iMachining By SolidCAM. Amazing Machining (Steel)
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- Whether you have an older machine or a state of the art modern machine, let iMachining pick the best tool path and generate the best cutting conditions for your parts. Using iMachining's roughing, rest material, and finishing technologies, iMachining works efficiently and safely. Stop using calculators, books, and the keyboard to enter optimized speeds and feeds into your CAM system. Let iMachining develop cutting conditions based on your situation using it's advanced algorithm. Contact SolidCAM to find out how easy it is to constantly increase your productivity on a daily basis with iMachining.
As an old school manual machinist with just a little CNC experience,I was impressed and scared to watch this!Not scared for job security,just at the speeds/feeds currently used.I'd hate to imagine being handed that print and a B-Port,as to how long it would take me to do that,if at all,Sure as hell wouldn't be 12 minutes!Thanks for making an old man drool with "endmill envy",lol !
My cnc router cuts almost that fast.
But I'm still stuck with a Bridgeport,Clausing clone,and a 'lil 3-in-1 ;-),but I get by,some folks don't even have that.Wanting to CNC the 3-in-1,maybe someday.........
seems like all that jerk from the tiny xy moves when it gets into corners would cause extra wear on the machine. could be wrong but damn that is crazy to accelerate that much weight that quickly
You're right. The reason this never caught on is because after about two weeks of this job your machines ball screws would be absolutely knackered.
@@electron-positron no, not true.
@@kabeladel4530 if you say so
Is this presented in real-time? If so, then I'm seeing servo reversal speeds like never before. I've never seen anything like this before and I've been around machine shops (including my own) for over 40 years. I'd like to see the servos and servo drive amplifiers for the machine used in this presentation. Either way ... it's mesmerizing to watch. I've viewed it several times. Thanks for posting. gmeast
These rapids seem like 120 000mm/min+
I love Imachining! I have used it on a Haas VF2, working on some Impax supreme steel. With a 10mm endmill you can go full depth and just plow through! It is super impressive!
That is a really big slice of 80/20 now haha.
I have to keep reminding myself, that this is in GODDAMN STEEL!!
Yea all these noobs show their moves in alu this master dances in steel
many other CAM programs can create this tool path
they buy the strategy of VoluMill!!
They call it something else
Peps - Camtek can do it
Mastercam can do it
One Cnc can do it
Hypermill can do it
Delcam can do it ........
Thanks for the kind words. You are correct this machine is really amazing, and almost all CAM systems have "similar" strategy. I would recommend anyone looking at these strategies gets trial versions and cut metal before making a decision. I would like to mention one stand out feature of iMachining. All these videos (internal and customers)are using cutting conditions generated by iMachining's Technology Wizard. Users really love this feature.
The machine is a Müga German made. The machine has very good acceleration. I was talking to an iMachining user a few weeks back and we talked about the TH-cam videos. I tell users you don't have to machine like the TH-cam videos but they show what is possible and how the cutting should look and sound. I mentioned this video and he thought this video was sped up. It is not :)
I'm using this strategy in my shop but much slower . Thay do this to impress us , by video , but in real time and word you can not doing that all the time . I can just imagine the condition of this CNC machine if you will run like that for mabe 12-14 hours every day and like this a few years . Try and will see what will happen with machine . The optimum is in the middle . But using this strategy will save a lot of programming time and is very nice if you can find some good parametars to save your machine and decrease cycle time . And also depend of materials , what you machining . A 6-7 years ago I did machine a tons of Aluminum ( T-6061) and did use YG1 half inch 3 flute cutter and doing that with one cutter for a weeks some time even 3 month . Now I'm doing S7 ( tool steel) and that is totaly different world .
MasterCAM does not buy the strategy of VoluMIll. They invested and built their own strategy. (it's much better than VoluMill)
Next time, cut the extra 15 seconds of dead footage off the head end.
Do better, please.
Our time is precious too.
Why did you include all the out of focus footage? Get professional, please.
Good journey.
This is high speed machining. The software creates toolpaths which are trochoidal (tiny loops) assuring the tool always engages at small increments to minimize load. The small radial engagement permits using chip thinning techniques. Often, no coolant is used, just a powerful air blast aimed at the tool.
