Lavabelly sliver would be really great in race situations or damage match ups like dredge and mono-red. You can combine Lavabelly with Venom for creature control or with Syphon for 2 life/sliver (3 point swing total) to win the race.
@@Atmapalazzo I'm sure that not ALL of the funniest much abrew decks come from "small Japanese tournaments" But there's definitely a reason it's a meme
You actually had the lead in game 2 against dredge if you left back a couple creatures. It was going to take 3 turns anyway to kill them and you left yourself open from conflagrate.
Good fun, Slivers seem surprisingly powerful in Modern right now. I'm pretty sure you can use Sedge Sliver to regenerate through an Oblivion Stone here though 48:23
Yes, but a creature becomes tapped when it regenerates, so that leaves him with no blockers and thus dead on-board to Wurmcoil Engine attack. CoCo and pray is the correct line.
@@stevenyukabacera160 Correct play? At 47:40 he is at 11 life with Sedge Sliver facing a tapped down opponent with Oblivion Stone and Wurmcoil with a fate counter, doesn't look good at all. A good player at that point would stop a second to think about his outs. 2 options come to mind: 1- Play a sliver, block Wurmcoil and regenerate. Hope for land drops so you can regenerate and play Coco after. 2- Go for Coco hoping for 1/4 chance for Harmonic, which would destroy both Wurmcoil and Oblivion. Seth, however, decides to do the garbage play of attacking with both slivers, trading 2 damage for 6 for no reason (when he is already at 11). At that point he has to hit Harmonic anyways with the Coco. This could have been anticipated, so waiting to play Coco until the game was pretty much lost was a bad play.
The issue with Homing is you'll never get to use it. I don't know if i've used it more than once, and I played it for more than a year, every friday. Hivelord is super good though, one of is worth it.
@@necrocreature9117 I wouldn't really know for Modern, but I used Homing in a Hivelord Commander deck. It's super good in Commander, and I realize it's impossible to compare the viability of a card from Commander to Modern, but it still seems good to me, even if you just use it once.
@@weirdproq I don't mean once a game, I mean once, ever. It dies almost immediately (so, drawing removal is good, yeah), but more importantly the deck often dumps it's hand, and putting 6 mana into a card like that is rough. It is insane in commander, and even in Modern if you manage to make it work, you are right there.
Oh no, now people are gonna realize that slivers are secretly good. This list has a couple of questionable picks, but it's VERY close to what I'd put together if I was still on slivers. Much better than what usually comes out of "small Japanese tournaments"
He didn't need to do it. Dregscape doesn't have to be in the grave to give his guys Unearth. Edit: If you can unearth and successfully flicker, you keep the sliver
Frenetic Sliver is weird. I spent a while reading the rulings, and while you can activate the coin flip ability a bunch of times, only one flip will count (at least that's my understanding - it's a weird card).
@@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche5761unearth says when the creature would leave the battlefield exile it, which is a condition frenetic sliver fulfills. When you exile it using that ability, it becomes a new game object and gets to come back. It's the same thing as flickering any other unearth creature.
is there a reason for running so many shocks and fetches looking at the list it seems like it would be better just to run cavern, territory, and sliver hive and running mostly green duals and basics>
Match 5 (vs. Tron), Game 1, Turn 4: You probably should have left one creature back to block and regenerate. You didn't have enough of a clock yet, so you probably just needed to keep your life total high enough to suck up an attack from the Wurmcoil after Oblivion Stone forced you to regenerate as much of your team as possible, rather than losing your board and wasting half your CoCo on a chump block. You hope to draw lands for regeneration and hope your opponent doesn't draw anything too terribly devastating. It's terribly unlikely (and opponent indeed followed up Karn the Great Creator with Karn Liberated), but that's the out that I think I would have played to.
Verdant Catacombs wins the game and that's how Montresor kills with a cask of Amontillado. Next time, don't go to the catacombs at one life, kids. (Edgar Allan Poe)
I think Unsettled Mariner is mostly better than Diffusion Sliver. The Sliver protection is worse, but its also one of our best cards against any sort of combo deck that wants to target our face (like Burn or Storm) and Diffusion Sliver doesn't really help in those matchups.
