Canadian Ross MkIII Sniper Rifle with Warner & Swasey Scope

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  • @KB_Prime
    @KB_Prime 4 ปีที่แล้ว +246

    A bit of background on the scope's original owner:
    Patrick Augustine Bates, r/n 234399 was born August 04, 1889 at Sydney Nova Scotia. Two brothers served with the 25th (Nova Scotia) Battalion, one of whom died at Vimy Ridge.. He enlisted with the 203rd (Winnipeg Rifles) Battalion on March 23, 1916 at Winnipeg. Went to England with the 203rd aboard SS Grampian from Halifax to Liverpool, October 24 to November 04, 1916. Posted to Bramshott Camp on arrival. Posted to the 78th (Winnipeg Grenadiers) Battalion on December 28, 1916 and proceeded to France. Joined the 78th on January 04, 1917 at Vimy Ridge near Souchez. Seriously wounded on November 06, 1918 in the left arm, (compound fractures of Radius, Ulna, and some Metacarpels of left hand), back and left thigh by gunshots and shrapnel while crossing the Grand Honelle River near Quarouble. By successfully crossing the river, the 78th became the first CEF unit to enter Belgium. That night, the battalion went into reserve in billets near Anzin, and did not see any more combat before the Armistice.
    Bates was invalided to England on November 11, 1918, and spent the next six months in hospital. He returned to Canada in May 1919, and was admitted to the Dominion Orthopaedic Hospital at Toronto. His left arm was not healing as hoped, and he had severe movement limits. On July 11, 1919, his left arm was amputated below the elbow. He remained in hospital in Toronto until January 1920, when he was transferred to Halifax. He was discharged as medically unfit at Halifax on January 30, 1920. Bates died at Halifax on February 24, 1976.

    • @joshy7759
      @joshy7759 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      And to think some German guy died or had a hospital visit on the other side of this story. WW1 is a mess. I truly can't even comprehend the fact that there were MILLIONS of stories like this to come out of just four years in history. Thanks for the history, (you and Ian!) it always makes me look at these in a different light when I have a story with them. (A pistol, I believe, had a similar treatment on here.)

    • @TooPassionate
      @TooPassionate 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Excellent research Kris. Is there any way I can contact you? JOHN

    • @robertladd6762
      @robertladd6762 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you Patrick Augustine Bates I'm Lakota we recognize and honor warriors,know that you are both

    • @AK47Bait
      @AK47Bait 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      KB-Prime you beat me to it! Great work.

  • @aronk8810
    @aronk8810 4 ปีที่แล้ว +175

    "There were issues with the Ross" It's only March, and Ian is already putting in a solid contender for understatement of the year.

    • @Flaming1100
      @Flaming1100 4 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      It would have worked fine as long as no one took it outdoors.

    • @jackandersen1262
      @jackandersen1262 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Flaming1100 and put shit ammo into them, or used them anywhere outside the target range.

    • @JungleScene
      @JungleScene 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Flaming1100 or put a bayonet on it

    • @jackandersen1262
      @jackandersen1262 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      PureRushXevus the Ross rifle was a very good target rifle which in matches against other military rifles made people question if this was actually a military rifle, given how accurate it was. This however resulted in a rifle that was not fit for the front lines and it showed, badly.

    • @mrdanforth3744
      @mrdanforth3744 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      In Gordon Sinclair's book Footloose in India, he says he was surprised that the Canadian Ross rifle was a favorite of Indian big game hunters especially for tiger shooting. Apparently they were an excellent rifle but did not tolerate dirt, mud, lack of maintenance and bad ammunition. These were not a problem with the big game hunters but were a problem in trench warfare. It seems the Ross was developed as a sporting rifle and in that role worked well.

  • @l00t3R
    @l00t3R 4 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    I love it when there is actually documented history with the piece.

  • @GeraudRulz
    @GeraudRulz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +178

    I bet the owner of that scope and rifle has looked everywhere to try and find the matching serial number. Getting off by only 4 digits is pretty close at least.

    • @john-paulsilke893
      @john-paulsilke893 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      That might actually be an “original” rifle. I have witnessed DM’s and even on one occasion an actual sniper testing out a bunch of rifles and swapping parts with other soldiers until they were satisfied. He may have found someone in his company who’s rifle “felt/shot” better and swapped with him. I would have readily traded my bcg or even whole rifle, (obviously after the arsenal sgt approved) with such a person.

