Quit Aiming Your Shotgun! | How to Shotgun 4
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- Quit Aiming Your Shotgun! | How to Shotgun 4: If you're shooting a moving target with a shotgun, aiming will lead to many missed shots. This may be one of the most important of all the things we have discussed in this How to Shotgun series. Let's go!
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I taught trapshooting for many years and found that when my students grasped and instituted this skill, their improvement increased exponentially. And oddly enough, I found getting over this hurdle was easier for the inexperienced over those with years of shooting under their belts. No bad habits to break and no established muscle memory to overcome I’m guessing.
Definitely as someone that’s shot with one eye open since 9 to trying to switch it to both eyes at 21 Is a challenge
As an older (bad habits-shooter ) I absolutely agree
Every time I get into the stand for a round of sporting clays I always remind myself to “look at the bird” all the way through the trigger pull.
It absolutely helps to pre-condition your thoughts to focus on this only.
Your body will instinctively know what to do with the gun to execute the shot.
This is why I love wing shooting the most. I do all kinds of recreational shooting, but nothing is a challenging and fun every time you pull the trigger than wing shooting!!
Just went and shot trap this morning, kept my eyes open, imagined I was playing hockey (hand eye sport), and shot better than I have before. Seriously love this channel. Thank you.
That is so awesome to hear! Thanks for sharing 👊
I'm pretty green at shotgun sport shooting but I learned exactly this. I really don't even bother aiming. In fact I don't think about it at all. I figure the spread of the shot should cover my margin of error. No one's called me a bad shot. I find people on this side of shooting are extremely friendly and supportive. I've been told by several old timers who are good at it that I'm severely handicapped by using a pump and that I should buy an Over/Under.
After 30 yrs shooting, I ONLY aim with rifles, and with shotguns when turkey hunting. Any other shooting, I dont aim. I no longer need to aim with a pistol under 30 yards (farther than I would bother shooting). Under 30 yards, I simply point like I point my finger and it’s done. I can’t remember when I missed a shot, but it was probably about 13 yrs ago. I generally dont shoot, however, unless I know my target is within range and I am attempting a feasible shot. For the most part, nowadays, the only challenge I have with guns is 1000+ yards with my .270 Weatherby Mag (and finding ammo for it. LOL).
I agree with everything except only 10% of shooters actually point where they are looking. Eye dominance and cross dominance is a huge problem for shotgun shooters. Vision is also a huge problem, some shooters are seeing blurry flares or aspirins and the top shooters see saucer or plate sized defined targets. Vision also affects balance which is hand I coordination. Love this channel.👍
only if they dont address thier visual probem with correction and correct optometrist thier is no problem. i have stigmatism and horrible vision uncorrected, but corrected i shoot this very method and fortunately enough found it on my own and have won several class championship state level because of it.
Best explanation of this I've heard. Makes sense. Shooting rifle almost exclusively over the last several decades makes it difficult to break the habit of aiming. I'm thinking practice with this technique will develop the coordination to pull it off.
After taking classes with Chife AJ, I only use sights for long shots with my rifle. I found little difference using a shotgun. With just a little practice, you can see amazing differences.
Being left eye dominant (20/15 vs 20/20) and a right handed taught shooter keeping both eyes open has been an interesting endeavour. The one thing that did help for sure was just focusing on the target and not looking at the bead. This has improved greatly, but I’ll still do a quick glance at the bead and back to the bird for stretch shots (50+yards); no guarantee on if both eyes are open or not. All I know is birds do go down at 50-70 often… I try not to think about it. though my 100% preference is decoying them or flushing them and taking the shot at 20-30.
This video is really good advice.
Richard Alden Knight's book "Mastering the Shotgun" has a great concept that works very well; act as if the shotgun is a broom and you are sweeping the "bird" out of the sky. As always, don't sweep to it; sweep through it. Especially good technique for teaching newbees for live game.
best explanation for pointing vs aiming that ive heard.
I’m pretty inexperienced with shotguns, and toward the end of a shoot I realized I was pointing rather than aiming, and hitting way faster and better. Lots of shooting definitely helped, and some guns definitely suited me better than others.
Great video. Just makes me want to head to the range and give it a try.
Loving this series
Absolutely awesome. Thank you.
Another great pointer. I think one of the starting points for shooting both eyes open, has to be,,, gun fit. AND, patterning your shotgun. Patterning with both eyes open starts to give you confidence by knowing where your scatter gun shoots. Guys like Steve, don't seem to have that issue, as he can shoot any shotgun, however, 95% of us need to follow a path and steps to success.
I have never "patterned" my gun. Don't do it. you don't need to "think" about what your pattern is doing. Just focus on the target. Don't look at lead either. Hard focus on the target.
