Andretti F1 Team REJECTED -- Ridiculous!
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- Formula One confirmed in a report today that they will not be accepting Andretti Global as its 11th team until at least 2028, citing that they believe the team will not be competitive or bring value to the Championship. Let's talk about it!
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Well put my man.
Thanks bro!
Ayeeee we got Tommo in the cut💯🙌🏾
another fool 🤣
@@DavidLand91 One thing I’d like to point out is that an eleventh team supports more engineering and technical jobs in an era where cost caps limit the total number of jobs. Many of these jobs aren’t necessarily well paid, but they offer a tremendous career starting point for many young engineers, mechanics, and other job categories such as marketing. On the other end of the spectrum, those that start in other categories of racing can find more stability by working their way into an F1 team. An eleventh team creates more jobs and opportunities for those that dedicate their lives to racing, engineering, and F1. Many of these jobs were cut for the cost cap.
I think the key points from the letter are that FOM claim they have not consulted with the team to create these objections and that they say entry at a later date is theoretically possible. I think those two points are to get around any anticompetitive practice laws. FOM are trying to create the argument that it’s not the teams being anticompetitive and that they haven’t outright denied Andretti because they say they might be able to join in 2028 under the team’s current plans for its structure.
This is of course utter BS. The teams don’t want to lose out on anything they see as rightfully theirs, and even if Andretti brings more sponsors overall, they’d rather have a few of those sponsors to themselves than more sponsors in the sport overall. I believe there is also a fear that an eleventh team will make the bubble even thinner and more likely to burst. Plus, they’d much rather see one of the current teams sell and make boatloads of cash for anyone lucky enough to already be onboard. They can encourage this if they get a few years to legally increase the cost of entry. I wonder if Andretti can sue to get a lower anti dilution fee even if they are prevented entry before the new agreement.
I also don’t think Andretti has more to lose in terms of experience by waiting an extra year to join. Making a decent, good enough car for 2025 would give them tons of experience in setting up the team and relationships before going all in on the 2026 car. Yes, it is a tremendous challenge, but it’s a challenge that I think is worth it. Andretti should argue that F1 and the current teams are trying to handicap them by limiting their experience and charging them way more to enter.
F1 is a private racing club. It is no longer the pinnacle of racing. This proves it.
Funny because Indycar is having a private race.
@@rs660alec3nah man different thing
I like your premise. Private racing club.
wec will replace f1 as the pinnacle of racing if this nonsense exclusivity continues.
@@rs660alec3 at least it's televised and makes a fair bit of sense, they're demonstrating the sport to billionaire investors for a one off. Not pandering to a fake reality show.
F1 denying Andretti auto sport is another reason why I’m not a fan of the sport
It’s too exclusive and pompous for its own good
Meanwhile if you wanted to start a nascar cup team there’s literally nothing stopping you outside of money
Well, that and manufacturer support if you wanted to bring in a new manufacturer. But, I think NASCAR would welcome a new manufacturer, unlike F1.
Nascar desperately needs another manufacturer.
NASCAR is almost the same thing with the charter system. No one wants to run a non-chartered car outside of the biggest races. Even though teams are not public about opposing new entries, high charter prices are a barrier to entry.
@@cco53587But unlike F1, however, new teams have actually Joined NASCAR recently (even if it is only part time).
I mean dale Jr the biggest name in the sport won't even buy a cup team bcuz the charter system makes it way less viable as a business venture ur almost guaranteed to lose.money for quite a while
F1 isn't doing any favors in getting rid of their "we are better" attitude. They're just being greedy gatekeepers.
I think they have every right to gatekeep. The current teams in F1 invested a lot of time and money into making the sport what it is today. Joining F1 would only benefit Andretti and GM; and I honestly agree with their opinion. I don’t think they would be a competitive team, in their first couple of seasons at the very least.
@@colincroft1722 what competition does F1 have????? One team won every race! If you look at the last 15 years please point out the close competitive championship battles? It’s rarely ever competitive and the grid is full of backmarker teams that barely finish in the points
@@michaelkitz2090 they need to sort that out for sure, I’m not saying they’re perfect. But adding another team like Haas to the grid would only be doing Andretti favors and wouldn’t help F1 at all.
@@colincroft1722 I do think andretti partnered with Cadillac would bring value to F1, and expecting any team to be competitive for wins in their first couple of years is a stretch regardless of the team now that we're in the cost cap era. Not even big manufacturers like Porsche would be expected to be competitive like that in their first couple seasons. I am confident that andretti would be better than Haas.
@@TankSlappr I’m not saying that they bring no value whatsoever, I just don’t think what they bring to the table would be enough to justify the means. Andretti is a team I would love to see in F1, just maybe a few more years down the road once the popularity reaches a plateau. With the way things are currently being run over there, we might not be that far off from a plateau anyway.