    • @colemanmoore9871
      @colemanmoore9871 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Since that scope was likely in the war and the rifle didn't leave Canada, the rifle might have been destroyed or damaged in combat.

    • @john-paulsilke893
      @john-paulsilke893 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Coleman Moore it could have been an over seas trainer or since it was a sniper very gently handled. Very odd to find near consecutive serial numbers from rifles so far apart at issue. When we switched from FN’s to C7’s many Canadians in the same unit had consecutive serial rifles. Even six or seven years later when I joined up there were still a few sometimes at platoon level with consecutive digits. However they could simply have accurized a serial range and thus every gun plus or minus 100 or so digits could all be snipers making this far more likely then it seems on the surface.

    • @carlgustav2982
      @carlgustav2982 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@john-paulsilke893 My driver and I had rifles with consecutive serial numbers from 2013-2015.

  • @althesmith
    @althesmith 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I have a Nova Scotia soldier's diary from 1916 with the following poem:
    "There once was a raw young galoot,
    A Canadian Militia Recruit,
    His Ross Rifle one day
    In disgust threw away,
    He wanted a gun that would shoot."

  • @VE4SIG
    @VE4SIG 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Small world (war). My grandfather was in the 78th (Winnipeg Grenadiers) and was at Vimy Ridge where he was wounded. While convalescing in Blighty he met my Grandmother. He was a Lewis Gun Section Commander (so I watched the Lewis Gun video with great interest). His brother (also in the 78th) was lost (literally) at Vimy.

  • @donlahey1734
    @donlahey1734 4 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    The history you bring to the table with your research is priceless!!!

  • @BROTRRer
    @BROTRRer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    Fireplace guy: "I have an impressive collection of rare firearms"
    Shelves guy: "hold my beer"

  • @JohnCenaRektU
    @JohnCenaRektU 4 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    "F, K", says Ian pointing at the two carved out rectangulars

    • @AshleyPomeroy
      @AshleyPomeroy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Clear as a crisp spring morning. It never fails.

    • @a.rogers1403
      @a.rogers1403 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AshleyPomeroy Good to know I wasn't the only one thinking "F.K. . . . In the coffee" !

  • @keithferguson7779
    @keithferguson7779 4 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    WW1 deadliest sniper Canadian Francis Pegahmagabow used the much-maligned Ross rifle and was credited with killing 378 Germans and capturing 300 more.

    • @wingracer1614
      @wingracer1614 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Much maligned in infantry use but may very well have been the best sniper in WWI

    • @thomasmcfaul875
      @thomasmcfaul875 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      A true ghost in the trenches

    • @robertmccardle5113
      @robertmccardle5113 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      my choice for the five dollar bill.

    • @ramonandrajo6348
      @ramonandrajo6348 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Riiiiiiiiiiiight. ;)

    • @silverseth7
      @silverseth7 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      When the Ammo's made-to-spec instead of British retooled-left-overs

  • @lauratatsch1066
    @lauratatsch1066 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Haven't had a chance to test if it holds zero, but mounts just fine and has nice clear glass. Centered vertically true to a plumb line with the crosshairs which is always a plus!It's a great th-cam.com/users/postUgkxc4K63Fd5LglDMObu7-Bgapxp_ef0W8hE scope. There's no parallax adjustment or focus ring, so may be limited to 3-7x, have to see how it is on the range. Also be aware that the rings are "look through" so you can still use irons, but they are really tall if you only intend to use the optics. On a 22LR no biggie since I'm not shooting competitions or worried about a hard cheek press. Will boresight and range test, if all goes well, I'll leave it at that!

  • @itsconnorstime
    @itsconnorstime 4 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    I do like the Warner and Swasey scopes. They look so dumb in a cool kind of way.

    • @LoneWolf051
      @LoneWolf051 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      the ultimate Steampunk scopes

    • @BleedingUranium
      @BleedingUranium 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      And for all the issues Ian listed, a five-power magnification is pretty fantastic for WWI.

