Punching Nazis | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)
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Bill and his panelists - Tom Morello, April Ryan, and John Heilemann - discuss whether punching neo-Nazis is a legitimate form of resistance.
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"If you don't believe in free speech for those you despise most you don't believe in free speech at all"
-Noam Chomsky
Free speech protects you from government censorship. Morality and Legality are not the same things. This had nothing to do with legality.
So it wouldn't be limiting free speech if Nazi squads went around breaking up climate change protests and beating people up? Sounds like you are advocating a similar mode of paramilitary extralegal activism, just against the 'baddies' not the 'goodies'.
Philosophy Lines, who are you talking to? That isn't limiting free speech, The Nazis are not the law. Read the First Amendment because you're using free speech as a buzzword.
Just checking that I understood your position. You approve of extralegal squads going around violently suppressing speech, just as long as it is the goodies suppressing the bad people's speech.
You've accused me of hypocrisy twice, when did I say anything even remotely close to that? Work on your reading comprehension and stop gaslighting me into your strawman.
If your principles only apply as long as it's convenient for you, you don't actually have principles.
The Stig You’re a republican then.
Max Zöch bruh if you are a leftist you actually just destroyed yourself lmao
@@maxzoch9705 If leftists didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have standards at all.
If you can afford to hold principles regardless of the immediate affect it has on infringing rights for others, than you're delusional.
@@CoryMck That sentence doesn't make any sense.
"If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"
-Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Ryan McLaughlin he was a genius
no these people online activty is obsereved for months they hit every checkmark for being a nazi
Amen.
@@oxitocin7718 The point of the quote is that punching people who say inflammatory and racist and cruel things, or imprisoning them, or deporting them, doesn't work for eliminating them from society, since the ideology can exist in people most consider good people. Because there are people who are good in some ways and bad in others, sometimes misguided, and you can't separate the two then, you can't ask a person to punch themself in the face, what you can do is help change their mind. You have to hope and help the good win. Of course, the issue with Nazis and similar radicals is that they're usually not open for debate most of the time, and if they were, the only way to convince them would be to first understand them. And who wants to understand a Nazi? Who wants to understand how people end up being wrong and cruel? Nah, just punch em instead, and make them more secretive about their ideas.
@J.A. Bristol Good one.
“I don’t believe in violence, but...”
Everything before the word ‘but’ is bullshit.
Not to mention she didn't identify the crime the so called "Nazi" committed that would require anything to be done about him.
I believe in violence
I honestly believe in violence. Violence is Golden, it's the Ultimate Authority. How useful would your cops be without the ability put criminals to the ground, or soldiers to enemy combatants? If you have a gun, and another has a gun, there's an incentive there to not start shit.
1. To defend free speech you must also defend that speech which you don't agree with. 2. the problem with punching this guy is that in his mind and other like minded people you are proving his point. He already doesn't like you and is wearing that symbol to provoke people into doing what he already thinks they're going to do.
Absolutely - if might makes right, you also have to be ready for the day when you're found to be "wrong", or just outnumbered.
er, no, because they still need a fair trial, THEN death :-P
Rune Jensen
" ALL leftists are (...) child abusers and sexual perverts "
Oh man. That is such complete bullshit! The right is all about fascism wich is about categorizing people, conservatives are all about stagnation and keeping absolute power over the other and the religious are all about keeping people ignorant and simple-minded and also silencing/controlling oposite speech. Guess who these three groups are/belong? THE RIGHT WING.
The left looks at sex as fun, jolly, healthy and kinda like food only even more exciting; the right views sex as an abomination, an immoral duty, a reward, an imposition and a personnal afirmation of superiority over the weak sex. These last points of view lead to sexual harassment (Roger Ailes or Bill O'Reilly), Milo Yiannopoulos defending in his way pedophilia, Donald Trumps comments about women - even his daughter - and pedophilia in the church or sexual slavery in islamic nations.
Islam and terrorism are right-wing by the way just like nazism - few leaders/government concentrating all the power and imposing it through military armies/groups just like republicans want.
" the left has never left out the possibility of using violence "
So for you I guess this case makes it ok for people being killing unarmed blacks for decades now or even something like grazing cattle in public lands without paying fees and making some sort of revolution about it as corageous? And the left who always tries to respect other people, follows the laws and usually don't carry guns are now violent cowards because some idiot guy punches an idiot nazi?
Heywood Yabloome
« Pedophile leftists defend their endorsement for child rape with the claim that it is "anti authoritarian" »
I googled that phrase and apart from right-wing media and forums trying to make a connection between the left/liberals with any and all that's bad in society there's nothing more than a couple of politicians every so decade defending pedophilia. How about mentioning rightist defender and conservative rising star - now falling - Milo Yiannopoulos?
« leftism has, like islam, an actual doctrine of pedophilia »
When you say "actual" that's like saying it's official in political terms. What official doctrine is that then? Can you quote it or direct me to an independent news/information source who could confirm and explain that to me? And how can islam, an authoritarian - right wing - doctrine be leftist if they're conservative to say the least?
I still stand by the actual examples I gave in my previous comment.
« It's OK to kill leftists »
So I guess this is also how the left has always been violent against the right?
I don't know if your answer was really directed to me or not. I'm not a die hard leftist but mostly I'm a liberal democrat.
Dont punch Nazis, it makes them the victim, don't give them what they want, fight them on grounds that they cannot win on, on the grounds of ideas and consensus, hurt them where it hurts more like bigotry, hypocrisy, ignorance, outdated and refuted ideas, cruelty etc.
p.s. and please do not become the monster you started off fighting.
That's the Left's problem. They CAN'T win on ideas, so they resort to emotional convictions.
sushanalone nazis are never the victim
Kim Bee you think nazis win at ideas? You’re a nazi then
Jeff Evanson Nicely said.
Jeff Evanson attacking someone because you have emotional issues is not "protecting yourself", you delusional idiot. You're literally committing assault.
“This is a nut on a bus in Seattle.”
Brilliant comment.
Oh they didn't delete your comment -- so much for free speech on the internet!
He was later arrested for harassing an elderly woman. A woman who he has harassed right before this video.
Is there any other kind of person on a bus? 😜
And in a 'true' democracy that is all it ever will be and should be. A wacko who can't afford a car.
Praise Israel
Research the paradox of tolerance. All questions answered.
*grandparents or even parents fought in world war 2, having to defend their lives against nazis shooting them*-then, 75 yrs later: *autistic children/grandchildren: WhY iTs NOt OKaY tO PuNCh nAzIS*
I don't think it answers any of the questions here at all. What exactly does it mean to 'tolerate'? What level of force is appropriate to suppress intolerant views? The vast majority of our society rejects Nazism; openly espousing such views will get one ostracized very quickly. Is that a sufficient amount of intolerance of intolerance or not? Do we need to punch them, as was done here? Round them up and put them in prison? Force them to watch propaganda videos on repeat until they 'get it'? Execute them? How do you deal with people that have such views but don't openly express them?
