Is it really necessary? It seems like a major downgrade that you can eat a sandwich in 2018 model S but get try that in 2024 Y and your fsd/autopilot gets cancelled.
@bigadog2k9 Yea, it's ironically so. They did remove the steering wheel nag, so that is contributing to the more relaxing driving experience, but they need to work on integrating the camera monitoring software within the overall system. I will just copy paste what I wrote earlier as my suggestion to this conundrum.. I think, with driver attention monitoring camera activated and driver watching the road, all disengagement actions, except for the push down on the steering wheel stalk, should be just interventions. Ie. Steering wheel input and brake pedal input. Just like acceleration pedal and change lane indicator inputs are currently doing. That should improve the driving experience. Something to consider 🤔
Most speed signs in Oregon do _not_ have *limit* written on them. That is because speeds are intended to be guidelines and the actual observed speed depends on many factors (weather, congestion, lighting, vehicle condition, etc.) That doesn't indicate _Autobahn_ conditions though there are a few areas of the state where such rules do apply!
Calm down and smell the roses, Life is too short to rush it. Next time leave 15 minutes early for all your appointments. That is what CHILL mode is for.
Dowloaded v12.5.1 a few hours ago. In my opinion it’s a regression. Don’t know what they did, but it is now more aggressive on stops and starts (even in Chill mode). It’s lost that buttery smooth feel of v12.5. There’s one street on campus with 3 stop signs within a short distance. FSD takes off running, then stops rather abruptly. Sort of regretting updating.
The tricky part with blinking red lights is that unless it is marked with signage, or permanent and part of map data, or you can see the lights for all the other directions - FSD doesn't know if it is a 4 way stop or 2 way (or even just your way). It makes sense that FSD waits to see that the cross traffic stops, then proceeds to deduce that it is a 4 way stop.
You talk about the speed and going to slow at 19:44 and actually Whole Mars talk about this it is actually is keeping a good distance from the car in front so it doesn't have keep spending up and slowing down to make the ride smooth
FSD now stops close to the stop sign but the new behavior is FSD then quickly creeps to a point it can decide to go or not go. Once you get used to it you'll be fine with the behavior. I'd still prefer it stop at the creep line but for now I'll take the improvement. I'm now on v12.5.1. Basically no difference from v12.5 that I could tell. Overall I love v12.5.x. Doesn't back up yet.
Again, in other jurisdictions, in my case Australia, there is always a line in line with the stop sign at which you should stop. Rolling stops are not allowed here in New South Wales, but nearly everyone still does it. (I don't.)
If you want to be on time you have to be early which means you have to leave a little bit earlier Don't blame the car. But the idea of looking ahead and seeing the traffic lights and the speed you need to go to maneuver around that's how I drive but very few people I drive with are able to do that. Safety is always deciding factor.
If everyone are required to drive above the speed limit, that’s not Fsd issue but your local traffic regulator issue, either they fix the speed sign or you have to bear with the slower speed, because Fsd is trained to observe the sign and the speed sign for the rest of the world including my country is fixed, if above the speed limit, camera will capture and send you a fine after.
On non highway roads instead of using the roller ball to increase speed, press the accelerator foot peddle and it will increase the speed and maintain it.
Part of the problem with people who do FSD is they have stylistic criticism - the car doesn't drive like ME. But if you have a friend drive you somewhere do you think the whole time....he doesn't drive like ME? Nah. I think the merging in 12.5 is much smarter. Sometimes it slows, sometimes it accelerates. It's making better decisions. But yes the navigation system is terrible, the maps are terrible. They all need to be fixed.
IMHO, the main new improvement with 12.5.x is hands-free and the technical detail of the whole stack driven by the same software. I guess this is why Ashok expects rapid progress (due to eliminated dual maintenance and just identifying data to add to training set?)
I think, with driver attention monitoring camera activated and driver watching the road, all disengagement actions, except for the push down on the steering wheel stalk, should be just interventions. Ie. Steering wheel input and brake pedal input. Just like acceleration pedal and change lane indicator inputs are currently doing. That should improve the driving experience. Something to consider 🤔
I have FSD 2022 Model Y. When will I get FSD 12.5? Currently on 12.3.6 . Do I have to have HW4 to get the upgrade? When will the upgrade be available for HW3? Can you help me out here by giving me some answers? If not, who can?