@@thomaspiscitello7330 Pointing at a spot on the pattern board is extremely important for a new shooter. Then teaching exact leads for fixtargets is also important for new shooters. Some shooters excel quicker with a sustained lead. Others excel quicker with a pass-through. Some excel quicker with a pull ahead or
moified pull head which is an excellent technique for precise lead on long targets. Teaching lead to new shooters is one of the most important thing to keep them from wasting time trying to hunt and peck.
The best shotgun 101 video I've seen in a while!
Eyes OVER the barrel, both wide open, see the bird, swing it into the bird, as it passes through the bird pull the trigger. By the time your trigger finger pulls, your barrel is in front of the bird, right where you want it. DO not STOP THE GUN!!! Birds straight away must be covered. Buy a good shotgun for trap. I had all kinds, Win 101, Browning, the best by far was a Model 12 made in 1932 with a shorter barrel, solid rib and a cut down stock. It patterned 7 1/2 and 8 so well that you had to make it miss. The shot pattern is as long as it is wide, if you don't put it in front of the bird you'll miss a lot.
EXCELLENT VIDEO-THANKS VERY MUCH!!!!
I have never shot with both eyes open. I have never patterned my shotgun. Having a shotgun that fits correctly is important. Having a gun that is weighted and balanced properly is important. Knowing how to properly mount a gun is important. Using the clay as the sight is important. No matter what shooting ground you go to, the machines are calibrated to throw the clays the same trajectory and at the same speed. Once you learn the routine it becomes quite boring. To improve shooting have a friend use a clay wand and change up the throw with each clay. That way the trajectory and speed are different every time.
Not entirely an accurate comment. In a lot of styles, every target is different, especially in sporting type disciplines and skeet. Not sure what discipline you are shooting.
I wish I could shoot well enough for it to become boring. I experience more frustration than boredom.
Pattering is real important. Did mine and was surprised at the results.
I disagree with the Beomat Wobbler it can still be a good challenge
Skeet or Trap maybe. Utterly wrong on regard to Sporting targets
I am great on upland game I usually shoot 80% or better. I played baseball and football so my quick twitch eye hand is good. But on Ducks and Geese I constantly have to battle between aiming and shooting natural like I do with upland game. I stems from quick reaction on jumping birds and the slow wait on decoying or pass shooting birds. I shoot a rifle very good and quite often, which mixes in shotgun shooting.
Thanks, good lesson
Your explanation of point vs aim is excellent.
Could you do a video comparing ported and non ported chokes for loudness, patterning, recoil, and such? Determine if the ported chokes have advantages over non ported or if they are more of a marketing gimmick.
Than you for the video
I am somewhat new to this kind of shooting, and I agree with what you said. But, my question is, what are you seeing when you pull the trigger? Is the bead/muzzle of the barrel covering the bird or is it leading? At the time you pull the trigger, I'm assuming you are now also aware of the end of the barrel in relation to the bird as part of the overall picture that your eyes are seeing, and not just the bird?
There will always be a lead unless the target is stationary. It may only be a tiny amount on some targets but always a lead. What I see is the target and am just aware of where the gun is pointed. Much like driving a car: you don’t look at the hood of your car to keep it between the lines, you look down the road and your hand-eye coordination does that for you…your aware of where the car is but you’re not looking at it. As long as you know what your target is doing (where it’s going and how fast) your brain will do the math and put the shot where it needs to be as long as you focus on the target. As he said there are other factors in play such as stance and gun fit it will work every time. As your mental catalog of targets you’ve had success with grows the process becomes even easier. …and no I don’t break everything i shoot at but my issues are keeping my head on the stock and stopping the gun…and the targets that I don’t read correctly. Hope that helps some!! Have fun out there!!!
@@MrJohneeutah Thank you for the guidance. Much appreciated!
Just the target
Could you cover shooting trap with an over-under, which barrel and how do you cover the bird?
I always keep both eyes open and look down the side of the barrel. It’s always worked for me.
Went from rifle to trap shooting with 12 gauge and this is one of my biggest issues.
That is very common.
Very hard to break the habit had the same trouble myself
Absolutely awesome,l learn alot from you man thanks for sharing😳😳👍
I have said for a long time that one of the worst things manufacturers ever did was put ventilated ribs on shotguns. I know of so many casual shooters who think the rib is the sighting plain and you "aim" right down it, not focusing on the bird. The best wing shooters I have ever shot with had plain/non vent rib shotguns.
Awsome advise I've been trying it and I get the whole baseball thing but never did anybody tell me to put 4' of lead on the ball that I'm supposed to be focused on so if it was focus on clay alone I'd hit every one just like my home runs
Look at the bird. I see guys with all sorts of gismos attached to there barrels and they still miss. Spot on coment from this guy.