The paradox of tolerance is certainly a good guiding principal, but it is not a complete solution in of itself.
Personal freedom vs. Community responsibility
The paradox tolerance is little more than apologia for unprincipled people who are incapable of critical thinking. You either stand by your principles... or you don't. There isn't a middle ground. If you're having cognitive dissonance get better principles.
Tolerance definitely doesn't mean tolerance of those who would murder arbitrarily. The term arbitrarily matters. Everything has limits. Absolutism is chaos.
Don't punch someone unless they punch first. This is basic shit
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Or threaten to hit you.
Preach!
No you have every right to counter strike first if you feel a fight is going to happen. I big turning point in my life is when I realised I need to hit first once the talking was not working anymore. But I get u meet violence w violence not violence with for just expressing the wrong opinion.
Tom .... Listen more then you Speak #LoveRevolution
MLK JR on violence:
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy, instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it. Through violence you may murder the liar, but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth. Through violence you may murder the hater, but you do not murder hate. In fact, violence merely increases hate.
Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
Michael Kapelis And look what all that love got him. Murdered.
An asshole murdered Dr. King but he could not murder the truths Dr. King stood for.
Bryan Mack Fascism exists in a vacuum? Were those words ever in my mouth?
What do you mean by that?
Just to add some perspective, Dr. King did try to acquire a pistol & a license to carry at one point. While pacifism was a part of his strategy for dealing with Jim Crow & the enforcement of it, King did not rule out self-defense. His position on violence was a bit more nuanced than most people are aware of. One thing is for certain, though: He would _not_ be in favor of alt-rightists, neo-Nazis *or* Antifa brawling with each other in the streets. But King's philosophy is not in vogue these days...the trendier black leaders now are people like Louis Farrakhan & Khalid Abdul Muhammad (when he was alive).
As an individual actor, I personally cannot take away the 1A rights of anyone. For example, I cannot prevent a flag burner from burning the flag. If I tried to fight a flag burner, I could potentially be arrested for assault and battery. Similarly, I could be arrested for punching a Nazi in the face without provocation.
HOWEVER...if I saw a Nazi in a public place, I would be within my rights and the law to use MY OWN SPEECH to goad him into taking a swing at me, at which point I have every right to defend myself including blowing his head off if we were in a "stand your ground" state.
So it would be win-win-win:
-No one's free speech rights violated
-My 2A rights asserted
-One dead Nazi
"Unless its Ohmaha beach"
Yeah dude, thats france. And I assumed you meant during 1944, so yeah go punchem boy, we'll wait behind the sandbags.
Someone tell that dude and his uncle that the war is over. The Nazi on the bus already got the message.
He picks strings. And makes noise.
Omaha beach.....
@@AdamMM-hq3gv Considering he's wearing the armband of a defeated army, I don't KNOW he got the message... How many people have to die over an ideology for people to give the fuck up?
"These old laws need to be revisited?" The FIRST AMENDMENT??? What world am I living in?
The 4th Reich. It's funny how these people LITERALLY think and act like the nazi party, yet they call everyone else nazis.
The first amendment needs no change, get a grip on yourself. I hate Nazis and I have no real qualms about attacking them either, he knew when he walked out the door with that on there would be trouble but he has the right and we will not take that away. But be a man, punch that motherfucker, go to jail and take that assault charge and then tell your friends you spent the night in jail for kicking a Nazi's ass!
Jerrell Bevers, hundred percent.
Jerrell Bevers Nah, i respect my countries laws, than be able to virtual signal to my friends. I rather just go play Wolfenstein 2, and take out nazis there.
She's a genius. After all, what could possible go wrong with a law that states "If another person's views offend you or feel insidious, you're legally allowed to punch them in the face"
Nice to see Maher stand his ground here
Definitely don't agree with Heywood, but if anyone consumes partisan rhetoric for long enough, they lose the perception of humanity of the other side. Read your comment and Heywood's again. This animosity is what makes political opponents punch each other to begin with.
Bill had to just make for a debate because if you've listened to him AT ALL you know he'd love to beat the shyt outta that guy.
Tory Ellis Based on what? How he said they all want Nazis to be punched? Unfortunately for any Nazi-punchers, they are protected by the constitution, which Maher makes clear he agrees with. He's voiced support for the first amendment countless times, and there isn't really a reason for him to make an exception here.
Thats Not a Knife, This is a Knife based on how he has little patience for people of that mindset. I don't know how long you've watched Maher but his voice and passion when he's against something(trump) is highly picked up.
Thats Not a Knife, This is a Knife and while he's for the 1st amendent (agreed) he's not for stupidity.
The fact that we can't have a civil conversation without someone retreating into their own identity or emotions is just absurd.
@A Maybe you could some how talk them out of it? And if it doesnt work give up
It’s almost like as humans we tend to function due to those emotions and identities. If you see evil, those emotions should drive you to wipe that evil out. Fascism is evil. I don’t feel guilty for wanting fascists to be wiped out
@A While I agree that using violence isn’t the answer, why does anybody owe people who supports Communism a “civil conversation”? They made it clear that they support a movement that has killed millions of people in labor camps, and killed millions of Russians, Ukrainians, Asians, and many more. What conversation is there to be had?
Human nature is indeed absurd. We're flawed sacks of meat don't expect much you'll be less let down
@@djlowtek It's all fun and games until you punch a "Nazi" and they shoot you dead in self defense. How many dead liberals is it going to take before yall get the message not to get violent with these people?
I am really curious what a white billionaire has to say about political violence 🤔🤔🤔
nobody on that panel is white. maybe john heilemann but Bill is not
"Violence is fine so long as it is from the side I support" While no one said it in these words, the message was loud and clear.
Funny how Morello seemed to forget that there was violence in Boston and that it was perpetrated by the AntiFa groups against the police.
And so does antifa. Yet you seem to be giving them a pass... is it because you agree with them.
Don't Look Jackass the entire country was ANTIFA during world war 2. Surely you can see the difference between Nazis, who teach and spread hate about other races, while ANTIFA fights against the hateful Nazis. If you aren't anti fascist then you're on the wrong side. One side preaches hate and the other is trying to kill that hate. Don't be an insecure and scared Nazi.
Garry Miller ANTIFA today are not fighting against the Nazis or 1940s Germany. In the 1940s brave men stormed the beaches of Normandy to fight of a genocidal war machine. ANTIFA today put on black masks and go downtown to punch Trump supporters, or a guy minding his own business on the bus. Nazis in the 1940s were an actual threat. Today they are not.
Garry Miller Considering that ANTIFA today are not fighting Nazis, just people they arbitrarily label as Nazis, why exactly can’t I hate them as well?
SuperSupermanX1999 yes they aren't a treat now but if they just stay silent and bite their time they can come in with large groups and become a treat I would rather have Antifa then a neo nazi
Since when do fascists believe in following the rules or principles?
That's a question I ask of the authoritarian Left every single day. Since they don't know what either rules or principles are, they've yet to arrive at an answer.