"We want to expand to the US"
*Proceeds to Reject US Based Team*
Whilst F1 is also attempting to get a fourth Grand Prix in the country. 🙄😒😑
They already have a US based team, and they're shit. They don't want another shit US team.
They don’t give a shit about the US. They just want US dollars. Why nobody has figured that out in the 40 years since they bailed on Watkins Glen instead of helping the track make safety changes to make it safer for their drivers, I have no clue…
@@CJPostal They have no issues with a US brand that adds value to the sport… Andretti isn’t it. GM is, but not Andretti.
EXACTLY 💯 😊 U.S. BEING SHAFTED!!! NOT NICE, NOT NICE AT ALL F1
Grade 1 tracks for formula 1 are required to handle 13 teams or 26 cars. Point 17 is complete bullshit as well
Formula 1 and their ego and elitism….
Disgusting to the Andretti family legacy….
Im shocked how can someone be so disgusting... liberty and current f1 need to be removed by the fans,but current f1 fandom is just posers...real fans actually left
100% agreeable after all mario andretti and then andretti family as a whole has done for open wheel in general and road course racing and saying that they are more important the andretti and saying that they are uselless and being infact inrevalent is just replosive and this is why im a indycar fan not as much as an f1 since the 2013 season
legacy ???? a failed f1 90's driver and a 40 + year old championship ... thats not a Legacy
@@paullowen2707 I was talking about the legacy of the Andretti family in auto racing.
I should I’ve specified in my post. But at the same time. Not everything’s about F1.
Where do we go from here? Penske is not thrilled about expanding the Indycar product beyond the US borders.
I like point 15 lol.
Toro Rosso in their first season literally couldn't afford the new V8 power unit. So the FIA allowed them to use a de-rated V10 for their first season.
And apparently Andretti buying a Renault engine for a year or 2 would be damaging lol
Different time.
@@Andre_The_Millennial which further proves how far F1 has gone from its principles
The Torro Rosso was a de-tuned Redbull basically...
F1:"Andretti won't add value to the championship"
Also F1: "Come on in; Visa Cash App RB, Stake Kick Sauber, and Rich Energy Haas... come have a seat"
Most news articles also have to just call them RB and Sauber because majority are not allowed to use branding for those main sponsors which is funny to me
Venmo PayPal GM Andretti woulda worked
@@rickydeathtower Just 4 casino names and 4 saudi oil companies for the name, spelling out "Andretti" as an acronym lmao
💯
They are called Sponsores idiot god Americans dumb or what bleeding hell, plus they are exciting teams moron oh yes they are re-branding my god there a big difference between re-branding and having 11th team read up f1 what re-branding team mean. Jeez
"I'm devastated. I won't say anything else because I can't find any other words besides devastated." - Mario Andretti.
this is actually the best scenario, they're showing the american race fan what they really think about american racing, like graham rahal said they only want the casual viewer and the money, but those casual viewers eventually get bored and the money goes somewhere else
AGREED
Not watching this year. RB and Max have it on lock as always...such a boring season last year.
Reminds me of a quote by George Carlin, "It's a private club and you ain't in it!"
So?
This is all you need to see. The fact is and I've been saying it since day one, Formula One is just fine taking the American fan's money at 3 different tracks per season but they will NEVER want an American team that CAN COMPETE on that grid. Haas is American only in the regard that the checks get written in North Carolina. Saying Andretti adds no value to Formula One is a slap in the face to Mario Andretti's legacy, his championships and wins, and whether they like Michael or not, they are insulting the American fan base and the Andretti legacy with this reasoning.
Yeah, I'm done watching F1with this decision.
I concur and I have been a fan since the 1960s, but no longer. After the bs with the championship two years ago and now this… F1 can kiss my shiny white ass!
I think you are misunderstanding that statement. While I don't agree with it you have to look at it from their point of view according to the championship itself. It wasn't a dig at Andretti personally. If you get what I am saying.
At this point the HASS F1 car is nothing more than a test mule for the Ferrari, its joke. I will not subscribe to F1 TV this year like I have in the past, I will not watch any races for the first time since the the 80's. F1 has lost at least one long time american fan out of this, I wonder how many others they will lose. Some of us were always there for the racing, and have never watched a single season of DTS. I am fine sticking with IndyCar, IMSA and WEC, screw F1. Funny thing is, I never pull for GM so while I like Andretti, I wouldn't have started pulling for him anyways, but he should have a place on the grid. I was looking forward to seeing how the Andretti Cadillac combo would do. Formula one wants a franchise model but in my opinion anyone who builds a car that fits the formula and can put it on the grid within the percentage of the pole time to be legal and able to pass the crash safety test, should be able to race period. Thats how it always was in F1 but this is more and more of Liberty Media following the NASCAR model, well if they want to go down that road then fine, F1 will lose all of the racing purist you have left because just like with NASCAR, if you start making it about entertainment over racing then they will just stop watching. For me, this is pretty much the last step, just like with NASCAR and their awful playoff, I watched a lot of NASCAR as kid but stopped 20 years ago and have not missed it once since.
