Our Permit was DENIED... Crushed
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This week our dream was CRUSHED by our building permit getting denied to build our dream pole barn workshop. We planned for this shop for over a year and it was finally time to pull the trigger and get official with the paperwork so we could break ground the same week. Now we have to opt for Plan B, but we always have to remember that everything happens for a reason and to keep going!
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Try for the variance - short term it is an inconvenience, but long term you will be looking at the shop where you want it for years and years.
Don’t make the mistake of using a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
Take the time to go for the variance and put the building where you want it.
To use both the metric and imperial measurement, there is a butt-ton of other nesting and pre-baby projects that you can focus on so there are plenty of ways you can put the extra time to good use (and pump out quality content along the way).
When you plan to raise a family in a place and make a home over time that’s measured in years & decades, then a 6 week delay is hardly noticeable… unless of course you build the shop in a place that reminds you every time you use it that you didn’t want it there in the first place. That kind of reminder is permanent.
I don't remember much about my grandfather except that he used to always say "You win some, you lose some. The important thing is that you're handsome." 😊
Your Grandfather was a wise man, I am sure.
I would go for the variance. 6 weeks in the long run to have a building where you want it - is probably worth it. I've worked City Planning for a jurisdiction and will say if you're already receiving the sympathy from the County - you're likely to have advocates to making it happen. Variances are fairly common.
Molly looked so dejected at the beginning of this video. My heart wept for you guys. Shake it off. Chin up! Y'all got this!
I just found your channel. Congratulations on the baby! Sorry for your permit issues. I am 70 and retired from construction background. I feel your pain. Of course when they changed the building requirements they didn’t care that all the homes have been there for years and set back , with maybe no back yard, so you could have a garage in the front and no consideration for grandfathering the homes that have been there. Good luck. I will like and subscribe and follow along. I like your decision. It will be perfect! 👍👍👍 you guys are troopers! Love your attitudes.
You guys work so good together! This little delay is just a bump in the road! Hang in there and keep forging ahead. You are right, God has a plan and moving that building was part of it. Take care of each other! Praying for your plan and site approval soon.
I'm not sure how "front of home" is defined, but if it relates to the actual front of the house, you could temporarily cover the front door and consider what is now the back of the house as the "front." However, my guess is that the fine print more likely concerns the accessory structure being between the main residence and the road access. Anyway, you see where I'm going with this. Often, there is a way to meet the definition by declaring how the existing structures are used. Hope this helps. Good luck guys!
Love the glass half full attitude. Happy and sad for y’all at the same time. All will work out in the long run. Keep it up guys!
Pray and sit back and let thhe Lord guide you. God bless you guys. Good Luck. And congrats on the baby news🙏
I'm sorry this stuff happens! I had a similar issue when planning for our house and future shop. Ultimately, the building inspector saved us a lot of headaches when they told us this same rule about having all the accessory buildings behind the house before we built our home. 2 years later, I finished the new shop! 😄 Things will work out! Also, congrats on the new baby! My wife and I have 3 little boys, I wouldn't trade it for anything!
I can definitely appreciate the thought process of "he wants it in back of the house" ok big man not argueing with you. Hang in there guys
Don't know how much likes and comments help financially but I will gladly do both as you continue this project.
Good luck with everything. A young couple like yourselves are trying to make a living for your family.
Good luck in obtaining your permit, hopefully it will all work out for you guys. Keep up the good work!
You should go for the variance I think. Its just a punch to roll with. You have a plan and should stick to it so there are less possibilities for regrets. I love watching you two do this stuff.
I agree, and wish we had the extra time to do that. The six week delay ends up dominoing into a far greater delay.
Brighter days ahead! Prayers for approval at the new location. 🙏❤🤞
Fingers crossed!
@@Woodbrew 🤞
Look at all the lumber standing there for your stash. Multiyear plans, 6 weeks in barely a bump in the road. Take care & stay safe.
Just subscribed to your channel after seeing you on Ambition Strikes. Been there and done that with city/county zoning depts. Sometimes you must involve and sometimes it’s not worth involving them. One thing is for sure, if you ask they will tell you. Proud of how you guys are handling it. Hang in there. You seem like an awesome young couple. I will enjoy watching your future and past adventures.
Wow, I really hope it all works out for you. You got a great couple.
Been watching you guys for awhile! Met you in Skiatook Oklahoma at a woodworker’s conference. So happy for your expanding family and Pray God’s blessings on you all and for a healthy strong baby in Jesus’ name!