So it’s okay to stoop down to nazi level?
Since they lost the war.
@JDMime what conservatives have promoted violence against any of those groups
Oh congratulations, by not believing in following the rules or principles you have become just like fascists!
Some people deserve to get punched in the face.
Bill Maher Crowd: we applaud violence.
SmithN' Wesson here is as a quote from Hitler himself. Maybe it will help you identify the nazi Germany flag since he bastardized the swastika in the 1920s.
“I myself, meanwhile, after innumerable attempts, had laid down a final fo rm; a flag with a red background, a white disk, and a black swastika in the middle. After long trials I also found a definite proportion between the size of the flag and the size of the white disk, as well as the shape and thickness of the swastika.”
@@Denman17 and your point? He can't wear that becauss you don't like it? Well I guess I will beat the fuck out of the next male i see wearing a sickle and hammer shirt right? 😆
And you applauded violence after 9/11, right? You wanted somebody to pay for what was done, and your ass didn't care who got hurt, right? So, when we know an actual enemy who has harmed actual people, we don't give the benefit of a doubt so that you can freely walk around harassing people, pretending you're normal. Violence against terrorist Nazis? You're damn right.
@@smithnwesson990 We know what an orange armband and swastika means, fuckface.
@@smithnwesson990 If we meet I'll punch you too.
Conflating soldiers in war with citizens on a train is just ridiculous. Even still if we take the soldiers in WWII analogy further, we would also say that it would be wrong and illegal to punch a Nazi once detained and imprisoned. We fed them, gave them shelter and brought them to trial, all of which proves Bill's point about values and not feelings.
@@ShankarSivarajan no it isn't
@themetal Proof or GTFO stupid. This is 2019, propaganda is no longer valid for you to use.
@themetal do you know how many ss soldiers didn't believe in that shit, but they had no choice coz they lived in an authoritarian state?
Also the ss was a small branch of the army, so stop acting as if it was millions of people perpetrating war crimes
@themetal ignorance is bliss, which is why you seem so happy with yourself even though you're wrong.
A shit ton of ss, and particularly the regular military didn't want to be in that damn war, but they didn't exactly have a choice.
I'm actually well-versed in this section of history, and that's how I know you dont volunteer for the ss , you were "offered" a promotion - a promotion that could not be refused.
No one is debating that they arent war criminals, what I'm saying is if you were born in Germany, you would have fought for the nazis. You should be reticent call mere men with no power scum, because that means that you're also scum.
I think it was laws ,not feelings.
I have to agree with Bill Maher on this
Codeman227 Taking away rights from others groups makes you a Nazi yourself.
Macky Mucky no it doesn't.
Does taking away the rights of a mass murderer make you a evil Nazi? Ensuring the safety of all citizens by keeping this eveil idealogy locked away in history books never to return make good logical people nazi’s. Get off your high horse you goof. By your dumb logic we shouldnt put people who kill others in jail because “taking away other peoples rights make you a nazi.”
Basically every country that has jail/prison is a nazi country because” taking away other peoples rights makes you nazi” 🤨🤨
Macky Mucky taking away from a group of felons is Nazi. America is Nazi dude they're taking away rights. That how dumb you sound
Codeman227 Dude come on you have to try better than that. I fucking hate nazis and it's awful that they are still around but the best way to fight a nazi is to debunk his ideology, why lock him up only for speaking, now if he starts massacring people you fight bac and destroy that piece of shit. Plus, who's to say who is a nazi, those dipshits Antifa call almost anyone a nazi, even Ben Shapiro who is a conservative jew. So who do you give that power to? Left wing lunatics? How about right wing lunatics? It's not a high horse position, but it's dangerous locking people up only for speaking, think this through man come on, your position on free speech is fascist.
And try debating without insults, you moronic jizz rag.
You can't selectively enforce the 1st Amendment.
The 1st Amendment is selective enough to exclude many things from it's protection. It has limits.
*The people most opposed to punching nazis just so happen to be politically right wing….interesting.*
"Some of these old laws(free speech) need to be revisited, because they just don't fit what's going on" A statement from a member of our "press".
The journalist's take on the law seems to run something like this: "Some of these... laws need to be revisited, because they just don't fit what's going on, namely that I'm trying to ply these preschoolers here with drugs and alcohol so I can 'touch' them once we leave the studio"
@@leomoran142 more likely to come from Trump.
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I was disappointed that Maher didn't stop her right there with that comment.
This is idiocy. Nazis have nothing to bring to the "marketplace of ideas".
The first rule of debating Nazis is: DON'T DEBATE NAZIS
We've been over this. Karl Popper clearly explained the solution to the "tolerance paradox": The one thing a tolerant society must NEVER tolerate is intolerance itself.
So what if the guy isn't literally burning Jews during his bus ride. The person is an advocate of genocide. There's no reasoning with that. They don't give a shit about morals. They WANT a world where the rules don't apply to them! You can "debate" a Nazi 'til you're blue in the face and they will simply act in bad faith because that's what fascists do!
The world tried appeasement in the 30s. They tried giving Nazis the benefit of the doubt. We learned the hard way that the only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.
Germany no longer puts up with that shit. They have exceptions to "free speech" regarding Nazi bullshit. The US doesn't have those rules and we now have Fox News anchors openly spouting fascist rhetoric and convincing millions of Americans that fascism is the answer. This is exactly why the polite thing to do when you see a Nazi is to punch them in their horrible faces!
Bill Maher is pathetic.
It's shocking to hear liberals and activists saying, "We need to revisit some of these rights."
Isn't that what fascists want to do?
+Larry Doty Although they use the term "liberal" to describe themselves, the progressives are intellectual cousins of communists, who were extremely violent and had a higher body count than the fascists.
Larry Doty no facist commit terrorism, genocide and murder political opponents. Banning public support for these kinds of ideas is in no way facism. It's protecting your democracy.
rutger5000 how is that protecting the democracy though? If a stupid guy comes and start defending nazism, you can find hundreds of people to counter every argument that guy makes, because that idea is stupid. Now punch that guy, and suddenly he has an argument against you.
Free speech is great because bad ideas can be heard and then debunked. If you need to resort to violence because you can't express in words why an idea is bad, maybe you need to revisit your principals.
Giovanni Zanini Since when has being a stupid guy. Who says things 100 people can immidiately counter. Has ever been an insurmountable issue to win elections?
Naziism isn't a large threat now, because for decades it has never been allowed a chance. That can never change.
Well, let's agree to disagree. I think nazism isn't a large threat because only crazy people believe in it. I don't feel threatened one bit
"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
-Isaac Asimov
WE DON'T NEGOTIATE WITH EVIL, BITCH.
^ Found the incompetent
How about trying to protect those that nazis swear to exterminate?
Pardon me, but if you go around punching people, then isn't there a possibility that YOU will get PUNCHED BACK?
@@akumaangelus2999 This.Kill evil before it spreads.
Nothing wrong with a Nazi getting hurt. Nothing.
