called mahogany (but not all) though very hard burn very easily and getting through the entire cut without becoming Ash, even in 1/4 inch wood is very hard There is more but that will do for a start.
Thanks for the comments. We engrave in leather all the time. You just need to use Honeycomb pins. You can see that in our latest episode (how to laser ALMOST anything). Lasers do fire directly down and mostly that's for saftey, you need to keep the laser light contained. I'd love to see other designs that have that figured out if you have links let us know. to your final point we want to perform a test to see what the laser can actually do!
I am interested in laser engraving silver and copper coins for logo placement without the need for a space-consuming pneumatic press or a CNC machine. I was told the laser on the Glowforge was not of adequate strength, but there are others that might be?
this is so insanely helpful. it doesn't turn me off from getting a Glowforge, but it does help me feel more prepared before getting one. Thanks so much you guys!
I wanted to add a note; those vinyl record clocks are usually cut out using a water jet cutter rather than a laser cutter when they're automated, but can also be done with a scroll saw if you practice. In case anyone was wondering how that's done.
When GF first hit the gofundme scene, I was very impressed, and was considering the passthrough version. I did my research first, a very in depth research in fact because $8K is a LOT of money for a hobby laser. The cloud based functionality was a major turn off for me. I'm in IT, specifically security, and I don't like the Cloud. Ask Capital One why. Aside from that, it has great potential. A few things I discovered after doing research. Laser tubes need to be kept cool for them to last. Overheat a tube and the CO2 mixture loses it 2 part and becomes CO, and no longer functions. I could not find any specs on the GF cooling system, so is it a glass tube, or electronic? Very few lasers use electronic tubes, which have huge heat sinks and fans to keep them cool, Epilog is one of them, and VERY expensive. Replacements are also a LOT more expensive than $499. Try 4-5 times that. Fume Extraction is a big one, which was well covered in this video. In the end I wound up spending about $2500 on a Ebay Chaser(Chinese Laser). It has a 28x20 bed, which is the size I need for the projects I do. It is HUGE, weighs nearly 500 pounds, does not sit on a table, requires a separate water chiller, and a large extraction fan is a must. It is not as super functional as the GF, requires separate software to run it, and separate software to create with. The Laser tube is over-rated, it is sold as 60 Watt, but is actually 50 Watt. These are the things to be aware of when looking at the cheap lasers. They are however upgradable, I can easily go to a 100 Watt tube if I want to. Compared to the GF though, the software and camera system is what makes the GF stand out from all the rest, and if one can afford it, it is a great machine, provided you have Internet. Oh and these DON'T work on dial-up! If you can't afford one, there are alternatives, but Do Your Research first, if you don't you will get burned. One more thing, it was mentioned about baby sitting. Make sure there is a fire extinguisher sitting near the machine and another by the door to the room it is located in, just in case you step away and it goes boom. The one by the door is especially important, because if the machine goes up, you may not be able to reach the one next to it if you had stepped away! Also, if cutting a lot of acrylics, don't use a honeycomb bed, use a steel plate with legs to support the work. What you can't see with the honeycomb is the offgassing when cutting condenses on the honeycomb over time, and that is what will actually start on fire, not the piece you are cutting, but the bed itself. I know, TL;DR Have fun Forging
Great comment one of the best we've had thanks!. We love our passthrough...even use it in our latest video! My only issue is the $8000 price tag. It's not quite that unless you add tax? I just priced it, and with the pass-through version and the $1000 filter, and expedited shipping it's still not $8k. That said it's still an expensive investment. You mentioned the IT security side. My day job is actually with an IT software company, and I looked at this with our head of our patching/security solution. The idea of a 45W laser being controlled from the cloud seriously worried him. Once I explained the function of the laser and that it WILL not start unless the physical button is pushed and that the bottom has a mirrored piece of steel on the bottom so the laser can't cut through the bottom, his only concern was the fact that it was potentially an open, potentially unpatched endpoint on the network. Valid concern. Glowforge does a great job of pushing updates through to the machine. So I'm not worried about Patches. However, if you're concerned with it being cloud-based, I do know that there is a project underway to provide a local on-prem solution for the Glowforge.
@@SaltMakeCity Thanks. At the time that I was looking, it was ~$8K after all was said and done with shipping, filter, etc. Price may have dropped a bit since then. I haven't looked since I now have a good working laser setup. I just looked and it has dropped about $1500 for the pro since the last time I had looked, which was when they were first shipping.
@@omotolaokunola-umejei5539 Yeah, I have one of those 60 Watt 700 x 500 mm (28" x 20") laser engravers from Ebay. It is solidly built, has good guideways, Ruida controller, and a really loud blower. A good chiller, like the CW-5200 is a must if you want the tube to last. Laser, plus residential delivery fee, and the CW-5200, along with some software ran me right around $2500. It is heavy, and it is big. I have it in my basement workshop, and it does disassemble to make it easier to move. Once I got good mirrors and a 2" lens on it, it now cuts really good for what my plans for it are. Do not expect it to have high quality cutting out of the box, it does take time to get everything aligned and set up, and it is also a very good idea to install a milliamp meter on it so the tube doesn't get over driven. These are things you pay the extra for on the GlowForge. The software, good lens and mirrors, and aligned properly out of the box. If you don't think you can do all the fine tuning, and modifications, the Ebay Chaser is not for you, but if you have that ability, and not afraid to wire in the meter, then it's a excellent choice.
acdii alright. Many thanks for the reply. What do you think about the dremel lazer , the glowforge and the makeblock laser box. Which would you go for of the 3? Thanks
Oh my gosh, your video is fabulous! I bought a Glowforge several months ago and am just now getting started with it. I set it up, chose a file, and went to print it and realized, as you stated here, the Glowforge is NOT plug and play! I love all the tips you shared here as well as the links you provided. Thank you so much - this is invaluable for newbies like me!
Thank you SO MUCH for this video. I was considering this product after a TH-camr used it to create something in her video, that I am trying to find a way to do myself, but I was completely clueless. I thank Jesus for getting me to your video and saving me a LOT of headache.