@@Lancr-jq2or Normally, I would consider what it actually meant. But Michael's desire to stay living in the US during his short stint as a McLaren driver coupled with his current desire to set his team base up in the US instead of with the other teams in the UK is a sticking point for the Formula 1 powers that be. His desire to do things uniquely American is what bothers them and they are throwing totally bullshit excuses out there, including bringing the Andretti name itself into the conversation, which is disrespectful.
They can't just come out and say it. They're using thinly veild reasons. This is the problem. The Europeans still look at us as 'the colonists' and less than... It's discrimination. The only Americans they want are the ones that will bend to their 'system'.
Haas has operated as a third teir team from the start, and was allowed to do so, because they were given a stern warning their first season to either toe the line and make FIA money, or get lost. Dalton Sargeant is only in F1 (in the slowest damn car on the grid) because he went through the FIA's ladder system. He will NEVER get an opportunity outside the slowest car on the grid if he actually shows improvement. He's stuck right where he is forever. He's not great, I'm not saying he deserves a better car yet, but if he ever did, they'd never consider him.
If Andretti-Cadillac doesn't check enough boxes, then there are almost no possible candidates left.
If a bunch of Saudis and Qataris got together they'd let them on track no questions asked.
Only other possible candidate i could see would be a potential Penske-Porsche project
But Cadillac would not join. Hence, the reference to GM joining would change the picture.
And that is how they want it. F1 is just club racing any more
Well, if you were on the fence and looking for a final valid reason to stop watching F1, there it is.
I stopped watching it a couple of years after Liberty took over.
Too many street tracks, no free-to-air coverage, sprint races, budget restrains for teams that perform the best. The list goes on.
It's been changed from a sport to an entertainment show - just not interesting any more.
As an English racing fan I apologise to Americans for the elitist european biased BS F1 pushes, thing is if Andretti was black, a woman, or pumping blood money they'd be accepted
As an Aussie racing fan it's disgraceful. If it was a Saudi entry they'd be on the track testing next week with customer cars.
Right.Modern F1 Is trash.
Used to love F1 - normally aspirated, lots of builders and engine suppliers … it’s always been somewhat of an elitist series but now it’s just snobbish
Correct. Or transgender.
Haha. Michael Andretti turns into Michelle Andretti tomorrow and gets approved immediately!
Would like to see Andretti refocus their efforts to take on partial ownership in IndyCar and move that series to a higher level.
I would just like to see them actually be competitive in Indycar. They haven't won jack in years.
Indycar is as high as it's going to get.
@@irishmanintexas oh no, Indycar has an almost UNLIMITED celling in america!
@@crazysoundman You do realize there’s more to the world than America, right?
@@irishmanintexasthe way F1 thinks you could turn that statement around.
After nearly 40 years, it’s time for me to say FU to F1.
If that is a definate, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
@@haroldwilson8081 *definite.
"Won't be competitive" Unlike, say... Haas? 🤣
Or Williams the last 10 years. 😂
That’s how they want it. The legacy teams fear anyone that could pose a real threat to actually be anything other than a mid pack back of the field team. Andretti are a threat because they are good
Haas would be rejected if they applied now.
the fact that they say most fans don't know the name Andretti, are you fucking kidding me?
Mario andretti's name means racing That's why he was voted the driver of the century and the quote Sam Posey and his signature rose by it over 200 mph
As a race fan I don't see the value of f1 and its lack luster product when there is better racing products. At this point I would rather go to my local track then pay for the f1 subscription.
Brawn GP totally dominated the 2009 championship without having their own powertrain. Very strange assertion by F1.
Has entered without their own chassis, they outsourced it to Dallara. The three 2010 entries all ran Cosworth. Jord..ah hem...ASTON MARTIN ARAMCO also are a customer team.
Truly this is a dark day for not just F1 but for Motorsport in general, F1 has always been for the big boys but it truly feels that the past 5 years or so, they have forgotten the everyman and focus on the rich ticket.
Forgotten where they've come from, and in chasing a quick buck, are missing the established base that had been there through thick and thin... until recently.
It's no longer a sport, jumped the shark a few years ago. It'll end up going the way of NASCAR, with them wondering where all the fans went. The established base having given up and the current fleeting wider public moving on to the next shiny new thing.