I wonder how Morello feels about punching communists?
Shhhh, don't tell him communists are responsible for millions of deaths still to this day.
how many communists are there genius?
i've never seen a communist march or rally...McCarthy already persecuted them into extinction as a political party and they are often attacked if they come out.
funny how no one seemed to give a shit about that in the day either huh?
Mckenzie Latham
Antifa. There's your Communists. There are Communists everywhere, the entire movement is filled with them. They're all over the west. The Occupy Wall Street movement was full of Communists. A significant chunk of Bernie supporters were Communists. Most University professors are Communists. When people say there is a Nazi or a Fascist uprising, the opposite is true. If anything, there is a Communist uprising & we've seen it increasingly since Trump won.
Have you literally been living under a bridge?
Um... half the university professors in the humanities are communists.
Ineth you're literasly doing the same thing as those calling others nazis for difference in opinion.
even if they're sjws thats equivalent to commies (dont confuse them with Marxists)
By engaging in political violence, you legitimize that violence against yourself.
Isn't punching someone for wearing a swastika political violence? Would I be legitimizing violence against me by doing that?
Troll logic. Just ignore it.
Remember people, you shouldn't punch a nazis cause it's agaisnt freedom of speech, but if you take a knee you're a piece of shit and should be fired.
All politics is violent
Thank you. How do people not get this?
Interesting discussion. It really warrants more time and deeper looking into - more airtime.
If I encounter Islamists in America that think "infidels" should be violently attacked, even beheaded, should Patriots be allowed to walk up and punch them in the face ? By Tom's reasoning, the answer is YES !
I guess you could load a cassette tape of the Kol Nidre into your “boom box”…sit next to him and play it loudly.
Of course it would probably drive everyone else off the bus…but at least it says loud and clear: “Your side lost and we’re still here!”
He might retaliate by playing “Horst-Wessel-Lied” though.
Nazi core philosophy is based on the Nietzschean "Might makes right" principle. If punching an individual because they wear insignia of a political/social/religious ideology you abhor is something you think is good/right; you have a lot in common with Nazis.
Perfectly said .
You're right. The Allies were the Nazis all along. WHATATWIST
That's such a false equivalence. We were at war with them. Now we aren't. Whether anyone likes it or not, these people are American citizens and are absolutely entitled to first amendment protections. The Supreme Court has affirmed this repeatedly.
I personally find it hilarious everyone says one should not punch a nazis becasue it violates freedom of speech, and yet they then say if you take a knee you're a anti American, troop hating piece of shit who should be fired or killed/beaten.
Nazis advocated genocide (and still do). Excuse me and millions of others for not feeling sympathy for someone who wants me and millions of others dead. There is a rise in white supremacy and white nationalists.
Bill is correct - understand the principle of free speech, folks!
Free speech protects you from government censorship. Morality and Legality are not the same things. This had nothing to do with legality.
+Cory Mck
"This had nothing to do with legality."
So there are no laws against assault or battery? I could have sworn there were...
88fibonaccisequence
So this argument was about the legality of assault? I could have sworn is wasn't...
+Cory Mck
"Morality and Legality are not the same things. This had nothing to do with legality."
There are laws against assault and battery. Therefore, the statement "This had nothing to do with legality" is false.
No, This those laws exist and nobody was arguing that they shouldn't therefore this had nothing to do with legality period end of sentence.
Ahhh when things were simpler... 10 months later and I forgot about this honestly... shits getting real
How was he inciting anything by sitting on a bus?
How does wiping your butt with the American flag incite anything? It's just a cloth.
@@Iloveswedes Same principle.
Iloveswedes both are wrong but neither deserve to be punched unless they were previously violent
Uhhhhhhhhhhh are you delusional?!?
Oddly, punching someone for saying something you don't like is EXACTLY what a Nazi would do.
Being a Nazi is not just "saying something you don't like". A Nazi is someone who advocates genocide, and punching people who advocate genocide is letting them off easy.
steve1978ger Yeah Nazis did promote genocide. That man did nothing wrong. He wasnt even given the chance to explain himself
Thats the magic of Irony.
Listen, we all want to punch them till they cant sit properly anymore. That's fine. What isn't fine is acting on it because the very second you stop a person who is violent towards anyone who believes different than him (Nazi) by force of violence, you throw your moral principles (If you have any to begin with) out the window. At that point, you might as well join him.
Punching or threatening someone because of their beliefs or opinions is a morally repugnant stance to take.
steve1978ger so why not wait for him to actually advocate genocide before taking matters into your own hands? or better, recognise that advocating genocide is not the same as actually committing genocide (something nazis will never have the institutional power to do in this country) and people should not be attacked for empty words?
I rarely watch Real Time anymore because of how left Bill has become. However he is still holding true to a few principles such as Islam and free speech. I was afraid of watching this because I assumed the worst. I am glad he stood his ground.
bill had a rough life.
Hated by the right in the 90's and early 2000's
Hated by the left in the late 2000's and 10's
Bill is literally a symbol of american hope and freedom. Something to be hated by both the left and right....
Dude, Bill is not "left"
@@mrbrown8238 go shove some rational arguments up where your brain would be
Funny you say that because since Bill has shifted right over the years, not left. He is constantly saying right wing talking points now and bashing the left.
bill has been moving right since occupy and wasn't that left to begin with. who cares if the guy got punched? no one is saying it should be legal.
“Some old laws need to be revisited.” You mean free speech? No thank you. Stay away from revising any free speech laws.
This is idiocy. Nazis have nothing to bring to the "marketplace of ideas".
The first rule of debating Nazis is: DON'T DEBATE NAZIS
We've been over this. Karl Popper clearly explained the solution to the "tolerance paradox": The one thing a tolerant society must NEVER tolerate is intolerance itself.
So what if the guy isn't literally burning Jews during his bus ride. The person is an advocate of genocide. There's no reasoning with that. They don't give a shit about morals. They WANT a world where the rules don't apply to them! You can "debate" a Nazi 'til you're blue in the face and they will simply act in bad faith because that's what fascists do!
The world tried appeasement in the 30s. They tried giving Nazis the benefit of the doubt. We learned the hard way that the only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.
Germany no longer puts up with that shit. They have exceptions to "free speech" regarding Nazi bullshit. The US doesn't have those rules and we now have Fox News anchors openly spouting fascist rhetoric and convincing millions of Americans that fascism is the answer. This is exactly why the polite thing to do when you see a Nazi is to punch them in their horrible faces!
Bill Maher is pathetic.
Freedom of speech was intended to keep people from being jailed for disagreeing with the ruling party at any given time. It was never intended to give hate a platform.
If freedom of speech cannot protect that which is "odious", then it has no purpose. "Heresy against God" was also considered "odious" at one point in time.
I'm totally with Bill on this one. Plus, I love Heavy Metal, and I have a lot of Tshirts that condemn the entire human race to eternal destruction and doom, and I wouldn't want those to be taken literally.
Do you think a heavy metal shirt is the same thing as a hate symbol?