Merchant of the vale is as close as you will get to it and it’s instant speed that gets you a 2/3 creature with the same ability on turn 3. I’d say it’s a good compromise
@@dysongibson4936 I thought you meant the new tormenting voice Merchant isn't very good because it offers nowhere near the raw filtering looting did, and instant speed doesn't mean much for the decks that used it
It's a lot worse than Looting for fair decks I think. For something like Dredge (or maybe Phoenix) it's probably good, but I don't think it does enough for the fairer Looting decks.
I think that splitting normal and infect damage usually doesn't work out, although it could be a good way to win through lifegain. Maybe it's worth considering for the sideboard.
Yo! I legitimately JUST made a huge video dissecting two of the Modern Slivers builds. Think you guys can help out a small TH-camr somehow? I'd love to work with yall however I can!
Doesn't cast aether vial, doesn't contribute towards CoCo, doesn't help make a dude with sliver hive, or help cast dismember. CoCo seems to be the big one the other reasons aren't so big - I'd try ancient ziggurat if there were no CoCo.
Tron needs to be banned because I'd rather watch you play against more varied decks. Ban dredge too because it's still too good. Ban jund too just because. You know what? Ban every deck.
It's starting to annoy me that you won't change decks at all. Super frustrating listening to you go through an entire league saying the sideboard blows. You knew frenetic was hot garbage going into the league, so change some cards. It will be far more enjoyable to your viewers than listening to you complain about bullshit the whole time. It's called "much abrew," so more brewing and less complaining.
@@MTGGoldfish That would be dope. Your "against the odds" series has shown your deck building skillz have grown considerably. Flex those in all of your videos please.
@34:30 what are you talking about Seth? Dredgescape Sliver doesn't need to die for you to unearch slivers in your graveyard!?!?
Lol. Oops :)
Great matches as usual!
(Btw dregscape sliver works from the battlefield, not the graveyard)
It works from both! Since you pay 2 to unearth it and then you unearth everything else. But yes Seth messed that up
I dont think Seth said that guys name right lol
Props to the deck builder for going all in on flavor with even Sliver Sideboard. Looks to be a fun deck/episode
"Would like to get frisky, but maybe that's too risky" Seth with the hottest bars of 2019
"Slivers don't care, twenty in the air"
"We got off to such a good start, but now it's all falling apart" Seth 31:32
Guys you are awesome 😂
Bruh that slivers don’t care, 20 in the air bar absolutely floored me, son!!! I was bout to wave my hands in the air like I just don’t care 🤣
39:56
What trash hand did the Jund opponent keep game two that they didn't have *anything*??
angryponcho yea Seth did not play against jund. He beat an inquisition and land.
@@hollowhughes198 it's clearly Jund-do-nothing, the premiere Jund list in modern!
@@xx-cj6ew clearly he didn't have enough wren and six
Im gonna guess like 4 blood braid elves or something dumb.
Lavabelly sliver would be really great in race situations or damage match ups like dredge and mono-red. You can combine Lavabelly with Venom for creature control or with Syphon for 2 life/sliver (3 point swing total) to win the race.
just watched intro only... noticed the frenetic sliver 3x and got instant flashbacks to seth's luck with mirror march :)
"Slivers don't care, 20 in the air" LOL God seth killing me with the rhymes.
dolphinfashion
would like to get frisky,
but maybe that’s too risky.
seth needs to avoid small japanese tournament lists so he doesn't have to butcher their names every video
Yeah but then deck quality in much abrew would get worse lmao
@@GoblinWar I'd actually be interested to see the numbers on that.
Lol
@@GoblinWar It would definitely get stale looking at the same 3 decks over and over again
@@Atmapalazzo I'm sure that not ALL of the funniest much abrew decks come from "small Japanese tournaments"
But there's definitely a reason it's a meme
I'd be lying if I said I was only a sliver excited for this. It's much greater than that.
"Turn 4 Tron not Tron-y enough for Sliverville!" Hilarious Seth quote.
🎶🎵Slivers don’t care. 20 in the air.🎵🎶
🔥🔥🔥 Barrrrrrzzzzz🔥🔥🔥
I just helped my friend build I sliver deck the other day, then I see this. Thanks magic gods for smiling upon me this day
Nice!