    • @itsconnorstime
      @itsconnorstime 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@BleedingUranium pretty good for WW2 as well, most were 4x at most

    • @chuckcochran8599
      @chuckcochran8599 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      They do look unique. Warned &Swasey's are a really ahead of there time in concept. It's too bad that the technology of coated lenses and Nitrogen purging weren't in use at the time. It might have improved how they worked a great deal (a lot of early scopes had similar issues). The offset mount was an issue that one wonders why the didn't figure that it affected function like it did, though part of that was an Ordinance ignorance issue as they insisted upon stripper clip recharging, which really wasn't needed for the snipers.
      Such a rare gun that one wouldn't want to alter it, but I can't help but wonder how the Ross would perform with a decent modern scope on it.

    • @kevinoliver3083
      @kevinoliver3083 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@BleedingUraniumGiven that most WW1 sniping took place at 300yds, or less, 5x was unnecessary and does not compensate for the Warner & Swasey's disadvantages.

  • @johnlatham6213
    @johnlatham6213 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    If you haven't already, I highly suggest reading Herbert McBride's "A Rifleman Went To War". He used the Ross as a front line weapon and also as a sniper weapon. He served as a Captain in the Indiana National Guard but accepted a position as a Private in the Canadian Army. He took part in the Battle of Ypres (he pronounced wipers). Great book. May be available from the NRA library.

  • @turbogerbil2935
    @turbogerbil2935 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good relevant read is "A Rifleman went to war" by Herbert W McBride. A US citizen who joined the Canadian army and went to France. Apart from being an excellent and engaging wartime account and social observation, the book is an important reference for firearms historians because McBride was both a sniper and a machine gunner, and gives a first-hand account of those weapon systems in use. He did use a Ross with a W&S scope. IIRC he describes tightening the scope mount by jamming a bit of razor blade into the slide and allowing it to rust solid!.

  • @derekheuring2984
    @derekheuring2984 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for very interesting video on the Ross MkIII sniper rifle Ian. I recently purchased a near mint Ross MkIII that was one of the thousand that were built in Early 1914 and eventually ended up in the hands of the British Home Guard. Owning one of these rifles was very important and meaningful to me as three brothers whom I’m related to served with the 100th Battalion of the Winnipeg Grenadiers and would have most certainly been issued a Ross initially. All three of my relatives survived the war, although one was wounded and spent some time in a French hospital. Once again, thank you!

  • @Foxymoron88
    @Foxymoron88 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Would love to see 9-hole reviews put one of these through its paces on the practical accuracy course!

    • @VexChoccyMilk
      @VexChoccyMilk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Short episode ;)

    • @minuteman4199
      @minuteman4199 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's exactly what I said...before I scrolled down and saw your comment. Great minds think alike.

  • @Eddy11391
    @Eddy11391 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you. It was in time for guests.

  • @davelavalee3265
    @davelavalee3265 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Francis pegahmagabow racked up 378 confirmed kills with this weapond during WW1.

  • @qingyunwang3802
    @qingyunwang3802 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    MAN AND RIFLE A MARKSMAN AND A SCOUT REVEALED

    • @viper2-168
      @viper2-168 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Qingyun Wang MOVE BETWEEN THE LINES

    • @qingyunwang3802
      @qingyunwang3802 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@viper2-168 A SOLDIER BREAKING THE CONFINES

    • @thomasmcfaul875
      @thomasmcfaul875 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      MAKES HIS WAY FROM TRENCH TO TRENCH ALONE, MOVING UNDETECTED

    • @bigredwolf6
      @bigredwolf6 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      INVOKE THE SPIRIT OF THE WIND!!

  • @justinheritage8935
    @justinheritage8935 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Francis Pegahmagabow liked this video

    • @UmamiJarate
      @UmamiJarate 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      PEGGY APPROVED

    • @CooperHudgins
      @CooperHudgins 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I bet he did😎🇨🇦

  • @v22058
    @v22058 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Private Patrick Augustine Bates, Regimental number 234399 enlisted with the 203rd battalion and served with the 78th Battalion Winnipeg Grenadiers from 23 December 1916 to 6 November 1918 on which day he was wounded in the left arm and right leg. He survived the war coming back to Canada in 1919, and passed away in 1976.