Nice demo. The acc/dec for that mill is impressive.
Beautiful, Christ is wonderful by given human such knowledge.
On this type of videos the machine info and tools should be present.
Why? If you're a machinist you could figure it out, if you're not a machinist then you aren't going to make use of that information anyway. The machine is a 3 axis vertical mill and the tool looks like a 4 flute TiN coated solid carbide center cutting endmill. If I had to guess, to achieve this speed you want to run about 800 sfm with a load of .006 per tooth and probably about a 8-10% (of tool diameter) step over.
millakilla Good info..! And sure... useless for a E&I technician like me...hahaha..! Btw, any idea of what the part could be for..? Or it could be just a demo piece?
looks incredible would love to see it live
This video is more about what the machine can do with the tools, not what the CAM system does...
Whats the name of this machine ? This accelerations are crazy
it was a good video but I'd like to see what your just milled out showing it's purpose
even if this machine had linear motors they are attached with screws and internal components so on this kind of machining will in no uncertain terms damage the machine over time. All materials have a fatigue limit why speed up its failure.
after this demo you can buy this machine for 30% discount
I would have to agree with you. iMachining was very nice and easy to use but I felt like it was very hard on my machine. This videos is older but I was using the 2014 version of solidcam. I have since switched to NX with the volumill addon and have had great results. I must admit that the roughing process seems to be a little bit slower but my machine sounds better and my tools are lasting a LOT longer. Furthermore NX has become a lot more user friendly over the years. Just my 2 cents.
The load on your machine is almost none when you are trochoidal milling. you will do a lot more damage to your bearings and ways by maxing out your spindle load than by using HSM tool paths. Also tools last longer when the chip load is normalized.
@varelaarcadio4 Actually iMachining makes sure the machine live longer!
Milling mch on steroids
What type of endmill used in it and what material endmill that
this cannot be real time
+Vaibhav Saraswat no it is real time
We are showing machining at the high end (aggressiveness). We don't expect people to machine like this all the time. Please look at other iMachining videos and do some research before deciding the technology is not beneficial to you.
those are some really bizzare movements,
I disagree. Take a look at the small tool towards the end of the video. If you take the same speed, feed, depth and full slot the tool will brake. What the CAM system is doing is accurately controlling the load on the tool during the cut allowing for high material removal rates. If you can provide a similar example without a CAM system please do so.
Please point us all to some videos showing this same tool path using VoluMill. If you would like I can send you the solid model of this part for a direct comparison.
Reading the comments for this video is like bashing your head against a wall. The last excuse for armchair machinists' refusal to machine aggressively is always that the "ballscrews" and "servos" wear out. Even when watching a video of a machine that doesn't have them.
Jealous af on this acceleration
Идиотское использование.
Currently Rough, Rest, and Finish are separate operations in the CAM system. One operation was used of each with multiple pockets in the geometry list. If cycle time is a concern, you could make a rough operation for 1 pocket followed by the rest then the finish. Do that for each pocket. This would give more efficient ordering. We have plans to improve this functionality.
What kind of tools are used in iMachining ? Anyone know the manufacuters of the tools which are possible to get in Europe (Slovenia). I tried with normal solid carbid endmills but it doesnt last for long.
what machine was this run on? judging by the high spindle speeds and rediculously high feed rates Im seeing, this must be a very expensive and capable machine
Thats what the old conventional machinists said when Mastercam came out. I learned it and made more $ than I could have as a conventional machinist. If we didn't embrace technology we would all be driving Model T Fords and have no running water in our houses
Is true , but making a path like this in Solid Cam is realy easy and fast. Rough,Rest, and finish the program calculate the fast tool path and make it, and the best is the program calculate the speed for each tool.
I am glad to hear you like iMachining. Before using iMachining I never realized what a happy tool should sound like.
I'm giggling at the comments condemning this type of tool path as destructive and abusive to tooling. Really: the world really IS round! Give it a try with a quality tool and a quality machine. You might just learn something
Im sure it works great but it is taking the "program" out of programmer. If you hire a programmer that doesn't understand the tool paths and tell him to use this machine then you are making a mistake. A programmer that does not know what a good tool path is cannot be a programmer. This is just a crutch for idiots or inexperienced programmers.