I understand your being upset. It took 6 months and 3different sets of plans to finally get approval to build a 24x32 backyard workshop. Planning was awesome, zoning seemed to be whatever any person's particular take on the code was. I finally talked to the department manager, when all the zoning personnel were out for training. He stated, "it's just a workshop,so I see nothing wrong with it". He approved my 3rd proposal on the spot.
Best wishes on yours!
You are getting a lot of terrific suggestion. I know that it is a lot easier to add on some garages to your house just call them garages not workshop. Later you can use it for whatever you want. Also ask any neighbors or people in the area how they got their work shops.
I believe your faith will serve you well. Maybe the answer isn’t “NO,” but “not right now.” Either way, y’all are amazing! Keep up the strong work!!
My view from a retired LEO , placing in the back ,regardless of the area, your items in the shop maybe a little more secure.
Yay more content!! -- Thanks for bringing us along with the process, even if it is bumpy... -- Cheers
Thank you! Renting an excavator next week😏
Sorry about that bad news. As Dylan said, everything happens for a reason. But I believe it will work out everything in the end. Keep going and keep inspiring us. Please always wear you sweet smile and laugh. God speed!
It will all work out 👍
You both have such a great outlook on life. I always trust the Lord whenever something goes a different way than I planned. Awesome video 👏👏👏👏. God Bless
Man you got to know it will all work out. As hard working as you both are, God will pour favor in to your lives.
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Something that always made me curious is the financing side of yalls projects. It's really cool to hear the effort yall are making to pay for this out of pocket. Power to you. I'm rooting for yall!
I really do hope that you're able to build the shop that you want in need.
Hi, I just wanted to thank you so much, you motivate and inspire me so much, you don't even know how much you have done for me. A great gift, a gift from life is to meet such amazing people on your path. Greetings from Poland.
Genuinely love and appreciate this❤️
It’s going to be great wherever you put it.
A variance isn't just about time and a fee. Be sure to understand the findings that need to be found before a variance can be issued. At least in California a variance is pretty difficult. Moving your project is probably a better decision. That's the kind of stuff that lead me to public office in my small town. I can say that I was able to make things easier for people to get a variance in my town though I wasn't able to build my shop the way I wanted. Good luck to you two and God bless.
So sorry guys hope everything works out 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Keep asking. "No" is the BEGINNING of the negotiation.
Awesome!
Always think long term and really weight the plusses and minuses. You’ll forget about 6 weeks a couple years from now.
My opinion is that haste makes waste. Stick to your original plan and see how it works out. Even if it takes more time, you'll be happier in the end. And having a garage in the back yard wouldn't make as much sense. I know it's hard when running a channel to keep projects lined up, but I would personally just try to put it where you know it should be. That's just my opinion though.
I believe in the long term you will be way ahead of the game if you apply for variance
Hang in there guys
3:26, I was about to say, you should have bought a stump bucket. I've got about the same size tractor (L3901) and the stump bucket is my go-to option for this kinda of stuff. But you were able to push it over pretty easily.
Hang in there guys!
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Look for the silver linings. When I saw where you were putting it, I thought it will be great to have a shop at the back of the house where you could also have a swing set to watch the little peanut! See...silver lining. :-)
Another awesome video Molly and Dylan. Keep your chin up, the good Lord is looking out for you.
Thank you:)
Go with the variance pay the $600 bucks and place the building where you want. Or connect the building to the house. It will not be considered an accessory but an addition. Check if adding a trellis or pergola connecting both structures will make the planning commissikn consider them one structure...
When you're frowning, just stand on your head and the frown turns into a smile.
I'm sorry you had to change your plans but I know you will both make the best decision. Keep your chins up.
Keep up the good work!
Just my 2 cents, do it how you want and go for the variance, youll be much happier
Could you put up a privacy fence to keep the shop from being seen from the road? 😮 😊
Best of luck.
you;ve been given a bunch of lemons...time to make some lemonade! Keep up the good attitude...you can do this
Like you say… it’ll all work out in the end xxx
When life gives you lemons......sit back & have a few Gin & Tonics!!! Shake it off. You're attitude is right and you'll get there.
I'm sure that things will workout for you. I know this is easy for me to say but I think that you are both blessed with what you have and the future that is ahead of you. Good luck. :)
Thank you!
Sorry to hear about that bad new. Another issue with the variance is that they keep the money even if the variance isn't approved. Just something to keep in mind. If other neighbors are complaining about the same issue, it could be warrented.
Best to make an appt. with zoning and map out the area that they will approve for building before designing the plans to build. In no time at all they will calculate rear and side setbacksthat allow you to save time on drawing up plans, and get you on your way to constructing your project.