The speed limit is the limit! Here in Australia, on dome roads we have speed cameras monitoring average speed over some 20 km or more on interstate highways! More than 5km over and you're done! It's automatic, letter in the mail a week later! Mobile police radar units the same, take no prisoners!
Stopping well short of the "line" or sign seems to be a feature of 12.5.1, but then it's does not pause long before creeping out to where it can see what it needs to see, IME. YEAH! Yes, blinking RED get handled the same as a stop sign, and blinking YELLOW used to give it stopping-accelerating-stopping-accelerating heebie-jeebies. That's now fixed it seems. YES! If you're going to show friends FSD, then -PLEASE- do it with 4.5.1 at least. It is sooooo much better and smoother.
It's set to auto speed max, even when switching to a set max speed with percentage over, it'll still drive smoothly with regard to vehicles in front. It keeps a distance that allows smoother acceleration/ deceleration. Hitting the accelerator will speed it up though.
Tesla FSD 12.5 is still not, remotely, ready because many videos still showing it failing often. Chuck's turn was still a dangerous fail and Dirty Tesla had to stop it from trying to turn left from the right lane into oncoming traffic. A single experience in light traffic will, generally, not expose these dangers but FSD still has a very long way to go to be reliable enough to ever be anything beyond Level 2.
I just got 12.5.1 last night. It's okay...I feel phantom breaking still. Not nearly as bad as before but sadly still there. It slowed down way to much to turn now and getting into turn lanes when traffic I stopped ahead. It's very uncomfortable at best. It's changing lanes late, or getting scared and jumping back. It reverses a foot or so when it sees it messed up. It's so slow at reacting to lights turning green. Speeds are not consistent or what you need it to be doing. Usually much slower than the speed limit. Maybe they rushed this update...?? Edit- the more you talk, the more it thinks you are not paying attention. You need a TH-camrs version. Lol
@@Sal3600 I'm running the latest hardware in the 2024 model y. Picked it up a few weeks ago. Had FSD on a 21 model y for 3 years. I'm just explaining what I have seen. If its my hardware, then it's everyone's hardware.
I always got phantom braking on Autopilot, but never on FSD. What I do get is incorrect speed limits, which I never got on Autopilot. FSD is amazing, but annoying.
Yeah I guess I don’t think slowing down for a questionable situation is quite the same as the random phantom braking that used to happen (sudden slamming in brakes in a seaming emergency).
@@DanaOredson not doing it as much but it's still happening to me in the Chicago land area. Wide open roads, no one around and you feel it jerking you around with the brakes. It does seem to stop trying to move at red lights that 12.5 had going. Glad that's stopped.
It does not matter what speed you want to go the speed limit sign means the limit to your speed. Just because every schnook out there drives too fast does not mean you should fault the software.
I had a similar situation but it didnt get so close to the curve so it jerked the wheel around for about 45 seconds then decided to go forward and actually corrected itself and got out of the parking lot. But I had not gotten in a position for a curb check yet.
It’s too strict, can’t wear sunglasses, can’t eat, can’t look away for a little bit, I would feel so uncomfortable that I would just drive myself. Just Sitting there still like that staring in front just too much stress for my adhd brain
Cool vid. I'm not a scientist or mathematician, but lets say FSD 12.y.z managed to travel 20 miles without any interventions.. If the average person does 12,000 miles or more a year. Can anyone say what the real significance is of a 20-mile FSD no-intervention trip if 12,000 miles or more a year would have to be navigated/driven without any human intervening? It's one small step for AI and one giant leap for lawyers.
My Model Y does not see stationary or slowly moving white cars at certain angles and I would have crashed into such vehicles on 2 occasions without hitting the breaks. It would have also turned into oncoming traffic without my intervention. Granted this is on Hardware 3 and 12.3.6, but I have my doubts that this will be solved on HW3. The WSJ piece from July 29 talks about this and attributes it to faulty camera calibration. Would love for someone to do a balanced analysis of this problem as I am clearly not the only person experiencing this.