Yes I see this a lot in sublimation too! People heating pvc and releasing chlorine gas - but they say “I feel fine” 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ thanks for bringing that up!
I'm so glad to have found this video pop up on my feed. I am a maker of all sorts of things that I sell on Etsy. Of course, this magical machine is one of the things I want so badly but just can't afford yet. This is one of the best REAL resources out there that tells the truth about some information, that I had to look at from so many other resources, all right here in one video. The noise and ventilation is definitely not transparent in any other video that I've seen. I actually know that it probably would be very inappropriate for my 2nd bedroom condo workspace! I look forward to checking out some of your other videos!
That's awesome thank you! Go check out the GlowForge User Group. There are plenty of other Etsy makers in there that have bought lasers and it's quickly paid for itself!
Looking into buying one and I'm so glad I learned that about PVC. Yikes, that was the main material I had questions about. Great video! So helpful and you guys are so easy to listen to!
Laurie White so glad you saw this! Yeah you don’t want to make that mistake! There are a few helpful links in the notes of some resources of what to and what not to cut!
Hi. Great and informative video. You spoke about the in-line fan that you purchased that is much quieter than the one that comes inside of the glow Forge. Yes I understand it’s a 6 inch opening that needs to be brought down to a 4 inch opening, but how do you turn off the fan inside the glow Forge in favor of using this fan? Obviously I haven’t purchased my glow Forge yet Love the idea of making it quieter by purchasing a different fan. Thank you for making these videos and answering comment questions.
Thank you. This is helpful. I am saving to purchase a high-end Glowforge product. So, I'm taking the time to gather as much information as possible so that I can get the best out of my purchase, and practice maximum safety at all times. This is exciting technology. I look forward to additional videos on this and similar products.
You covered good things here, but I think a big question people might ask is what really is the difference between a K40 and a Glowforge or FSL Muse. I just ordered a Glowforge. I have a K40 that I did a lot of work tweaking. All in I have about $1500 in the K40. Started with a good one shipped inside the states, developed a cooling system, added a new brain, installed a amp meter, cut down the exhaust vent to make clearance, bought good software (Lightburn), added air assist, better in line exhaust fan, cable chain, new mirrors and lenses. It isn't a bad machine. It gets the job done. The case leaks like a sieve and no matter what you do, you have to vent the whole room. It isn't the most precise thing in the world, and the work area is functionally like 8 x 10 inches. I have done some cool stuff with it, I made the sea ghost for a D&D campaign in 28mm scale with 4 levels, it went over really well in game. But I did set fire to the thing trying to cut an intricate design for another project. No major damage, but I used to be a firefighter and didn't panic. So there is that. Do not leave these things unattended. This isn't a real comparison of the machines, just a quick take.
Thanks! Yeah, we don't' have experience with a K40 or an FSL Muse. Sounds like we made the good call there. You're right though never EVER leave these things unattended! When we had our "meltdown" we were also cutting a rather detailed design, as a cover for my Salt Water Fish Tank.
Very informative, and has given me food for thought. Do you have info comparing these Glow Forge lasers with others? I’m still researching what will be the best machine for me.
sooooooo many of my friends on facebook are getting into laser printers...and im intrigued. would love to see you guys do a demo on making your leather tags.. i love them!
Thanks for the informative video. You should do videos of lasering/“glowforging” different objects like you mentioned such as volcanic rocks, gems, a skateboard etc. it would be interesting to see.
A huge Thank you to you guys. I am still doing my research as to why I want one. At present where I would set it up doesn’t have ventilation so I’m not ready to invest. I am also unsure if I should start with the glowforge aura or go all out and purchase the glowforge pro. Anyway, I am grateful I came across your post because it has stopped me just going out and buying something that I may not have the right environment to use.
Hey guys! Thanks for the good content. I've been doing a bunch of researching online attempting to find a video that shows the glowforge's capabilities with cutting different kinds of hardwood as well as their thicknesses. I want to cut 1/4" perhaps up to 1/2". The online community does have ambiguous answers but I think a video would do this topic justice! How many passes, what kind of wood, wood thickness etc. What's your experience with such things?
Thank you so much for making this video. I really want a Glowforge, but I now know that I don't enough space to properly handle it. Also I wasn't aware that you needed to replace parts to the tune of $500 every 2 years. Not a lot of money but it is something to consider for a casual user. I guess I'll stay in my lane with a Cricut
There are now multiple ways to replace the tube. You can send it in, or replace it on your own for cheaper!. Also it depends how much you're using the Glowforge...
If you don't use it that much it will last longer than 2 years before replacing parts. You would probably get 4-6 years out of it before replacing parts.
@@SaltMakeCity I think replacing it on your own is bad advice. I know the original sales pitch mentioned being able to replace your own tube but If I remember correctly you get no directions and unless you do this sort of thing for a living I doubt you would have much success as it requires some high tech jigs for alignment.
Thank you very much for your information about Glowforge. I've been thinking about getting one and these tips are valuable. You are darling and honest, thank you so much.
Hi, not sure how important this is but your link for the 6" fan actually takes you to the 4" version. I wasn't paying attention to that little fact and ending up buying it. Hopefully it will be adequate :)
What a nice piece of "infomercial" !! You failed to mention the kickback you get when people buy a Glowforge through the nice link you posted ! Some people are much more upfront about it !!
Dude! What difference does it make if they did a great job informing folks like me. i don't know many business minded folk who do things for totally free. They can have my kickback. They've earned it in my book.
Very useful video, thank you. I can't afford one yet, but am trying to research to make sure it's what I should get when I finally can make the purchase.
Thank you for the video. I’m thinking of getting a Glowforge to make gifts for friends and family. I really appreciate the insight. As an old Army nerd, I did notice safety was pretty low on your list of things to know. I look forward to making things. Again, thank you for the very informative video.
Great job on this video guys. I appreciate the links as well. i hope you both have a blessed weekend and I hope you and your families are all staying healthy. Dale
I believe you have the Pro - I’m very curious to see how the pass thru bed works, will help me decide if I buy the Pro or the Plus..... can you do a demonstration? And they say the Pro includes laser training, what is that like? Thanks!