Cory Mck Fussy liberals on campus' may see it that way. Remember, most metal fans are white. Therefore, campus liberals may see it as a culture of oppression against "people of color".
MelanicDisaster Or.. maybe instead of a strawman you could use common sense and realize that the man this video is talking about was wearing a swastika and was harassing a black man on the bus. That might be a more intellectually honest conversation than your slippery slope fallacy of ""If they'll punch a literal Nazi, then they might punch me, a metal fan."" That might be easier to conceptualize than fussy liberals on campus punching people for a culture of oppression against PoC. Also, why did you put quotes around PoC, I know you're trying to frame liberals by ironically using words that you don't understand, but PoC should be a pretty easy term to understand.
Cory Mck Damn, you really got your panties in a bunch over that one haha. Not sure if you knew, but as someone on a college campus I witness shit that isn't that exaggerated from what I joked about. It may seem like a straw man (even though I wasn't misrepresenting anyone's argument, but rather making a joke), but the reality is that people get attacked for wearing red hats (even if they're not MAGA) and I've seen campus snowflakes throw a fit and tear speakers down at a public discussion where a female biologist said that there are biological differences between men and women. Look it up, funny video that makes my joke seem more fact than fiction. They even call her a Nazi for it, because science is white oppression apparently.
"I've seen campus snowflakes throw a fit and tear speakers down at a public discussion where a female biologist said that there are biological differences between men and women."
That's a reductionist lie and you know it, nobody on earth ever argued that sex was non-existant. And again, with the buzzwords, you can't call people "Snowflakes who throw fits" and claim that they might attack someone for wearing a metal shirt. Pick a stereotype, not both. Tell me who the speaker was since you say that you saw them removed. Because I googled "biologist removed public speaker university protest" and only got examples of white nationalists and ""race realists"" (scientific racists who argue for eugenics) who were removed.
Secondly, saying that I "got my panties in a bunch" is a way of framing the discussion to make it seem like I'm overemotional or too serious because I'm pointing out your argument. It wasn't a joke because you and the OP both implied the same argument.
Be careful when you fight the monsters, less you become one. -nietszche
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke. So where is the line drawn? :(
"Wherever they burn books, in the end will also burn human beings." - Heinrich Heine.
Killing nazis is a moral fucking good. They've gotten to say what they want, and gotten to do what they want to do. No more. They know what happens, they want genocide. They don't get to propagate their ideas. Kill the lot.
The kkk once had a lot of influence in America. Now they are virtually irrelevant in spite of the fact that they have always been able to speak freely.
nietzche is also the philosopher who codified social darwinism and fascist ideology, let's not pretend he had any right to talk about what makes a monster
I love bill Maher's response at a minute and 40 seconds into this.. He looks at them like shut the hell up and let me talk this is my show!
That man in the middles way of talking is literally giving me anxiety lol like calm downnnnnn
Punching Nazis for being Nazis is unconstitutional and dangerous for society. Put 'em under spotlight of public eye and ridicule 'em. Answer to bad ideas is more good ideas
Ms Scarlette If its okay to punch a Nazi, is it okay to pour bleach on the hair of a lesbian? Or tar and feather a Communist?
arugono You are comparing sexual orientation with an ideology that advocates supremacy and bigotry. Your argument is invalid. If the lesbian walks around screaming fuck the jews I would not have an issue if someone punches her in the face.
Punching them is just going to make them feel vindicated. Violence begets violence. Also it’s unsanitary.
BIG BEAR *said the sjw who chants about killing white people and males*
if the answer to bad ideas was good ideas then trump wouldn't have fucking won
The tone and fallacy of the "punching nazis" meme: "This person might harbor some hateful feelings towards me and people I know & love. Oh wait! A good asskicking would teach him to love people like me!"
For me, the problem with "punching nazis" isn't the punching of *actual* nazis - it's the idea that anyone you merely *suspect* of being a nazi is somehow also fair game.
I agree with you and I'm sorry for replying so late - but would you mind if I played devil's advocate?
That’s why anti-fascist projects have people that investigate those suspected of being nazis. Punching a Nazi is the only thing that will get them to stop showing up. Punching a conservative or something like that will only make the puncher a villain.
We are no longer in the place where we "seek to understand" evil, only to eradicate it.
The solution to seeing a Nazi on a bus is to goad him into a confrontation and then kill him under the guise of self-defense.
@@fishbone3333 except we already know that fascists thrive in manipulated media narratives. Racists cops get “murdered in the line of duty” while 14 black boys “die in confrontation”.
Also, you can’t kill an ideology.
If I encounter Islamists in America that think "infidels" should be violently attacked, even beheaded, should Patriots be allowed to walk up and punch them in the face ? By Tom's reasoning, the answer is YES !
“I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It”
Voltaire
Voltaire didn't life in a time to see freedom of speech be abused for the sake of hatred, corruption and oppression. If he'd lived through the 20th century. He would have added. "unless you're a nazi, then you deserve to be punched in the face."
@@rutger5000 Random TH-camr thinks he speaks for Voltare and that Voltare didn't live in a time of opression or fascism, when the church was killing people for heresy... You're right, you're the one with the plight in your free nation with free speech.. But, yeah, lets throw all that away, lets throw the first amendment away if its something we dont agree with... What a fucking joke.
@Will G Proof it give me an example
Should you punch the Nazi?
Ask yourself:
Is the Nazi hurting anyone?
If yes: Punch the Nazi
If no: The act of being a Nazi is inherently violent, so yes he is. And so: Punch the fucking Nazi.
Rutger Vigilantism just leads to witch hunts in which people are seeing "nazis" everywhere. Sorry, but you are not qualified to play judge, jury and exec utioner.
Fascism isn’t merely rhetorical. Fascism is also functional. If you go around punching people who you consider to be fascists, what’s the difference between you and a brown shirt? This guy offended people with his outfit. That’s understandable. But should we legislate offense, or legislate harm?
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.
piano1500 And punching someone equals battery which is a criminal act.
@@TTUploads Punching a Nazi equals self-defense.
@@TTUploads so what? commiting criminal acts is sometimes necessary if it's for a righteous cause, and punching a nazi is a righteous cause.
@@yokiryuchan7655 Sure, just be prepared for either a fine or jail
@@TTUploads When it comes to Nazis its worth it.
I've said this before and I will say it again. Yes, you have freedom of speech and the freedom of expression. However, what you do not have is freedom from consequence. If you choose to openly align yourself with one of the most most despicable organizations in history, you shouldn't be surprised when you receive some sort of blow back.
I mean, if this were the 1930s or '40s, one could make an argument "not all Nazis are bad people." It's highly likely that a large majority didn't realize what they were signing up for. However, you can't say that with Neo-Nazis. Neo-Nazis know exactly what the Nazis did and they believe that is the way. So, I personally don't give a shit what happens to those fuckers. I'm not an advocate of violence, but I refuse to have empathy for people who make it very clear that they have no empathy.
Same with communists.