You actually had the lead in game 2 against dredge if you left back a couple creatures. It was going to take 3 turns anyway to kill them and you left yourself open from conflagrate.
Love and new quote from Seth, "slivers don't care 20 in the air"
I never realized that their are not any slivers that interact with the opponent's graveyard
Mi piace un casinò vedere i vermi giocare portane tanti altri di video con sto mazzo 😍😍😍😍
Good fun, Slivers seem surprisingly powerful in Modern right now. I'm pretty sure you can use Sedge Sliver to regenerate through an Oblivion Stone here though 48:23
I think you forgot some of your slivers had haste at times game 3
Ridiculous misplays this whole video. Just seems like comment bait to me.
Always happy to see more Sliver videos
So I do believe Seth under appreciates Lavabelly vs dredge
Maybe. So lifegain wouldn't hurt, especially with the lack of other good sideboard options.
Congrats on surpassing 200k subs!
Thanks!
I feel like this deck didn't need the first sliver. Super fast clock. Good plays Seth
Yeah. The First Sliver is fun, but probably not necessary (or even good).
@@MTGGoldfish krenko in modern goblins lol
Question: 48:32 after the O-Stone pop, can you regenerate your sliver with the black mana using the Sedge Sliver ability?
Elia Comandù your right he could have because O-stone says destroy not sacrifice or
Yes, but a creature becomes tapped when it regenerates, so that leaves him with no blockers and thus dead on-board to Wurmcoil Engine attack. CoCo and pray is the correct line.
@@stevenyukabacera160
Correct play?
At 47:40 he is at 11 life with Sedge Sliver facing a tapped down opponent with Oblivion Stone and Wurmcoil with a fate counter, doesn't look good at all.
A good player at that point would stop a second to think about his outs. 2 options come to mind:
1- Play a sliver, block Wurmcoil and regenerate. Hope for land drops so you can regenerate and play Coco after.
2- Go for Coco hoping for 1/4 chance for Harmonic, which would destroy both Wurmcoil and Oblivion.
Seth, however, decides to do the garbage play of attacking with both slivers, trading 2 damage for 6 for no reason (when he is already at 11).
At that point he has to hit Harmonic anyways with the Coco. This could have been anticipated, so waiting to play Coco until the game was pretty much lost was a bad play.
I feel that the London Mulligan makes Tron waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more consistent. To the point where you have to ask what can be done to slow it down.
I guess you want to cast CoCo and regenerate with sedge sliver, but I'd assume unclaimed territory still would be best here
This deck gives me a sliver of hope for a great modern format future.
37:42 Seth becoming the first MTG rapper
I kinda thought about MTG raps being a thing potentially for a while xD
I don't get the inclusion of the Mariner over more Diffusion Sliver, it's harder to cast and the opponent pays 1 fewer mana to get around it.
More utility as it reads you and permanents you control vs just sliver
@@travisschultz7293 I can see the utilities there, obviously I forgot to read the card. :-P
I would probably add Homing Sliver for Slivercycling. Tutors any of your slivers anytime. Also, maybe add a copy of Sliver Hivelord to the top end.
The issue with Homing is you'll never get to use it. I don't know if i've used it more than once, and I played it for more than a year, every friday. Hivelord is super good though, one of is worth it.
@@necrocreature9117 I wouldn't really know for Modern, but I used Homing in a Hivelord Commander deck. It's super good in Commander, and I realize it's impossible to compare the viability of a card from Commander to Modern, but it still seems good to me, even if you just use it once.
@@weirdproq I don't mean once a game, I mean once, ever. It dies almost immediately (so, drawing removal is good, yeah), but more importantly the deck often dumps it's hand, and putting 6 mana into a card like that is rough. It is insane in commander, and even in Modern if you manage to make it work, you are right there.
@@weirdproq it's too slow is the problem
" 20 in the air, dont care!!! " 🤣🤣🤣
Pretty sweet.
I see Once upon a time more like a NeoBrand card rather than Tron. A last resort for shaping the perfect hand on turn one.
With urborg down all lands have swamp subtype. You coudve gotten any land with verdant catacombs.
Even with the all sliver sideboard I think there should be more than 2 harmonic slivers.