  • @ad2309
    @ad2309 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very cool. My grandfather (born 1888) went over seas during WW1 in the Canadain army. Luckly for me he wasn't a front line combatant, becasue that would have greatly reduced the chances of my being born.
    I temember my my Dad & uncle were talking about rifles used for hunting deer discussing the Ross and its reputation.
    Cheers

  • @archenema6792
    @archenema6792 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    All those flathead screws. Those scopes must have been real knucklebusters on maintenance and cleaning.

  • @haraldblotand5460
    @haraldblotand5460 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Am I the only one here who is interested in seeing Ian's own collection. He must have had the opportunity to collect some cool guns over the years.

    • @voiceofraisin3778
      @voiceofraisin3778 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He did an ad/educational for the people who put up his display wall a few years back and he did a bit of show and tell so you can see a bit of it.

  • @howardchambers9679
    @howardchambers9679 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just read your interview with Forbes. I concur, it's about the history not the politics. Also I'm one of the 55% that isn't from the US. Keep it going Ian. Best channel on YT

  • @charles_wipman
    @charles_wipman 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really nice to be able to track the unit where the rifle served.

  • @johnmorgan1629
    @johnmorgan1629 4 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Showing the rifles on the table from the side, it looks like someone has stuffed the sorting hat from Harry Potter into the rear of the scope. Or at least an old school listening trumpet.

    • @Taistelukalkkuna
      @Taistelukalkkuna 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      WHAT? I CAN´T HEAR YOU! SOMEONE STOLE MY EAR TRUMPET!

    • @johnmorgan1629
      @johnmorgan1629 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Taistelukalkkuna Pardon.

    • @Spartan265
      @Spartan265 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Lol you get sorted when you look through the scope.
      (Sorting hat voice) better be: INFANTRY!

    • @ZGryphon
      @ZGryphon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That, or some U-Boat captain is standing by his partly dismantled periscope and demanding of his executive officer, "Hans, wo ist mein Okular?!"

  • @stone9302
    @stone9302 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Ian, I know it has nothing to do with the subject of the video, but I wanted to take the moment to thank you for your fantastic book. I got it on Monday and have only skimmed it so far, but even with that small amount of reading it is the best gun book I own. Thank you.

  • @chuckcochran8599
    @chuckcochran8599 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    One can't help but wonder how the Ross would perform with a really decent modern scope on it.

  • @chewyduck1355
    @chewyduck1355 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Another video on a Ross variant. Great stuff!

  • @nicholaspatton5590
    @nicholaspatton5590 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Some German Sniper: Look at that God awful scope, the poor bastard. I'm not even going to shoot him.
    Francis Pegahmagabow, standing over the German at night: I heard you making fun of my scope, boy.

  • @neilybobber694
    @neilybobber694 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ian is like the Bob Ross of guns...
    Great to listen to before bed and super informative :).
    Love the videos , keep it up

  • @kitso_2b68
    @kitso_2b68 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I've heard Mr. Bates was promoted to the rank of Master...

  • @Spartan265
    @Spartan265 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man I love this channel. History and guns. Some of my favorite things.

  • @loupiscanis9449
    @loupiscanis9449 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you , Ian .

  • @aarondevaldez9134
    @aarondevaldez9134 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the video I've been waiting for!!! Thanks, Ian!

  • @kevinoliver3083
    @kevinoliver3083 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Ross Mk.III snipers were also used in WW2.
    One reason the scopes may be mismatched is that they and the rifles were stored separately between the Wars.

  • @Theporkchopsandwhich
    @Theporkchopsandwhich 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    @forgottenweapons cool Winnipeg Manitoba connection. Camp Hughes located near by was probably where the winnipeg grenadiers trained for trench warfare in france. The trenches are still visible today.

  • @johnmcgovern5372
    @johnmcgovern5372 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I couldn't help thinking of Beavis and Butthead when Ian said "Mister Bates"