Rice Kake we’ll cross that bridge in the event we ever need to, but I would imagine that they would allow for open source access to their firmware to allow their machines to be used in the event they shut down. That being said, I don’t have any reason to believe they’re in jeopardy.
We've learned there is currently a project in taking the software out of the cloud so you could store it locally on an on-prem machine. When that happens we will update everyone.
@@SaltMakeCity That's what makes me not want to purchase the GF. That and the fact that they can use the camera to see everything you make or cut. What keeps them from knocking off your idea.
I routinely cut clear acrylic from the hardware store. I use the 0.20” thick sheets (your queried 1/8” is 0.125”). Glowforge has zero problems cutting my thicker sheets. Power is set to full and head speed at 125 (out of 500 for cutting). For thinner acrylic sheets, set a faster head speed. As for engraving, that’s basically a “cut” that doesn’t go all the way through. One of the Glowforge Acrylic engrave settings is 70% power and a 545 (out of 1000) head speed. You’re free to vary these numbers to discover new results. Beyond basic engraving, the Glowforge’s fancy-special custom power supply enables true 3D engraving using grayscale depthmap images.
I’m adding a laser cutter to my arsenal in about a years time so I’m starting my research. Your video quality is awesome and my! You guys are hot! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥😆
I was thinking about a glowforge but after a lot of research I’m thinking about a thunder laser for almost the same price more work area and more power but probably not as user friendly but research showed it pretty easy to learn light burn so I guess I’m wondering if you think glowforge would be better and why
glowforge is a "scam". there are lasers out there for half the price with the same or even better performance. every youtuber is just advertising these things because they get paid 500$ if u buy over their link. thats why they push that thing so hard
My wife and I are looking at purchasing a glowforge and one concern I have is that you said it is 100% cloud only access. So what would happen if, God forbid, glowforge went out of business? Would I be sitting here with a very expensive paper weight? Or if they decided to no longer support the model I owned. For instance I also own a first generation circut. I love it but it's not supported anymore. Fortunately I can plug into it and use some 3rd party software to use it to cut with.
Question: if I get a glowforge air filter, Do I still need to have the fan that you have attached? Because I do not want to have that noise in my house,
Is it possible to cut a stencil that I can use over and over with their proof grade material? I have this beautiful poem I want to do over a canvas print of a rocking chair. I’m thinking the words will be about 1 - 1.5 inches in size?
Beautifully shot video. Actual footage of the GlowForge would have been nice. Like when you talked about the fan sound, a shot of yours running with sound would be helpful.
Sustained a concussion 2 years ago, been unemployed for 2 years and with certain lingering symptoms still hanging on I am trying to find something I can make money with other than computer repair work (extremely slow in my area) and thinking this might be a good fit for some income flow. Excellent video, trying to decide because even at $3-4k it is a lot of money if it does not pan out.
Brilliant video, you've saved me 10k, was about to buy two of the pro's here in the UK but I'm not prepared to use a tool that relies on cloud software to operate, especially as I bet there are clauses in the ULA that make designs open source. Sorry Glowforge, I didn't spend 4 years pursuing a patent with reg'd designs to make my invention a community asset.
Nice Video guys very informative. Rural living has its drawbacks. The internet is very intermittent and weather dependent. I really was considering a glow forge to compliment my camio 3. Cloud storage is regrettably a deal breaker.
I am so glad I watched your video. I was thinking about joining this community of creaters but I have realized this is not for me. Its a really cool craft and I can see there is a lot of money that could be made. Like anything you have to be knowledgeable about your equipment. There is so much you need to learn that I felt overwhelmed. I wish the best of luck to anyone who wants to invest in this cool equipment. But please make sure you do your research and know what your doing.
I just ordered the Glowforge Plus and you have made me a bit nervous to use it. I will be placing it on the work cabinet in the garage. I can open the garage door to aide the ventilation.
Debbie, no need to be nervous! Just vent it and you'll be fine! Just be careful what you're using (ie no PVC) and you'll be okay! Our added fan made a HUGE difference in the ventilation and it's much more quiet!
@@SaltMakeCity I did order the inline fan, the reducers I had ordered went out of stock so I have to purchase those again. Another question, if you know the answer. Some dryers are vented using something like a small pail with water in it, the hose is attached to that so it vents into the pail with water. You disconnect and dump the water now and then. Would this be a way I can do this with the Glowforge. I am in an adult community so I don't want to put up a piece of cardboard in the window with the hose sticking out.
@@debbiecook2788 No, not if I understand this question. You are not venting lint. It has to be vented outside due to the fumes. Either that or into the filter unit they sell, however these filters are very expensive and depending what you cut they can fill up in as little as 10 hours. They cost $250 so unless you have deep pockets the vent hose outside is your best option.
We have done some etching in stone, in fact we’ve done some super cool stuff with some chunks of obsidian we found in Idaho. It’s certainly capable of etching rock, but probably not enough horsepower to cut it.
Mike Heffner we haven’t taken any pictures of them because they were mostly proof of concept, and unfortunately the only large scale one we had got broken, but we have plenty more obsidian. We can do a video specifically about etching on obsidian. How’s that for unique content? 👍🏻
The commercials make it look so fun & easy. I had no idea. Thx for the info. You certainly opened my eyes. Continued good luck to you & your company. Love the name.
I'm trying to convince my husband that we should invest in a Glowforge. As I was sharing everything with him and explaining some of the things in the video, he had some questions, the main one being about the time frame. You mentioned potential replacement for the tube would be roughly $500 every 2ish years. What is the average number of hours of use with that? I'm looking at the Pro for the all day printing to use with a small business, so potentially several hours a day, multiple times a week. Will the laser typically last the 2 years or will it probably need replaced sooner than that based on the use?
