My God. Genshin is rich with lore. With the new revelation of 3.3. I wonder just how many of these books are true. (But my question then would be why write in allegory by these authors? Is it because they too want to get the truth out indirectly? Or maybe that's just how they can understand it?)
@@yharnamiyhill787remember when Nahida made an allegory for Scaramouche’s origins so that she wouldn’t forget it and that *Irminsul could not change it?*
The tie in between kaeya’s grandfather’s sword and how the legend of shattered halberd implies the celestial nails are swords literally made my jaw drop, I definitely think that’s what it is!!! It also reminds me how Dainsleif is referred to as the twilight sword and how at the end the volume seemed to imply the nails could be sentient people. It would be a little strange but maybe that’s what dainsleif is?
Would explain how he avoids the curse, I always thought that “his will” was a bit of a copout to not explain why he isn’t a Hilichurl or something. If he’s derived from a divine object, he wouldn’t be cursed. Also explains how Ei got the blueprint for the divine puppets if Khaenri’ah was transforming nails into people.
This was so good!! In the Legend of the Shattered Halberd, Irmin pierced the Axis Mundi and connected the realms, presently the only connection between the realms of teyvat is the ‘Irmin’sul. AHH WHY IS KHAENRI’AH SO SUS
I just noticed when compare the legend of the shattered halberd and the flower of lost paradise artifact set the story they tell is actually similar but told differently and in greater detail.(also with some contrast too)
Irmin a sage of khanreiah entered the Axis mundi and connected his consciousness with the great tree. This is where the in-game lore about a sage hanging from a tree comes from. Later he gained vast knowledge into the workings of teyvat and started an age of development, while naming himself king. P.S. Mr Nine used the shattered helberd story as an allegory to save himself from the reset
Honestly, i just can't stop theorizing about hoyoverse's multiverse, and i can't help but think of the halberds as like the divine keys that we have in honkai, plus the fact thaf we do have a loki on the world-traveling crew of the captain in the sea of quanta
The traveler came in a meteorite and she acts as a rune, cleansing habilities (dvalins tears i.e) and also has forbidden knowledge (only people that irminsul doesn't affects when altered or etc) that can make people go nuts and drain them too ( this is a plus of mine... if I bet she can do that too just doesn't know it) And she is constantly used as a weapon and healer both btw. ;) Ps. My game I chose Lumine (aether abyss sibling)
I always felt like there's more to Khaenriah's identity as a nation, like how it was possible for them to not have a God when all the other nations did yet there was the presence of celestial elements (ex: primordial star-eyed people), so when you said they had a Divine ruler, I completely agree!! I strongly believe Khaenri’ah could be the "Kingdom established among the heavens" described in the BattlePass cutscene! I feel like Hoyo has us so distracted by Khaenri’ah being known for its tech, we're overlooking why would an entire civilization have primordial star eyes (or at least many of them), a symbol strongly associated & linked with the heavens! (Ex: Kaeya, Dainsleif, etc.). Khaenri’ah being the kingdom established among the heavens would make so many pieces regarding abyss sibling & the story in general, fall into place- if they're the fallen heir, it’d explain why abyss sibling's fate became tied to Teyvat as well as their connection to Khaenri’ah, not to mention their current role of being controlled/connected to dark forces that relate to both of those events (Khaenri’ah + abyss creatures), where the mysterious kingdom is, etc. Additional supporting reasons: irminsul/ leylines being connected to the heavens/Celestia just like the presence of primordial star eyes found in Khaenri'ah. Bough meaning the main branch of a tree (referring back to branches of the leylines/Irminsul) & Dainsleif is referred to as the "Bough keeper", translating to guard/keeper of the leylines/Irminsul that we know are connected to the heavens/Celestia. It further deepens the possibility for Khaenri'ah being the kingdom established among the heavens & makes sense for Dainsleif to be the keeper of the leylines/Irminsul if he's from the kingdom established among the heavens & he failed at that duty for whatever reason yet to be revealed to us relating to the unknown god that likely caused the calamity of Khaenri'ah. Who else would be tasked with protecting the leylines/Irminsul of the heavens than someone from the kingdom of the heavens? Also, it's already been confirmed the 8th element is called the "omne" element (which is the light element/all 7 of the other elements combined). Celestia resides over/controls all of the elements, so to me it makes most sense for this element that comprises of all the others (omne element) to originate in the kingdom established among the heavens, which just so happens to be the element traveler has who comes from Khaenriah. That's also explain why we don't see the 8th & final element anywhere in Teyvat (that again is confirmed very real). The travelers coming from Khaenriah combined with this being their original power, is very telling of who they are (& why in their character menu we're told we will ascend the throne at the end of the game). I could be wrong on all these conclusions, but I don't think it's completely unreasonable!