It may not be ready, but IT IS improving from the last version. That is what Tesla is working to get to Full Self Driving. Long as it improves after each iteration, it is a good thing.
@@1flash3571Not really. If it "improves" for the next decade but still never reaches the reliability required for lvl 3 or lvl4 driving, then many who bought FSD won't be able to actually use the full self driving features theh were promised and spent thousands for.
@@TheSpartan3669 What are you talking about? IT IS already at Level 3. If it can do a drive without any intervention, often, that IS Level 3. It is beyond lvl 2.....
Impressive both for what it can do and what it cannot do. If it still can't back up, it's not ready for robotaxi. If the car is driving itself with no required supervision, I won't be sitting there criticizing its driving all the time. I have better things to do with the time I gain from a self-driving car. You remind me of my wife. I hope it happens soon, but I'm still betting on 2030 or later for FSD robotaxis unless Tesla decides to cave on geofences and remote monitors.
The "nags" are mostly due to the NHTSA "recalls" where Tesla had to agree to increase the annoyance level, thinking that why should Tesla drivers be immune to road rage, I guess. Possibly Tesla should make a retrofit to the H3 system to add the H4 processor, even if the cameras can't be upgraded. Seems a shame not to be able to re-chip the motherboard, so to speak.
You're going he posted speed limit, and the roads are wet...you stay safe and let the drivers behind you learn to manage their anger/frustration better. It's not your responsibility to go faster just to please other unsafe drivers.
Douma definitely didn't specify memory vs processing. The whole point of optimization is you optimize against your bottleneck. 12.5 will 100% work on HW3 because it is nowhere near fully optimized, no early software versions are, in fact they are always optimized to meet the requirements because doing more than that is wasting money.
7:23 Probably the stupidest and most insane comment comming from Dr. Know-it-all, it's a speed LIMIT meaning you are not supposed to go over it. Two wrongs doesn't make it right
With more people using FSD, they will disengage with things like how fast the car is going or caring about drivers tailgating and the perceived need to go any faster will diminish. It'll ultimately eliminate road rage/ intolerance, hence benefit mental health and general quality of life. Who the hell wants to be a prisoner to the steering wheel?!
I can't believe that you think it's necessary to drive faster than the legal speed limit anywhere. I'm in the UK and people do it here, too. However, the police (correctly) raise a lot of funds giving tickets to speeders. If it were safe to driver faster they'd set the speed limit higher. Simple.
Wait doctors in Georgia are on time,? May wonders never cease! Here's a machine learning engineer's perspective on how to solve the problem of entering and exiting a parking lot for the first time. So FSD is essentially a vision action model which has been trained on billions and billions of scenarios of video indicating what right and wrong behavior is for a vehicle on the road. However, it doesn't seem to have much of a context window in the case of a text model like an llm, context is is simply the size of the near-term memory that the model utilizes to consume content about the prompt that it can then reason about... visual model This context is spatial temporal and not linguistic. Tesla can solve the problem by simply giving the model a larger spatial temporal context of spaces that it is currently navigating. This way it can consult the near recent memory in order to essentially gain a bird's eye view of the local navigating environment... This then can be used to enable the model to navigate out of the imagined context by creating new generative actions for escaping it's recollection but in reverse Making the changes indicated above be a bit more complex but will be extremely robust in brand new scenarios and many types of environments. It also as time goes by and the visual context is increased as hardware, it comes more efficient. The car can remember a larger portion of local navigated transport so that it can escape even more complex scenarios. That said, we still don't have reverse capability which on its own should significantly reduce the number of edge cases in the escape from pocket portion of the landscape of remaining edge cases. I'd imagine a significant chunk of scenarios, including the one that you had would be solved just by having reverse capability without needing to expand the visual context. However, that may be necessary for more complex parking lot scenarios (like multi level parking).