Worth pointing out that in the last game an aether vial would have helped make a lot of those hands keepable.
Aether Vial fixes everything!
There might be merit to cutting vial against jund. Between being bad top decks in the mid to late game and K command, it looks not great.
I mean Jund is removal heavy but you got half of the removal like Lili’s tic up and wren&six minus only doing 1 damage to a deck full of lords
"congrats to yakazuki"
That 2nd gsme against jund in match one was a questionable keep for the opp
Coolest tribe tbh
Slivers are sweet (and pretty good too!)
That first opponent disgraced the entire Jund community.
Pulling on the ol' heart strings, old school magic lol
Oh no, now people are gonna realize that slivers are secretly good.
This list has a couple of questionable picks, but it's VERY close to what I'd put together if I was still on slivers. Much better than what usually comes out of "small Japanese tournaments"
Seth saying "sad sliver" for 1 hour straight
Slivering into those DM's I see.
Good games. SB needs 4 RiPs.
Leyline of the Void would be better because of the manabase. This deck is all about Swamps.
I like how Seth mispronounced the name in 3 different ways in the same video.
with the frenetic and dregescape it's not a 50% chance as there's nothing stopping you from doing it over and over again
He didn't need to do it. Dregscape doesn't have to be in the grave to give his guys Unearth.
Edit: If you can unearth and successfully flicker, you keep the sliver
@@darkonekosuke2 no, you still lose the sliver
Frenetic Sliver is weird. I spent a while reading the rulings, and while you can activate the coin flip ability a bunch of times, only one flip will count (at least that's my understanding - it's a weird card).
@@MTGGoldfish only the most recent flip counts
@@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche5761unearth says when the creature would leave the battlefield exile it, which is a condition frenetic sliver fulfills. When you exile it using that ability, it becomes a new game object and gets to come back. It's the same thing as flickering any other unearth creature.
So against Tron..... why no Predatory Sliver when you had the mana for it then next turn Syphon Sliver for lifelink to try to stay in the game?
What did you cut for the First Sliver change?
Slivers, the Eli Manning to Jund. 😂
is there a reason for running so many shocks and fetches looking at the list it seems like it would be better just to run cavern, territory, and sliver hive and running mostly green duals and basics>
Sedge Sliver needs swamps to be fully useful
Match 5 (vs. Tron), Game 1, Turn 4: You probably should have left one creature back to block and regenerate. You didn't have enough of a clock yet, so you probably just needed to keep your life total high enough to suck up an attack from the Wurmcoil after Oblivion Stone forced you to regenerate as much of your team as possible, rather than losing your board and wasting half your CoCo on a chump block. You hope to draw lands for regeneration and hope your opponent doesn't draw anything too terribly devastating. It's terribly unlikely (and opponent indeed followed up Karn the Great Creator with Karn Liberated), but that's the out that I think I would have played to.
Hmm, yeah, that might have been a better line.
Opponent: plays Basic land
Seth: WOWWWWWWW
Me: WTF?
why no attack with the sinew at 17:57?
Rather the unlockable Seth, within his paladin armour...
SLIVERS!!
I wonder if galerider is even needed anymore because of cloud.
its good to have some 1 drops in the deck for help with the curve
Where did Unsettled Mariner get that tight pair of Oakley’s?
When they kept 7 on the play and you Mulligan you should have just scooped
Some form of graveyard hate should be present in every sideboard, no?
Edit: I hear you saying the same some time in the video Seth :-)
Yeah, the deck was sweet, but the sideboard was a bit too Sliver heavy. Should have some graveyard and Tron hate.
Who is Yakazuki? 1:00
You should probably remove the vials against Jund. They're just dead cards if you don't draw them in your opener or draw multiples.
Hmm, I'll have to give that a try.
30:40 Opponent could just cast Lili from fetchland lol
Verdant Catacombs wins the game and that's how Montresor kills with a cask of Amontillado. Next time, don't go to the catacombs at one life, kids. (Edgar Allan Poe)
Anyone count how many times Seth said slivers... Lol
finally slivers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It took too long, but they're finally here!!!!
@@MTGGoldfish thx for replying hugefan!!!!!!