Your point of an entire civilization having a primordial starred eye does make sense. cause in the book its written that, Irmin pierced the Axis mundi and connected the realm and his replicas populated the heavens. Replicas have same features as the original one, and so do all Khaenrian people have a star in their eyes. If the replicas populated the heavens, then the heavens could be khaenriah. Besides the only connection (so far we know) between the teyvat realms is the Irminsul. And Asura is a hindi word meaning Demon.
I love it when I read a comment and it totally stops me in my tracks like "...huh!" In this case I just... haven't ever (recently) even thought about the primo eyes?? And I'm so down with this "technology is just a distraction" idea too. Good stuff!! Edit: my mind was extra blown thinking about replicas Edit2: One day I'll post my meme theory about Stellis (from Tears of Themis) just being AU Khaenri'ah
Thanks! That would be a FUN one to summarize, it's so sci fi and out of place. I haven't read it recently but I don't think I could even come up with tinfoil hat theories about the secrets it holds, it's so wild 😂 but it also had a ton of eyeball imagery as well, so there's that...
@@roozeveltfox Honestly, there's so much in the book, so it's hard to even figure out where to start, lmao. Anyway, I will be waiting for new videos on any topic you decide to cover, cause your videos are awesome :D
3.3 opened a complete new place for theory's cz now we know every book we have in our backpack isn't utterly useless all of them well not all but many of them could be true and has some significant history.
Kaeya and his voicelines!! 😭 I love him so much. I also don't think he's telling lies, but more like speaking in code just like these fairytales. As for Khaenri'ah being godless. Perhaps they weren't defined by their beliefs as either believers of Celestia or godless? Maybe they didn't have an Archon, but a God king with some ancestral ties to divinity? Dainsleif himself makes a point of Khaenri'ah having no god, and being the peak of human development, so I don't think it's necessarily false. Even in the travail he speaks of humans having their humanity and that prevailing over the Gods....idk.
yes! Kaeya voicelines, I need more 🙏 re: Khaenri'ah. I agree, and a point I wish I had made in retrospect that even IF (and a big IF) they had a god, their relationship was very different, still emphasizing human achievement over divinity. so even if there was a hierarchy with a god king, there was still a much greater focus on humanity's growth vs. being ruled. If that makes sense!
Oh WOW, what a freaking awesome video. So much lore connected here, I was vibrating when we got to Kaeya's voicelines, lol. Also bringing back that comment I made weeks ago on your statuets theory vid, after Nahida revealing that its possible to hide truths in fairytale's metaphors, I instantly thought of FLowers for Fischl (and of course, Pale Princes, our long-lost mystery). Mr Nine is such an NPC of interest now, and my bet is that he isnt special per se, but he has some kind of access to old information like you said. Maybe he has old tomes or some sort of artifact telling this chunk of Khaenri'ah history? I feel that after Sumeru we will be getting a lot of these bombs a lot more frequently, let's see what they will tell us on 3.4 with the other chunk of the desert unlocked, and what seems YET another frostnail resting in the ruins under the sandstorms. Again, great video!
I wonder if Mr. Nine wouldn’t be Gold, cause this sounds precisely like the level of info she would acquire and left for posterity in a way that can’t be tampered with.
