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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ย. 2022
- When you put an actual Leopard 2 commander in War Thunder, this is what happens! Trying out the German premium MBT Leopard 2 (PzBtl 123) in War Thunder and figuring out how realistic is really is!
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"what hell does hit me?!"
The most sayed line in the war Thunder player community ever
Besides " I FUCKING HATE THIS GAME"
Naa "fucking CAS" is the othe big one.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 absolutely
Mine are when getting hit "Of course the gunner and breach. What else." and when hitting an enemy tank "Of course everything BUT gunner and breach." usually said before I die.
For me it's "fucking idiots" as I realise 2 seconds too late there's a 234/2 where my teammates were supposed to be
I love how people say “why are you bad if you have IRL experience…. Like bro it’s a virtual tank
Haha yeah it happens. I just embrace that I'm not very good at games usually but it's fun all the same :)
@@PanzerPaw Some people are just funny like that 😂 such a great vid tho… good job
@@kipanz6649 Thank you!
@@PanzerPaw I’m not great at this game but I enjoy it most of these players have never even really seen a leopard in person though there are a lot of military players on here
Idk. I can imagine him playing Squad giving orders like other veterans playing that game (it's fun finding those guys leading)
"what the hell are you doing here BT-5?"
BT-5: "lend lease."
"Boss, you killed a child!"
'course, my usual response is "The kid looked at me funny."
@@jenesus6220 tbh though the modern MBTs would probably the ones looking like children (age-wise), it's just these kids were more educated
Guy seriously considered letting himself burn as a disguise just to get one more kill even at the cost of his life. Absolutely mad man.
I love this! The ridiculousness of 'realistic tank battle' in a game with an actual tank commander is just to wholesome to watch!
I'm glad you enjoyed it :D
@@PanzerPaw if u want to train to SCREAM WARNINGS every single game, WT is the perfect game
Idk if you didn't used on purpose but the rangefinder is a very important tool for top tier, you need to place shots very carefully to kill in the first shot using apfsds
It was on purpose. I was testing the ballistics simulation. The real life DM33 Sabot has a flat trajectory out to 1000m roughly. The DM23 in the game isn't too far off from that either. So for any targets closer than that, it should more or less hit where you aim. But that's something War Thunder might not have gotten right.
@@PanzerPaw yeah, i got it. I liked the gameplay you did, comments about you experience and comparations of the thunder model and real life are a very nice thing to talk about, keep doing that
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
"Very important tool for top-tier" that is if you can't range it by hand.
I can range all of my top-tier shots by hand without missing, so rangefinder isn't really useful to me.
@@vaultboye yes you can but you can't be fast as someone using. So doesn't matter if you will be the second to shoot.
"actual tank commander" Pump 2 shot in to a House Pole
I know right?
All memes aside, reality has been a clown show. Judgement is really weird after your daily dose of Z. **runs over obvious mines** **speeds past Ukr operator and slams a tree**
**forgets to put on parking brake, property damage ensues** **special sinking operation** **shoots almost full Humvee, kills no one but a door** **BTR wars** **warthog run** **gunner allowing self to be sniper trolled by some wise ass in a trench across a field** **Armata EXISTS**
**UPDATE**
_ANAL BEADS ARTILLERY_
💀fucking dead💀
I mean .... he a commander... he aint no gunner
@@PanzerPaw you know, im writing a story about the Leopard 2A7 TVM Prototype being teleported back to 1943 WWII Germany, and fighting with the Russians and Americans. to hear that your a legit Leopard 2A4 Tank Commander makes me happy as a im a massive fan of the Leopard II MBT.
Drones: “you can’t see em… you can’t hear em… and you just die… just like real life”
Yup that checks out.
I like how in the first shot he specifically aims for the famous soviet bomb (ammo storage).
He wanted to Assist with the New Space program
I fully understand what this guy went through with War Thunder. I was a crew member on M-60A3, M-1 , and M-1A1 series MBTs. It does not translate very well into the game. The simulators used by the military are more functional and realistic. I was trained to hunt in 3X(magnification) and kill in 10X (magnification) using thermals. Also, with him not using the LRF to determine range is very understandable with the flat trajectory of the APFSDS round. We trained for that also at longer distances.