Have you by any chance bought the laser and used it, I’m planning on buying a pro for my small business but I would like some insight from someone who’s worked with the laser
@@louisamaan3067glowforge is a "scam". there are lasers out there for half the price with the same or even better performance. every youtuber is just advertising these things because they get paid 500$ if u buy over their link. thats why they push that thing so hard
Thanks for the sub! Keep commenting! We look for video ideas from the comments we get. You guys are as much a part of Salt Make City s we are! Without you guys there is no one to share content with!
I create etched items using copper, brass, nickel and sterling silver. The metal is 18 gauge and needs to be etched/engraved enough for me to fill it with enamel paint or epoxy resin. Can a Glowforge do this?
Any suggestions - What would be the best laser cutter for me if I am needing to make a chocolate bar package. I anticipate using 100 to 110 lb paper. I'd like to be able to cut more than one or two at a time. Size would be approximately 15 x 9 inches. But, I'd like to be able to have a bigger size to be able to also cut boxes of multiple types. It's just a little start up chocolate company so I'd like to reduce cost to get boxes and packaging for product.
I was planning on getting GF in the future, but wasn’t about to sink several thousand dollars in my first engraver. I picked one off Amazon for about $300, it had to be assembled myself, and it has no clear preview mode. But it’s good for a learning tool and gaining experience as a first time user. Thanks for the tips on the Glow Forge!
Can you post the link for the machine you purchased? Interested in incorporating engraving and cutting into my apparel and gift decorating business but not ready to invest thousands of dollars
Great video. If the device is internet only, where are your own files stored? If your own files are stored in the cloud are they private or public and if the company goes bust do you loose your work? Cheers guys
I don't own any laser cutter/printer. I guess my question would be if the Glowforge could do pattern designs on a polymer frame of like a Glock hand gun for example.
For starters a decent computer and internet connection is required. I live in the sticks of Colorado and only get around 5mbps internet speed (Which is really slow) and that works with the forge. We just got ours this weekend and made our first cuts within an hour. Adobe and illustrator experience was helpful but not required. I have none of those skills and I was printing things all weekend.
Question of the week: What are the things you would like to know before you invest in a laser?
Best eye protection options, and how important it is.
Don't drink the marketing Koolaid of any brand for a start. Locked infrastructure/cloud software is a disaster waiting to happen. As a Laser user their is a lot to recommend avoiding the Glowforge over other options for less $ and more size/power.
Before my Glowforge arrived I had a bunch of designs that as luck would have it will never work in this universe.
#1 you are cutting a plane object. Even something like leather will bend easily but double curves are hard or impossible. To directly bend even leather into a sphere or (irony alert) saddle shape is either very hard or impossible.
#2 Lasers fire directly down. If the direction you want is anything but down it will not happen, In a Glowforge you have a half-inch or at best two inches without the crumb tray but the cuttable area is still that half inch. I had some big trays I wanted to engrave the center of but the edges were over that half inch and there was no way to get to that area. if the sides were low enough to get over the center was below the cuttable range.
Many other designs needed non-verticle cuts and I ended up doing a lot of sanding.
#3 You will still need to finish the piece. If you were using a scroll saw the saw part would be 2/3 of the effort but the rest of a shop would still be needed. The Glowforge replaces the saw very much better than the scroll saw could accomplish, but it replaces only that.
#4 Deep relief carving can be amazing and I do a lot of that, but be prepared for 3D printing like timescales. A 3-hour relief carving will usually spend less than a minute cutting.
#5 The Glowforge will cut a half-inch but most materials it can cut, cannot be cut if they are a half-inch thick. Maple or walnut can be cut when very thick but many wood species will become Ash (even Ash will become ash) before you can cut all the way through. Some exotics like Zebrawood or some things called mahogany (but not all) though very hard burn very easily and getting through the entire cut without becoming Ash, even in 1/4 inch wood is very hard
There is more but that will do for a start.
Thanks for the comments. We engrave in leather all the time. You just need to use Honeycomb pins. You can see that in our latest episode (how to laser ALMOST anything). Lasers do fire directly down and mostly that's for saftey, you need to keep the laser light contained. I'd love to see other designs that have that figured out if you have links let us know.
to your final point we want to perform a test to see what the laser can actually do!
I am interested in laser engraving silver and copper coins for logo placement without the need for a space-consuming pneumatic press or a CNC machine. I was told the laser on the Glowforge was not of adequate strength, but there are others that might be?
this is so insanely helpful. it doesn't turn me off from getting a Glowforge, but it does help me feel more prepared before getting one. Thanks so much you guys!
I wanted to add a note; those vinyl record clocks are usually cut out using a water jet cutter rather than a laser cutter when they're automated, but can also be done with a scroll saw if you practice. In case anyone was wondering how that's done.
We were absolutely wondering how it was done! We suspected water-jet, but wasn't for sure! Thanks
More often they are made with old school coping saws (which have very narrow blades). Power tools aren't the best option for every job.
When GF first hit the gofundme scene, I was very impressed, and was considering the passthrough version. I did my research first, a very in depth research in fact because $8K is a LOT of money for a hobby laser. The cloud based functionality was a major turn off for me. I'm in IT, specifically security, and I don't like the Cloud. Ask Capital One why. Aside from that, it has great potential. A few things I discovered after doing research. Laser tubes need to be kept cool for them to last. Overheat a tube and the CO2 mixture loses it 2 part and becomes CO, and no longer functions. I could not find any specs on the GF cooling system, so is it a glass tube, or electronic? Very few lasers use electronic tubes, which have huge heat sinks and fans to keep them cool, Epilog is one of them, and VERY expensive. Replacements are also a LOT more expensive than $499. Try 4-5 times that. Fume Extraction is a big one, which was well covered in this video.
In the end I wound up spending about $2500 on a Ebay Chaser(Chinese Laser). It has a 28x20 bed, which is the size I need for the projects I do. It is HUGE, weighs nearly 500 pounds, does not sit on a table, requires a separate water chiller, and a large extraction fan is a must. It is not as super functional as the GF, requires separate software to run it, and separate software to create with. The Laser tube is over-rated, it is sold as 60 Watt, but is actually 50 Watt. These are the things to be aware of when looking at the cheap lasers. They are however upgradable, I can easily go to a 100 Watt tube if I want to.