Wasn’t a setback issuing it was a zoning code on accessory structures.
As well as the extra cost for the site prep, I think the cost difference on just running a 200 amp service that extra distance could be substantial? Good luck either way!
Yea, you're not wrong.
I would still try for variance. I get the time crunch, but it is small compared to the rest of your lives there. Maybe a sign to relax for a little or change up your plans
Power and control from the government. You should be able to do what you want with your own property. Not to state the fact that you have to pay for a permit (permission) to even start the work. Plus the real joy is that improving your property will also increase your property taxes. God Bless America.
Keep the faith. Consider doing what I do. Build and wait and see.
Super sad for you not getting that permit. But, IF POSSIBLE, would consider extending you house in a manner that it keeps looking like your house and make your shop this way. I don't know how else you could get them to say yes to your dream. Some cities, in special case, will allow a derogation to their decision and allow the people to achieve their goal. In any event I wish both of you GOOD LUCK. I am sure you will find a solution to this problem.
If we did that, then it opens the floodgates to more permitting and engineering unfortunately.
Sometimes you just have to roll with the punches. Thanks for the video.
I had to get a variance because of crazy property setbacks and a neighbor said my roof water could flood her land. I had to run a bunch of drainage to even get a zoning permit it took two months so lol
Onwards and upwards, guys! Keep moving towards your goal. This is just a hiccup along the way xo
Keep up the great work and positive attitude! You'll get there.
Curious- what do you all do with the small branches and brush that you trim off? Do you have a big burn pile or do you compost it somehow? We have a lot on our property and never are really sure what to do.
We typically burn it, but that usually takes a long time. We have a burn ban from June-October which is always a hassle.
Submitted plans for the addition of a garage . At the time , I was told if they were denied I could appeal,
and if the appeal was denied , I could pay a "Fee" and they would be approved .................................. ( extra $900 ) .
Didn't move forward because of the property tax implications but thought the added fee was a little shady .
As someone who is 4 years into building a shop, I'm just now able to set things up without having to think in the back of my head about what else needs to be done. I did things incrementally as I could pay cash, starting with the shell, then driveway, then electrical, and now insulation. If I had to redo it, I think I would've rather gone in debt to get it all done up front and be able to set it up permanently way earlier. Especially because this shop supports your business, I highly recommend just getting it all done up front so you aren't constantly having to juggle and setup temporary workspaces.
You’re not wrong. ROI is high. It may come to that, but we just spent two years paying down debt and saving for a baby so spending anything, even a $5 coffee, sounds horrible.
Fast growing population may impede your efforts to obtain a variance. Don’t give up!
*Good luck in getting your permit. 🙂 Councils can be a pain, when they chop an change their rules/laws left right & centre all the time. It just makes it that much more harder on the people. This happens in all countries around the world.*
It sounds like its time to get involved with the city hall. If thats a reoccurring issue and the city officials wont take the initiative to accommodate. Then the people if yall want to can get changes made. Remember they work for us not vise versa. I hope the rest of yalls plans go more smoothly
I am not sure where you are located but Matt. Cremona has a mill that can cut that big piece of wood.
There's good and bad to these types of restrictions. We live out where nobody cares what is built where. So, it is good for us. But our neighbors can also build whatever/wherever. So we end up with a lot of random buildings/sheds all over the place in our area.
God's got this! So do you, keep trusting!
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How many times over has that tractor paid for itself? Seems like the most useful investment you’ve made!
MANY times
One benefit of placing the shop behind the house is it will be more secure.
A shop at the front by the road makes it inviting for those among us who believe taking things that don't belong to them is OK.
It wouldn’t be by the road, we have 600ft between our house and the road😅 That’s what makes the decision that we can’t put it in front of the house a little more frustrating. But all is well! Our new permit is approved and we are on our way🤗
VARIANCE!!! :)
The variance is most likely not a big deal. I submitted mine in December, had it approved less than 2-weeks later. Do it if you need to do it.
This is my first video of watching you guys. I hope you get the approved on your second spot and I noticed you padded her belly. Does that mean she’s pregnant? I’m just asking because if she is congratulations to the two of you and what kind of a shop are you building?if you said in the video, I’m 62 and losing my mind lol
Have you ever been in a situation when something happens and in that moment not very happy? But then, when looking back it was the perfect outcome. You’re right, God always has a plan :D
I don’t know if your property is located in or outside the city limits. If it’s not in the city limits then local government have way to much say so over your property. But I do realize that there are a lot of states / counties where this is the norm. Just glad the state and county where I live isn’t this way.