@@leviturner3265 authoritarian-communists*
There's no need to have empathy for Nazis, but you must have common sense. You're the one who's going to jail for punching non violent protesters.
@@akashrajkishore Well, I’m saying that people should punch non-violent protestors although I would probably punch a neo-nazi just because I’m a 6’2 pasty-ass white guy with a shaved head; just so others could discern that I’m not with those assholes; if ever in a crowd. Other than that; I wouldn’t do it. Well...uh...then again; that may just be an assault and battery charge I’m willing to accept. Other than building a time machine; how else would I have the opportunity to say I whipped some Nazi ass? I’m kidding of course; I probably wouldn’t...maybe. Let’s put it this way; I’m not saying that I would do, but I would definitely consider it. However; if someone else did it; I wouldn’t feel sorry for the Nazi, and if anyone asks; I didn’t see a damn thing.😉
Well, uhhhh MY question is WHY weren't they "punching" those Nazis 75 to 80 YEARS AGO in GERMANY back when THEY were those guys who were SUPPOSEDLY apprehending them, dragging them off to those camps, using them as guinea pigs in medical experiments, and ga$$!ng them to death? . .. seems a little LATE for all this tough talking regarding Nazis if you ask me.
We are taught as children never to use violence but this country uses violence whenever it chooses to and it legitimizes that violence.
Good debate, you guys were listening to each other. That's a good thing.
She couldn’t be more eager to drop Harry Belafonte’s name haha
I noticed that. Whenever someone does that in my presence I will point to the ground and say "hey I think you dropped a name". They usually look before they realize I'm just being a smartass.
He was SITTING on a bus! How could he be intimidating?
I know right, I can't even wear my hate symbols in peace now. Next they're going to tell me I'm the problem when I come onto the bus in my grand wizard robe and that I shouldn't be waving my ISIS flag. Can you believe it?
I read that he was harassing people the whole time. Can't confirm. It's better for people like that to be shown they aren't intimidating.
@@CoryMck Depends on if they are letting the guy with the Soviet uniform or the inquisitors robes on the bus, as well.
@@DarkAdonisVyers Conflating the Soviet Union, and fascist ideology is disgusting.
@@CoryMck You're right. Despite having nicer-sounding ideals, the commies are worse, in practice.
Empty an entire clip on the Nazi.
These people throw out appeals to emotion, like it’s no one’s business 😂
mtrujillo1973 that’s the dumbest thing I’ve read today
Almost as dumb as responding to a year old comment 🤣
@mtrujillo1973 Being controlled by your emotions to the point where they matter more than logic and reason isn't the first thing that comes to mind when I hear the word smart.
I like cheese.
Pepper jack or provolone?
im gonna punch the fuck outta you if i find you
Pair it with a fine wine on occasion too, I bet. How typically bourgeois. You think the brown shirts won't come for you just because you sat there nibbling Gouda while Nazis freely organize and flap their unpunched jaws about building the wall for their future ethno-state? You would sooner have genocide than bash the Fasch?? Well, let's see how long your liberal manners hold up after we SEIZE THE MEANS OF CHEESE PRODUCTION!
I like trains
whynot-tomorrow? Limburgher
Holy Christ Tom Morello is beyond delusional.
He's a celebrity. Most are ignorant because they surround themselves with echo chambers.
It's as simple as Bill was saying, no changes need to be made to the constitution. As usual the problem lies with the human elements in the world.
Not wanting to fight a nazi because they don't attack anyone is like not attacking a terrorist because they are gathering dynamite but haven't blown the building up yet.
These comments are going to be so fucking great. 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿
Agree with other commenters- you may not like what you see, but as an option: Why not walk over to the guy on the bus, and sit down- ask him why- and see what he says/does... THAT's the way to approach such hatred. Of course, no doubt once he opens his mouth, you'll have a good reason to smack him- but at least let him do that.
If he can be persuaded into Nazism with words he can probably be persuaded out of Nazism with words.
Than get stabbed like those poor dudes on the train in portland oregon? Fuck this neoliberal bullshit, freedom of speech goes both ways, a swazi is asking for violence against others and just ends up bringing violence against yourself bc the free speech of the community. Jfc america is so fucked.
What do they hope to accomplish by punching people? Are they actually trying to change peoples' minds, or just entrench their terrible beliefs?
Bill Maher is usually the sensible one as always. He is not a liberal in today's society.
Glad to see Bill standing on the proper side of this issue.
Zack H I agree, there is still hope. I left the Democratic party 3 years ago as an Independent. Good Liberals, keep up the good fight.
His balls grew back in. Good on ya Bill.
...and the "true liberals" we can thank for the rise of Hitler. Fucking disgusting what cowards you all are. USELESS LIBERALS!
On the side of neo-nazis?
Yessssss
You can't just punch someone for wearing a Nazi sign on their arm. That sign has been around for thousands of years. It means any different things to people
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
You really think they’re wearing it because they’re a Taoist? Lol delusional
Thanks Bill for being an intelligent liberal who values free speech and discussion.
If my skin was darker, I dressed in black, declared myself a member of ISIS and shouted 'death to the infidels', etc. I'd be in an orange jumpsuit and on the first plane to Guantanamo. If I dressed up as a Nazi or KKK and spouted equally vile things about Jewish people, etc. then I'd get a free pass and people would defend my right to free speech? This is white privilege in a nutshell.
White Privelege is an excuse for you to use for your own shortcomings, no you wouldn’t go to Guantanamo because nobody would take you seriously and everyone would consider you a fucking clown with no real criminal record, if you had an actual explosive strapped onto you of course you would but not if you’re acting like a lunatic.
If you speak about nazism and endorse it you’d be considered a pariah and practically everyone on social media will dogpile you. They already do that for old racist tweets your boss will fire you and you will get numerous death threats so why wouldn’t they do that there unless you’re making a strawman.
You look at people having remotely right wing ideas and compare it to the Reich. Any remotely right wing idea is immedietly alt right and harmful.
It is ridiculous comparisons like that, that make people defend those ideas in particular, but it’s all black and white for you.
And if I’m white skinned the only real benefit is that nobody will take my problems seriously because I’m priveleged, I can’t have societal, economic and educational issues like everyone else because I’m “privileged” fuck off and look at homeless statistics by skin color.
I’d really like to know where I can collect the money reward for being born a Caucasian. It’s been due for a few decades now and I wouldn’t be in debt like my father who shot himself through the roof of his mouth in the last decade. I don’t even know why I’m commenting this because you dumbasses will keep touting this excuse for not trying to raise your station in life. There are plenty of dark skinned millionaires, you just have to google by net worth. Why can’t you if they can? Are they ‘white’ to you now?
Hope you converted lots of nazis to being rational with your “discussion” right?
T.G Martinez,
There is a difference between saying “death to infidels”, and saying that one race in inferior. Both are unacceptable, however one is an active call to violence, which is illegal, and the other is a statement. Therefore “death to infidels” is illegal, and “Jews are inferior” is not. Once again, I think both are horrible, however one is not an incitement to violence.