These paths are far better than any you would write by hand.
ilikepie9519 Oh I'm not saying they aren't I am stating that if all you do is let the computer tell you what to do then how can you call yourself a programmer? If you cannot create even the most basic shape using G-code then how can anyone expect you to use this? What should matter more is that the person telling the computer what to do should be able to tell what a good tool path is before ever using something like this. Because when the machine breaks who is able to be the backup?
Michael Euteneuer I don't disagree with you, a programmer should be able to write basic G-code, and be able to do small edits, however programmers do not need to be that skilled at G-code anymore. It just isn't worth it for me to spend the time becoming excellent at G-code writing, when I could spend that time learning something else.
I am an inexperienced programmer. If I need to make a 2d/3d part I could program it by hand, I would need a G-code reference manual to lookup command formatting, however instead I could just use CAM software.
I feel what is important, rather, is having experience machining, so that one can visualize the process, and carefully plan order of operations and fixturing.
EDIT:
My background is not as a production machinist.
I'm 18, have been machining for the last two years on manual machines, last year on CNC machines. I am also a college student working in a prototyping lab during the school year and at a commercial prototyping space. I would rather spend my time learning something else, than practicing writing G-code by hand.
You REALLY should learn G-code. I tell you now that if you write something on a CAM program (like mastercam) it outputs the program IN G CODE. If you want to program a simple square at the controller of a machine then what would you do? Walk all the way back to the computer and draw up tool paths? Or would you stay there and write it in G code?
Michael Euteneuer U REALLY dont need to say that much, just let them go, lol, they dont know g-codes, they dont have their own minds about toolpaths, they just want to use CAM softwares to creat toolpaths automatically, then nothing to say, lol
Have you tried iMachining in 5axis simultan. ? I dont even know if there is something like that^^. We get a new machine this week for 5x sim. and im curious :-)
Thank you! Other "similar" tool paths are offset driven with many retracts and positioning moves. iMachining varies the width of cut to keep the tool in contact with the material to reduce positioning.
Who selects the cutting tools with this software? The user, or the software? How much authority does the software have over forcing efficient and optimized selection of tooling?
CTX gamma by DMG can do a LOT more, considering axis, and complex part machining, this part is simple, and u need average machine for horisontal milling, complex part is different, requires a LOT more movements... i know that this isnt a lathe, but price is everything.
Hi!
It's amazing!
Can you give me the technology parameters?
Which kind of machine, tool type, feeed rate etc.
Thx
What are the feeds and speeds used, and the ae/ap? Plus what are the material and tooling?
5:02 star wars song :D
WHAT MACHINE IS THAT? Amazing control! Simply awesome....In response to varelaarcadio4 , machine damage is more likely to occur with unbalanced tool pressures and machine loads. The speed the machine travels at has nothing to due with damage to it. Note the tool diameters. You are not going to damage a machine that can do this kind of work with 12mm and 6mm tools running at those speeds, loads and coatings. The part material stands no chance at all....Amazing!
Well if your company is ok with smoking 3 half inch endmills per part like these guys are doing then great. And dont try to say it was a finish tool cause thats bullsh*t. I saw the spark in the pocket.
Exactly I'm an applications engineer for WFL and I would have a full on cardiac episode if any one programmed a part like this and I was footing the tooling bill the tooling cost would bankrupt any company within weeks a end mill would last literally 5 mins if you can machine this way and make it financially viable I will amputate my penis and eat it live on television....
*****
You are quite right. Also, this would be hell on your ballscrews.
I have run steel jobs with red hot chips coming off the tool for an entire 8 hour shift. There are tools specifically made to cut steel without coolant for when you are cutting a material that will easily harden from the rapid heating and cooling that occurs with liquid coolant. This type of machining is the most efficient method due to maintaining the ideal angle of contact between tool and material. That being said it is more suited for modern machines with high speed machining capabilities and cooled screws and ways.
