Lets Get This 1945 ONAN Generator Running Pt.1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ก.ย. 2024
- This Onan gen set was built in November of 1945. It looks good on the outside but there is an unpleasant surprise in the oil pan.
See part two here...
• Lets Get This 1945 ONA...
Those wafers of oil in the sump are paraffin wax, a by product of early oils, particularly from pennsylvania oil. A common problem with 50's oils.
Right on target. I can remember those days... Ya I'm wrinkled. ; - )
That engine calls to run nothing but pure PA oil and nothing heavier then SAE 30.
Great to see new videos again!
Glad you are back been missing the awesome videos
What a beast, it puts the meaning into "they don't make them like they used to"
Imagine a radiator on a Briggs generator!
Been wondering if you'd given up yt, good to see you back, hope all is well, really a great find
I really like your style of videos. You make us viewers feel like we are right there with you. I have actually ran across that exact type of sludge before. I am in my late 60's and can remember it well. Way back when; a lot of companies used a type of paraffin in their formula of motor oil. One of the major Pennsylvania companies would use very copious amounts of it. Don't want to call names but it starts with the letter "Q". I suppose it was alright as long as you changed it frequently. But, if you neglected to do so; multiple layers of waxy wafers in the pan such as you found. Being that it was on a farm doing light duty, I almost guarantee that is the brand that was in there. And; God knows for how long. Actually, I hadn't thought about that for many years. Pretty dang cool! Looking forward to Part 2.
You should checkout this channel named mustie1, hes a great guy and uploads every week
Your style of disassembly reminds me of watching a medical examiner doing an autopsy, very explanatory.
What a nice unit. That must be the “Pure Pennsylvania Oil” the instructions called for.
probably pure Pennsylvania CRUDE oil.....
The onan ball and cup governor assy in the camshaft drive gear,must be smooth almost to a Polish to ensure it moves the yoke on the shaft with very little friction,so that the governor arm can respond to that last few Hz , required for a minimum of 59 Hz, at full load,check for sludge or make sure yoke and shaft are clean. With very little friction, also the wrong governor spring can put you outside the adjustment limits of the adjustment linkage. This engine seems to have plenty of power and once working correctly should pull close to 3 kw. These were over built and often under rated,once frequency and voltage come into spec it will be a wonderful example of. The quality onan was once capable of . this channel is fantastic !!!!, I was a final inspector at onan. For many years, can't wait for the next video.
Great to see you back! I've been missing the great vids!
So great to see you back again. Missed my weekend morning videos
"The paint isn't perfect of course"
If it was perfect everyone would assume it had been repainted. That paint just screams ORIGINAL! 👍
Great to see ya. Just realized this was here when I saw pt2
I was starting to have withdrawals lol. Great videos love these old engines and gensets
@18:14 Nice torque measurement, “5 Mike lbs.”👍🏻
I was wondering when you were going to put out a new video Mike. Glad to see you putting out some new content. I couldn't help notice the Sheldon Vernon shaper in the background that you picked up at Tuckahoe. Would love to see some videos of you working on that. And by the way, our big show this year is July 8th through July 11th. I hope you and roadking can make it down for the show. If you do make sure to stop by the shop and see me.
Love the style of that thing, even the font puts you right in that deco era.
I just love watching you work, any apprentice working under you should be honoured.
I started with part two and had to stop it and watch part one first.
Can't wait to see Pt 2 - Ah, I won't have to! It's already here!!
We were just looking at one of your big Onan generators in another video, and wondered when your next one would come along. Very glad to see you again, like Apollo 13 coming out from behind the moon - "Hello world, it's good to see ya' again!".
He should put cam shaft break in lube on the camlobes because cleaned all cam followers off also they should be installed in their original location or he can wipe out the cam shaft lobes.
So glad you are back. I love watching your projects.
Just woke up to a notification with part one and 2 from One of My favourite Channels, Work will to have to wait
I saw on one of the labels where they recommended PA oil. Quaker State used to put paraffin in their oil. When I pulled the heads off of my 72 Toyota Celica, the camshaft was covered in this sludge. I changed oils right then.
Thank's you Mike for all of yours superb videos.