This game sure knows how to keep secrets and at the same time give very light hints about those secrets. Only the smartest and most observant of all may figure out the truth. That's what makes the game's lore even more enticing and rewarding. I absolutely love the enigma of Genshin.
maam your channel are sooooo gooooood as a slow brain I am that need to read not once but thrice to unveil and understand the secrets. you've ease my burden
I finally got around to reading the Shattered Halberd and was completely shocked at the Irmin name drop. I immediately ran to google/reddit to find others' thoughts on this story, and stumbled upon your video! I definitely thought of the celestial nails, as well, when the story described the swords' effects. However, and considering your comment about how these stories may be a mixing of different metaphors and references, I couldn't help but think to the Traveler (or maybe our sibling, given their ties to the Abyss Order?) and their journey across Teyvat to collect the different blessings. I know there are only seven nations/elements, but if you consider Khaenri'ah/Abyss and Celestia/the heavens, then it could equate to nine. Idk, maybe this is me stretching too far, but there is just something eerily echoing here about all this given the whole two companions collecting tokens of the different realms, one being the daughter of a celestial king (Paimon?), the other having sacrificed an eye (Dainsleif? I know he has both eyes, but with that mask & how prevalent the one eye theme is with those from Khaenri'ah?)... Is it just me? lol
Thank you so much for going over this lore in video form. I love my tinfoil hat, but it only gets brought out when I watch theory videos like this bc I get too overwhelmed with all the reading. I’m going to explore your channel for more content. Thank you!
yayyy another videoooo! I love your analysis and videos. the phrase “God-King”, comes from the ancient Egyptians, their pharaohs were called god kings because they believed god lived through them. In modern media, like in divinity, the god king is a heretic looking to punish the 7 gods for killing his nation. So he was cast into the void and there he built a new dark order with the purpose of avenging the past. and another fun fact, Deshret was called a “God-King”. Which leads me to believe that Mr.nine confused the celestial emperor with the God King? Like how enkanomiyans weren’t sure if phanes is PO or the second who came. Again thank you for videoooo
aw thank you! Yeah, it was a super confusing read at first because Mr. Nine uses Celestial Emperor and God King interchangeably without ever actually clarifying that they're supposed to be the same (unless it translates differently in CN, i guess). Deshret is so interesting. Before this update I did draw a lot of parallels between him and Irmin. Mostly basic stuff, like running a powerful nation outside of Celestia's rule, all the high-tech enemies, eventually succumbing to forbidden knowledge. But after reading Flower of Paradise Lost and learning that he also wanted to rebel (and that lead to the Goddess of Flowers' demise), sheeesh.
@@roozeveltfox yessss so true there are so many similarities! also the eremite called “ravenbeak halberder” is super sus. it’d be super cool if SK didn’t actually die- his “end” altered in irminsul- so when he traveled to the abyss he created khaenriah and became irmin. prayge we’ll get some more khaenriah lore soon 🙏
Something to consider that may make the "celestial nails are people" thing make more sense: rather than thinking of them as objects that became sapient over time, it might be more instructive to think of them as people sent by Celestia who died, and whose corpses were somehow transformed into divine weapons. Don't forget, gnoses are made from the remains of the third Descender, so there is precedent for such a thing in lore. How people became giant stone nails is beyond me, but note that the nails we can get up close and personal with are deteriorating (or perhaps more accurately, decaying). The mutability of size implicit in this might also be how Pirate Grandpa Alberich could transport the Tsurumi Island nail to Khaenri'ah so readily. All just special speculation on my part; IMO, YMMV, BYOB, etc.
i just got recommended this video and i love this theory! it makes total sense. i'm a lore addict but i'm not great at connecting the dots with re-world lore so these kinds of videos are so amazing to me. thank you for sharing! definitely gunna sub for more!
Irminsul affected me since I completely forgot about this book xD I've been focused on Pale Princess too much..amazing video as always! Now, what do you think about "fox in the dendelion sea"? It clearly represented some kind of samsara in the story..actually from the moment i've read it i always speculated that maybe entire Teyvat is in form of samsara aka eternal cycle..also, Dain hinted about the fictional books in Yae Miko's collected miscellany, kind of.. edit: OMG i can give a right arm about that Kaeya in game voice lines being 100% connected..i actually think you connected the dots
I haven't read Fox in the Dandelion Sea since I started the game probably! well, shoot, looks like i just gotta make videos on every book now 🤷 I also don't remember Yae's miscellany, so I'll have to go check it out soon, but I DO remember how the Facebook post on her birthday was literally predicting Nahida's birthday samsara! I also thought it was so interesting, too, how during the Fungi Pokemon event she talked about the events as they were happening in terms of literary tropes and narratives.... ooooh I'll definitely have to do a "What Does the Fox Say" lore video..... and ty for enjoying! I try my best to provide the best tinfoil hat theories possible ehe
If Teyvat is locked in samsara, than it would be third game of Hoyoverse with this theme. In Hokai Impact 3rd was revealed that Earth has been locked in samsara for hundreds of thousands years, every 50k years civilization resets. In GGZ similar situation, but civilization reset only twice yet.
