Dragon Age Inquisition: Solas vs Iron Bull Chess Match, King's Gambit

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  • @AyalaNaylo
    @AyalaNaylo 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4023

    Solas lets the enemy take his pawns (people), sacrifices his queen (Mythal), while the mage (himself) sits in silence waiting for an opportunity to strike the winning blow. Nice.

    • @Selinaris
      @Selinaris 8 ปีที่แล้ว +123

      That is glorious.

    • @loganthekrogan2182
      @loganthekrogan2182 7 ปีที่แล้ว +429

      His tactics involve sacrificing too many pieces. He can win, but he has little of his kingdom intact. What is the point of victory if your friends are in the ground.

    • @hyliayggdrasil2725
      @hyliayggdrasil2725 7 ปีที่แล้ว +205

      Logan the Krogan he achieves his goal, he doesn't care about sacrifices (or rather he accepts them for his "greater good")

    • @Messiah114
      @Messiah114 7 ปีที่แล้ว +139

      Aha! We are learning strategy's how to beat him in the next game.

    • @TheMeta141
      @TheMeta141 7 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      why do you think he won the war against the evanuris?

  • @joripien
    @joripien 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2581

    This has got to be one of the most clever things I've ever seen in a video game to date. It's both a reference to one of the most popular chess games of all time, and a perfect representation of how both characters think and strategize. Not only that, but it also serves as huge foreshadowing to what Solas' plans might be for DA4.

    • @PoshRaven
      @PoshRaven 8 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Omg *BOOM* mindblowing! O.O

    • @tienlongjack8969
      @tienlongjack8969 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Damnnn

    • @snowtree07
      @snowtree07 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Anyone care to elaborate on the "representation of how both characters think and strategize" bit Alison was on about?

    • @rafigoghimarfirman3480
      @rafigoghimarfirman3480 5 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      @@snowtree07 i only play a couple chess game in my life so correct me if I'm wrong. Iron Bull plays offensively by using his Arishok to take Solas pieces, while Solas on the other hand focuses on getting check mate

    • @glowhoo9226
      @glowhoo9226 5 ปีที่แล้ว +110

      snowtree07 solas sacrificed most of his pawns(the people), his queen(mythal), and used his mage(himself)to strike the winning blow.

  • @GrandSupremeDaddyo
    @GrandSupremeDaddyo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +772

    This is one of the most clever things I've ever seen in a videogame.
    1. It's well written banter in its own right.
    2. It is great characterisation: Bull revels in the fight and measures victory in enemy kills. Solas hides his intent and is focused on the endgame.
    3. It is world-building: Their names for the pieces also reveal differences in their respective cultures.
    4. It is foreshadowing: Solas manipulating event and people like pawns. Sacrificing pieces, including his Queen (Flemeth/Mythal), to secure victory
    5. If you really want to read into it, you could view the Pawn as The Inquisitor: A piece only powerful for being in the right place at the right time to prevent Corypheus (Black's Queen) from stopping the checkmate.

    • @Her_Imperious_Condescension
      @Her_Imperious_Condescension 2 ปีที่แล้ว +73

      Or you could see the Inquisitor as the Queen. A powerful piece Bull wants to protect, and that Solas tosses away to win.

    • @laurawolfsong3607
      @laurawolfsong3607 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@Her_Imperious_Condescension ooo I like that

    • @feccbi
      @feccbi 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      quick pin this before it gets buried in the comments

    • @Dokopi
      @Dokopi 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh i absolutely adore this cmt thread

    • @albusdumbledore7727
      @albusdumbledore7727 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Veil guard could never

  • @JaceValm
    @JaceValm 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1302

    I love how they put the Immortal Game in, and picked one that illustrates how the two characters think. Iron Bull treats the game like a battle, intent on destroying Solas' pieces and occasionally taking note of his material advantage as a general might keep track of numerical advantage. But he fights like a warrior, getting stuck in with his strongest pieces but paying less attention to his force as a whole. But Solas is playing a completely different game where he will sacrifice everything necessary to secure the win. He's thinking like a plotter rather than a general, and is unconcerned about the decimation of his forces because it's allowing his plan to succeed. He's not treating them as an army he'll have to preserve to win his next battle, nor treating his opponents forces as a foe that must be utterly crushed to win. He's got his plan, and his opponents won't know what hit them until it's too late.

    • @NoOne3234
      @NoOne3234 7 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      I feel like Solas as Anderssen (one of the better players of the romantic school) makes a lot of sense. I don't agree with Bull's play style. When not in a battle frenzy, Bull strikes me as a positional player.

    • @gendoruwo6322
      @gendoruwo6322 6 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Funny if you put it like that: Corypheus is more similar to Solas then? Unconcerned with decimation of his pawns, he plots to win in the end.... Except he's crap.

    • @krisantusliang9595
      @krisantusliang9595 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      someone else also mentioned it... "Solas lets the enemy take his pawns (people), sacrifices his queen (Mythal), while the mage (himself) sits in silence waiting for an opportunity to strike the winning blow."