18:00 no attack with Sinew Sliver? Dude has haste
Worse, could've cast sedge sliver and attacked with it for 4 and also had probably lethal next turn depending what his opponent has.
Why play Unsettled Mariner when Diffusion Sliver exists?
Like, play more Diffusion Slivers than Mariners is my point.
I think Unsettled Mariner is mostly better than Diffusion Sliver. The Sliver protection is worse, but its also one of our best cards against any sort of combo deck that wants to target our face (like Burn or Storm) and Diffusion Sliver doesn't really help in those matchups.
Eldrazi sliver when?
C'mon Seth. Lets round up Tomer and Richard and start cranking out Top 10 videos. We havent had any in several months.
40:20
Why not blow up the mind stone here? Takes opp off of all is dust?
there is a replacement for looting in ELD
It's definitely not
Merchant of the vale is as close as you will get to it and it’s instant speed that gets you a 2/3 creature with the same ability on turn 3. I’d say it’s a good compromise
@@dysongibson4936 I thought you meant the new tormenting voice
Merchant isn't very good because it offers nowhere near the raw filtering looting did, and instant speed doesn't mean much for the decks that used it
Ok we can agree to disagree it does in fact make that deck viable even if it did nerf it just a bit
It's a lot worse than Looting for fair decks I think. For something like Dredge (or maybe Phoenix) it's probably good, but I don't think it does enough for the fairer Looting decks.
Pulmonic sliver would be great in this
Why not regenerate your slivers when the tron player poped the O-stone?
+1 to this. If he regenerates and then drops the lifelink sliver he actually starts winning the race.
Yeah, that was a big of a !punt.
When was this? Game 1 that would have killed him.
are any slivers not modern legal?
Yes many. Tempest era I think. Muscle sliver of note.
This deck is not easy to beat.. Ive been stomped by it 4 times now since this much abrew came out.
Why is virulent sliver never played in modern?
I think that splitting normal and infect damage usually doesn't work out, although it could be a good way to win through lifegain. Maybe it's worth considering for the sideboard.
what's up with all the rhymes this week?^^
I feel like 20 is to many lands
WAHOO!
Remember when seth killed himself with a fetch
No ;)
Whew!
Yeah-Mah-Zoo-Key You-Skay
Not understanding the exclusion of unclaimed territory and possibly ancient ziggurat
it's so he can reliably cast collected company
Ancient Ziggurat is very bad here, but Unclaimed Territory is really good, I played it over Mutavault, personally.
You have green and red... Why no Wren and Six?
Not Slivery enough.
@@MTGGoldfish It is hard to argue against that.
Yakuzuki eh?
fuck i really wana build this deck
sssshiiip the tuuuurd
Yo! I legitimately JUST made a huge video dissecting two of the Modern Slivers builds.
Think you guys can help out a small TH-camr somehow? I'd love to work with yall however I can!
Too much pokyman
@@dankurach5340 too much?
Weeaboo experts inbound
Why not play ziggurat? Another five color land, we're almost all creatures.
Doesn't cast aether vial, doesn't contribute towards CoCo, doesn't help make a dude with sliver hive, or help cast dismember. CoCo seems to be the big one the other reasons aren't so big - I'd try ancient ziggurat if there were no CoCo.
@@MrRaidereric2 good point, thank you.
Bleh
FIRST
W&6 is SOOOO overrated (in modern)
I think Wrenn and Six is really good (although we did make it look pretty bad with Slivers somehow).
Tron needs to be banned because I'd rather watch you play against more varied decks. Ban dredge too because it's still too good. Ban jund too just because. You know what? Ban every deck.
First jund player cast no spells most of the time you will win when your op is not casting there spells
This is less fun than sliver storm with lava belly and First sliver
It's starting to annoy me that you won't change decks at all. Super frustrating listening to you go through an entire league saying the sideboard blows. You knew frenetic was hot garbage going into the league, so change some cards. It will be far more enjoyable to your viewers than listening to you complain about bullshit the whole time.
It's called "much abrew," so more brewing and less complaining.
Hmm, maybe I should be willing to change things more often.
@@MTGGoldfish That would be dope. Your "against the odds" series has shown your deck building skillz have grown considerably. Flex those in all of your videos please.