@@alexpav845 i am not up to date with honkai’s story..But really? i didn’t know about that! Gotta go and dust up on my honkai lore 😭 Anyways I wouldn’t be surprised if they pulled that thing again, but maybe in a different way because as we can see a lot of themes do repeat in their games..Especially the imaginary tree=irminsul, i think that people who watch and know honkai lore are way more understanding of genshin’s because some of the key things in story are the same kinda..
The collection of the halberds to be used as weapons, and their possible connection to the Celestial Nails, kinda weirdly makes me think of how the Harbingers have been slowly collecting Gnoses for the Tsaritsa. This might be completely crack, but it sounds similar, especially since her goal is to "burn away the old world." Also, the Celestial Nails and the gnoses look alike in a way.
Khaenriahs monarch could have taken the name from the primordial god first celestial kingdom? Would make sense that that last khaenriahn king had named himself after the primordial god king he was trying to avenge but got cursed for doing so etc..nuked... Etc... His army carrying amulets and what not... And Fischl (Amy, I bet honors him in her way as well wearing the eye patch in her cosplay costume, she knows wassup, ps ps. bonus ....I dunno why a 14 yr old is working for the guild already...and not regular adventurer or menial title, but investigator....🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔) Cheers! Love your videos keep up the amazing job!
the only in-game reference I can remember for turtles is during Aranyaka when one of the kid talks about an elephant on a turtle's back... which seems to be a reference to the world elephant and the world turtle upon which a flat earth rests? I've honestly done little to no research on this, but it could be interesting! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down
@@roozeveltfox That's quite interesting! I thought that perhaps this may be the boss she'll fight in her second story quest, as it's a big mythical-like animal and we see it for the first time
@@roozeveltfox Now that I think about it, it won't be that big of a stretch for a world turtle to exist in Genshin as Irminsul only controls the flow of elements, memories/souls and information, which is further confirmed by the broken vase and the unknown voice in the end of the 3.3 archon quest
I love your channel! I wish youd upload everyday! There is just one thing I don’t understand: why can the archons remember khanriah if only outlanders can distinguish changes in irminsul? Shouldnt they have forgotten like everyone else in teyvat? Hell, they even constructed a map where there are no indication of the existence of khanriah. the island of time was removed from the map. It’s a teyvat of the seven not the eight anymore.
thank you! i would if i could, but thinking is hard lmao. as for khaenri'ah, it doesn't seem like it was wiped... at least completely! jean has a voiceline about the "heroic king of khaenri'ah" and the akademiya are very aware of dahri/khaenri'ah. it seems more like it's just uncommon knowledge, although i'd bet there was some irmunsul alteration regarding it
Watching this after 5.1, and I'm now wondering if the halberd is actually referencing the gnoses 🤔 But then there should be 2 more, an Abyssal and Celestial gnosis?
8:39 Crackiest theory but with the dialogue you've put up yes it could be the Celestial nail but also the Sinner?? He specifically granted a wish?? Whereas I see the Celestial nails as an energy that puts things into stasis.
Do you mean the part with the Legend summary? I just took NPCs and did some mish-mashing to make unique designs, and the background scenery is just screenshots in game with some heavy watercolor filters. I wanted a storybook type feel!