Guilherme Tosetto,
People’s minds are changed through non-violent speech. I invite you to watch the TeD x talk “Why I, as a black man, attend KKK rallies”. That man has changed many minds with his speech.
Bill is one of the only liberals on TV that I have respect for. I may disagree with him a lot but he is a voice of reason.. what a time to be alive
They shouldn't have punched that guy. They should have given him a hug and told him it's okay because someone probably hurt that guy and this is the way he deals with it.
exactly.
someone hurt him so he decided to go out in public dressed as a Nazi. Poor baby, he deserves all of our love and affection for advocating for genocide. I guess this grown adult just needed hugs to not be racist, that will solve the problem. Maybe we should just hug ISIS into submission too while we're at it.
Cory, are you comparing an American-Nazi to ISIS?
Kaminoan Midgaurdian, why would it hurt my feelings? I also don't understand what you mean by the rest of that. Sorry.
Nope. And I don't approve of the ideas of American Nazis. I just think it's strange to compare a group with ideas to a group of actions. American Nazis as a group do not harm people, and they don't claim to harm people.
Bill, you really needed to bring this up: With the term Nazi thrown around so much, and we are ok with punching Nazis, who defines what the Nazis are after a point?
Your actions define what you are. You dress up like a Nazi, it's pretty clear what you support. Why gaslight?
@@Iloveswedes Just being a conservative gets you labeled as a Nazi these days.
@@QarthCEO Which is an issue I think, because it obscures what the real characteristics and dangers of Nazism are. The soldiers of WWII who fought against Nazism were more left-leaning than Nazism, but I don't think they were communists or progressives either, which at the time made them the conservatives at risk of radicalisation at the time, if it weren't for the war. But there was a war, and nazism was opposed.
@Bob Wiley What part of the Southern Strategy makes it legitimate to call conservatives Nazis?
@@QarthCEO Pretty much all conservatives i know support punching Nazis. Heck they'd probably help out.
People need to stop being controlled by their emotions.
When you political “ideology” advocates for me being dead then don’t be surprised when you get dealt with. If you’re going to dish it out then learn how to take the hit
THIS.
Vigilantes are criminals. If you’re going to dish it out then learn how to take the hit. Of course, I suppose that the bounty hunter is happy for the work, especially if they're around, and the police aren't.
@Globglogabgolab 2.0 your mom
Great way to hurt people you label a "nazi" whether they agree or not.
Surely you aren't stupid enough not to understand the problem with this position.
Sid Vicious used to wear a nazi shirt, i would like to know Tom's opinion on that.
Yeah, because Sid vicious is the outstanding paragon of morality that we all ought to aspire for. Also that was part of a punk movement specifically motivated by shock value. A movement that has long since died and now the only people with nazi signs are actually neo-nazis
Tommy Ticklebum,
Is that a joke?
You can't actually be that stupid.
Sid Vicious was 17 when he wore that T-shirt and it was purely for shock appeal.
Surely anyone with a functional brain knows that.
I think Tom (like anyone else on planet Earth) might be more interested in the immensely more pressing issue of Sid being a murderer.
Sid Vicious also abused and murdered his girlfriend. I don't exactly think that's who we should be using as a moral baseline.
Tommy Ticklebum sid vicious was an embarrassment to punk
Justin That and actors, world war 2 reenacters and people who like to play dress up but don't believe in na zisn. I'm glad you made that comment because you demonstrated the main danger of vigilantism.
Watching these people defend assaulting a person for wrongthink was just pathetic
It was just Morello
Germán if I saw a Nazi walking on the street I'd gutted stomp his teeth on a curb. Then piss on his body. Fuck nazis 😂
Jack Heyman I hope you don't become the monster you are trying to slay
@Jack Heyman - Way to lower yourself down to their level. I hate Neo Nazi's just as much as you do but use your words and create activism to inform the people instead of using violence. Now, if that Nazi uses violence on you first then by all mean stomp away.
And to the OP @Germán - It was only Tom Morello who incited violence.
Wrong think? What about Evil think? Is that pathetic?
Real liberals love free speech, even when we hate it. Great Bill moment
@Frenchmans fury Yeah, no one is saying that
Just as a firefighter is not a fire for confronting it, an anti-fascist is not a fascist for confronting fascism.
How about we stop physically assaulting people for an opinion?
So, we should wait until they have enough political and societal power to act on their programm to fight back? great idea, if ya want a genocide.
You americans have tikki marches around the US and a literal group of people that advocate genocide on a regular basis that gains traction. What the fuck do you mean "there are a few nazis out there"? There are a whole bunch.
(None American here) I don't think TheSonOfAGunFrom410 or Bill Maher are suggesting Americans should wait until the Nazis have enough political and societal power to act on their program. I think they are suggesting that Americans SHOULD fight them right now but they should fight Nazis verbally, not physically.
We all should condemn evil ideas when people express them by explaining why they are evil and we should advocate for better ideas. Ideas like the one Bill Maher advocated for, "We have to go by principles, not feelings."
@@HUNDmiau yes but those marches have what a few hundred people each and there's probably overlap between them meaning so there might be 20k total real Nazis in the US making them a completely irelavant minority
@@TheCaptaineustass U can't go around assaulting ppl based on intent as per your own judgement
Oh Tom, not sure you wanna go this route. Don't forget that you're an open supporter of Communism, an ideology with a death toll much higher than Nazism.
Only because of fascism.
What does that mean? In what way do fascism and communism "feed off of each other"? And how does this relate to Tom supporting genocide or Nazis being innocent?
That's like saying Democracy has the same death toll. Nazi's are diff cause their whole platform is being superior and removing all the chaff
88fibonaccisequence
1. Nazi Germany.
2. A communist society has never existed so that's a trick question.
Also, America has the highest forced labor camp rate per citizen in the world.
Ranjodh Singh the Chinese and Vietnamese governments were ""Communist"" what are you talking about?
Are you arguing that Communist and fascism is the same thing? You're saying that Ukranian neo-nazis are racist because of the hate and bigotry from "left wing murders" any evidence? And Communist movements and symbolism exists in more than just 2 countries, there are countless countries with Communist parties to this day that have the sickle and hammer and represent workers rights, so I still fail to see your correlation between fascism and communism which are not the same thing.
This show should have a speaking shell to pass around... one that bill will take whenever he feels like it.
Is hate speech illegal in America?
Tom Morello is a real winner
Thank you Bill. Left going full regressive on this one.
This is idiocy. Nazis have nothing to bring to the "marketplace of ideas".
The first rule of debating Nazis is: DON'T DEBATE NAZIS
We've been over this. Karl Popper clearly explained the solution to the "tolerance paradox": The one thing a tolerant society must NEVER tolerate is intolerance itself.
So what if the guy isn't literally burning Jews during his bus ride. The person is an advocate of genocide. There's no reasoning with that. They don't give a shit about morals. They WANT a world where the rules don't apply to them! You can "debate" a Nazi 'til you're blue in the face and they will simply act in bad faith because that's what fascists do!