5 - 10 mph over and getting honked at for stopping at stop signs is completely ridiculous. There are some people where I live that do that, but we have enough of people like me that notice these folks and make sure we observe all speed limits and stop signs when these folks are behind us. (They get annoyed and perhaps will leave early the next time, so they aren't late)😝 If you reward or ignore unlawful behavior, it will continue. I mean, if everyone else is murdering people, that's fine.... right?🤔🤪
Relax, start out a little earlier next time! I’m giving you a C- for schedule-man-ship, otherwise you pass with an A- . Next time take a couple deep breaths in the hall before entering the classroom and remember a clear “hello Sir” when addressing me as your professor! Class dismissed!
Sadly, I will never see a full featured FSD 12.5.x on my 2021 Model Y because 12.5 can’t run on Hardware 3 cars. They hope to get it optimized down to Hardware 3 cars, but we all know that means cutting features to allow it run on older cars. Elon says it should come to Hardware 3 cars in 10 days, so maybe October we will see our stripped down FSD Supervised.
I can't believe that the first thing you say in your comment is how we can give you money. I'm done. Not even going to watch it. DEFINITELY not going to subscribe. Oh, and I'm clicking the thumbs down also.
I think it's funny how the closer we get to FSD not needing us to pay attention the better it gets at forcing us to pay attention.
Yes!! Agreed, it seems almost paradoxical but is of course necessary.
Is it really necessary? It seems like a major downgrade that you can eat a sandwich in 2018 model S but get try that in 2024 Y and your fsd/autopilot gets cancelled.
Actually, our previous FSD has trained us to subconciously pay attention at the critical intersections/merges/roundabouts. So I agree completely.
Uncanny valley for driving.
@bigadog2k9
Yea, it's ironically so. They did remove the steering wheel nag, so that is contributing to the more relaxing driving experience, but they need to work on integrating the camera monitoring software within the overall system. I will just copy paste what I wrote earlier as my suggestion to this conundrum..
I think, with driver attention monitoring camera activated and driver watching the road, all disengagement actions, except for the push down on the steering wheel stalk, should be just interventions. Ie. Steering wheel input and brake pedal input. Just like acceleration pedal and change lane indicator inputs are currently doing. That should improve the driving experience. Something to consider 🤔
Such big improvements in the past couple years.
YEAAAH! Grabbing myself a coffee and enjoying this!!
Most speed signs in Oregon do _not_ have *limit* written on them. That is because speeds are intended to be guidelines and the actual observed speed depends on many factors (weather, congestion, lighting, vehicle condition, etc.) That doesn't indicate _Autobahn_ conditions though there are a few areas of the state where such rules do apply!
Calm down and smell the roses, Life is too short to rush it. Next time leave 15 minutes early for all your appointments. That is what CHILL mode is for.
Dowloaded v12.5.1 a few hours ago. In my opinion it’s a regression. Don’t know what they did, but it is now more aggressive on stops and starts (even in Chill mode). It’s lost that buttery smooth feel of v12.5. There’s one street on campus with 3 stop signs within a short distance. FSD takes off running, then stops rather abruptly. Sort of regretting updating.
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The tricky part with blinking red lights is that unless it is marked with signage, or permanent and part of map data, or you can see the lights for all the other directions - FSD doesn't know if it is a 4 way stop or 2 way (or even just your way). It makes sense that FSD waits to see that the cross traffic stops, then proceeds to deduce that it is a 4 way stop.
Great video! It's amazing how much better It's getting in a short period of time❤
Surely my favourite FSD tester, thanks!
All testers for FSD should have the " Be Patient Student Driver" magnet on the trunk IMHO. Seriously , it wouldn't hurt.
I am not a tester but I use it 95% of the time and it's not a bad idea however 12.5 is so much less hesitant that it might be necessary.
You talk about the speed and going to slow at 19:44 and actually Whole Mars talk about this it is actually is keeping a good distance from the car in front so it doesn't have keep spending up and slowing down to make the ride smooth
This guy has a history of being more aggressive, riding up on people. He wants the car to assert dominance on the car in front of it.