Gaijin:our game is realistic
The Leopard 2's in game used to have the historical smoke launcher salvo size you described, 4 grenades per shot but recently the majority of smoke grenades on tanks were changed to launch 2 at a time instead
Let's complain at the forums, they might change it.
@@camaradacomissario9641let’s leak classified 2A4 docs while we’re at it!!
Watching someone new to a game that you've been playing for years is such a fun experience, wish I could experience it all over again
To ansser the question why he "sucks" despite having irl experience:
Warthunder is a completely different environment to irl. Tanks are operated differently. Everything is faster, the maps are very tight and combat very short range. Try a decent sim like SB or GHPC or Ground forced for IL2 and you see the difference. How a heavy MG can ruin your massive tank by shooting out your optics, how HE shells can absolutely wrech your tank by blowing up either your tank as a whole or, everythibg that makes you combat effective. Fun fact, for the US in the second gulf war, the biggest threat to the armoured formationd was the Shilka. Not the T-72s.
I appreciate the support :D But also to add on to your points. I think the biggest difference by far between games and IRL is self-preservation. People in games (generally) will do complete irrational and unexpected things because it's a game, after all, and there's little to no consequences. And that's something you can't really train for either.
@@PanzerPaw oh for sure. I mean, it's like playing poker with no money involved. I still think that warthunder provides environments not really suited for tanks. It's like tanks are infantry here if that makes sense. I dislike warthunder due to their predatory monetization mainly though ^^
@@Heldermaior That makes sense and it also makes me wish War Thunder would add infantry. It would give the MGs more use and IFVs and APCs even more versatility.
@@PanzerPaw Enlisted is sort of like war thunder with infantry, but it is only WWII right now... I think it would be cool if you checked it out
@@theocelotninja1028 Yes I know. I've done a couple of videos on it already :)
The Gigatanker moment: help your teammate with repair and covering him while doing so.
I like how his first response was "What the hell hit me!?"
I find that like a natural instinct of a real tank crew cause like when you get hit unlike games you do not know what hit you or where did it come from as the enemy unlike in game enemies don't go charging out
This is actually really cool to see someone with real life experience play and talk about this game. I’ll be subscribing and following along
Tank reddit: wHY IS tHeRE AMmuNITiOn iN THe HulL
This guy: I'm on fire, but that's ok, I have hull ammo storage.
Hahaha
The BMP-2 is the most overpowered vehicle in the game. It was uptiered, but was given APFSDS. And it has a ton of missiles that is can fire within seconds of each other. So, yeah, "BaLaNcEd"
And about that BT-5. People like to play with low tier vehicles at top tier for fun, favorites are the BT-5, the Ho-Ro, the 15cm sig 33 b sfl, the L3/33C, and the M22 Locust.
Also, repair the tank. It gives you the press F to repair vehicle prompt, so repair it.
Three pieces of advice: make use of your laser rangefinder, absolute game changer when you realize how powerful it can be. There is an option in the settings to put the scope from the gun instead of the gunners sight position, meaning your shots will be much more accurate. And make more use of thermals, the leo gets pretty decent thermals for it's battle rating. Overall, keep up the good work and have fun
i love how he is like the only person ever to not complain about the teribble balancing options gaijin has made
I’d love to see a whole game full of actual tank crewmen using actual tank doctrine.
I'm legitimately trying to set something up like this. But it's hard to get my group together. Hopefully soon tho!
@@PanzerPaw Glad to hear it. What BR will you be subjecting them to?