Compared to the GF though, the software and camera system is what makes the GF stand out from all the rest, and if one can afford it, it is a great machine, provided you have Internet. Oh and these DON'T work on dial-up! If you can't afford one, there are alternatives, but Do Your Research first, if you don't you will get burned.
One more thing, it was mentioned about baby sitting. Make sure there is a fire extinguisher sitting near the machine and another by the door to the room it is located in, just in case you step away and it goes boom. The one by the door is especially important, because if the machine goes up, you may not be able to reach the one next to it if you had stepped away! Also, if cutting a lot of acrylics, don't use a honeycomb bed, use a steel plate with legs to support the work. What you can't see with the honeycomb is the offgassing when cutting condenses on the honeycomb over time, and that is what will actually start on fire, not the piece you are cutting, but the bed itself.
I know, TL;DR Have fun Forging
Great comment one of the best we've had thanks!. We love our passthrough...even use it in our latest video! My only issue is the $8000 price tag. It's not quite that unless you add tax? I just priced it, and with the pass-through version and the $1000 filter, and expedited shipping it's still not $8k. That said it's still an expensive investment. You mentioned the IT security side. My day job is actually with an IT software company, and I looked at this with our head of our patching/security solution. The idea of a 45W laser being controlled from the cloud seriously worried him. Once I explained the function of the laser and that it WILL not start unless the physical button is pushed and that the bottom has a mirrored piece of steel on the bottom so the laser can't cut through the bottom, his only concern was the fact that it was potentially an open, potentially unpatched endpoint on the network. Valid concern. Glowforge does a great job of pushing updates through to the machine. So I'm not worried about Patches. However, if you're concerned with it being cloud-based, I do know that there is a project underway to provide a local on-prem solution for the Glowforge.
@@SaltMakeCity Thanks. At the time that I was looking, it was ~$8K after all was said and done with shipping, filter, etc. Price may have dropped a bit since then. I haven't looked since I now have a good working laser setup. I just looked and it has dropped about $1500 for the pro since the last time I had looked, which was when they were first shipping.
acdii pls can you tell me which lazer you now have and are satisfied with . Thanks
@@omotolaokunola-umejei5539 Yeah, I have one of those 60 Watt 700 x 500 mm (28" x 20") laser engravers from Ebay. It is solidly built, has good guideways, Ruida controller, and a really loud blower. A good chiller, like the CW-5200 is a must if you want the tube to last. Laser, plus residential delivery fee, and the CW-5200, along with some software ran me right around $2500. It is heavy, and it is big. I have it in my basement workshop, and it does disassemble to make it easier to move. Once I got good mirrors and a 2" lens on it, it now cuts really good for what my plans for it are. Do not expect it to have high quality cutting out of the box, it does take time to get everything aligned and set up, and it is also a very good idea to install a milliamp meter on it so the tube doesn't get over driven. These are things you pay the extra for on the GlowForge. The software, good lens and mirrors, and aligned properly out of the box. If you don't think you can do all the fine tuning, and modifications, the Ebay Chaser is not for you, but if you have that ability, and not afraid to wire in the meter, then it's a excellent choice.
acdii alright. Many thanks for the reply. What do you think about the dremel lazer , the glowforge and the makeblock laser box. Which would you go for of the 3? Thanks
Oh my gosh, your video is fabulous! I bought a Glowforge several months ago and am just now getting started with it. I set it up, chose a file, and went to print it and realized, as you stated here, the Glowforge is NOT plug and play! I love all the tips you shared here as well as the links you provided. Thank you so much - this is invaluable for newbies like me!
Thank you SO MUCH for this video. I was considering this product after a TH-camr used it to create something in her video, that I am trying to find a way to do myself, but I was completely clueless. I thank Jesus for getting me to your video and saving me a LOT of headache.
Yes I see this a lot in sublimation too! People heating pvc and releasing chlorine gas - but they say “I feel fine” 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ thanks for bringing that up!
This is hands down the best info I have seen. There are so many things I never even considered! Thank you so much for putting this together!
This was a great top ten. We just ordered a Glowforge, so this video was perfect for us.
You're gonna love it! Make sure you watch the video we posted about things you need after the Glowforge!
I’m getting my Glowforge Monday. I’m going to etch on bar necklaces and cut acrylic.
I'm so glad to have found this video pop up on my feed. I am a maker of all sorts of things that I sell on Etsy. Of course, this magical machine is one of the things I want so badly but just can't afford yet. This is one of the best REAL resources out there that tells the truth about some information, that I had to look at from so many other resources, all right here in one video. The noise and ventilation is definitely not transparent in any other video that I've seen. I actually know that it probably would be very inappropriate for my 2nd bedroom condo workspace! I look forward to checking out some of your other videos!
That's awesome thank you! Go check out the GlowForge User Group. There are plenty of other Etsy makers in there that have bought lasers and it's quickly paid for itself!
i was worried about the noise and smell too living in my condo....my neighbors would probably ask me to move :(
Looking into buying one and I'm so glad I learned that about PVC. Yikes, that was the main material I had questions about. Great video! So helpful and you guys are so easy to listen to!
Laurie White so glad you saw this! Yeah you don’t want to make that mistake! There are a few helpful links in the notes of some resources of what to and what not to cut!
Hi. Great and informative video. You spoke about the in-line fan that you purchased that is much quieter than the one that comes inside of the glow Forge. Yes I understand it’s a 6 inch opening that needs to be brought down to a 4 inch opening, but how do you turn off the fan inside the glow Forge in favor of using this fan? Obviously I haven’t purchased my glow Forge yet Love the idea of making it quieter by purchasing a different fan. Thank you for making these videos and answering comment questions.
I just want to engrave crystal grids on wood or leather, what's the best laser for this?
Super helpful. Thinking about purchasing a Glowforge so I’m thankful for these tips
Great info! Not even the leather makers out there showing using a glow forge are telling the dirty little MUST KNOW details. You guys rock!