Pure joy watching.
Best regards from Slovenia.
That's real Pennsylvania oil right out of the ground
I've posted this before, but oil was originally discovered by Edwin Drake in Titusville, Pennsylvania in 1859. Pa oil, indeed!
So relaxing to watch you work of these vintage generators.
What amazes me is that you can get parts for a generator that's over 75 years old! Now days, if it was manuifactured 7 years ago, good luck on getting any parts just to maintain the stuff.
The nice thing about these oldies is that very few of the parts are "specialty". They were used for decades on multiple different models.
Thanks for watching!
GREAT to see another video from you! I check every couple of days, and you're always full of correct information and interesting visuals!
Much appreciated!
If you haven't seen big wafers of sludge in an oil pan, you ain't been around very much. I had a 62 Ford Galaxie 500 when I was in the Army. It had a valve rocker noise so I removed one of the valve covers and voila...it was full of the same stuff you got there. I tweezered out as much as I could, changed the oil, ran it a few times and repeated. I drove that thing all over creation without a problem until I finally traded it in on a VW Beetle.
That crankcase was like a cavern. Great video Mike.
Thanks for checking it out!
Glad to see you back Mike :) Man, that was some nasty sludge! Perhaps the previous owners did not use the specified 'Pennsylvania' oil ;)
Been missin ya glad to have yo back!
As someone with a lot of skills like you, I always think it may have been fun to live back when this unit was made, but BOY am I glad that our oil isn't like THAT in my lifetime!
Hi from Australia. So nice to have you back, enjoy your uploads very much.
Looks like the vintage Quaker State 'Motor Oil' I found in the pan of a Ford van I purchased back in '87. The internals of the block looked nearly identical and being a straight 6 it drove me to work for many years after I cleaned up the mess.
The valve adjusters was very interesting I’ve never seen this type before. Thank you for posting.
Parifin based oil caused that .. garbage oil like penzoil/ quaker state. petroleum base oils best. DELO TEXACO VALVOLINE BEST FOR ENGINE
WE USE. DELO 30 wt in our old 1950 onan genset., and a little marvel mystery oil added to fuel to help lube valves and upper cylinder (s)
This genset probably had long service intervals also. This is why best to clean and flush before starting old engine.. smart move great video thanks 😊
I know with the vintage cars we find a lot of lead deposits in the oil from the old leaded fuels.
Welcome back, thanks for another terrific video!
2 years late to the party - Doing a V45 at the moment. I'm in the tear down phase. The oil in the oil base is like paste. Enjoyed your video.
Thanks Johnny, I will be in your area tomorrow picking up a gen set and an air compressor.
You cracked me up @4:36. Done that a few times myself! That's a sweet gen set. That old paraffin based oil can sure sludge up an oil pan. I have even seen the gray hue from lead residue from the old leaded gas days. Is there any provision on the cam follower fasteners for lock wire or fold over locks? Looks like there is a potential for those to come loose.
That thing is in GREAT shape, if your biggest problem is sludge in the oil pan, that's a great big nothing. Very nice find!
"Torque down to 5 Mike L Bs" The last two letters tell it all, LOL. Thanks for sharing, Love the show Mike Keep up the great work.. Best Wishes & Blessing. Keith Noneya
Glad you enjoyed it Keith!
No wonder my grandfather used to call paraffin based Pennzoil and Quaker State oils "Sludge in a can". Wow!
What a great looking machine. I am sure you will get it up and running. Looking forward to hearing it run.
This is probably the first 70+ generator restoration where i thought "please be careful and don't scratch the paint"
I love watching your work man get keep up the good work
that sludge is normal for engines b4 detergent motor oils. great videos. keep em coming.
Thanks for the info!
Thank you for making this video! Great "little" generator with amazing design. Greetings from Norway.
Thanks for watching!
Great exploring and discovery. Thanks for the look.
That oil pan was nuts! Seems like they took good care of the outside, but never changed the oil. Maybe it was owned by someone who wasn't very knowledgeable about engines, but still cared about their stuff.
Nice to a new video Mike. I'm sure your a busy guy and know by the quality of your videos you must put a lot of time and thought into each one. Thanks!