  • @AK47Bait
    @AK47Bait 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Private Patrick Augustine Bates is recorded to have been born on 4 August 1889 at Sydney, Nova Scotia to Mark Joseph Bates (b. 1851) and Mary Jane Burke (1854-1929).
    He enlisted with the 203rd Overseas Battalion, Canadian Expeditionary Force on 23 March 1916 at Winnipeg, Manitoba. He indicated on his attestation papers he was resident at Mansion House, Main Street, Winnipeg, Manitoba and was an unmarried farmer. He had no previous military experience.
    He stood 5 feet and 5 and one half inches tall and weighed 125 pounds upon his enlistment and indicated his was of the Roman Catholic Faith.
    Of note, the birth year for this soldier was initially written as 1899, making him 19-years old at enlistment but it was amended to 1889 later. The nature of this error is unknown.
    He served with the 203rd O/S Battalion until transferred to a combat unit. His battalion arrived in England aboard the SS Grampian on 4 November 1916. He was transferred to the 78th Battalion on 28 December 1916 at Bramshott Military Camp.
    The 78th Battalion (Winnipeg Grenadiers) was formed 10 July 1915 and arrived in Britian 20 May 1916 and began its overseas service on 13 August 1916. He was part of the 12th Brigade, 4 Division of the Canadian Corps.
    He was awarded a Good Conduct Badge and a Military Medal for his service on 23 March 1918. Reference London Gazette. No. 31142 dated 24 January 1919.
    He was wounded in action on 6 November 1918 according to his service record, just five days before the Armistice was signed. The 78th Battalion War diary does not list any soldiers wounded or killed on that day, but on the previous day it was engaged with against the Germans near River Grand Rhonelle and suffered 1 KIA and 20 wounded while taking 90 German prisoners and capturing German machine guns. With his wounding he was returned to England for treatment and was invalided to Canada on 23 May 1919.
    He was wounded in his left hand and right thigh.
    Returning to Canada he is listed as being on strength at Military District No. 2, Toronto, Ontario for treatment and rehabilitation of his wounds at Dominion Orthopedic Hospital and then transferred to Cogwell Military Hospital, Halifax Nova, Scotia on 26 January 1920.
    During his treatment it was apparent his left hand and wrist would not heal as the bones were fused. His left arm was amputated on 10 August 1919 and he was sent to Toronto to have an artificial arm fitted.
    During his stay at hospital he was AWL and "admonished" but the officer commanding.
    He was discharged from service on 30 January 1920 at Halifax, Nova Scotia with the rank of Private. He did indicate where he planned to reside as he planned to return home to Sydney, Nova Scotia.
    His records show he lived at 110 Intercolonial Street, Sydney, Nova Scotia and his place of residence was later amended to 17 North Park Street, Halifax, Nova Scotia in 1922.
    He married Emma Florence Johnson at Halifax, Nova Scotia on 18 September 1935
    He died on 24 February 1976 at Fairview Villa, Halifax, Nova Scotia. He is buried at the Fort Massey Cemetery, Halifax, Nova Scotia.
    Notes:
    The 78th Battalion war diary may contain entries about this soldier but most CEF war diaries only listed other rank names and service numbers for specific acts of valour or similar.
    His service record appears to make no mention of his role as a sniper. This position was considered a step above a common soldier and generally was a separate unit from the main battalion body with an officer overseeing their care and deployment.

  • @christianlight8511
    @christianlight8511 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    We always enjoy your videos Ian. You're the man!

  • @samuel88andrews
    @samuel88andrews 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I wish someone would make an old fashioned military rifle like this or a mauser (full stock and adjustable irons) these days. I'd give my left kidney just to have a old style bolt gun made with modern machining and possibly even a polymer stock.

    • @Prairietrucker
      @Prairietrucker 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Any high end hunting rifle would fit that criteria. Mauser is still made in Germany to if have the $$$$

    • @ryancook6452
      @ryancook6452 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You're better off having a gun Smith making you a wooden stock for any marksmanship rifle you want. It will cost you about the same.
      Alternatively just buy a good condition old gun. The no4 Enfields come in paper and wax wrapping if you want one brand new.
      The machining quality of rifles hasn't really changed, I believe the bulgarians had k98s up till the 70s

    • @chrthiel
      @chrthiel 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Look for Mannlicher style stocks. The Bavarian carbine version of the SAKO 85 has a full stock

    • @marcmomus
      @marcmomus 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Have a look at Purdey’s new bolt action rifle. See gunsonpegs.com. Going for merely £30,000.

    • @mrb692
      @mrb692 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ryan cook Where can someone buy a 75 year old new rifle? Asking for a friend

  • @Bobbb-f3i
    @Bobbb-f3i ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm playing sniper elite 4 and just saw this rifle and that sight is fascinating

  • @zacharyrollick6169
    @zacharyrollick6169 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ian, got my books. Thanks a lot.