What do you expect from Private Equity owners?
We need to tell F1, pack your bags and get out of America. So tired of this BS.
Actually, I agree. They should have one race in the states st the Circuit of the Americas (COTA), and that's it. The Chicago thing is probably a backup plan for Las Vegas.
NASCAR or SMI out to buy COTA and block F1 from racing, then put on a street race in New York City.
Agreed on that
Eph F Uno! Take your parades elsewhere. More happy to see REAL racing anywhere anytime. Dolts who watched “Drive” are clueless.
You get an Amen from the residents of Las Vegas.
Actual racing, like some passing on the track would add “Value” to F-1.
What, you don’t like the parades every week? With only one or two competitive teams? Instead of the dozen or so teams that have a good chance in Indycar every week? Real racing with actual competition and passing. What a concept! They should try it sometime! The power trains in F1 are sketchy at best and they are inconsistent in F1 from year to year but it’s a great way to piss away tons of money and discourage actual competition. F1 used to be the ne plus ultra of open wheel racing, but now it’s just expensive and boring
SO RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! B-Racing fan since 1964-Gardner
@@markvincent5992Indy Car is pretty much a 3 man show. (Penske, Ganassi and McLaren). They are the only teams committed to running the full season.
@@jamesbraun9842 There's still 11 drivers between those teams.
F1 is merely a technology parade... Yawn 😮
F1: We want more teams on the grid and expand!
Also F1: A new team that’s not a reknown car brand? Oh hell no.
I love driving my Visa Cash App RB and Stake F1 Kick Saubers around town!
They don't even car about manufacturers anymore.
F1 didn't say they want more teams on the grid...
@@evandrochaves9596 this is true. it was the FIA who wants more.
F1 also bought into Meyer Shank Racing.
The FIA wants more teams. FOM does not because FOM only represents the interests of the existing teams, who see it as a way to lose money (in the shortest of terms, although a less shortsighted view would see the opportunities). That's what we're seeing here.
F1 is scared that Michael and his team would kick there ass!
Their. Yes, I agree
They dont want the Andretti team to kick their ass.
Lmaoooo ok
I agree 100%
They can't even kick Penske's ass and they haven't won an Indycar title since 2012? I think thats pretty average.
Uhm, it's the opposite. They do not want mediocre racing teams embarrassing themself in the back of the field.
@@1106Winterindeed. Think Haas.
Iv been a F1 fan for a long time, and this new era of F1 pisses me of to no end..
Join the club, since 30 years ago I've watched F1 at stupid hours here in Australia. Didn't bother last year and definitely won't again. Indycar is a much better product.
Same here. DONE with it. BRING BACK BERNIE!! /s
I gave up on it 3 years ago.. (since the late 60s) but never miss an Indycar race....
There are 6 customer teams: Haas, Williams, Aston Martin, Alpha Tauri, Alfa Romeo, and McLaren. Red Bull too was a customer most of its life.
Plus, Andretti Cadillac would become a supplier once the new engine regs come into effect. To think, with this move, F1 likely ended any chance of ever getting GM as an engine supplier because they definitely don't want to do a works team. I figure for them, it's enter with Andretti, or not at all.
RB is still a customer. When have they ever built an engine?
Man hopefully this turns into some sort of ford vs. Ferrari scenario. GM should be pissed and absolutely spend the next 4 years developing an insane engine and put all the other teams to shame.
I think that's exactly what they are scared of. They don't want to see something like a GT40 in F1 lol.
When was the last time( if ever) GM made a F1 power plant?
@@ronbelanger4113 Because a multi-billion dollar automotive manufacturer, wouldn't be able to simply buy that know how? Or hire those that possess it??
My issue is the dishonesty. F1 keeps denying them for a reason. They resolve that issue only to be told a new reason. They should just admit they won’t add another team. I do not believe GM agreeing to join would lead to them being accepted
All F1 has done has moved the goalposts with every check Andretti and his F1 endeavor hit. It’s just like in Catch-22 where Captain Yossarian’s required mission flights got upped by another five every time he hit the mark to go home.
Because they are afraid of what he can do.
You know what Andretti should do is that they should run the livery (if they have it) that they had planned for F1 and running it at the Indy 500
F1's vanity and spinelessness when presented with a bag of money are genuinely astounding.
I bet Bernie Eccleston would have taken the teams to court and told them to let Andretti in or he wouldn't let them race!
Oh I wish you would THE US IS NO PLACE for F1 you dont understand it never have never will
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEHaaaaaaaaaaa ! cowboy !!
@@polycube868 Bernie would have had Andretti post 20 million pound to his private accounts.