    • @jeanetten.s.8557
      @jeanetten.s.8557 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Think about how Bull cherished his chargers though, and how bitter he would be if you let them die. He feels every sacrifice and does his best to preserve his army for the next fights, it's very on brand of him and I love it

    • @leeroyjenkins4737
      @leeroyjenkins4737 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This kinda reminds me of a support conversation in Fire Emblem
      : Awakening. Two tacticians are playing a game (supposedly chess) and one is playing to win, sacrificing pieces in doing so and the other is conserving his pieces heavily, seeing them as precious. Not quite the aame, but I still like seeing connections between games and the reL qorld, however vague they may be.

  • @WanderingRagabond
    @WanderingRagabond 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1613

    I know they are fictional characters that respectively have a rigidly-obtained eidetic memory and the ability to conjure up mental images like in dreams, but that didn't stop me from feeling MASSIVELY intelectually outclassed when listening to those two in-game...

    • @CosmicChris
      @CosmicChris 9 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      ***** Especially the mental games are completely random.

    • @jakecorbett8552
      @jakecorbett8552 9 ปีที่แล้ว +118

      That's probably because the game in question is a very famous chess game played between two famous and skilled players of the Romantic era. More so white, who was Adolf Anderssen, who at the time was considered the unofficial world champion.

    • @MrPaladin555
      @MrPaladin555 7 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      You're not the only one. I'm glad this video exists, that way I have visual context as to the game's layout.

    • @weedragonauts4729
      @weedragonauts4729 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      when you realize one of Iron Bull's hobbies is getting whacked at, just think about how much more brilliant he would be if he got hit less lol

    • @Shadowpack95
      @Shadowpack95 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      there's another great one in Sherlock Holmes: Game of Shadows between Holmes and Moriarti. Also a wonderful video breaking it down by Lord Ravenscroft

  • @no1bandfan
    @no1bandfan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +142

    I felt them both die a little inside when Sera said "King me!"

    • @kurtuhlig2553
      @kurtuhlig2553 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Proof that Sera plays checkers while others play chess.

  • @vampirelordx1
    @vampirelordx1 8 ปีที่แล้ว +840

    This just shows how intelligent both characters are

    • @yujiruffhanma3095
      @yujiruffhanma3095 8 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Zackly

    • @S117M4sterChief
      @S117M4sterChief 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      vampirelordx1 I never thought a Qunari would've been able to play mental chess...impressive!

    • @fist-of-doom487
      @fist-of-doom487 7 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      Also does a lot of Foreshadowing to Solas because this was his play in the game pretty much. Sacrifice all the essential pieces, get the enemy distracted by what they think is a major threat and when they aren’t looking a simple pawn comes in trips up the enemy and the “Mage” takes the queen.

    • @dreman999
      @dreman999 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Wreav M'dama iron bull is way more intelligent then any of us.

    • @hansalanson3497
      @hansalanson3497 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      @@S117M4sterChief Qunari's isn't exactly known to be dim-witted. They are the same folk who invented explosives more efficient than Dwarven Lyrium bomb and a method to brainwash people without magic. The Qun strives for mastery of one's role; coincidentally, Bull is a spy in foreign lands, an exceptional degree of mental and intellectual proficiency wouldn't be surprising.

  • @toastedtoastontoast
    @toastedtoastontoast 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    this is very interesting banter because it shows that Bull is actually a very smart person. Most people see the “Tank” character as the dumb brute, but I doubt any other character would be able to mentally play chess with an elven god

  • @camiart_casual
    @camiart_casual 9 ปีที่แล้ว +788

    I know that this is an actual game that happened in reality and Solas isn't the author of those moves, but it really tells you a lot about his style of strategizing. He goes all out and isn't afraid to make huge sacrifices to reach his goals. In this game, the winner risked all of their important pieces on the off chance that their opponent wouldn't notice the placement of a SINGLE pawn, and that they could get to the king first. In light of what we know of his plans from Trespasser, this speaks volumes about how far he'll go. Too bad that his plans only ever seem to not backfire horribly in chess.

    • @LilithWolfheart
      @LilithWolfheart 9 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      +Camila Fayad I know, right? Also note how he sacrifices his queen -__-

    • @camiart_casual
      @camiart_casual 9 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      LilithWolfheart oh man, of course he would do that ;A;

    • @colebeaman3734
      @colebeaman3734 9 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      +LilithWolfheart oh fuck