Pretty smooth can't wait till they get it ready for H3
IN NJ and NY they have another variant called Parkway, which is expressway w/o commercial trucks
FSD now stops close to the stop sign but the new behavior is FSD then quickly creeps to a point it can decide to go or not go. Once you get used to it you'll be fine with the behavior. I'd still prefer it stop at the creep line but for now I'll take the improvement. I'm now on v12.5.1. Basically no difference from v12.5 that I could tell. Overall I love v12.5.x. Doesn't back up yet.
Again, in other jurisdictions, in my case Australia, there is always a line in line with the stop sign at which you should stop. Rolling stops are not allowed here in New South Wales, but nearly everyone still does it. (I don't.)
So far I don't see any difference in 12.5.1 from 12.5. Both seem amazing to me.
If you want to be on time you have to be early which means you have to leave a little bit earlier Don't blame the car. But the idea of looking ahead and seeing the traffic lights and the speed you need to go to maneuver around that's how I drive but very few people I drive with are able to do that. Safety is always deciding factor.
"Better to be late than dead on time..."
- A road safety message at one time here in 'Straya!
If everyone are required to drive above the speed limit, that’s not Fsd issue but your local traffic regulator issue, either they fix the speed sign or you have to bear with the slower speed, because Fsd is trained to observe the sign and the speed sign for the rest of the world including my country is fixed, if above the speed limit, camera will capture and send you a fine after.
On non highway roads instead of using the roller ball to increase speed, press the accelerator foot peddle and it will increase the speed and maintain it.
* pedal...
Part of the problem with people who do FSD is they have stylistic criticism - the car doesn't drive like ME. But if you have a friend drive you somewhere do you think the whole time....he doesn't drive like ME? Nah. I think the merging in 12.5 is much smarter. Sometimes it slows, sometimes it accelerates. It's making better decisions.
But yes the navigation system is terrible, the maps are terrible. They all need to be fixed.
Fantastic!
Oh looked like it really wanted to back up there around 9:15 mark. Can't wait for them to add that capability.
Thanks for sharing. Local knowledge is important. Maybe if they Geo tag the training data.
IMHO, the main new improvement with 12.5.x is hands-free and the technical detail of the whole stack driven by the same software.
I guess this is why Ashok expects rapid progress (due to eliminated dual maintenance and just identifying data to add to training set?)
It is what I have always called an "Expressway" main road, but not part of Federal Interstate system
Fascinating
Interesting to see the infra-red rights flashing around the interior camera.
21:18 - you just passed a speed camera on your side
Looks like Darth Vader if it flashes red 😂
Don’t be complacent John. Arms crossed could prove to be a very bad idea if it does do something wrong.
I do my tie and eat breakfast now while the car drives. Last time I had a safety intervention that wasn't just breaking was....I dont even remember.
upvoted!!!!
In Washington state everyone drives the speed limit or less.
12.5 has a major issue going under the speed limit. Way under.
what are those flashing lights besides the cabin camera?
Tesla FSD 12.4.3 was the first version that was 100% hands free which is Tesla's ChatGPT moment.
I’d be interested in trying the boom gate you had problems with recently
What would happen if you went through a deep puddle and the steering was pulled. Could it compensate for this?
I think, with driver attention monitoring camera activated and driver watching the road, all disengagement actions, except for the push down on the steering wheel stalk, should be just interventions. Ie. Steering wheel input and brake pedal input. Just like acceleration pedal and change lane indicator inputs are currently doing. That should improve the driving experience. Something to consider 🤔
I have FSD 2022 Model Y. When will I get FSD 12.5? Currently on 12.3.6 . Do I have to have HW4 to get the upgrade? When will the upgrade be available for HW3? Can you help me out here by giving me some answers? If not, who can?
5-9mph over is normal in Virginia
The speed limit is the limit! Here in Australia, on dome roads we have speed cameras monitoring average speed over some 20 km or more on interstate highways! More than 5km over and you're done! It's automatic, letter in the mail a week later!
Mobile police radar units the same, take no prisoners!
worth to see if the "bar gate" issue is fixed.... seems not
What does the green dot mean? I’ve been wondering that but I didn’t hear you ever finish that thought!