"We race as one conglomerate corporation". That should be their new slogan
"She's just not that into you, bro" -- Best commentary on this
Point 14 is bs. Teams were literally throwing away seasons before regulation changes
This will go down as the moment identified in the future that F1 began it's decline. Hubris peak. This was not a rejection letter, it was a humiliation. They could have said no and worked behind the scenes on the rest. Instead, they listed multiple arbitrary points that only provided another talking point to diss Andretti with.
THe Concorede Agreement states up to 13 teams, and people are pointing at F2 and going but, it's not a feeder series, meantime WEC is not turning away teams (unles you happen to be Vanwall), makes me wonder how long before F1 has another 1990 Group C moment and tries to kill off the WEC again. Andretti are not a one trick pony after all, they already have teams in a ton of series, and Haas add little value given Gene's attitude towards the sport. If Gene sold up or went under, we'd be in this exact situation with 9 teams. The rumors are, as far as I can tel, still swirling that Audi are reconsidering their F1 entry as well. Plus with the way the world is going, what if another 2008 hits and big car makers leave F1 for cheaper, easier to get into series, where does that leave F1?
I hope Audi backs out. I can't wait to see the look of the F1 shareholders when that happens.
That wasn't F1. It was FIA,FIA killed every motorsport category which threatened F1 supremacy,Group C,Group B rally,DTM,Touring car racing.
Fuck F1. I’m done with it. Andretti wouldn’t be competitive? The whole damn sport isn’t competitive.
Will Andretti take this to court? There has been speculation early on that entry would be denied and they would go to court in the EU, I think and most likely win. I can not site the specific law F1 has violated by doing this.
Could probably bring an anti-competitive complaint. Would be a long shot in the EU, might and that a really big might work in the US court system.
@@ARUSApacecarHAMPTON May work in the EU as anti-trust. Potentially a few parallels with the recent European Super League case in football (soccer).
@@JasonCliftJones anti - trust lawsuits take so long, I just don’t see it happening. He would spend more money fighting in court than it would to run one year in F1.
@@ARUSApacecarHAMPTON Yeah, it wouldn't be quick. And it would create so much bad blood too... it'd pretty much only be the route to go if you've given up and want to spite them for future with the entry fee that they don't seemingly want.
I hope the do, Andretti has the go ahead from the FIA. They have legal standing for Anti-competitive behavior from F1 and Liberty Media.
Funny they would say the team wouldn’t be competitive….Did they not see how Max Verstappen waxed 19 other cars last season…..Before taking shots at Andretti they need to look in house at the not competitive thing
I wonder if Andretti would continue his F1 endeavors after this even if Gene Haas called him to offer his team. Really tough to defend this
Haas won’t give up his F1 team ever.
@John-kx3ng maybe not but them finishing last again might change things. I would have never thought Williams would have been sold but yet it was
@@John-kx3ngespecially to Andretti specifically
If that happened I am sure they would block the sale to Andretti, reason who knows, but I am sure they would come up with some reason.
@@tylerensmingerFrank passed and his daughter didn't have the money or know how to get them back. The fact is if Gene Haas gets tired of losing or the check is big enough are he gets out. Which is why he and others at the back voted for this. It makes their value more
Not really all that shocking. I was afraid Michael was wasting his time from the get go but wanted to see him succeed. They were just stringing things along.
I think you can sum it up in two words: *“Boys’ Club.”*
This also makes Haas, Cashgrabtororosso BS (whatever they call it) and Williams at the back worth more
I love the asmr sound in the background of the flooring workers tearing apart your kitchen.
F1 badly wants the US fan base and $$$ but hates America as most Europeans do. Nothing in this evaluation is anything beyond pettiness. I'll stick with IndyCar, as sad as that is...
Outside of Lewis Hamilton I really don’t care for f1 like I used too!
@@miketwotwentyf1 dids it job then, making you like a knob like that lol
Andretti doesn't bring it... GM would, but not Andretti. He doesn't bring the added value that would make their pie any bigger than it is.
Indycar in my opinion is better and I think more fair than f1. I think f1 is more like wwe
@@plisskenationbackfromthede3657 I’ve been watching f1 since 2002! I used to be a Schumacher fan!
The PTSD that the FOM has from the early 2010's is really showing itself. I understand not wanting some random corporation forming a F1 team and running a garage full of mobile chicanes for the season(s). However I believe Andretti's other racing ventures really prove he can build a competitive racing team in just about anything. It really boils down to a "you're not good enough for us" attitude from FOM, the current big 3 being spiteful of a team coming in and not being customers for their engines and second-hand chassis parts, and the FIA and FOM just having beef for whatever reason. Really poor showing from F1 and FOM.
F1 management is beyond abysmal.