Thank you. This is helpful. I am saving to purchase a high-end Glowforge product. So, I'm taking the time to gather as much information as possible so that I can get the best out of my purchase, and practice maximum safety at all times. This is exciting technology. I look forward to additional videos on this and similar products.
You covered good things here, but I think a big question people might ask is what really is the difference between a K40 and a Glowforge or FSL Muse. I just ordered a Glowforge. I have a K40 that I did a lot of work tweaking. All in I have about $1500 in the K40. Started with a good one shipped inside the states, developed a cooling system, added a new brain, installed a amp meter, cut down the exhaust vent to make clearance, bought good software (Lightburn), added air assist, better in line exhaust fan, cable chain, new mirrors and lenses. It isn't a bad machine. It gets the job done. The case leaks like a sieve and no matter what you do, you have to vent the whole room. It isn't the most precise thing in the world, and the work area is functionally like 8 x 10 inches. I have done some cool stuff with it, I made the sea ghost for a D&D campaign in 28mm scale with 4 levels, it went over really well in game. But I did set fire to the thing trying to cut an intricate design for another project. No major damage, but I used to be a firefighter and didn't panic. So there is that. Do not leave these things unattended. This isn't a real comparison of the machines, just a quick take.
Thanks! Yeah, we don't' have experience with a K40 or an FSL Muse. Sounds like we made the good call there. You're right though never EVER leave these things unattended! When we had our "meltdown" we were also cutting a rather detailed design, as a cover for my Salt Water Fish Tank.
Very informative, and has given me food for thought. Do you have info comparing these Glow Forge lasers with others? I’m still researching what will be the best machine for me.
My family owns a glow forge and a snap maker. The snap maker is cool it 3D prints does Cnc and laser engraving
Can you provide a demonstration of how you connected the fan and the ducting?
This should do the trick th-cam.com/video/zZYlsftavjc/w-d-xo.html
Great information!! I really want a glow forge. But now I need to think about when, how, and where I’ll have it. Thank you.
sooooooo many of my friends on facebook are getting into laser printers...and im intrigued. would love to see you guys do a demo on making your leather tags.. i love them!
We'll put it on our list. We
Excellent video!! I'm definitely considering getting a Glowforge and all of these are a MUST KNOW! Thanks gents - much appreciated!
Thank you for this, I think Santa might be bringing me a Glowforge for Christmas.
Did he?
how good were you?
@@amybroome9756 yes!
@@308tostart7 I must’ve been pretty good. I’m the proud owner of a Glowforge Pro
I love the honesty, this was very helpful, thank you
This was absolutely informative...can't believe there's dislikes
Thanks for the informative video. You should do videos of lasering/“glowforging” different objects like you mentioned such as volcanic rocks, gems, a skateboard etc. it would be interesting to see.
A huge Thank you to you guys. I am still doing my research as to why I want one. At present where I would set it up doesn’t have ventilation so I’m not ready to invest. I am also unsure if I should start with the glowforge aura or go all out and purchase the glowforge pro. Anyway, I am grateful I came across your post because it has stopped me just going out and buying something that I may not have the right environment to use.
This is one of the most helpful videos I found on this. Thank you!
What would you recommend for under $500 and maybe desktop size?
Hey guys! Thanks for the good content. I've been doing a bunch of researching online attempting to find a video that shows the glowforge's capabilities with cutting different kinds of hardwood as well as their thicknesses. I want to cut 1/4" perhaps up to 1/2". The online community does have ambiguous answers but I think a video would do this topic justice! How many passes, what kind of wood, wood thickness etc. What's your experience with such things?
Thank you so much for making this video. I really want a Glowforge, but I now know that I don't enough space to properly handle it. Also I wasn't aware that you needed to replace parts to the tune of $500 every 2 years. Not a lot of money but it is something to consider for a casual user. I guess I'll stay in my lane with a Cricut
There are now multiple ways to replace the tube. You can send it in, or replace it on your own for cheaper!. Also it depends how much you're using the Glowforge...
If you don't use it that much it will last longer than 2 years before replacing parts. You would probably get 4-6 years out of it before replacing parts.
@@SaltMakeCity I think replacing it on your own is bad advice. I know the original sales pitch mentioned being able to replace your own tube but If I remember correctly you get no directions and unless you do this sort of thing for a living I doubt you would have much success as it requires some high tech jigs for alignment.
@@beer1for2break3fast4 We can't really speak to that at this point, we haven't had to do that, we have replaced a cable.
Thank you very much for your information about Glowforge. I've been thinking about getting one and these tips are valuable. You are darling and honest, thank you so much.
Hi, not sure how important this is but your link for the 6" fan actually takes you to the 4" version. I wasn't paying attention to that little fact and ending up buying it. Hopefully it will be adequate :)
You talked about using an inline duct fan, because the built-in fan was so loud. If someone did this, would they remove/disable the built-in fan?
The laser cut records ARE cool - seems like you could dupe it by cutting a round piece of black acrylic and etching lines?
Thank you for your tips and honesty
about the dos and don’ts, they were very informative.
Thank you so much for this video. So many things I didn’t know were addressed here. May need to start out on a baby laser first
What a nice piece of "infomercial" !! You failed to mention the kickback you get when people buy a Glowforge through the nice link you posted ! Some people are much more upfront about it !!
Dude! What difference does it make if they did a great job informing folks like me. i don't know many business minded folk who do things for totally free. They can have my kickback. They've earned it in my book.
The best video on TH-cam! Thanks a lot 🙏
You are both amazing! Thank you so much for sharing! SAFETY FIRST!!!
That table is such a good idea, some images on it would be good too
Do they still make jiffy pop?????
Do you have a video where you show how to exchange the new inline fan onto the glowforge? Thanks!
Very very good information thank you I no longer want one I have kids around so this tutorial really help me
Thanks guys - considering a laser cutter for acrylic projects right now so this was very informative
Very useful video, thank you. I can't afford one yet, but am trying to research to make sure it's what I should get when I finally can make the purchase.