9:05 you can really see the tentacle going backwards 😮 I hope 12.5.2 let's it shift into reverse
It naturally stops at any sign and then Slowly creeps up To any line
Stopping well short of the "line" or sign seems to be a feature of 12.5.1, but then it's does not pause long before creeping out to where it can see what it needs to see, IME.
YEAH! Yes, blinking RED get handled the same as a stop sign, and blinking YELLOW used to give it stopping-accelerating-stopping-accelerating heebie-jeebies. That's now fixed it seems.
YES! If you're going to show friends FSD, then -PLEASE- do it with 4.5.1 at least. It is sooooo much better and smoother.
If you have an elderly parent think about getting them FSD
20:37 - would it go faster, if you crank up the speed?
It's set to auto speed max, even when switching to a set max speed with percentage over, it'll still drive smoothly with regard to vehicles in front. It keeps a distance that allows smoother acceleration/ deceleration. Hitting the accelerator will speed it up though.
What would have happened if you parked in a spot at the dollar general before going to the chiropractor?
Gonna have to see if it can handle emergency vehicles, school buses, speed limited school zones.
Tesla FSD 12.5 is still not, remotely, ready because many videos still showing it failing often. Chuck's turn was still a dangerous fail and Dirty Tesla had to stop it from trying to turn left from the right lane into oncoming traffic. A single experience in light traffic will, generally, not expose these dangers but FSD still has a very long way to go to be reliable enough to ever be anything beyond Level 2.
Leave earlier 😂 - Do you think Tesla considers your driving habits “good” - something tells me no.
Are you on hardware 3 ?
I just got 12.5.1 last night. It's okay...I feel phantom breaking still. Not nearly as bad as before but sadly still there. It slowed down way to much to turn now and getting into turn lanes when traffic I stopped ahead. It's very uncomfortable at best. It's changing lanes late, or getting scared and jumping back. It reverses a foot or so when it sees it messed up. It's so slow at reacting to lights turning green. Speeds are not consistent or what you need it to be doing. Usually much slower than the speed limit. Maybe they rushed this update...??
Edit- the more you talk, the more it thinks you are not paying attention. You need a TH-camrs version. Lol
Might be specific to your hardware
@@Sal3600 I'm running the latest hardware in the 2024 model y. Picked it up a few weeks ago. Had FSD on a 21 model y for 3 years. I'm just explaining what I have seen. If its my hardware, then it's everyone's hardware.
I always got phantom braking on Autopilot, but never on FSD. What I do get is incorrect speed limits, which I never got on Autopilot. FSD is amazing, but annoying.
Yeah I guess I don’t think slowing down for a questionable situation is quite the same as the random phantom braking that used to happen (sudden slamming in brakes in a seaming emergency).
@@DanaOredson not doing it as much but it's still happening to me in the Chicago land area. Wide open roads, no one around and you feel it jerking you around with the brakes. It does seem to stop trying to move at red lights that 12.5 had going. Glad that's stopped.
It does not matter what speed you want to go the speed limit sign means the limit to your speed. Just because every schnook out there drives too fast does not mean you should fault the software.
"Drives too fast" is a very subjective statement if you drop the pure legal definition. Some speed limits are ridiculously slow.
Can't wait for it to add the REVERSE SKILL. Then no one can think of FSD as a dummy at all lol
Horizontal single rail gate problem fixed? (Like the RR Crossings)
Yes, it is your issue.
9:19
Man I wish you hadn’t disengaged. I wanted to see how long it would sit there!!!
And couldn’t you simply request to go to the address again?
I had a similar situation but it didnt get so close to the curve so it jerked the wheel around for about 45 seconds then decided to go forward and actually corrected itself and got out of the parking lot. But I had not gotten in a position for a curb check yet.
Didn’t your car back into the space in the end?
Maybe robotaxi, we'll have steering on all 4 wheels so that it can simply spin on its own. Axis and continue on.
No need for reverse.