    • @lauranimbus8092
      @lauranimbus8092 9 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      +Camila Fayad (warning to readers: Here be spoilers) Good synopsis. :) I did not see this connection until you described it here. Well done! :) However I will meekly point out that there are an almost equal number of 'pieces' between Iron Bull and Solas. In other words, he did not 'kill' everyone. In fact there is one more pawn of his than Bull on the board and it is a pawn, not a 'queen' nor a king nor even a 'mage' that corners the king. I think this represents something about him as well. :) He cares about the 'ordinary folk' because I think he knows very well what it's like to be them.
      There are many other points and similarities/representations that your comment helps me to see, and I thank you greatly for that, but I will end on a note that perhaps reveals how much of a sucker I am for Solas/underdogs. :p Remember at this time, the Breach is still in full swing, things are looking really grim for everyone, especially Solas because despite "one of the glasses is poisoned" Corypheus still has a huge advantage over the Inquisition. I think this chess match represents more of Solas' awareness of the Qun waiting for the war to weaken Thedas enough for them to take over at this time. He is running out of options and, especially, time to save the Inquisitor (note, whether he likes them or not he still saves them from the Mark). Would we not expect him to make huge sacrifices to ensure that the Redcliffe future doesn't happen? I mean, if I was in Solas' place, I'd cringe to see what the world had become too and want to fix it. To him the world has already become the Redcliffe-future, and something worse is unimaginably horrifying to him. The 'world ending' equating to tearing down the Veil and rendering the Templar/non-magic user vs. Mage/mage-user conflict, and all other current belief based conflicts invalid. ....Sorry for rambling. I do that a lot. Thanks again for such a great comment! :D

    • @lauranimbus8092
      @lauranimbus8092 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +Camila Fayad Ooops, quick note (because I wasn't really paying attention the first time), I've confused Bull's queen with his king. So it was a 'mage' that corned Bull's king after all. My propitiation of Solas' past plebdom still stands though. :)

  • @ffa2dramachick
    @ffa2dramachick 10 ปีที่แล้ว +249

    FYI, you only get ANY of this companion banter if you choose for The Iron Bull to become Tal'vashoth... NOT if he stays Qunari!

    • @theDigited
      @theDigited 10 ปีที่แล้ว +170

      If Bull saves his crew and goes against his system, Solas starts to asknowledge his free will and independence enough to play chess with him. Logical.

    • @bakedpotatoes4898
      @bakedpotatoes4898 10 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      well said girl.

    • @weedragonauts4729
      @weedragonauts4729 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      lol i would imagine considering at the beginning, Solas addresses The Iron Bull as Tal'vashoth

  • @tylertoon2
    @tylertoon2 9 ปีที่แล้ว +250

    This tells so much about Solas that he would sacrifice everything to set up a win for him.

  • @Vesperitis
    @Vesperitis 9 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    Solas' last move has him moving the Mage right on top of the King. It's a genius reference to his own personality.

  • @SonAlexander
    @SonAlexander 8 ปีที่แล้ว +510

    So for those confused about why the pawn is important. it actually has nothing to do with the checkmate. It blocks the queen from taking his knight at mark 3:14. The 2 knights and bishop are what seal the game. The Pawn was only important in that single turn.

    • @luigiff3431
      @luigiff3431 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      It protects the White Queen from the Black Queen, if Bull could've done Queen to F6 he would have stopped the Checkmate

    • @ArcanusEst
      @ArcanusEst 4 ปีที่แล้ว +67

      Solas' gambit had a few moving parts involving a space that Bull's Arishok (Queen) would have threatened without the pawn blocking it. The pawn made sure that Bull's Arishok couldn't come in at 3:13 to kill the Knight and negate the check that forces Bull's king to move where the white Queen (3:20) and then the white Mage (Bishop, 3:33) will ultimately keep him in check mate.
      Note that if Solas had moved his Mage first instead of his Queen, Bull's Ben-Hassrath (Knight) would have taken it at e7 and blocked the queen from pulling off the checkmate when it moved in a turn later. Solas had to sacrifice his Queen to draw the Ben-Hassrath out of position. Again, without the pawn being where it was, Bull could have captured the Queen with his own Arishok, and the Ben-Hassrath wouldn't have had to move.
      Ultimately, that pawn was integral to the entire gambit that resulted in checkmate.

    • @its1374
      @its1374 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      And the pawn is main character in DA:I

    • @its1374
      @its1374 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Justina (queen) died, all according to solas plan.

    • @lewismartin3430
      @lewismartin3430 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      sounds like something that solas would do. use a pawn to let HIM claim victory

  • @mikeshogunlee
    @mikeshogunlee 9 ปีที่แล้ว +308

    Love how the Iron Bull isn't just a brute who can hit things, but he does actually have a brain, he knows tactics, he knows how to read people, and he actually seems like someone who would be in charge of a successful company of mercenary's
    He never stood a chance against the mast mind that is Solas, but still good show
    :)

    • @VeenJen
      @VeenJen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      In his first quest he made it clear that he WAS playing a tal-vashot, so he could live among the orlesians. That is his role - "The Iron Bull". Although he does like to hit things with his horns, to scream and butting, his ACTUAL role in the Qun is a SPY. He is Ben-Hassrat, OF COURSE he know tactis and people, that's what A SPY does, lol. Your comment has no sense. It seems to me you didn't understand his character at all.