As an F1 fan, im dying inside. The only thing worse for me would be this year being another RB dominant year and nothing exciting happening. I hope Andretti makes it one day.
Yeah it doesn’t make any sense! It’s basically discrimination!
Yep, that's the world we have lived in since we crawled out of the ocean and stood upright.
Yup, zero "want to be" teams allowed.
Haven't closely followed F1 since '08, guess I'll just keep doing what I'm doing :)
Renault have been indicating that they need a customer team to be able to keep their engine program alive because the current situation they lack the data to be able to develop and upgrade in an efficient way as the other manufacturer have 2 or more teams running their engines, Mercedes even have 3 customer teams plus the factory backed one. Also GM said they would spin up their engine program if Andretti was given an entry in to the formula 1 grid.
The point about Andretti would require a compulsory power unit and damage the sport because of that, either means that Renault is going to leave Formula 1 in a couple of years or that they don´t consider that engine to be able to be competitive against the other manufacturer.
Andretti is American motorsport legend and EVERYONE knows them whether through formula E, extreme E, Indycar, rally and IMSA or Mario himself and it just felt like disrespect of American motorsport from a organization desperate to get into the country. The privateer that failed in F1 during the early to mid 2010 where banking on the the original cost cap promised which never happened which F1 is now using to prevent Andretti into the sport so pretty much Andretti is being made guilty of issues that F1 themselves caused
Who?
I don’t think I will be renewing my F1TV subscription this year.
I haven’t in two years eff them I just watch the highlights on Monday
I'm not renewing also. I'd rather watch Indycar, IMSA, or WEC anyway.
I refuse to watch one race
I agree! Time they see what losing a US market will do!
I'm with you on this
I’m a big Andretti Autosport fan. I have been an Andretti fan since Andretti-Green. Hearing this news frustrates me tbh. Tbh it feels like Haas was an issue and they realized it too late and have written Andretti off because F1 doesn’t want a repeat. That doesn’t give Andretti Autosport the chance, I almost feel like Cadillac should run a factory team through Andretti as a big ole middle finger.
That would get accepted. That's the whole point. They don't want more customer teams. They want works teams.
Love your tribute to Gil de Ferran in the background.
so when are they axing Hass? or literally half of the back markers that they allow?
Bummer. Was looking forward to seeing f1 in Austin. Won't be buying tickets now.
We knew this was going to happen. They don't want a new team, unless they have manufacturing backing or are willing to give each team a promissory note of $100mil
Not sure F1 should be using the word “competitive”
Lifelong F1 fan from Ireland. Utterly embarrassing to be an F1 fan right now.
Imagine a new team entering with a new power unit manufacturer from the start. Even McLaren massively struggled with Honda a couple of years ago. F1 has become such a joke.
I would love to see another constructor championship in the US, much like CART used to be. No hybrid nonsense, V10 or V8 NA power. Indycar is stale, This is a chance to bring the racing that F1 and Indycar fans want to see. Make it about the racing again and not the money and sponsors.
I believe I suggested just that a few videos back!
@@DavidLand91 You did, was it the video where you were talking about the Hybrid powertrains being delayed in Indy because they basically don't work?
Racing a cash fueled hobby, outdated engine/fuel setup. Best to go watch racing from 20 plus years ago.
I think the 2028 invitation is a cop out. It’s clear the F1 teams don’t think the $200M anti-dilution fee in the Concorde Agreement is enough. So they’re saying, “by all means, Andretti, come back in 2028!” while knowing that there will be a new Concorde Agreement negotiated in the meantime that changes the anti-dilution fee to something outrageous like $1.5B
David, well put.
The background audio though, man, you had me thinking stuff was breaking in my house lol.
Awful decision.
Very balance comments, all the European fans want more cars on the grid and love the Andretti legacy THEY WILL BE PISSED that they are not included.
Okay, you have the soap box get up on it ! F1 says having Andretti in F1 would not add any money to F1, how about F1 not having race fans attend their 3 US races? Time to start a US boycott of F1 in this country ! F1 needs the US races more than the US needs F1 ! Also, correct me if I am wrong Hass not only does not build their own power plants they also do not build their own cars or at least they didn't in the past ! David as you are big fan of Indy car not having F1 in the US would be a big boost to Indy car ! Like I said GET ON YOUR SOAP BOX AND START A BOYCOTT OF F1. I am not a big fan of Michael Andretti but I am a big fan of right and wrong! The Haas team has in the past not been able to get out of their own way on the track but still they are in F1 !
How on earth would Andretti damage the value of the championship at all?!
Showing up with a piece of paper and expecting to be allowed in?
Well said David.But PLEASE PLEASE these out as podcast aswell.