  • @jorisvanoeffel4721
    @jorisvanoeffel4721 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    This weapon was OP in BF1

    • @bl4cksp1d3r
      @bl4cksp1d3r 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I enjoy the SMLE more. Especially with the 2x magnification. But yeah, it was, just like that darn Obrez pistol >:c

    • @onemoblzo
      @onemoblzo 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Facts

  • @Sir.Craze-
    @Sir.Craze- 4 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Canadian\Myself: Hey now. The British love us and absolutely would have supplied us with scop...
    British Gentleman: YOU SIT DOWN AND SHUT YOUR BLOODY MOUTH COLONIAL! I'll tell you when you're to be heard from.
    Canadian: Indeed, Sir. They are your optics after all. Much pardons, your honour. You see, sir. I used your spelling of *"honour"* not the American, so you know how much we appreciate all the wonderful things you gave us, Sir!
    Hmm... Maybe I get your point... 🤔

    • @thisTG
      @thisTG 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I mean, Canada was a Dominion and not a Colony at this point. There is a difference, though it doesn't include complete independence...

    • @dellawrence4323
      @dellawrence4323 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Well, you are right about one thing, I am British and we do love or Canadian brothers, they are our oldest and most loyal allies. also as the gentleman below points out, during WW1 Canada was a Dominion and not a Colony.

    • @someguy3766
      @someguy3766 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Quite colonial, insubordination shall not be tolerated by the Motherland. God save the queen whatho!

    • @skylongskylong1982
      @skylongskylong1982 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      xXSir.CrazeXx Now this question has nothing to do with firearms, but as a Canadian you might be able to answer this Modern Canadian history question.
      When Canada changed its flag design in 1964, was there a National vote asking the Canadian people, as happened In New Zealand last year , or did elected Government just change it ?
      The latter piece of information I cannot find anywhere .

    • @jhint1929
      @jhint1929 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Canadians have the English stamp of approval from me.

  • @danieldalessandro96
    @danieldalessandro96 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He doesn't just find 1. No no, he finds 2...

  • @spectrumstudios4848
    @spectrumstudios4848 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is my favorite rifle in bf1. Its good to know that there are ww1 sniper rifles still around.

  • @robertladd6762
    @robertladd6762 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Ian keep up the good work,love it

  • @TheNightlessFall
    @TheNightlessFall ปีที่แล้ว +1

    francis pegahmagabow: *Happy noise*

  • @bucky5206
    @bucky5206 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That and caf never gets rid of anything till it's completely wore out eg. We still use high powers

  • @recipio6561
    @recipio6561 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Interesting. Ian, can you do a Lee Enfield WW1 sniper rifle. The mount had to be offset to the left as well. to allow top loading ?

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      th-cam.com/video/YgalmEmBx1s/w-d-xo.html

    • @recipio6561
      @recipio6561 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@ForgottenWeapons Just watched, many thanks. !

  • @hoosker1620
    @hoosker1620 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I hope he writes another book on British or American firearms

  • @ashokf50
    @ashokf50 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn, the Winchester series has go tme addicted to this channel!!!

  • @AnonymousAlcoholic772
    @AnonymousAlcoholic772 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Just saw the forbes article. Outstanding! Should really help your exposure in a good way.

  • @jerryjohnsonii4181
    @jerryjohnsonii4181 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very Cool Canadian Ross MKIII sniper Rifles !!!!!!!!!!!!! Interesting scope too.

  • @elite1003
    @elite1003 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I no no one will believe me but those are my grand fathers guns can't believe I missed meeting Ian lol

    • @TotallyNotRedneckYall
      @TotallyNotRedneckYall 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If my grandpa met gun jesus and didn't bring me I'd be pissed 🔥🤬🔥

  • @rageinthekage4247
    @rageinthekage4247 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My Father would have trained with those in 1941 - 42, before being issued his Enfield. Cool.

  • @hellion1770
    @hellion1770 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting big thanks to the owner.

  • @Spitsz01
    @Spitsz01 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Reminds me of Joseph Boyden's "'Through Black Spruce'".

  • @PRACERZ
    @PRACERZ 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for another great history lesson !!!