Man returns home after fleeing the oncoming battle to a pristine apartment building... goes to check on the cars in the parking lot which had miraculously avoided the mechanized onslaught.. goes to his car, his station wagon... and weeps over the cruel twist of fate before him. 2:28
The blue on blue issue is even worse if you're playing simulator ground battles and almost everyone is a Sherman variant
I love the meme where it’s like aw shit it’s a Sherman,
Now I gotta figure out if it’s Soviet, German, Israeli, British…😂
Especially since most sim battles at lower BR are really just “oh we’ve both seen each other… do we risk waiting for team mate confirmation via RF or just hope it isn’t blue on blue.” Still a sim enjoyer every chance o get though, even if I die to blue more than anything.
first video i see from this guy, and i like how he weaves in real tank knowledge and situational reactions if it was a real fight, good stuff,
Are you allowed to share the strategies you did as a tank commander and show what you’d do in different scenarios when trying to encounter enemies while playing the game? I know war thunder is just a game lol but I think it would be super cool to listen to your thought process from start to finish on what an actual tank commander would do and how you’d go about it with the training you’ve done. If this is something you could share and do, I’d be happy to invite you as a guest star on my channel and give you a shout out to your channel but let me know:)
Hey, yeah there's definitely a few things I can share. If you drop me a message on discord we can definitely talk about it :)
From what I gathered about tank combat their usually step type rules.
Don't get spotted, if spotted, keep moving, can't & getting hit? Angle your armour towards the threat & so on.
Sitting still for too long in a tank is asking for trouble, real life & video games. Worse is retreating with your butt showing where armour on alot of tanks is thinnest, you don't want to expose that. Ever. You just never know if someone is waiting patiencely to line up that shot.
Examples like that are in Ukrainian-Russian war now, Russians having no idea how to operate their own assets well that I seen video gamers play better.
man i miss you being a WOT YTer :(
Great videos man just found your channel already subbed keep it up!
Thanks! Hope you're enjoying the videos :)
@@PanzerPaw is the leopard really that slow in terms of turret rotation and overall mobility in real life, because i`ve seen leopards in yt videos manouvering much faster than those in game?
ok dude, so i got the details on insurance for a tank. and google has told me
"Oil tank insurance can cost $750 for a minimum premium, with different limit options nearing $5 million, and term policies available from one year to three years. Heating oil tank insurance, for instance, costs roughly $67 per year. The costs of a new tank, on average, is $2,500."
$2500 for a new tank??? Sign me up!
@@PanzerPaw i know right? Getting me a nice T-34 or leopard seems nice 😂
“Death to station wagons” 😂
I love such videos where a actual tank crew who operated the tank plays it in game.
Sadly thats just the Premium Leopard and there are the other variants that sure are better then the downgraded premium you can buy your way up.
u should turn off the sight of tank gunner in options so u can get the sight on the end of the barrel so its easier to aim
Yeah I did that after this video. I just had that set so I could see if the gunner perspective was correct to the real tank.
@@PanzerPaw ah that makes sense
Shut up that's only for losers
If Gaijin sees this video and removes the camo net over the PzBtl gun barrel I'll never forgive you
"Fire is the best camouflage."
-PanzerPaw 2022
i love this guys gameplay, its kinda cute to watch but i respect you for your irl experience, love the content
Really enjoy your content would love to see more WT and maybe some Steel Beasts!
1:24 insert meme of the dogo drinking coffee inside a burning house
I legitimately was thinking of that exact meme at the time hahaha
BT-5 is viable in all tiers. My super Pershing got ammo racked by a BT at point blank but sadly for him I took a full ammo rack like an idiot and he was killed by the ammo explosion
its nice hearing another TC say about the smoke the illum.. but for me i was a Bradley and OSV commander (OPFOR at FT. Irwin Etrp 2/11ACR)
Woah your not going to leak classified documents just to win an online argument on the forums either right?
Funnily enough, the first time this happened we were also sharing the joke around among the commanders' chat groups. It was a funny time :)
who the hell had the bright idea to go in top tier in a bt-5 XD
My grandpa was a driving instructor/driver for leopard 1 and 2. But I sadly can’t ask him about details because dementia n shit.
I'm sorry to hear that. I'm sure he would have some great stories
3:14 Don't worry we have magical name tags above and if you accidentally shoot your friendlies as long as you're not in Ground Sim they won't be damaged as they got plot armor installed.