    • @xenon8117
      @xenon8117 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@VeenJen Did you just want to say someone was wrong without much cause because they didn’t actually say anything about Bull not being a spy but rather this being a showcase of how he is capable and can think logically and lead. Nobody said that he was solely a mercenary.

  • @SaiScribbles
    @SaiScribbles 10 ปีที่แล้ว +192

    Alright, Weekes, we get it, you're CLEVER AS FUCK.

    • @moonyollie6977
      @moonyollie6977 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Sai WEEEEEKES *shakes fist*

    • @mattmark94
      @mattmark94 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      and now his brain is completely rotten.

    • @Muircetach
      @Muircetach 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And look at him now.

  • @johnathangrishaw3096
    @johnathangrishaw3096 7 ปีที่แล้ว +214

    it's interesting. Solas sends out all his troops and sacrafices for advancement like he does in game, but no one has pointed out Bull follows the Qun. he sends out scouts ((the few pawns= Sten and other Qunari sent in Origins and ben hassrath= Bull)), slowly eases in more advanced troops, gets behind enemy lines, keeps a large fort for his king, and doesnt know how to react when some one doesnt react how he expects.

    • @Wilsontripplets
      @Wilsontripplets 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Bit iron bull has more pieces in reserve and is now more ready to fight a protracted war.

  • @milkteapopcorn1987
    @milkteapopcorn1987 10 ปีที่แล้ว +582

    As my Lavellan is his lover, I felt my heart ache when Solas sacrifices his queen in order to win. Just a chess game, I know, but in dragon age there are hints hidden anywhere.

    • @PsyrenXY
      @PsyrenXY 5 ปีที่แล้ว +160

      If it makes you feel any better, his real queen was probably Mythal and not you :D

    • @aledrone759
      @aledrone759 4 ปีที่แล้ว +275

      I have good and bad news
      Good news: you're not the queen
      Bad news: you are the pawn

    • @ClownDollThatHasContemptForYou
      @ClownDollThatHasContemptForYou 4 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      You weren't even important enough to be a queen,at best you're simply the piece that he calls a mage
      (Side note ,I know all pieces in chess can be important)

    • @Outlaw7263
      @Outlaw7263 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      My Lavellan rouge hooked up with Iron bull, she's a redhead lol.

    • @angelajennings1633
      @angelajennings1633 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@PsyrenXY damn. That's cold.....

  • @bilboswaggins9921
    @bilboswaggins9921 7 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    The Dread Wolf playing the Immortal Game, that's way too perfect

  • @viktormon
    @viktormon 10 ปีที่แล้ว +354

    Got these banters, but I have no way to visualise it in my head. Thank you! x)
    Love that they made sure it was a true game, not just spouting numbers.

    • @jakecorbett8552
      @jakecorbett8552 9 ปีที่แล้ว +98

      This isn't just any old game, it's the Immortal Game of 1851. Google it.

    • @willieoelkers5568
      @willieoelkers5568 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I mapped it out on a chessboard one time when I found the dialogue transcripts on the wiki. Was so cool to see the game play out.

  • @ingonyama70
    @ingonyama70 8 ปีที่แล้ว +288

    That was INCREDIBLE. Watching this game is amazing. That they both kept it in thier heads?
    I'm completely in love. Bull played a good, if aggressive, game, but Solas is just...well, SOLAS.

    • @jasonmiller2379
      @jasonmiller2379 8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      and then there's Sera...

    • @sirsecuritron900
      @sirsecuritron900 8 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Jason Miller uhhhh....King me?

    • @jasonmiller2379
      @jasonmiller2379 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      yep

    • @weedragonauts4729
      @weedragonauts4729 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      even more impressive when you consider the fact that they kept this game going mentally and then bring it up randomly during different segments of their travels

  • @JioVega
    @JioVega 9 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    This was a real chess game? holy crap. I was reading some of the comments, fantastic easter egg.

  • @Myrkin
    @Myrkin ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "What are you doing Solas?"
    When a worthy opponent starts making incomprehensible moves, you should be afraid. Very afraid.

  • @ninninin656
    @ninninin656 10 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    The most amazing thing about this is that not only is it a real game, it also happens to reveal a lot about Solas and the way he ticks. So cool!

    • @HalfTangible
      @HalfTangible 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      And Iron Bull, as well.

  • @Rain-cs3wp
    @Rain-cs3wp ปีที่แล้ว +6

    what makes this even better foreshadowing is that the da4 protagonist is apparently gonna be called “rook”

  • @asson432
    @asson432 9 ปีที่แล้ว +132

    "Hey, you." Begins a random passer-by.
    "Care to remind why BioWare weaves the best writing in the medium of video games?"
    "But of course." I respond.
    "Allow me to do so by a medium of sung chess match."

  • @Skyzzed
    @Skyzzed 10 ปีที่แล้ว +133

    That's the Immortal Chess Game of Anderssen vs Kieseritzky lol

  • @Arionid
    @Arionid 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    after mage takes king, it is only threatened by a single rook, and the DA4 protag will be called Rook

  • @mr_mykal
    @mr_mykal 10 ปีที่แล้ว +233

    How the donk could anyone visual an entire chess board in their head?