That's exactly what my buddy John Sobalak tought me. He was once a name in the sport.
It looked like you were shooting a Mossberg 940 JM Pro for a second. Which choke tube do you find works for clays in that gun?
Great video!
Once you get the eye hand thing going . Its Practice, Practice and more practice until is all muscle memory. The competitive shooters will put up a 1000 clays a day.
Both eyes open & correct stock position on the shoulder so when you look down the barrel your eye is level with the barrel rib & aim bead.
Love the chooooonnn
Made the mossberg switch huh, me too love my 940
Can you do a review on one of the impala plus semi auto shotguns?
Saw you & your bro at the Buffalo Bill Historical Center in Cody WY!
Definitely would love to see more info on how to pattern your shot gun with chokes or different shot sizes at different yards. Awesome content, keep it coming!
Born and raised outdoors does a lot of pattern testing. Check them out. Also buy a choke you think would be good for your needs after researching and then buy different shells you would practically use and go see what works better at different yardage, 20,30,40etc.
That being said, stock chokes work awesome too. Just try different shell types and see what’s most dense and consistent.
subscribed when i first seen the 3 seconds
What ear protection are you using?
Can you make a video reviewing that Mossberg silver reserve shown in this vid? There’s not many videos on it on TH-cam yet since the new ones came out a year or 2 ago!
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Is that why you can switch targets that fast like in the sx4 trick shot video on your old channel
You should review the grisan MC 312 shotgun maybe the best value semi out there!!!!!.
Mine seems to change irregularly. I shoot both with rifle and pistol, and sometimes have to remind my brain which eye it's supposed to be focusing on. Like I'll be shooting right/right, and my brain will switch to left eye randomly. It screws me up for a moment, and when I realize what's going on I just close the eye I'm not supposed to be using for a second or two, then I'm good to go for a while again with both eyes open. A few years back when I was doing it every day, I didn't have to readjust which eye I was using. But now that I'm just doing it very occasionally, I've had to start doing it again.
What do you think of using Aimpoint red dot for shout gun as a training aid? So it shows how to mount the gun and learn how to track a clay.
I wouldn’t recommend it. To see the red dot, you need to focus on the sight, not the target. We have some upcoming videos about mounting and gun fit. If you have a solid mount and the gun fits you moderately well, not even a front bead is needed. Shooting a shotgun is like pointing your finger l, just point where you are looking. We will also have upcoming videos about lead.
damn linus tech tips went to another level
How about shooting skeet where leads are required?
Great channel! However, (and this is just something I’m interested in) there is not any channels that bridge the gap between clay/ skeet guns, versus home defense shotguns, versus tactical shotguns, versus three gun shotguns. Can somebody please explain the difference, the accessories and why you would need four different shotguns?
Some shoot people, some shoot clays, some shoot animals, the 4th is to look cool
Does the same apply to shotgun deer hunting?
Great Video! What is this Shotguns brand? Franchi Steel?
Mossberg silver reserve
I have an eye dominance issue, I have to "aim" when shooting because I basically go cross eyed if I keep both eyes open.
Yeah. Learn to give the gun it's head. If you shoot enough your brain will make the appropriate connection
I agree with not aiming your shotgun (of course) but pointing your Shotgun…. that makes sense. But I think he should’ve started off initially saying that your Shotgun should fit you correctly and when it’s mounted properly your eyes are automatically looking down the rib of the gun. THEN you point the gun…. To shoot the clay. And you will get to the point where you never even see the beads of your shotgun. It’s a crazy concept for new clay shooters… but you have to trust the process
I wouldn’t say “focus on the sight is aiming, stop aiming a shotgun”
I would say “you should always be target focused. If your focus is in the sight, you’re aiming wrong”
I practice point shooting with my revolver. I figure that if I ever am confronting a baddy and my life is on the line, I'll be so focused on him, I won't see my gun, much less the sights .
That's strange I just made a similar video about catapults 👍
any help for a lefty?
Question is: bid on end of rib or not ... ofcourse when gun stock was fitted ...
If you shooting slug do you always aim and close one eye (deer)? What if your shooting buck shot if target is still close eye? If moving open (deer and coyote)?
Hi
I am new to trap Shooting. But where i shoot i am not allowed shouldering the gun prior to the "pull".
Could you do a tutorial on how to do it correctly .
So i have to say pull, shoulder the gun and shot. As a newcomer i hit but under 50o/o. Besides i sometimes i don't put the gun into my shoulder correctly which ends with a huge blue shoulder
There are several drills you can do at home that are effective in helping you learn to consistently mount the shotgun. Do a search on "3 bullet drill" and "shotgun flashlight drill".