For some reason I'm not that impressed with the idea that people under 20 years old are commanding tanks in the US, but the idea that someone super young is COMMANDING Leopards is impressive somehow.
Do you have a vid telling about your experiences and being a tank commander? Would be awesome to watch.
I don't, unfortunately. It's not something I thought people would be too interested in to do a whole video on.
@@PanzerPaw you'd be surprised homie!
@@PanzerPaw i am definitely interested
@@PanzerPaw id be intrested
@@PanzerPaw I'm also interested
3:04 you hit the buildings because you have your sight set to the side of the cannon. Try in settings to set it so your camera is at the end of your barrel so you have true aim shots. your shots are going to be offset to the left a little bit because of this as im sure you know already
Just because you're a Commander doesn't mean you're a Gunner, Driver, Loader. too. It's named a 'tank crew' for a reason.
"Tanks are supposed to avoid urban areas"
Russian Army has entered the chat
Us army and marines also enters the chat. They sent tanks into urban area all the time to support ground troops.
How dare you sir, that was a Grand Caravan, NOT a station wagon!
IT KNEW WHAT IT DID D:
New subscriber here! I loved the vid! I found your channel in my first line of recommendations whilst opening youtube, lol.
I don't think your car insurance covers being destroyed by a tank. Love the video! Nice to see someone having fun
Edit: I forgot a word *sigh*
if you want more survivability, only take 16 rounds, so that all your rounds are in your ready rack
Yeah I do that now. I used to take 22 rounds just to have a bit more ammo to shoot. But even the 5 or so rounds in the hull rack proved to be a liability.
@@PanzerPaw most people still take 20 because as you said you do run out of ammo every now and then if you only take 16. 20 seems to balance out the risk/reward, you use 4 of the hull rounds fast enough for that rack to be empty after the first engagement or 2
You should try Foxhole, it's more team focused. When you get in to a tank you can be one of (usually not always, can get more) 3 crewman, either a Gunner, Driver or a Commander and they need to work together to be efficient and have infantry support.
Not sure if you knew about this feature, but you can press z to enter a view from the commander's hatch. This is useful for when there are things like buildings or bushes are blocking your view
I love the vibes you give.
Really good video, and to be honest i wondered how realistic warthunder is, so i have answear for my question now
Fellow Leopard 2 commander here
This was relatable as fuck and I've been playing this game since 2013
at the beginning I kept thinking: "6...6....6....6....6....Hit the damn 6 and extinguish your Fire!!!!!" It was fun watching!
Hey, just wanted to let you know that you can toggle night vision mode on modern tanks.
Press Esc, click controls and go to ground vehicles, Then search "Night vision mode" on the searchbar. You can then set it to a control and can toggle it in battle. It gives a great advantage when spotting tanks, and can save your life.
Yeah I have that mapped. I just don't use it as often on the night maps because the flares can wash out the whole picture, making it harder to see enemies.
id love to hear you talking more about your experiences as a tank commander
i used to be a gunner in a 2a5 in the german army. was a nice time. can´t wait to get one ingame
This was incredibly cute to watch dude. Earned a new sub. :)
I find it hilarious that when being engaged by missiles from range he doesn’t bother changing to thermal optics to get grasp on where it came from, the launcher will stick out from the bushes even with gen 1s
1:23 *Oh, really? ("Smirks")*
‘As we learned, fire is best camouflage!’
Let me test that, I’ll light my house on fire and see if that camouflages it and stops people from trying to loot it.
I've seen people use the corpse camo method, where you lore your enemies, with the corpse of past gameplay vehicles and kill them or use burning wrecks as camo,
As is tradition for Tank commanders playing War Thunder. You must now leak classified documents relating to the tank you command Irl.
Hi!
i think you would love Warthunders simulator mode more than RB!
since i see you're using the alternative gunsight
I thought about trying that actually. But I thought Sim battles didn't really have anyone playing?