I enjoyed this episode. Good to see you back! I was wondering where you were off to.
So cool! I love the content! I just saw one of these local to Seattle on marketplace but missing pieces :/
good to see you back
I had one of these units and it was an amazingly sooth runner.Also have one of the military units like you have setting there.also a very good runner.
WoW, the oil lines are actually copper!
It looks as though it sat in a 'museum'. Onan Fridley plant used to have a row of 'historical' gensets in one office aisle, perhaps that was one, I don't remember that one in particular. WW2 'portable' genset was there. Cummins couldn't care less about anything Onan historically, so they may have sold them off.
That crankcase must have been filled with Pennzoil, the best sludge making oil in the world.
Sludge? That stuff is suitable for patching driveways!
Thought about you today when I was working on my '41 Farmall H. Figured you were busy with your day job.
Thanks for the video!
Your voice is personable and easy to listen to. :-) Col NZ.
@2:00 “USE PURE PENNSYLVANIA OIL ONLY..”
none of that Texas or Oklahoma oil !
That oil pan looked like something out of a horror movie! Gonna be purring soon though. 👍
Wow that alternator is huge for 2 KW looks like a 10kw alternator!
thats good old dinosaur oil there buddy pre-seventies before they started putting all the additives in it
when doing valve adjustments I prefer to use a 3/8" breaker bar so I can tweak in either direction with one hand as I slide the feeler gage.
That has to be the oddest valve adjustment I've seen. And I've seen a lot.
Excellent work Thanks
Beautiful unit👌👍👍👍
It's 2021 and we don't use tuners and my computer doesn't have any vacuum tubes. But, I digress.
@ 6:09 My 1st thought was;... would B 2 run a Magnet in that old Oil...
Torque: "About 5 Mike lbs." ...LOL!
*- With my luck, I would have dropped either the cam followers or short feeler gauges down in the block.*
Great video as always, thank you. (Australia)
Very fascinating old find! I wish you'd shown cleaning the points and replacing the condenser. I'm just a little too young to have ever tinkered with points in a distributor.
Dang. You git the new Broncos already.
H'mmm I wonder where that saying came from, " you can't judge a book by it's cover" ?
Lucky that you looked first, Mike.
That genset has a lot more hours on it than you think. I takes years to built up that much sludge.
WOW mike , That oil pan was super bad ! Great old genset .. ENJOYED
I have one of these. Manufactured for Montgomery Ward.
Some of the content of the sludge could be lead from the leaded fuel of the day. At least it's not rancid gear oil.
Love the videos mike!!!!!
Looks pretty normal for an old engine running non-detergent oil
I guess he didn't use Genuine Pennsylvania Oil
Hi Mike, new to the channel. What is something like this worth? I picked up one yesterday for a $1 at an auction. Have the original owners manual and about 5 envelopes containing parts replaced. over the years. Original purchase sheet as well. $528 in 1945!
As a teenager in 1965, I worked for a federal govt. puschasing department. These things were being auctioned for disposal as WW2 surplus .
They were brand new in boxes.
At the same time there were Harley Davidson motorcycles in crates being sold.
The going rate converted to today's prices would be $750 (Australian). Or ($500 U S).
They were snapped up , I had no use for either as I had just bought my first car for$100 and my girlfriend wasn't sympathetic.
Stavros, Eternally Young
Welcome back!
What a beauty
That cake build up is likely paraffin wax from pennoil or quakerstate oils
It almost looks like instead of Pure Pennsylvania Oil someone used shale oil, including the shale.
The sludge may have been from the pure Pennsylvania oil that was recommended on the instructions tag.
Duuuuude- where ya been, I've been missing your great videos?
returned oh alive 👏🤗🙌⚡💡⚡👍
Looks like it was full of Quaker Bake!!!!
New band name, Wafers of Sludge.
Question what make are your feeler guages and where did you get them from. Really great video - thanks
Where did you go? You were away for too long! We were going to send a search party but we ran out of beer...
I would have wanted to put assembly lube or at least oil on the cam lobes when reassembling.
That Pure Pennsylvania Oil, Just Saying LOL.