Awesome video and he is a fine looking horse. This is the perfect example of the horse determining how long the training session last and the challenge/difference when working with a stallion.
i really appreciate this video! the emotions certainly escalate with a 3yr stud colt, but I really like how you stayed with him just reinforcing the shoulder & hindquarter control with the flag (escalated if needed)..... a lesson he had learned before the tarp & those aids should stay in place with the new tarp factor. I think this is a great example of "as light as possible but as hard as necessary". An added bonus of this video is to see a young stud try to change the subject and Dennis keeps diligently and I think fairly at it. thank you for posting it!
Now when he spooked each time, with the tarp ‘chasing’ him, wouldn’t it help to let him calm down emotionally and stroke him a little before having him try again ? I get this sense of unease watching the strong use of the flag to get him to move over the tarp while the horse is still trying to recover from the spook. Now granted I don’t know anything about training other than watching TH-cam videos. It’s just a feeling I get when watching what’s happening. Is there something wrong with the more ‘gentler’ approach when it comes to longterm safety ?
For me the horse needs to try that’s what I reward with time. If I reward the spook then he is justified in his mind to spook . The softer approach will work most of the time but the time to accomplish the task can be considerably longer . I like to give them an opportunity to get comfortable under pressure then they are better equipped to handle the bright lights of reality .
As I stated above the training session became too long. Horses are very smart and learn amazingly quickly, but they also get tired of humans pestering them. Dennis stated it's important to end on success. The best way to do that is to not make the training sessions too tiresome. I think your observations are sound. I know Steve Young will stop and give the horse a metal break with time for reflection.
Yes, there is something wrong with the gentler approach. If you calm him and stroke him after he has spooked then you have just reinforced insecurity in that situation. The point is to make the right thing easy and the wrong thing hard. That's the reason for the heavy flag use when he wanted to get away from the tarp and and very gentle around the tarp. This is a crucial desensitising exercise in colt starting to get a horse and rider safer to ride on the trail.
Horsestudent you are spot on. This went way past finishing point which was only a few minutes in. Horses learn best with little is more and slow is faster. This horse tried soon as he was given the chance to do what was being asked. He went over the tarp, even though he sped up a few steps which should have been rewarded. The question to the horse was'move over the tarp'. . Which thr horse done,, then straight away was to go again. Human kept pressure on with no release to let the horse know it was the right answer. Which makes it flooding not desensitised. The horse never pulled away or ran backwards, he tolerated the stupid flag flapping about. When changed direction Human didn't ask the same as the other way also the horse by that' stage was starting to get anxious as there was no connection that ge done the right thing
I think you ended up with too long a training period. At some point you should have quit earlier. I think we humans have a tendency to push horses beyond their psychological limit. Walking across that trap is not fun for the horse.
I don’t disagree but when the wind interference came into play I feel like I had to keep going or run the risk of the next time being even more dramatic . He worked through a lot and is now positioned in a better state of mind to deal with it. Better in the future . Thank you for your opinion
100% agree with you Dennis. It was only a 30 min session, not too long at all to find his comfort and confidence considering that spooky tarp came to eat his feet up. You both did fabulously in a reasonable space of time. I’ll be taking your lesson to my horses in training 👍 thank you.
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Awesome video and he is a fine looking horse. This is the perfect example of the horse determining how long the training session last and the challenge/difference when working with a stallion.
Yes sir
i really appreciate this video! the emotions certainly escalate with a 3yr stud colt, but I really like how you stayed with him just reinforcing the shoulder & hindquarter control with the flag (escalated if needed)..... a lesson he had learned before the tarp & those aids should stay in place with the new tarp factor. I think this is a great example of "as light as possible but as hard as necessary". An added bonus of this video is to see a young stud try to change the subject and Dennis keeps diligently and I think fairly at it. thank you for posting it!
I really appreciate your comment it is exactly what went on here !
Now when he spooked each time, with the tarp ‘chasing’ him, wouldn’t it help to let him calm down emotionally and stroke him a little before having him try again ? I get this sense of unease watching the strong use of the flag to get him to move over the tarp while the horse is still trying to recover from the spook. Now granted I don’t know anything about training other than watching TH-cam videos. It’s just a feeling I get when watching what’s happening. Is there something wrong with the more ‘gentler’ approach when it comes to longterm safety ?
For me the horse needs to try that’s what I reward with time. If I reward the spook then he is justified in his mind to spook . The softer approach will work most of the time but the time to accomplish the task can be considerably longer .
I like to give them an opportunity to get comfortable under pressure then they are better equipped to handle the bright lights of reality .
As I stated above the training session became too long. Horses are very smart and learn amazingly quickly, but they also get tired of humans pestering them. Dennis stated it's important to end on success. The best way to do that is to not make the training sessions too tiresome. I think your observations are sound. I know Steve Young will stop and give the horse a metal break with time for reflection.
Yes, there is something wrong with the gentler approach. If you calm him and stroke him after he has spooked then you have just reinforced insecurity in that situation. The point is to make the right thing easy and the wrong thing hard. That's the reason for the heavy flag use when he wanted to get away from the tarp and and very gentle around the tarp. This is a crucial desensitising exercise in colt starting to get a horse and rider safer to ride on the trail.
Horsestudent you are spot on. This went way past finishing point which was only a few minutes in. Horses learn best with little is more and slow is faster.
This horse tried soon as he was given the chance to do what was being asked. He went over the tarp, even though he sped up a few steps which should have been rewarded. The question to the horse was'move over the tarp'. . Which thr horse done,, then straight away was to go again. Human kept pressure on with no release to let the horse know it was the right answer. Which makes it flooding not desensitised.
The horse never pulled away or ran backwards, he tolerated the stupid flag flapping about.
When changed direction Human didn't ask the same as the other way also the horse by that' stage was starting to get anxious as there was no connection that ge done the right thing
@@sallypenno164 you make some good points here !
I think you ended up with too long a training period. At some point you should have quit earlier. I think we humans have a tendency to push horses beyond their psychological limit. Walking across that trap is not fun for the horse.
I don’t disagree but when the wind interference came into play I feel like I had to keep going or run the risk of the next time being even more dramatic . He worked through a lot and is now positioned in a better state of mind to deal with it. Better in the future .
Thank you for your opinion
100% agree with you Dennis.
It was only a 30 min session, not too long at all to find his comfort and confidence considering that spooky tarp came to eat his feet up. You both did fabulously in a reasonable space of time.
I’ll be taking your lesson to my horses in training 👍 thank you.