@@PanzerPaw only limited tanks can participate in sb (depends on time), and yes not many people play it so queue time sucks
@@PanzerPaw it depends, the high tier ones (mostly MBTs) have a pretty fast queue times. But they are not always available mid and top tier ones are cycled in availability in sim battle selector
In general in a modern sense you should never bring tanks into urban combat. *INTENSE BATTLE OF GROZNY FLASH BACKS*
Very fun video and also you're not bad by any means!
5:44 boss you killed a child. Mission Successful.
Tank commander : i'm on fire
Also tank commander : i'm ok
i feel bad for the people who say why you suck at this game maybe is it because real battle can't respawn?
1:10 “flaming wreck camo” actually seems pretty effective
moment when you can identify a tank faster than actual tanker.
hello , great vid ! just so you know you can use a range finder and thermal optics, you just need to bind them
2:25 *Lol! Poor Station Wagons! He really hates those!*
i recommend changing one of your settings if someone hasnt already recommended it. Which is a ground vehicle option. "Use gunner sight", uncheck that, and then in Realistic battle's, the ones you did in here, the scope is accurate, instead of having to keep into account a 800m convergence distance
1:39
THANK YOU !!!! SO MUCH !!!!
The Russians are practicing using the BT 5 in preparation for their deployment to Ukraine.
“if you’re a real tank commander then why do you suck at this game” maybe because it’s a game and in no way similar to an actual tank
The 2 smokes per shot was implemented last patch i think for some reason, i guess to make it more useful
alot of why you were having a hard time is because you are using a setting which fires from the gunner perspective, but the game is optimised for using the "gun barrel camera" for Realistic Battles, thats why SIM style sights are better when using the gunner sight perspective you used :)
"Death to Station Wagons.." ha ha ha
Just found your channel, really like the videos! Got a subscription from me! :)
Welcome! Glad you like them! :D
bro i love this video.btw are you training in Singapore or australia.cuz im fro singapore
Why your aim is different? Btw, great video! I think that the main purporse was achieved, having fun! Some players get too stressed, but I find WT community very healthy.
I love his nice attitude and funniness even though he is a tank commander
I want to see a real tank crew play simulator where each person controls each part of the tank they control idk how it would work but it would be cool I think
its called steel beasts.
Use your Bino's more often, you are the commander after all :3
Can confirm: Tank insurance isn't a thing
I don't think people realize that the difference about warthunder and real life is that you don't have a 3rd person drone view and your sense are limited due to actually being inside a rumbling tank. Also you probably are scared of dying too. Not to mention that your not in a air-conditioned room on a nice chair
Yeah it's something I mention in a video on Thunder with Muffin's channel. Self preservation is a big reason people don't do a lot of the stuff they do in games. Hence why you can't really be prepared for it just with IRL experience lol
1:35 "Fire is best camouflage" .
The bmp 2m is so broken, 4 fire on the go missiles with up to 1200mm of pen
"Actual Tank Commander" So, what classified military document will you leak just to win an argument on the forum? We got M1 Abrams, Challanger, Lecrec, Tiger helicopter and Chinese new APFSDS shell leaks.
do you play arma and what do you think of its tanks and multi crew gameplay and interiors?
would you play and command a tank in the global mobilization (BRD vs DDR) creator dlc? it probably doesn't have many players, but maybe the team that made the mod would go in with you for a video
"Actual tank commander" yeah we are just gonna believe that.
you can literally see he IS one
That was awesome.Please try sim battles next time
Happy you liked this in your opinion is the leopard more effective in real life
For some reason i wanted to see 4 people controlling a single tank and they’re yelling at each other
you ask a interesting question: "what is the insurance rate on a tank?"
-so I dont know about insurance on decommissioned tanks in civilan ownership, which where you are likely to get the most accurate approximation.
BUT! I DO know about the manufacturers warranty on tanks. ....in legalese its something along the lines of "for any such object that might endure catastrophic failure or destruction through intended use case forfeits any warranty" in other words: No.
I image any insurance company would reply in a similar fashion to any military that tries to ensure its tanks.
Bt-5: Wait im in different era what am i doing here?
When you were going backwards its probably packet loss, the games has been being ddos attacked for like a month
Yeah I found out after this video was made. That was the first time it happened while I was recording