  • @minuteman4199
    @minuteman4199 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It'd be nice to see what 9 Hole Review could do with one of those.

  • @danielburgess7785
    @danielburgess7785 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can't talk about Vimy Ridge without talking about chlorine gas.

    • @JTViper
      @JTViper 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Or the Creeping Barrage... Or the groundbreaking use of radio communications from spotter aircraft... Or the widespread usage of and training on maps issued to small units...
      Vimy was revolutionary in so many ways.

    • @danielburgess7785
      @danielburgess7785 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JTViper None of those things should be forgotten, nor what I mentioned. History is a messy dish.

  • @Moondog66602
    @Moondog66602 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Congratulations on the Forbes article Ian!

  • @themeatpopsicle
    @themeatpopsicle 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    2400 yards, huh? Were snipers hitting targets out to that distance or was it just very very optimistic?

    • @mrkeogh
      @mrkeogh 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Harassing snipes?

    • @moosemaimer
      @moosemaimer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      The _math_ says the bullet will go that far, when fired at that angle... the likelihood of _seeing_ a target at that range with such a low-power optic is almost as low as your chances of hitting it.

    • @lancesoterion435
      @lancesoterion435 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Theoretically to harass artillery crews.

    • @vrisbrianm4720
      @vrisbrianm4720 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This scope was used in sporting rifle before the War.

    • @wingracer1614
      @wingracer1614 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I believe the first ever confirmed kill by a sniper at or over 2400 yards was a Canadian in 2002.

  • @Whitpusmc
    @Whitpusmc 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    2400 yards with that scope seems a bit on the optimistic side to me.....

  • @shawnr771
    @shawnr771 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice looking rifles.

  • @mrleger45
    @mrleger45 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Am I the only one that wishes I had Ian’s job?

  • @johnfisk811
    @johnfisk811 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Could one reason why the USA versions were marked to a longer range be that they were also for machine gun mounting so would expect to be used at the longer ranges?

  • @ProbablyTooLoud
    @ProbablyTooLoud 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Everything WWI is pretty darn rare these days. Trench warfare, gas, madness.

    • @voiceofraisin3778
      @voiceofraisin3778 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nah, you can still get a good supply of madness, they just changed the name and wrapping to improve sales.

    • @ScottKenny1978
      @ScottKenny1978 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@voiceofraisin3778 and gas can be found about 30 minutes after visiting a taco bell.

  • @braydenhennigar9334
    @braydenhennigar9334 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a Ross Rifle M-10 PLY 4453 and I would love to put a Warner and Swasey Scope on it. I know the company is out of business and a lot of these are hard to find so I haven't found a scope yet.

  • @joelvburke
    @joelvburke 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really appreciate that you show Canadian history so much love!

  • @kimshaw9799
    @kimshaw9799 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It would be cool to track down the family of that Canadian soldier. See if there is more information or history!

    • @TooPassionate
      @TooPassionate 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I made a minor effort and was told he had no children. Anyone in NS want to take a shot at finding family? I hear there was a sister. Would love to have a photo.
      I'm the owner of the scope. JOHN

  • @possargedwins998
    @possargedwins998 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Looks am... ah... futuristic!

  • @alanfhall6450
    @alanfhall6450 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Ian, I hate to criticize but you might want to check the spelling in your video title... 'Warney'? Too many years spent proofreading, I'm afraid :-( Love the channel, as always, keep up the good work.

  • @asimseth1927
    @asimseth1927 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent collection of videos on the Ross. However my request of doing a video on the Ross Sporter MK-II in .35 Winchester is still pending

    • @dposcuro
      @dposcuro 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      First, he needs to find someone who has it. Preferably someone who has several other firearms worth covering as well, or at least in the same city or area as another collector/collection that has firearms to film, that will let him film them. He and the collector have to find time to do the filming, which is 2-3 days or so, etc, etc.
      In otherwords, it could take a very long time before he finds one to film. Course, the second part is...is it worth covering an action he has done in fairly decent depth, just because it is in a different caliber? I mean, here is the MK. II rifle covered:
      th-cam.com/video/NqCpOsu5Am4/w-d-xo.html
      Unless the .35 Winchester rifle has some unique differentiation about it, or if it of particularly interesting history? What more is Ian going to be able to say of it?