    • @sainttan
      @sainttan 10 ปีที่แล้ว +89

      Rare cases, usually those who have chess for brains, people with wide imagination & strategic input. Techinically speaking, a bunch of really smart S.O.Bs. ^_^

    • @ArtPatron25
      @ArtPatron25 10 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      How can anyone walk trough dreams or manipulate magic? as for Bull, i'm going with the Qun giving him a super disciplined mind.

    • @vuibg3656
      @vuibg3656 10 ปีที่แล้ว +76

      Practice? Or blood magic. Probably blood magic.

    • @foxcloak
      @foxcloak 10 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      dominic marino Not to mention he is probably a master tactician. Specifically saying he works well with small groups. like the 16 vs 16 style of a chess game.

    • @taputapu2619
      @taputapu2619 10 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I know, right? Ben-Hassrath, remember?

  • @MohnJcIntyre
    @MohnJcIntyre 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I read recently about this game again and remembered this. One of the big things about this game is that the queen was always the spearhead, and the other pieces used as support. This game turned that notion around in chess.
    The implications of Solas using the "lesser" pieces used to win the game have obvious applications - it's great foreshadowing.
    My favorite part though is the ending. With them calling each other A mage and a Tal-Vashoth respectively, two of the worst things under the Qun, stand as intellectual giants, regardless of who won.

  • @nicholasemjohnson47
    @nicholasemjohnson47 8 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    I get it! The white pawn at e5 prevents the black queen from moving to g7.

  • @Klineyful
    @Klineyful 10 ปีที่แล้ว +679

    Is it me or was this hot to listen to?

    • @GearyDigit
      @GearyDigit 10 ปีที่แล้ว +69

      Damn bull-riding fade nerd.

    • @barking-in-the-dark
      @barking-in-the-dark 10 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      No-no it's not just you.

    • @monjaros
      @monjaros 9 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Klineyful I'm melting

    • @madhouse2594
      @madhouse2594 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      As a straight guy, I agree that this is hot to listen to.

    • @romy5154
      @romy5154 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@madhouse2594 yay everyone can appreciate their big brains

  • @sama2454
    @sama2454 8 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    You know, now that I think about it, this particular scene perhaps serves two purposes. One: obviously we get to know how diabolic Solas can be in terms of achieving his goals.
    Two: He must be playing this game with Iron bull, a Qunari spy, to figure out the mind, strategies, and workings of a Qunari spy/solider. He is playing a game of strategies, an easy way to observe what the other is capable of in terms of strategies, no?

    • @pl0tka123
      @pl0tka123 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It shows he will sacrifice everything in next game. His elven army consisting city elves/some dalish elves/his remaining sentinels.
      Btw Solas` story makes no sense, he doesn't like black/white stories yet he says elven gods- old ones are all bad guys BUT HE is the great saver.... Pfff.. I want to hear how the other gods see this first...
      I want to beat the shit out from him, and kill him Anders style if he is beyond the point of saving.
      Then go and kick the eleven gods asses/subdue them...(1-2 elven god will change sides thats my bet)
      So femLavellan transforming into a real elven leader with next MC as her second in command hue..

  • @TheLadyLiddell
    @TheLadyLiddell 9 ปีที่แล้ว +211

    I lost it with Sera at the end XD

    • @TheOfflineRaider
      @TheOfflineRaider 9 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      +Rikusgirl001 Ah, King me!

    • @Swynce
      @Swynce 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      i'm sera

  • @jeanetten.s.8557
    @jeanetten.s.8557 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I'm not even a chess player but this entire exchange entranced me. I remembered putting Solas and Bull together for must of the game just to hear the end of the game, even though I understood nothing of it

  • @Nina-my5bj
    @Nina-my5bj 7 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    This is the kind of quality nerd content I signed up for

  • @jakecorbett8552
    @jakecorbett8552 10 ปีที่แล้ว +468

    The Immortal Game of 1851? How the hell did THAT end up being referenced in Dragon Age?

    • @Yamifira
      @Yamifira 7 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      because that set of plays has not been replicated competetively and is a piece of gaming history

    • @VRichardsn
      @VRichardsn 6 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      There are several interesting tidbits of real history being refernced in Bioware's games. Like how the Treaty of Farixen is an analogy for the 1922 Washington Naval Conference.

    • @ItsMeStrider
      @ItsMeStrider 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      it's a foreshadowing for what solas does during DAI's plot, sacrificing everything to achieve his goal (especially his queen if you consider the possible romance with an elven female inquisitor)

    • @henrymcbark7337
      @henrymcbark7337 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      ​@@ItsMeStrider I see It as your the pawn since you were at the wrong place at the right time yet you are one of the reasons everything turned out well at the end.