It’s too strict, can’t wear sunglasses, can’t eat, can’t look away for a little bit, I would feel so uncomfortable that I would just drive myself. Just Sitting there still like that staring in front just too much stress for my adhd brain
Cool vid. I'm not a scientist or mathematician, but lets say FSD 12.y.z managed to travel 20 miles without any interventions.. If the average person does 12,000 miles or more a year. Can anyone say what the real significance is of a 20-mile FSD no-intervention trip if 12,000 miles or more a year would have to be navigated/driven without any human intervening? It's one small step for AI and one giant leap for lawyers.
Arriving on time is 20 minutes late.
I wonder why I didn’t get the update yet, 2023 model y, hw4
My Model Y does not see stationary or slowly moving white cars at certain angles and I would have crashed into such vehicles on 2 occasions without hitting the breaks. It would have also turned into oncoming traffic without my intervention. Granted this is on Hardware 3 and 12.3.6, but I have my doubts that this will be solved on HW3. The WSJ piece from July 29 talks about this and attributes it to faulty camera calibration. Would love for someone to do a balanced analysis of this problem as I am clearly not the only person experiencing this.
12.5 or 12.5.1?
Where are you in aggressive mode?
Just watched the latest Chuck Cook's video - it is definitely not ready.
It may not be ready, but IT IS improving from the last version. That is what Tesla is working to get to Full Self Driving. Long as it improves after each iteration, it is a good thing.
Cook is overly nervous. 😅
Did you watch the Memorial Park video? That is a great drive.
@@1flash3571Not really. If it "improves" for the next decade but still never reaches the reliability required for lvl 3 or lvl4 driving, then many who bought FSD won't be able to actually use the full self driving features theh were promised and spent thousands for.
@@TheSpartan3669 What are you talking about? IT IS already at Level 3. If it can do a drive without any intervention, often, that IS Level 3. It is beyond lvl 2.....
Yeah the thing with the countdown is annoying. Yeah you wouldn't have blocked that truck it let go either.
Impressive both for what it can do and what it cannot do. If it still can't back up, it's not ready for robotaxi.
If the car is driving itself with no required supervision, I won't be sitting there criticizing its driving all the time. I have better things to do with the time I gain from a self-driving car. You remind me of my wife.
I hope it happens soon, but I'm still betting on 2030 or later for FSD robotaxis unless Tesla decides to cave on geofences and remote monitors.
Wow, that's so pessimistic!
How many seconds can you drive without getting alerts from the TESLA?
Forever if you're not wearing sunglasses and pay attention. Sunglasses support is coming in a v12.5.x point release.
I have 12.5. I don't even want 12.5 1, because they might mess it up. That happened with 11.4.9.
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Are you running hardware 4?
12.5 only available on 4
The "nags" are mostly due to the NHTSA "recalls" where Tesla had to agree to increase the annoyance level, thinking that why should Tesla drivers be immune to road rage, I guess.
Possibly Tesla should make a retrofit to the H3 system to add the H4 processor, even if the cameras can't be upgraded. Seems a shame not to be able to re-chip the motherboard, so to speak.
aggressive driving ≠ better driving
You're going he posted speed limit, and the roads are wet...you stay safe and let the drivers behind you learn to manage their anger/frustration better. It's not your responsibility to go faster just to please other unsafe drivers.
A;most everyone arrives 5 minutes late to everything
Is your car HW3?
No FSD for HW3 is not out yet.
@@edhill8568 Translation: No FSD 12.5+ for HW3 yet
I have HW4 and have already gotten v12.5 and v12.5.1. No real difference between the two so far.
When is the first judge going to require a DUI conviction person to only drive with FSD to go to work
Operator resizing of rear/side mirror views should be fairly simple Id think.. keep it within limits🤷♂️.
You just aren't cut out for fsd testing, John. My goodness, so much doubting, nervousness, and chatter.
Douma definitely didn't specify memory vs processing. The whole point of optimization is you optimize against your bottleneck. 12.5 will 100% work on HW3 because it is nowhere near fully optimized, no early software versions are, in fact they are always optimized to meet the requirements because doing more than that is wasting money.