TheBk85 Believe it or not the endmills wear out the same rate as conventional milling, the low radial depth of cut reduces the heat and hence you can have much high speeds and feeds, you will actually have 3-4 times the tool life as compared to conventional milling because the total length of the cutter is been fully utilalized Hear is a link to sandvik www.sandvik.coromant.com/en-gb/knowledge/milling/application_overview/holes_and_cavities/slicing_methods/pages/default.aspx
Has anyone heard of solid carbide endmills?? Carbide love heat to a degree. Those chips you see in the video are mostly silver or straw colour, which is good. It's when you're getting purple or really dark blue that's when you should be mainly backing off your RPM (surface speed is too fast). But granted, those tool paths are a bit excessive.
The ballscrews will be ok, this is relatively slow. I have ran mag fadals at over 400 ipm in steel on a regular basis with no problems. The cutter path is awesome. This is the future of machining.
Actually it's much better for the cutter. Because of stable temperature, if coolant is used it means the cutter will be hot and cold many times thus you break the cutter from thermal shock. Best lubrication for the cutter is MQL(Minimum quantity lubrication).
This does not applies for all workpiece materials.
This type of tool path is not damaging machines. It just running them correctly and to the full capabilities.
If by retarded, you mean twice as fast as conventional with 4X better tool life, less stress on the part, fixture and machine.
Can someone tell me how much is F and S on this process???This is MAHO DECKEL machine and SolidCAM right?
I don't think the tool paths are very efficient at all...lots of wasted time...
sure that's cool and all, but what the finish look like, and how close tolerances?
You can do a very similar toolpath using Delcam's Powermill. Also keep in mind that the machine as a lot to do with it. The machine in this video doesn't starve for information and it must have a really advanced look-ahead.
What is the name of tools? Mitsubishi, seco...?? what?? :)
What is the machining center? That must have a super fast control to keep up with all of those movements and IPM changes,.
Hi... How strong is this spindel and how much rpm are you millingon at first stage in first part of the video here?
Looks like someone needs to do a tap test. There is some chatter on the bottom edge of the cuts
I WANT TO ASK YOU IN THE I MACHINING WORK TYPE THE SHORTAGE AND THE FASTEST WAY WILL GET ,BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TOOLS ? WITH SMALL ONE
The material is steel which becomes magnetic being milled. That may explain odd behavior of the chips. Other than that, don't you see the air blower attached next to the tool? Air makes stuff jump.
No that is not right - this toolpath you can only create with iMachining from SolidCAM -
What you write here is not correct! iMachining is completly different to the other systems!
Is it accurate? Most NC machines can have the speed or rapid turned up to look impressive.
Volumill is not the same technology, iMachining is another world.
Please, take more information about it
does that not beat the shit of the ball screws running that machine like that?
Like it , nice video :)
The table feeds of this machine is increbible.. Is it accurate at this small and very fast movements?
Yes, you are correct. I was wrong. This is ball screw machine.
how did you erase the line at 2:49 ? is there command for this at solidcam?
I dont know what the hell everyones talking about it looks great for certain things
this is awesome ive never seen any cutter cut so deep so fast and not turn blue without slurry
This is sexy , these mills sound so happy :-) Im using imachining too and its pretty good
I do this live....
And what is manufacturer of the tool which is used in this process??
Cutting data, machine model pls.
thats not steel, the chips arent blue, its clearly aluminum.....
We have since added better sorting in this situation.
THIS IS AMAZING HOW THE CHOOSE THE SHORT WAY AND THE FAST ONE /
I LOVE SOLIDCAM
Because this machine has linear motors not ball screws :)
So what's exactly wrong with the tool path?
We have since added better sorting for this situation.
Did you just machine a part in dry run mode? I have witnessed the glory..
Virtrampage how would you machine this part??? this is pretty impressive!
can any one tell me how to calculate RPM and feed and D.O.C.
thanx
The Müga machines has ballscrews and NOT linear motors.
holly shit ,that really is a bad ass machine. nice job.
I forgot to mention...Amazing video and cutting strategy.
that was pretty fuckin cool, thats all i have to say.
That must be one very rigid machine...
not real time
video was sped up
The first was Surfcam, and the other only try it ;)
This is not sped up. Actual time.
Goelan can do it
I want the machine and the tools
Cant believe the cutter survived wo coolant.
Welche Maschine ist das?
what Type of Maschine is it?
Is the new, and u cant fight with this
The Müga machines has ballscrews.