    • @jonahfalcon1970
      @jonahfalcon1970 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It appears in many media, most notably Blade Runner.

  • @Zer0SumGame
    @Zer0SumGame หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This has now become something of retroactive foreshadowing for Veilguard.
    SPOILERS BELOW:
    Solas once again tried sacrificing a Rook as a distraction, and this time it blew up in his face.

    • @scarocci7333
      @scarocci7333 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      So many moments in inquisition and even in origins have a new lecture thanks to Veilguard. For all the faults the dialogs can have, they really made a good story.

  • @haphazardlark1502
    @haphazardlark1502 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I’m so happy someone synched it up with a board for those of us who can’t keep that much straight in our head
    EDIT: oh my god you left in sera’s “king me” I love it

  • @MrJordwalk
    @MrJordwalk 9 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    Considering that Solas used a Mage (Bishop) to deliver check-mate...... I wonder if the final stage of Solas' grand scheme will involve himself or some other Mage assassinating a King, or maybe an Archon?

    • @xxtefnutxx871
      @xxtefnutxx871 9 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      +Cole Jordan A month ago, but still: My mind went KABOOOM.
      Mage Inquisitor.
      What if...
      WHAT THE ACTUAL IF.

    • @1stcaptainraldoron538
      @1stcaptainraldoron538 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +XxTefnutxX See this is why i never preferred mages. I agree w sera in the sense that a well placed arrow can solve all your problems.

    • @TheMonsterWaltz
      @TheMonsterWaltz 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Well, Mark Darrah did post a tweet containing a video of a red book with a tower/rook and a wolf on it. It would be interesting if DA4 had some sort of chess/tactical theme, though it might be a smaller spin-off game too because Bioware has been asking players if they'd be interested in that sort of thing.

    • @spikegilfer1997
      @spikegilfer1997 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      If he tries to assassinate Alistair I'll flay Solas seven ways from sunday.
      If he kills Bhelen I will be somewhat upsety. Yes he's a reforming equal opportunities tyrant, but he still framed a perfectly suitable heir to the throne for his crime.

    • @Kyra-qn3nh
      @Kyra-qn3nh 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      In my game, Alistair is with my mage warden. If Solas tried anything, she would not hesitate to blood magic the shit out of him.

  • @ervus3289
    @ervus3289 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    This happens when you create the game with love and passion

  • @Horrorbuff2
    @Horrorbuff2 10 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    I got the bit after "King Me"

    • @pieniaurinko
      @pieniaurinko 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      ?

    • @GrayWolf1192
      @GrayWolf1192 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      pieniaurinko He only understood the king me part of the video, at the very end.

    • @pieniaurinko
      @pieniaurinko 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      GrayWolf1192
      Ohhh, thanks. Now *I* feel dumb..
      The basic rules for chess aren't that complicated though. The strategic part is more so of course, as seen in this game. ;)

  • @HalfTangible
    @HalfTangible 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Something I like is that they start out using their own terms for both their pieces and their opponent's. But the longer the game goes on, the more they use each others' terms for the pieces.
    You notice it the most in the last few lines. "And now my Ben-hassreth takes your queen"

  • @edwardhardwick2180
    @edwardhardwick2180 8 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    It took me so long to figure out why the pawn at e5 was important. Solas, you sneaky son of a bitch indeed.

    • @kanpai44
      @kanpai44 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      i still don't get it

    • @edwardhardwick2180
      @edwardhardwick2180 8 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      It stops Bull's queen from taking Solas' knight at g7 (3:15) which forces Bull to move his King to d8 which is what traps him in position for the checkmate.

    • @kanpai44
      @kanpai44 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      ah ok, thank you

  • @bakedpotatoes4898
    @bakedpotatoes4898 10 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    Maker, Sera... they're playing chess... not checkers!

  • @ryanbusch2885
    @ryanbusch2885 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In all the confusion Sera got her checker piece to the other end of the board

  • @napalmelderlich
    @napalmelderlich 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    If anyone’s wondering why the pawn at E5 is so important, its keeping Bull’s queen at bay so that Solas’s mage didn’t get shat on when he went in for the kill.

  • @nightfrost1891
    @nightfrost1891 9 ปีที่แล้ว +188

    Now add Cullen and this could be a real party.

    • @saltedbuttercups
      @saltedbuttercups 5 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      @Burnt Potatoes But how could Dorian cheat if its mental chess? Lol

    • @CrazyHermioneGranger
      @CrazyHermioneGranger 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      And Leliana - she plays chess with Cullen if Dorian isn't recruited.

    • @sigh824
      @sigh824 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@saltedbuttercups >implying Dorian is above using the verbal equivalent of distracting ur opponent and then pretending those pieces were always there

    • @GenshinLover283
      @GenshinLover283 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      off topic, but i think Dorian and Zev would get along well

    • @shoyohinata3462
      @shoyohinata3462 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Leliana plays with Cullen if Dorian is in skyhold but you haven't spoken to him yet to recruit him

  • @jimhavoc
    @jimhavoc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm not sure why I was thinking of this, oh, almost ten years after it was released. Thanks much for keeping it alive!