  • @randywatson8347
    @randywatson8347 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice condition.

  • @noahcount7132
    @noahcount7132 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting presentation except for disappointment that there was no mention of the type of reticle installed in these Canadian issue Warner & Swasey optics.

  • @therugburnz
    @therugburnz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Not directly about weapons but what was Warner &Swasey's main business?
    When I worked at a "metal grinding" factory I ran a machine they called a "Swasey" it was labeled " Warner and Swasey Chucker and Drill". I also ran a "gun drill" but we didn't make guns. Was Warner & Swasey a conglomerate that made machines that made o the things like optics or did they buy an optics company?

    • @wingracer1614
      @wingracer1614 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      They were a machine tool company that also made fine instruments. Their best known products were their turret lathes and astronomical telescopes.

    • @therugburnz
      @therugburnz 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wingracer1614 Thanx .

  • @maxschindler3535
    @maxschindler3535 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video

  • @theblackberets3379
    @theblackberets3379 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wish I owned any gun worthy of being presented by Gun Jesus.

    • @tomunterwegs1206
      @tomunterwegs1206 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      zip .22? you said "any" 🤪

    • @GunsNGames1
      @GunsNGames1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What I wish I that Gun Jesus already touched it:
      PSG-1
      FAMAS F1
      Mk. 23 SOCOM
      Walther WA2000
      FN FAL
      Franchi SPAS-12
      Gewehr 43
      MP40
      MG42
      And so many more. I'm a fanatic for Cold War era battle and assault rifles.

  • @Porkleaker
    @Porkleaker 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Memeber when Canada made the Garand?

  • @joearnold6881
    @joearnold6881 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A couple hundred doesn’t seem like many for a war like wwi, and yet they didn’t even send all of that tiny amount?

    • @kevinoliver3083
      @kevinoliver3083 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      A lot Ross rifles were modified as snipers overseas. Either by Canadian armourers or commercial gunsmiths in the UK.

  • @lajarus8849
    @lajarus8849 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    If I did the math right, (99.99% sure I DIDN’T) then the first rifle would be 141,099

  • @rubbybobinson3543
    @rubbybobinson3543 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video.

  • @SNOUPS4
    @SNOUPS4 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What was the number on the scope mount for the 1917 rifle, please?

  • @Hubert_Cumberdale_
    @Hubert_Cumberdale_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Isn't that the exact same scope that is in bf1?

  • @michaelexman5474
    @michaelexman5474 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have thought about about the evolution of firearms sights!!!

  • @SouthCatBoy99
    @SouthCatBoy99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Battlefield 1 brought me the attention of this rifle, very nice 👍🏻

  • @chrishuab2364
    @chrishuab2364 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Ian, how much research is typically needed to trace the history of a specific firearm? Especially the manufactured quantities and serial numbers for older guns like these?

    • @ScottKenny1978
      @ScottKenny1978 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Depends on the gun. 1911 pistols, for example, actually have a website where you can check years of manufacture versus serial numbers. Any 1911 with a serial number under 700,000 iirc, was made during WW1.

  • @Cacowninja
    @Cacowninja 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So it's just a regular Canadian Ross MkIII Sniper Rifle with a scope?

  • @rpm1796
    @rpm1796 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great history.

  • @bobbyhood101
    @bobbyhood101 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Russians received some and rebuilt them and their Olympic shooting team used them to win several post war (ww2) competitions.

  • @Spitsz01
    @Spitsz01 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The book, not the movie...

  • @destro6971
    @destro6971 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    For a fun follow up video to watch, check out Sabaton History video “Ghost in the Trenches.” The story of Canadian sniper Francis Pegahmagabow kicking tail up one trench and down another. Learn history through metal \m/

    • @JTViper
      @JTViper 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good ol' Peggy!

  • @brainkill7034
    @brainkill7034 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why would anyone downvote this? O.o

  • @Sweatedsiren895
    @Sweatedsiren895 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ross Mkiii Marksman

  • @dbaider9467
    @dbaider9467 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting.

  • @jokkmokkdelux9953
    @jokkmokkdelux9953 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I want to see the croshair

  • @TreyWait
    @TreyWait 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Check out C&Rsenal's episode on the Ross rifle, it's pretty funny.