Thank you for the video. I’m thinking of getting a Glowforge to make gifts for friends and family. I really appreciate the insight. As an old Army nerd, I did notice safety was pretty low on your list of things to know.
I look forward to making things. Again, thank you for the very informative video.
Great job on this video guys. I appreciate the links as well. i hope you both have a blessed weekend and I hope you and your families are all staying healthy.
Dale
Thank you!!! You too!
What kind glow forge should I get to work on 2 o 3 mm of sterling silver sheets ?!
I believe you have the Pro - I’m very curious to see how the pass thru bed works, will help me decide if I buy the Pro or the Plus..... can you do a demonstration? And they say the Pro includes laser training, what is that like? Thanks!
So, if glowforge closes, im guessing the cloud goes with it and the ability to use the machine?
Rice Kake we’ll cross that bridge in the event we ever need to, but I would imagine that they would allow for open source access to their firmware to allow their machines to be used in the event they shut down. That being said, I don’t have any reason to believe they’re in jeopardy.
We've learned there is currently a project in taking the software out of the cloud so you could store it locally on an on-prem machine. When that happens we will update everyone.
@@SaltMakeCity That's what makes me not want to purchase the GF. That and the fact that they can use the camera to see everything you make or cut. What keeps them from knocking off your idea.
I'm just trying to cut cardstock to make car fresheners what cutter would make more sense
Speed Wrench Mobile Mechanics circuit cutting machine
Can I CUT clear acrylic as well as engrave clear acrylic with the basic glow forge? How much wattage does it take to cut 1/8" thick clear acrylic?
Yes of course you can. It has more than enough power to cut 1/8 in material.
I routinely cut clear acrylic from the hardware store. I use the 0.20” thick sheets (your queried 1/8” is 0.125”). Glowforge has zero problems cutting my thicker sheets. Power is set to full and head speed at 125 (out of 500 for cutting). For thinner acrylic sheets, set a faster head speed. As for engraving, that’s basically a “cut” that doesn’t go all the way through. One of the Glowforge Acrylic engrave settings is 70% power and a 545 (out of 1000) head speed. You’re free to vary these numbers to discover new results. Beyond basic engraving, the Glowforge’s fancy-special custom power supply enables true 3D engraving using grayscale depthmap images.
@@cartertg THANK YOU! Perfect answer that truly helps above and beyond!
Excellent video. Great stuff to be mindful of.
Glad it was helpful! Let us know if there's anything else you'd need!
I’m adding a laser cutter to my arsenal in about a years time so I’m starting my research. Your video quality is awesome and my! You guys are hot! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥😆
I was thinking about a glowforge but after a lot of research I’m thinking about a thunder laser for almost the same price more work area and more power but probably not as user friendly but research showed it pretty easy to learn light burn so I guess I’m wondering if you think glowforge would be better and why
glowforge is a "scam". there are lasers out there for half the price with the same or even better performance. every youtuber is just advertising these things because they get paid 500$ if u buy over their link. thats why they push that thing so hard
My wife and I are looking at purchasing a glowforge and one concern I have is that you said it is 100% cloud only access. So what would happen if, God forbid, glowforge went out of business? Would I be sitting here with a very expensive paper weight? Or if they decided to no longer support the model I owned. For instance I also own a first generation circut. I love it but it's not supported anymore. Fortunately I can plug into it and use some 3rd party software to use it to cut with.
Question: if I get a glowforge air filter, Do I still need to have the fan that you have attached? Because I do not want to have that noise in my house,
Great info guys, things that the average crafter won’t think about! Thanks
Trying to find out whether adding an inline fan will void the warranty
Is it possible to cut a stencil that I can use over and over with their proof grade material? I have this beautiful poem I want to do over a canvas print of a rocking chair. I’m thinking the words will be about 1 - 1.5 inches in size?
I want to engrave stainless cups and flasks, will the Aura do this?
Wonderful video very informative!! I’m looking into getting one !
Beautifully shot video. Actual footage of the GlowForge would have been nice. Like when you talked about the fan sound, a shot of yours running with sound would be helpful.
James, yeah, we made up for it in our next video. Thanks for the feedback. We’re still pretty early in this game, and learning.
Sustained a concussion 2 years ago, been unemployed for 2 years and with certain lingering symptoms still hanging on I am trying to find something I can make money with other than computer repair work (extremely slow in my area) and thinking this might be a good fit for some income flow. Excellent video, trying to decide because even at $3-4k it is a lot of money if it does not pan out.
Brilliant video, you've saved me 10k, was about to buy two of the pro's here in the UK but I'm not prepared to use a tool that relies on cloud software to operate, especially as I bet there are clauses in the ULA that make designs open source. Sorry Glowforge, I didn't spend 4 years pursuing a patent with reg'd designs to make my invention a community asset.
Excellent information that is very much appreciated!! 👍👍👍
Nice Video guys very informative. Rural living has its drawbacks. The internet is very intermittent and weather dependent. I really was considering a glow forge to compliment my camio 3. Cloud storage is regrettably a deal breaker.
You speak about the fan and ventilation. Can you show me how you set your machine up? Where do recommend people set this up, in their garage?
I am so glad I watched your video. I was thinking about joining this community of creaters but I have realized this is not for me. Its a really cool craft and I can see there is a lot of money that could be made. Like anything you have to be knowledgeable about your equipment. There is so much you need to learn that I felt overwhelmed. I wish the best of luck to anyone who wants to invest in this cool equipment. But please make sure you do your research and know what your doing.
Can you engrave tumblers and things like that?
Loved your video! I'm in the process of purchasing a glowforge. I wonder if you can explain better how you set up your clouldline fan
I just ordered the Glowforge Plus and you have made me a bit nervous to use it. I will be placing it on the work cabinet in the garage. I can open the garage door to aide the ventilation.
Debbie, no need to be nervous! Just vent it and you'll be fine! Just be careful what you're using (ie no PVC) and you'll be okay! Our added fan made a HUGE difference in the ventilation and it's much more quiet!