  • @scribejay
    @scribejay 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The damn fact that they both can identify what cultural name refers to which piece just off one move!

  • @reddaxe445
    @reddaxe445 10 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Ok, this is just amazing, one of the best banters in all BW games.

  • @somerandomschmuck2547
    @somerandomschmuck2547 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I like the subtle aspect that Bull actually starts switching to non-Qunari terms for the most part as the game goes on. Especially since this only occurs if he becomes a Tal-Vashoth, shows him leaving behind the Qun, in a small way.

  • @js1031
    @js1031 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    2:50 Right here is when Solas won the game. g1 was bait. By taking the Rook, Bull had no pieces in a position to get his King out of trouble, while only having one space to retreat to after the Knight took g7. Yes I know this is the Immortal Game, still, it's fun to see it somewhere I NEVER expected it to appear in.

  • @AngryNerdBird
    @AngryNerdBird 10 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Wow. This is really cool.

  • @sofer2230
    @sofer2230 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Took me a while to understand the brilliance of Pe5. It blocks the black queen from protecting the pawn at g7, forcing the knight to take the white queen at f6 and leave the black king unguarded.

  • @ns6438
    @ns6438 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you so much for doing this. This conversation is probably my favorite banter between characters in the entire game.

  • @glowhoo9226
    @glowhoo9226 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just realized that this is a remake of the “immortal game” chess match between Adolf Anderssen and Lionel Kieseritzky.

  • @jeremygeller9145
    @jeremygeller9145 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Everyone’s talking about how devious solas is, and that’s certainly true but remember this interaction only occurs if Bull rejects the qun, furthermore at the end solas implies this whole exercise was to show bull that just because he lost the qun doesn’t mean he will lose his mind. Solas will sacrifice everything for victory, but he also cares about those around him who he deems worthy….something to consider

  • @binah7744
    @binah7744 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Randomly remembered this dialogue and that in one of my runs, the last bit triggered while we were limping back to camp after a dragon fight lmao

  • @Veilfire07
    @Veilfire07 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    As we lay in wait, the dawn is near.... We will save our friend from himself, if we can ^_^

  • @Purpletenten07
    @Purpletenten07 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "You.. sneaky son of a bitch!!!!" Best line

  • @Spiketrooper
    @Spiketrooper 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Its nice to see the game played out in physical form, I never quite understood it with them just speaking it but it makes a lot more sense now

  • @Ack33
    @Ack33 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This visual representation of the match just made me love this game even more. I keep finding and peeling back more and more intricate details. Such an incredible game. Thanks for doing this Huevos

  • @MaskofPoesy
    @MaskofPoesy 10 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    Makes me feel like an idiot. ^^

    • @luizmarinho6138
      @luizmarinho6138 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Both of us are savage Tal-Vashoth.

  • @thatweirdgirl8466
    @thatweirdgirl8466 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Is nobody going to mention the irony that the MAGE won the match? The chess piece the mage. You can’t tell me Solas didn’t do that on purpose.

  • @doubledamn2599
    @doubledamn2599 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'm surprised this actually played out on a standard chess board. Every board we see in game is some weird squashed hexagon shape.

  • @thatweirdgirl8466
    @thatweirdgirl8466 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Anyone else really like how Solas says “H”? I don’t know why but I just think it’s very attractive for some reason.

  • @Emilytea
    @Emilytea 8 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Gah, chess is beyond me.

  • @harithomas1911
    @harithomas1911 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Loved this as an avid chess player. You often forget outside of the Cutscenes how clever bull is

  • @ghostiereader4698
    @ghostiereader4698 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I found this while trying to find a replica chess board like the one you play on with Cullen, I was happily surprised. XD

  • @cocogoat1111
    @cocogoat1111 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is so amazing. Also says a lot about their characters. Like Solas sacrificed his important pieces to win.

  • @danielbell9793
    @danielbell9793 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I got this to play in with Solas, iron bull and Cassandra in Exalted Plains. They don't do it all at the same time maybe 5-10 minutes in between parts while wondering around. and yes I did have bull save the chargers.

  • @Tcab96
    @Tcab96 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I lose it at, "You're shitting me." It's such a perfect delivery.

  • @Sun_Sprite
    @Sun_Sprite หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Here again after getting nothing like this level of banter in veilguard

    • @Allaiya.
      @Allaiya. หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Solas basically does this is Veilguard. There’s a reason Rook is called that.

  • @mr.trashcan1707
    @mr.trashcan1707 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    didn't know I'd be having emotions about a chess game, but thanks to DA I guess

  • @raisingchanges
    @raisingchanges 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This lightens things up for me after what happened in D.A.I
    Nice move Solas

  • @DjDannyD88
    @DjDannyD88 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I never get bored watching this.