Many thanks, i will take a look at this
What gun are you using
Does your dominant eyes effect the shooting? I’m right handed but my masters eye is on the left can I still hit the bird shooting on my right with both eyes on the bird? I having hard time hitting my bird
Agree 100%. I have learned from a lifetime of shooting that with both eyes open my aim point has to have a right offset. My technique is to get a quick two eye acquisition, then roughly point with right offset, and then finally close my left eye to fine tune and pull the trigger. If I don't close my left eye to fine tune then my misses go up significantly. If I don't start with two eyes open then my shot is slower. Sounds more complicated than it actually is.
@@MrSmithsUnfortunately that’s what I also do. I’m right handed and extremely left eye dominant and for many years have been using your technique. I’ve always wondered if shooting enough clays, with an experienced instructor observing and commenting, that I could get over the hump and properly point with both eyes open. It’d be a big hump to conquer. I’m strictly a bird hunter and rarely have a chance to shoot clays.
Amen, couldn't hit a flying target to save my life , until i read the Anny Oakly dont ride ride ride.. Try it
I've always aimed my shotguns and never had a problem with it and i don't miss my targets either
0:45 what shotgun is this? 940 mossberg?
Firebird link?
What if your left eye dominant and shoot right handed?
Works great for duck
pointing inaccurately will make you miss also..
Bro is telling us to no scope our target 😂 👍
3:31 bc you didn’t give him one 😂
Can you shoot a right hand gun, left handed? If so, pros and cons?
I do. All of my shotguns are right handed. These were originally bought so my right handed son could use my shotguns as needed. It depends if the shotgun manufacturer gives you all casting shims to set up for left handed. That's why I love Beretta because they give you everything to shim your gun properly. Negative is that the chamber opens towards your face. In all the years I have shot a right handed gun left handed, only a few times have I had powder blown in the eyes from firing a shell. I now wear glasses regularly.
Focus on the target… same thing as keep your eye on the ball. What a hot take.
I just see the target follow in front of it and pull the trigger for target to run or fly in front and it normally dies
Wich O&U are You shooting with?
It looks like the Yildiz 20G, I bought one at Academy last year great shotgun for the price.
That’s the Mossberg silver reserve
@@mikegill775 oh, yes You are right, thank´s.
Love the song. So the reasons I'm writing this is because... I'm a duck hunter do I need my gun to be adjusted to my body type. If so how do I find a person who can help me with this? I live near seattle wa?
Get a copy of "stock fitting secrets". I have no affiliation, its a good read. You can do this yourself.
Best practice is to rabbit hunt. There's no time to aim ever.
Ranges at Oakfield, Thomasville Georgia? I know it well. Has your camera man been there?
Yes! He was filming there with me this spring. We shot a whole bunch of reviews there. Jared and Jay are friends of mine.
@@TargetFocusedLife I was a range safety officer there for about eighteen months. Jared is a good man and he’s helped me a lot with shotgunning.
The lag in response time is not a time thing. It is has to die with summation.
As I say the quick and the dinner.
Isn't this even more crucial for those of us who are cross dominant? (I'm right-handed, but left eye dominant.)
Any data on how far bird shot goes off yonder?
Really depends on shot size, what metal the shot is made from (density of shot) and amount of powder. There are some charts you can find online.
@@TargetFocusedLife thanks
Stop "aiming" and just look down the barrel!
Watch what happens? 😂 🎉
What you have here is a definition problem. You fail to define what you believe aiming to be and what it is not.
Ppl are shooting at a moving target so they have to see the target, move the gun and pull the trigger at the right time. This requires certain abilities and skills sight, movement and co-ordination. Just because the skills are different to rifle shooting does not mean aiming is absent. The opposite in fact. Seeing the target, moving the shotgun to the appropriate place etc is all part of aiming. The statement that moving a shotgun barrel is the same as hand-eye co-ordination is medically erroneous. Muscle memory tells you where your hands/arms are - it does not tell you where your barrel is in relation to the target. Your description of focal v peripheral vision was also in error. Its all to do with focal length. Seeing the target, the barrel and the firing point is called aiming. Focusing on the target and pointing the shotgun in the wrong direction aint gonna work.
So many know-it-alls. Here's another one
Mr. Guns and Gear?
🤔 i learned you point a shootgun and you aim a riffel ... thats it
OK Steve as far as the singing goes... Don't give up your day job!!! phahahahaha
Just miss it more in front!!
Well, that was a waste of 5 min. I've been doing this since I was 10, and based on the shots I saw in this video, anybody could nail them (In 1 take, not however many it took!)
You are very fast
Keep the frocking camera still !
Pointing the gun in the wrong direction?
Second
Jesus just get to it