I know y'all are disappointed right now,but in the long run, the county did you a favor.. Putting the shop behind your house will make the appearance of your homestead soo much better than putting it in front of your house.. It will add more property value if you ever decide to sale... Count this as a blessing.
We built three homesteads and remodel a barndo with ten acres. That being said...we have a lot of experience building...
Also, I was wondering if y'all can put out an address for people like me who would love sending something for your baby.. I'm just waiting to see if the baby is going to be a boy or a girl before I send my baby gift to you..
Stay encourage..
Grease the wheels. This story reminds me of an addition I wanted to build onto my home. The county said NO. I reached out to an architect and low and behold... all permits were approved. Many times, especially in smaller communities, the building process can get political. Having a local professional on your side can really speed up the process. It's not inexpensive, but it saves a ton of headaches.
Your first mistake was applying for a permit. I’m kidding but also kind of not kidding.
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I suggest that it’s likely a good thing that the permit was denied longer term.
Generally it’s not a great idea to have a structure in front of your house. It massively devalues your property.
Street / Curb appeal is diminished severely - it can be the nicest garage / workshop, it can match / blend in with the house etc BUT as life progresses inevitably - the workshop starts out as a hobby / part time business then later probably full time business and there’s insufficient room inside the shop, so stuff gets parked outside, lean to gets added on - then more expansion & before you know it your front yard looks like Steptoe & Sons wreckers yard & you have zero street / curb appeal on your house / property & it essentially becomes an eye sore, neighbours complain - the local authority gets involved etc.
It’s just never “a good idea”. Often the easiest cheapest way is never the best or right way.
And these zoning / planning laws are specifically designed to prevent things turning out that way longer term.
Look at people who live in gated communities who have HOA’s (Home Owners Associations) to deal with, all your neighbours deciding what you can and cannot do on your own property - even in your back yard, code violation fines if your grass is too long or you park your car in the driveway and not inside your garage etc etc.
That’s today’s world we live in where every “Karen” neighbour wants to have a say in how we live our lives.
Better get used to it, it’s only going to get worse.
DeLand Molly is there way financially we could help.
How much is the variance going to cost and then how much will moving the location cost?
Slowdown and tackle one project at a time.
Baby is the only project for now.
We will slow down when we are dead😅 In all honesty, life would be boring to us if we didn’t pursue life at 110%. Just how we are wired.
Hey guys! I think choose the best location that will work for you family in the long run. If it’s in the front, try the variance meeting. Remember the important thing is the family/baby. You can always build the project later.
The Lord will open and close doors for your shop. The front didn’t work out as planned but the back sounds promising.
Any change you could “connect” it to the existing house with a breezeway that makes it attached to the existing structure and not considered and separate structure?
It just opens up a bunch of other things because then it's an addition not a barn.
Wow she looks good in a hat also life is funny sometimes just have to roll with the punches ! God is love his is life … remember god had a plan..
Surely if it's a multi year build, a 6 week delay is worth it...if it fails then at least you get to save more money...and then at least you know you tried....its worth the wait for what you want me thinks peeps.
I would agree 99% of the time, but in this instance with a baby on the way, time is of the essence.
@@Woodbrew absolutely...can't you get a sponsorship to assist in the hire costs for equipment to clear the new space? Maybe then spend the savings on some help to aid you to save time?
I remember the shop you renovated and then had to move because of the red tape brigade. Look at you now, a house and a baby on the way. In a few years you will look back on this and laugh.
Yup... Shockingly later found out that some other woodworker in the area reported us. We were literally just kids back then. You are 100% correct.
attach the shop to your house as in an attached garage. Then it isn't in front of your house, because it is part of your house.
Rules that don’t make sense always a roadblock. I could only build a 1000sqft garage with a max height of 20’. I stretched it to 22’. No one checked it always good to have a nice building inspector.
I would recommend when purchasing a property you can put an offer on it contingent on the city approving your development plans. I actually had to rezone a property and it took three months, the but the seller was okay with all of that. $.02.
We purchased 3 years ago and when we purchased it was completely unzoned. We could’ve turned it into scrap yard. 2 years later they applied zoning
@@Woodbrew Good luck. I'm looking forward to watching the project develop. Proud of you two! 👍
Your young. Don’t be impatient and do something or say something on your channel that would make things worse. Life sometimes takes a little longer.
Ya'll need a mulcher so ya don't have to ever buy mulch for flower beds etc. what with all those shrubs and stuff.