Why do we see you ir blaster on the video? 🤣
It did 38 in a 50 because it was raining.
7:23 Probably the stupidest and most insane comment comming from Dr. Know-it-all, it's a speed LIMIT meaning you are not supposed to go over it. Two wrongs doesn't make it right
I have 12.4 IT IS Stupid, it misses turns, will not go the speed limit without intervention, its always in the wrong lane.
clearly its a long way from working
12.5.1 doesn’t allow sunglasses
With more people using FSD, they will disengage with things like how fast the car is going or caring about drivers tailgating and the perceived need to go any faster will diminish.
It'll ultimately eliminate road rage/ intolerance, hence benefit mental health and general quality of life.
Who the hell wants to be a prisoner to the steering wheel?!
Yes but doctors and dentists schedule your appointment 15 minutes before their internal schedule, to allow for human behavior.
I can't believe that you think it's necessary to drive faster than the legal speed limit anywhere. I'm in the UK and people do it here, too. However, the police (correctly) raise a lot of funds giving tickets to speeders. If it were safe to driver faster they'd set the speed limit higher. Simple.
Wait doctors in Georgia are on time,? May wonders never cease!
Here's a machine learning engineer's perspective on how to solve the problem of entering and exiting a parking lot for the first time.
So FSD is essentially a vision action model which has been trained on billions and billions of scenarios of video indicating what right and wrong behavior is for a vehicle on the road. However, it doesn't seem to have much of a context window in the case of a text model like an llm, context is is simply the size of the near-term memory that the model utilizes to consume content about the prompt that it can then reason about... visual model This context is spatial temporal and not linguistic.
Tesla can solve the problem by simply giving the model a larger spatial temporal context of spaces that it is currently navigating. This way it can consult the near recent memory in order to essentially gain a bird's eye view of the local navigating environment... This then can be used to enable the model to navigate out of the imagined context by creating new generative actions for escaping it's recollection but in reverse
Making the changes indicated above be a bit more complex but will be extremely robust in brand new scenarios and many types of environments. It also as time goes by and the visual context is increased as hardware, it comes more efficient. The car can remember a larger portion of local navigated transport so that it can escape even more complex scenarios.
That said, we still don't have reverse capability which on its own should significantly reduce the number of edge cases in the escape from pocket portion of the landscape of remaining edge cases. I'd imagine a significant chunk of scenarios, including the one that you had would be solved just by having reverse capability without needing to expand the visual context. However, that may be necessary for more complex parking lot scenarios (like multi level parking).
It’s odd it can park ONLY in reverse, and can summon backward, but can’t do a 3-point Turn to reverse. Let’s stitch this up already FFS!
5 - 10 mph over and getting honked at for stopping at stop signs is completely ridiculous. There are some people where I live that do that, but we have enough of people like me that notice these folks and make sure we observe all speed limits and stop signs when these folks are behind us. (They get annoyed and perhaps will leave early the next time, so they aren't late)😝
If you reward or ignore unlawful behavior, it will continue. I mean, if everyone else is murdering people, that's fine.... right?🤔🤪
Relax, start out a little earlier next time! I’m giving you a C- for schedule-man-ship, otherwise you pass with an A- . Next time take a couple deep breaths in the hall before entering the classroom and remember a clear “hello Sir” when addressing me as your professor!
Class dismissed!
or maybe you could have left a few minutes earlier.
Stop being a backseat driver and let Tesla do it
Sadly, I will never see a full featured FSD 12.5.x on my 2021 Model Y because 12.5 can’t run on Hardware 3 cars. They hope to get it optimized down to Hardware 3 cars, but we all know that means cutting features to allow it run on older cars.
Elon says it should come to Hardware 3 cars in 10 days, so maybe October we will see our stripped down FSD Supervised.
I can't believe that the first thing you say in your comment is how we can give you money.
I'm done. Not even going to watch it.
DEFINITELY not going to subscribe.
Oh, and I'm clicking the thumbs down also.
John, I hope you do realize you actually a horrible driver! I think you believe you are a good driver. Dunning Kruger living example