@@SaltMakeCity I did order the inline fan, the reducers I had ordered went out of stock so I have to purchase those again. Another question, if you know the answer. Some dryers are vented using something like a small pail with water in it, the hose is attached to that so it vents into the pail with water. You disconnect and dump the water now and then. Would this be a way I can do this with the Glowforge. I am in an adult community so I don't want to put up a piece of cardboard in the window with the hose sticking out.
@@debbiecook2788 No, not if I understand this question. You are not venting lint. It has to be vented outside due to the fumes. Either that or into the filter unit they sell, however these filters are very expensive and depending what you cut they can fill up in as little as 10 hours. They cost $250 so unless you have deep pockets the vent hose outside is your best option.
Good morning. I have a question. What the setting for cutting 1/4 acrylic?
What model did you purchase?
Hi there! I just bought the Glowforge AURA... do you know much about those?
Do you have another video with more detail about installing the external fan system?
Yes actually! th-cam.com/video/zZYlsftavjc/w-d-xo.html
GREAT info, guys. Thank you. SUPER INTRIGUED by one word you said; ROCKs. Can you tell me more?
We have done some etching in stone, in fact we’ve done some super cool stuff with some chunks of obsidian we found in Idaho. It’s certainly capable of etching rock, but probably not enough horsepower to cut it.
Thanks. Can I find images of your obsidian projects in your feed or site?
@@MikeHeffner202 We haven't dove too much into it, but we'll get some posted on the site today!
Mike Heffner we haven’t taken any pictures of them because they were mostly proof of concept, and unfortunately the only large scale one we had got broken, but we have plenty more obsidian. We can do a video specifically about etching on obsidian. How’s that for unique content? 👍🏻
@@SaltMakeCity YEAH! Right on. VERY responsive and very interesting. Bring it on!! Thanks, guys.
The commercials make it look so fun & easy. I had no idea. Thx for the info. You certainly opened my eyes. Continued good luck to you & your company. Love the name.
Glad it was helpful! It is pretty easy if you're just doing the basics! So much more you can do with it though!
I'm trying to convince my husband that we should invest in a Glowforge. As I was sharing everything with him and explaining some of the things in the video, he had some questions, the main one being about the time frame. You mentioned potential replacement for the tube would be roughly $500 every 2ish years. What is the average number of hours of use with that? I'm looking at the Pro for the all day printing to use with a small business, so potentially several hours a day, multiple times a week. Will the laser typically last the 2 years or will it probably need replaced sooner than that based on the use?
Have you by any chance bought the laser and used it, I’m planning on buying a pro for my small business but I would like some insight from someone who’s worked with the laser
@@louisamaan3067glowforge is a "scam". there are lasers out there for half the price with the same or even better performance. every youtuber is just advertising these things because they get paid 500$ if u buy over their link. thats why they push that thing so hard
How do you get rid of the burnt wood smell?
All great and important points for most lasers. Thanks!
I do glass blowing, are my goggles ok for the laser printer?
No mention of the K40?
Very helpful video. Always nice to hear people that enjoy their work. Thank you. i subscribed.
Thanks for the sub! Keep commenting! We look for video ideas from the comments we get. You guys are as much a part of Salt Make City s we are! Without you guys there is no one to share content with!
How thick of material will the Glowforge handle.
It really depends on what it is you're trying to do. Are you trying to Cut or just engrave?
Can I just buy the 4 Inch inline fan instead of the adapter?
Amazingly good information. Been looking at a Glowforge. this is some good info.
Will the in line fine eliminate the odors?
I’m considering a glowforge. Thanks for an awesome video.
I create etched items using copper, brass, nickel and sterling silver. The metal is 18 gauge and needs to be etched/engraved enough for me to fill it with enamel paint or epoxy resin. Can a Glowforge do this?
Any suggestions - What would be the best laser cutter for me if I am needing to make a chocolate bar package. I anticipate using 100 to 110 lb paper. I'd like to be able to cut more than one or two at a time. Size would be approximately 15 x 9 inches. But, I'd like to be able to have a bigger size to be able to also cut boxes of multiple types. It's just a little start up chocolate company so I'd like to reduce cost to get boxes and packaging for product.
What is the purpose of the 6 inch inline fan and where do you hook it up?
I was planning on getting GF in the future, but wasn’t about to sink several thousand dollars in my first engraver. I picked one off Amazon for about $300, it had to be assembled myself, and it has no clear preview mode. But it’s good for a learning tool and gaining experience as a first time user. Thanks for the tips on the Glow Forge!
Can you post the link for the machine you purchased? Interested in incorporating engraving and cutting into my apparel and gift decorating business but not ready to invest thousands of dollars
Just checking back...how is that laser going?
Great video. If the device is internet only, where are your own files stored? If your own files are stored in the cloud are they private or public and if the company goes bust do you loose your work? Cheers guys
We store our designs on our RAID aray.
I don't own any laser cutter/printer. I guess my question would be if the Glowforge could do pattern designs on a polymer frame of like a Glock hand gun for example.
You bet you can...otherwise I wouldn't have been able to put my personal mark on my Pistol!
You mentioned that the Glowforge is "not as plug and play as they make it seem". What difficulties or obstacles should we be prepared to encounter?
For starters a decent computer and internet connection is required. I live in the sticks of Colorado and only get around 5mbps internet speed (Which is really slow) and that works with the forge. We just got ours this weekend and made our first cuts within an hour. Adobe and illustrator experience was helpful but not required. I have none of those skills and I was printing things all weekend.
Try to learn some program like Inkscape. It will allow you to create artwork, it is free and it works seamlessly with the glowforge program.
Try to learn some program like Inkscape. It will allow you to create artwork, it is free and it works seamlessly with the glowforge program.
I have a GF for 2 years. Love it. I’ve kept a log of my work with all settings and results as a reference for future work.
Good video.
We keep a pretty serious log too. But that's great advice to have a log next to the forge, what you did, how you did it and the results.
Hey guys but obsidian is glass… what’s settings did you use for it? Thanks
Are you using the 6" inline fan in place of the $500 vent system glowforge sells?