  • @THE_RE_VOLT
    @THE_RE_VOLT หลายเดือนก่อน

    Watching this again while playing DA:VG, this makes perfect sense

  • @iamconfusion3269
    @iamconfusion3269 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Now that I can see this holy shit I UNDERSTAND NOW

  • @deandouglasll6438
    @deandouglasll6438 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank u for pulling that game to visual, wondered how it played out!

  • @christineherrmann205
    @christineherrmann205 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was one of my favorite parts of DAI.

  • @evoke2976
    @evoke2976 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for posting this! This line of dialogue was completed in a week for me.

  • @luseylottay
    @luseylottay 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is so much better visualized oh my gosh
    the moment I SAW the pawn moving up there I started shouting at the screen.

    • @ZoLeuB
      @ZoLeuB 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I know the basic rules of chess but why was that pawn move so crucial? I've been trying to figure what impact it had on the black moves but still can't understand?

    • @ZoLeuB
      @ZoLeuB 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nevermind,figured it out.

  • @saintpoli6800
    @saintpoli6800 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What’s more impressive is that they’re capable of remembering where every piece is... That’s 32 pieces.
    (Yes I’m fully aware it’s a game...)

  • @tiredtm634
    @tiredtm634 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've never been more invested in a game than this

  • @thefiresworddragon927
    @thefiresworddragon927 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Got my whole army bearing down on your king."
    Ah yes, your Queen and Bishop, two of your seven main pieces, totally an "army".

  • @maryblack9691
    @maryblack9691 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That is so foreshadowing to Solas' Plot but I really love their strategies.
    Even tho Solas' one is based on much sacrifices but there's much improvement space. So I guess based on his character, we do can convince him to change things
    I hope Dragon Age 4 will give us the possibility to change his mind without killing him

  • @Cratacus
    @Cratacus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I really liked this, it was hard to keep track of in the game while fighting literally everything

  • @TheGlitcher7
    @TheGlitcher7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Damn explains why Qunari spies tripped up on Solas spies.

  • @TheSourpatch01
    @TheSourpatch01 9 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Solas, you do me proud XD

  • @xell6834
    @xell6834 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm quite curious what would happen if Solas tried it with Vivienne because she was trying to figure out just who he is exactly with little knowledge beforehand, plus she is competent at the Orlaisian Game as well.

  • @themastema1189
    @themastema1189 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As a chess afficionado, when i saw the move i was like OH NO! great match tbh!

  • @jeremygeller9145
    @jeremygeller9145 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So apparently in the veilguard game Solas is only an antagonist for like 10 minutes at the beginning before getting trapped and becoming your…mentor/guide. What’s interesting is that your character is named Rook, and in this instance we see solas sacrifice his rooks to win.

  • @alpharn99
    @alpharn99 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Fascinating cultural comparison, this.

  • @siobhanhenry9094
    @siobhanhenry9094 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Loosing his towers as bull calls them is also pretty symbolic since solas is the tower card in the da tarot because it means the breaking down of a facade to reveal the harsh truth.

  • @AncientAnt3y
    @AncientAnt3y 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What if this is foreshadowing Solas's moves for the next DA game? Since he is going to be the villain

  • @anom7227
    @anom7227 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What blows my mind they KNOW because how the pieces move on the board, they can figure out what what the designation are.

  • @kerickwarren4942
    @kerickwarren4942 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I literally know nothing about chess but was able to follow this

  • @MatrixMiles17
    @MatrixMiles17 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    1:42 Bull should've done the "En-Passant" attack. That's basically where if the Pawn makes it's first move a double square and lands side by side on an enemy Pawn the enemy Pawn has that 1 and only move to take that Pawn before they're out of reach of each other. It'd result in Bull losing his Knight and Pawn with Solas losing 2 Pawns and his Knight. There are 2 scenarios for that to happen however, 1 scenario gives Bull an opening to Solas's Bishop but he'd be further from the King and the Knight would survive. Looking at it again though and yet not having a board I'm impressed because if Bull did do the En-Passant then Solas's Bishop at C1 would kill his Queen at G5.

    • @rejvaik00
      @rejvaik00 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      "En-passant" is one of those weird rules in historical chess games because it's difficult to tell when it is in effect for the duration of the game or not
      This game is a reference to the Immortal Game of 1851, and despite the rule having being originated somewhere between 1200-1600 En-passant was not yet widespread until the 1880s and I do believe that this game was played without the rule
      Even today some tournaments still don't use it
      When it is used there's a few conditions of which _all_ must be met before it can be executed:
      *1) the capturing pawn must be on its fifth rank*
      *2) the captured pawn must be on an adjacent file and must have just moved two squares in a single move*
      *3) the capture can only be made on the move immediately after the enemy pawn makes the double-step move; otherwise, the right to capture it En-passant is lost.*

  • @TheGeoCheese
    @TheGeoCheese 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was (and still is) very entertaining to watch and listen to.

  • @danielsandor1874
    @danielsandor1874 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Iron Bull before losing: I have the highground, Fadewalker!