The only way for Andretti to get in now is to somehow get Taylor Swift involved.
Touche!
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A few years ago Michael had a chance to buy half of the AlphaTauri team for less than the FIA new team application fee. I think that was his best, and possibly only, chance to own a F1 team. He could have bought in, spent a few years learning about F1, and by now would own the entire team!
The other problem is his lack of a driver. Herta peaked a few years ago, his career isn't over but he seems to have lost his focus, even scheduling the album release party for the Zips new album the night before a race and staying until th wee hours of the morning. Colton ain't makin it to F1! Michael did have 3 other drivers that already had Super Licenses, but due to Team Andretti internal drama they have gone elsewhere.
Great analysis Dave! I hope you have. great season! You sporting the mullet this year? NICE!
Only thing that surprises me is it took this long for them to tell Andretti to eff off. In the eyes of the Teams and Overlords 200 million entry fee is vastly undervalued now compared to when the Concorde Agreement was signed. There won't be any new teams regardless of who knocks at the door until the next Concorde Agreement is in place and the entry fee is substantially higher.
Also expected this kind of response the minute the Andrettis started publically politicking, not a wise move when you are dealing with the masters of politicking.
They have been saying this for several years. No more customer teams.
All I can say is…
NASCAR would love to have them. If they could be the Honda team for NASCAR there’s the new manufacturer.
I wish GM would respond by pulling out of all FIA series. Drop the Corvette and Cadillac programs effective immediately. Won't ever happen but it would be a nice FU. About the only other thing that could be done is for American fans to boycott the US races.
That would be really nice. I hope GM at least sticks to their guns like they said we are only doing F1 with Andretti.
The only problem is that the FIA is actually on Andretti's side: they validated their proposal.
It is actually F1 that came up with an absurd logic to negate the new team slot to Andretti.
@@GreatAsaf I know but the FIA either needs to step in and take back control from the teams or sit back and watch the sport die.
The FIA is the only part of the Formula One power structure that has supported Andretti's efforts. Pulling out of the FIA series is not the answer. WEC has nothing to do with Formula One Management or Liberty Media.
The FIA doesn't care....in the WEC their absence won't be missed
11:42 David recorded this at the dentist office. That's dedication
tldr we don't want the cake to be split into more shares
Needs pinned
F1 is happy with that embarrassment Haas representing the US! Not a real team like Andretti Cadillac would be!
Like Andretti Cadillac with Renault power?
So basically their repeated statements/case revolves around Andretti not bringing value to F1 'THAT IS LUDICROUS' repeat that with me. They bring a fresh car, engine, new driver opportunities and the ENTIRE American market. Did Liberty Media get paid-off, or whacked in the head or something. Andretti are an obvious win for F1.
People don't remember F1 teams having to pre-qualify to participate in the main qualifying session during 1988-1994 F1 seasons. Zakespeed, EuroBrun, Rial, Coloni, Subaru, AGS, Life, Onyx, are some of the most unprofessional teams to participate in pre-qualifying.
Couldn't agree more! Remember when the Jordan 191 came out of prequalifying obscurity? Incredible days!
On point 17, I would ask, and which tracks exactly cannot accommodate 22 cars? All the classic tracks have enough room for more than 22. And the newer tracks have extra garages for FIA provided media space that the Brad Pitt F1 movie folks have been using. I'm not aware of a single track on the calendar that couldn't handle 22 cars. And promoters would love to see the Andretti name at their races.
So stupid. You want more fans, more cars then. Are they scared of Andretti ?? Scared of American racing. This isn’t some crap Haas team
They're not scared. It's about money and greed. Corporate America invented greed, by the way.
Haas/Andretti , same stuff different pile.
ABSURD ABSURD ABSOLUTELY ABSURD!!!!!!!!
Forget F1. Boring racing and toxic environment. NASCAR and Indycar are by far the superior organizations from a competition and management standpoint.
NASCAR hasn't been that exciting either. He needs to make his Indycar teams more competitive against the Penske & Ganassi teams.
@@ChadSimpliciothe Xfinity series and the other series of Nascar like the pintys series Mexico series whelen modified series are fun to watch it's not Nascar as a whole that isn't exciting it's just the cup series that isn't exciting
Compare the Andretti bid to the gargantuan works plan of Audi for 2026.
I disagree a bit on your last point. Andretti joining F1, and the technical knowledge that comes along with it, could make them even more competitive in IndyCar. This could also attract more F1 fans to IndyCar.
I know it won’t make a dent, but guess I’ll be saving by not renewing my F1TV account. Supercross, WEC and IndyCar all have better racing and don’t treat Americans like crap. Will stick to the highlights.
Watch IMSA. WEC is run under the FIA umbrella as well.