The world tried appeasement in the 30s. They tried giving Nazis the benefit of the doubt. We learned the hard way that the only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.
Germany no longer puts up with that shit. They have exceptions to "free speech" regarding Nazi bullshit. The US doesn't have those rules and we now have Fox News anchors openly spouting fascist rhetoric and convincing millions of Americans that fascism is the answer. This is exactly why the polite thing to do when you see a Nazi is to punch them in their horrible faces!
Bill Maher is pathetic.
@@AbeDillon
a) I don't trust your definition of who is or is not a "nazi"
b) You have a shit understanding of Karl Popper based on a viral internet meme. In that quotation he was paraphrasing Plato, who he THEN GOES ON TO DISAGREE WITH
c) "Don't tolerate the intolerant" would, obviously, apply to people like you as well.
d) Appeasing the fascists in the 30s didn't involve letting Hitler make an argument (indeed, his imprisonment was beneficial for his career in the long-run), it was the part where they were ceded large amounts of territory and/or Hitler being brought to power via parliamentary shenanigans
e) The punch a nazi stuff seems like a repository for a certain type of masculinity from people who are otherwise quick to pull back on the first note of offense. It's strange.
f) SJW mindset helped lead to Trump in 2016 and is currently holding back Biden. Not to mention taking Bernie's successful 2016 campaign, grounded on universalist economic populism, into a vague mess in 2020 that Biden easily stampeded over by capturing the middle.
But then, what happens when someone calls you a Nazi and you absolutely aren't, just because you disagree with them? If we've established the principle that violence is OK against "Nazis", then surely calling anybody a Nazi will make violence against them justified. The term "Nazi" has already lost all meaning in American discourse. Nowadays, everyone is a "Nazi". Do people not even think about this kind of stuff?
Bill’s absolutely right here. If we defy the principle of free speech because we don’t like what the other guy is saying, we stamp out productive discourse in our society and set a precedent of silencing the opposition.
Yeah bro, people verbally attacking others for inalienable characteristics is definitely "productive discourse".
Then why did we go to war against the NAZI's?
"I'm not a liberal". You're right. Liberals would agree with Bill. Also I love how this guy's description is just "activist"
Tom Morello is known for having concerts that display the Soviet sickle and hammer -- an ideology that was far more destructive and lethal than the neo-Nazi ideology he complains about.
But since Soviet-era atrocities did not have the same impact on the West that Nazi Germany did, then the former is conveniently downplayed, and even made to be "edgy".
Maher is feeling the pull to the right, I sense it. He can see just how crazy his fellow liberals have truly become. Wow
DJ Zan would be nice to just have some rationality back i predict bill is a centrist by midterms lol
Did you see his face when morello answered
definitely a centrist but presents as a full liberal. A bit hard to move from that position publicly. Not saying he needs to change the color of his hat but goddamn, with the amount of zombie loopy's he encounters on his show there will be a SNAP very soon!
What if he was saying that someone around him was acting like a nazi, and forcing him into something he didn't like?
I wonder how Tom Morellos grandfather would have responded to his grandson burning the American flag on the stage
don’t think he’d care tbh. fuck this country.
@@MrBuddyHolly1 then why dont you move ? And I expect an answer .because you live in the most free country to have ever existed in the history of this planet were all on .you just dont see that because your either self centered or uneducated, its one of the two .so why dont you move ?
Funny thing is that Tom used to wear a hat on stage that said COMMIE, sooo based on the historical logic, since communism has killed hundreds of millions- do I get to punch him??
Capitalism has killed over 1.6 billion people. More than Communism and Fascism together.
Capitalism has killed no one.
History says otherwise.
No it does not. Capitalism is an economic theory, that has given us our wealth and all the awesome bits of the modern world. Capitalism need restricting, not as in Denmark were those of us who have our own business is getting fucking in the ass with flag pole by the government so all the lazy fuck and the greedy refugee's and University students can be a parasite on for example my expense.
Capitalist economic policies kill 5 million people in Africa every year. Sorry facts hurt you.
When you try to suppress a voice, it returns with twice the energy
Good job Bill, now explain this to the fact checkers at Fascistbook!
The 2 sides will never come together because it takes 2 sides to listen with compasion and neither side will do that ...making both sides evil
Oh my god i love the "Punch Nazis" NPC in the middle at 4:05 we even get the orange Hitler part XD
When Morello burns the American flag on stage he's ok with the first amendment but not with a man wearing an arm band with the swatzika on it
You can't legally assault someone based on what their clothing options are. I understand why you want to punch this guy in the face, supporting that vile regime makes us angry but what we do with that anger has consequences.
Well, uhhhh MY question is WHY weren't they "punching" those Nazis 75 to 80 YEARS AGO in GERMANY back when THEY were those guys who were SUPPOSEDLY apprehending them, dragging them off to those camps, using them as guinea pigs in medical experiments, and ga$$!ng them to death? . .. seems a little LATE for all this tough talking regarding Nazis if you ask me.
Instead of punching him, I just would've sung the song "Hitler Has Only Got One Ball" over and over to him at the top of my voice.
Debate is the way to education, not violence.
This is idiocy. Nazis have nothing to bring to the "marketplace of ideas".
The first rule of debating Nazis is: DON'T DEBATE NAZIS
We've been over this. Karl Popper clearly explained the solution to the "tolerance paradox": The one thing a tolerant society must NEVER tolerate is intolerance itself.
So what if the guy isn't literally burning Jews during his bus ride. The person is an advocate of genocide. There's no reasoning with that. They don't give a shit about morals. They WANT a world where the rules don't apply to them! You can "debate" a Nazi 'til you're blue in the face and they will simply act in bad faith because that's what fascists do!
The world tried appeasement in the 30s. They tried giving Nazis the benefit of the doubt. We learned the hard way that the only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.
Germany no longer puts up with that shit. They have exceptions to "free speech" regarding Nazi bullshit. The US doesn't have those rules and we now have Fox News anchors openly spouting fascist rhetoric and convincing millions of Americans that fascism is the answer. This is exactly why the polite thing to do when you see a Nazi is to punch them in their horrible faces!
Bill Maher is pathetic.
@@AbeDillon I didn’t mention the Nazis (whose party was dissolved in 1945, btw).
Genius.
Right cos Neville Chamberlain debated Hitler and said that he was a good man. Or, we fight nazism physically and defeat it
What that woman fails to realize is that MLK later agreed with Malcom X
Uh, slow your roll there. MLK agreed with Malcolm only so far as blacks should take pride in being black and self defense of one's own life, but never, NEVER, did MLK agree with Black Separatism, Black Nationalism, or 'Any Means Necessary'.
It would be great if Nazis could be debated out of existence, but that's not going to happen. Sometimes they have to be punched. The world is not a seminar. That guy might have been just a "nut on a bus", but the general principle holds good.
Indiana Jones punched out the Nazis, it's what the good guys do