No fan should show up to any American race! Do not go to any f1 American grand prix!!!!
I know I won't be there.
I agree with what you said, but I got got a feeling that when f1 races their first U.S. grand prix of the season, everyone will just forget about it and move on. Hope not, tho.
Lmaooo they dont want you, thats why the video was made
Can you even afford the fuel to get to one?
@@ronbelanger4113 not me but the people who do shouldn't go.
F1 adding more races in the United States and rejecting a USA based team is a slap in the face! They come here rake millions and we can’t have a team smh
"Adding value" should never be an assessment for team entry to a sport. Oh wait, I'd forgotten that F1 is the new WWF. Scandalous. Notice also that they have kicked reapplication down the road until 2028 - if that doesn't make their sheer greed transparent I don't know what does. I will not be watching it again after 50 years of following it. The final straw. I will return when the FIA regains control of its own sport. It may be a long wait...
Andretti now has the money for investment. Penske needs to sell the series to the Andretti family so they can make the sport a technological powerhouse the fans deserve. Gugenheim will be like liberty media. Cadillac will replace Chevy on the engine cover. Then we set our sights on F1 and attack mercilessly.
I like it!!!!
Spot on , thank you very much .
Good analysis of F1 politics/rhetoric .
Honest , and to me quite truthful !
( BTW it was great to see ya at AMR w/Xander )
Great work , Thanks again
I'm really glad that I migrated to the NASCAR/IndyCar fan base as an F1 fan since 8 years. The politics in the sport are embarrassing. Formula 1 and Liberty bring no value to me. Greatings from Germany.
I’ve been a racing fan since the mid 90s and the politics of F1 have always kept me at a distance. I watch it here and there but it won’t allow me to fully embrace it, this another example.
Everyday is a good day when David uploads. Great to see you back on the grind my friend. Keep up the uploads
Andretti shows up at Barcelona testing sees how it stacks up against the “established” teams
Hi David! Another great video! Nice to hear your opinion on the situation at hand! 😃
I'm pretty disappointed myself in F1 despite having been a fan for as long as I can remember. It's all become a bit of a boys club in recent years and FOM's reasoning behind this rejection has quite frankly put me off the sport in general.
I pretty much agree with everything you covered in this video, but I would like to mention a couple of things that you might find interesting! Firstly, even if F1 brings more value to the Andretti brand than Andretti would to them, I can't see any reason why that would necessarily be a bad thing for them? I find it extremely hard to believe that Andretti would bring nothing to the table at all, especially in the United States, with regards to commercial value and with the ever increasing US fan base and expansion for F1, I would argue that the Andretti name alone would get people out of their homes, going to races and subscribing to F1 related content avenues almost immediately. Not only in North America, but also in the South American and Canadian markets where F1 already has some sort of presence. Word travels quickly these days! 🌎
Secondly, I'd argue that FOM's point on an 11th team creating "an operational burden on race promoters, subjecting some of them to significant costs and reducing the technical, operational and commercial spaces of the other competitors." is a complete joke. As far as I'm aware, to get an FIA Grade 1 circuit lisence you are required to have the facilities to host 26 competitors and have spare garage space for the safety & medical teams as well as scrutineering. Considering the calendar is not that much different than it was back in 2012 (where there were 24 cars on the grid), I refuse to accept that this is even a valid reason for refusal of an 11th team on the grid. As F1 has fairly "small" grid, teams at the moment are allowed 3 single garages for the 2 cars compared to previously. Some racing series like the WEC & IMSA who race at the same circuits will have 40+ entrants at the same events. If the teams all agreed on a 26-car limit, but don't want even want 22 cars on the grid, why sign the concorde agreement at all? Grid limits, facility requirements, the cost cap & anti-dilution funds are there so that new teams are able to join the grid sustainably, and in F1's own words, the cost cap is designed to allow teams in the lower half of the grid to become competitive at a fraction of the cost compared to the big manufacturers in the past. 🤷🏼♂
It's all become a bit of a boys club now & I think F1 need to be really careful about how they play this because they'll end up burning bridges with people in the United States, as well as the rest of the world. Not forgetting it may also put other possible new entrants off even attempting to join! Even manufacturers they may want! They need to realise that it's the privateer teams like Andretti (Williams, Sauber, McLaren etc.) that are still on the grid but manufacturers like BMW, Toyota, Honda and the likes that can pull the plug on an F1 project at any point without any significant financial burden. 🤷🏼♂
Anyways, rant over! 🤣 Keep up the great work David! Excited to see the content you've got coming for the rest of the year! 😎
Imagine if Andretti spent as much money in Indycar that they would have spent in F1? Not just racing, but investment in venues, advertising and marketing, seed money for real technological change, etc.