If irminsul can delete people from everyone enemy i have a theory that am not sure about is that in raiden story that the khaenri'ah got destroy has unknow god cube in it the theory is that unknow god delete herself from everyone memory and made the archon think they are the one that destroy khaenri'ah
Btw, Mr. Nine is Chang the Ninth. His name is Mr. Nine bcs his nickname used to be Big Nine, and his childhood friend was Little Nine (the little girl on Wuwang hill). The reason why his pen name is Mr. Nine is because he hopes that Little Nine will notice his works. The only reason why Chang the Ninth had the book in Xingqiu's story quest was bcs he's the author 😭 Chang the Ninth's lore is pretty sad tho
nope it's not. he wanted her to know him sure but he could only do that by being famous. we as players get to see him trying to be famous by creating that guhua disciple book to try his luck in a yae publishing house contest (this happens during the commissions featuring him) he does get only kinda famous with it later on as we move on to inazuma and find out he won the contest and his novel made it. we know of this from he only made it AFTER inazuma released, he couldn't possibly be mr. nine if he's desperate to release one book if he already published multiple other known ones before. he also pretty much states himself in "yae publishing house's invitation" that no matter how much they pester him, he'll only write under his real name. his real name is chang the ninth and his author name is chang the ninth (as aratani refers to him. like how she refers to xingqiu as "zhenyu")
@@besma67 he is Mr. Nine. The hard evidence is the fact that if we switch the subs to German, Mr. Nine becomes Mr. Chang. But yes Chang the Ninth is his full name, so he uses the surname Nine
@@mimiisbored8622 a surname isn't a real name. his surname is big nine. his real name is chang the ninth. his author name that aratani refers to him as is "chang the ninth" which literally indicates that that's his author name. if we're talking different localisations then chang the ninth in french is "chang le neuvieme" meanwhile mr. nine is "monsieur jiu". it doesn't mean anything. if you give me the chinese version i'd understand what u mean but please, the german one? i already gave you so much evidence that he's not the author of fischl's story. if he was so famous that he wrote six volumes and a spin off of stories. he wouldn't scramble to join a contest and be called mediocre at best with his sales.
@@besma67 a surname is the back of someone's name?? Like if your name is John White your surname would be White. Plus if Mr. Nine was in German, it would be Herr Neun. But it's specifically Herr Chang. Chang is not a German word, it's a name
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This channel is criminally underrated
My God. Genshin is rich with lore. With the new revelation of 3.3. I wonder just how many of these books are true. (But my question then would be why write in allegory by these authors? Is it because they too want to get the truth out indirectly? Or maybe that's just how they can understand it?)
literally! one of the best theorists
Come on, guys! Keep pushing until she gets into everyone's recommendation!
@@yharnamiyhill787remember when Nahida made an allegory for Scaramouche’s origins so that she wouldn’t forget it and that *Irminsul could not change it?*
Seriously though!
The tie in between kaeya’s grandfather’s sword and how the legend of shattered halberd implies the celestial nails are swords literally made my jaw drop, I definitely think that’s what it is!!!
It also reminds me how Dainsleif is referred to as the twilight sword and how at the end the volume seemed to imply the nails could be sentient people. It would be a little strange but maybe that’s what dainsleif is?
Would explain how he avoids the curse, I always thought that “his will” was a bit of a copout to not explain why he isn’t a Hilichurl or something. If he’s derived from a divine object, he wouldn’t be cursed.
Also explains how Ei got the blueprint for the divine puppets if Khaenri’ah was transforming nails into people.
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This was so good!! In the Legend of the Shattered Halberd, Irmin pierced the Axis Mundi and connected the realms, presently the only connection between the realms of teyvat is the ‘Irmin’sul. AHH WHY IS KHAENRI’AH SO SUS
I didn't even have time to go into the Irmin-Irminsul naming convention, the video was getting so long anyway 😭
Irminsul= Irmin's Soul
I just noticed when compare the legend of the shattered halberd and the flower of lost paradise artifact set the story they tell is actually similar but told differently and in greater detail.(also with some contrast too)
Irmin a sage of khanreiah entered the Axis mundi and connected his consciousness with the great tree. This is where the in-game lore about a sage hanging from a tree comes from.
Later he gained vast knowledge into the workings of teyvat and started an age of development, while naming himself king.
P.S. Mr Nine used the shattered helberd story as an allegory to save himself from the reset
Honestly, i just can't stop theorizing about hoyoverse's multiverse, and i can't help but think of the halberds as like the divine keys that we have in honkai, plus the fact thaf we do have a loki on the world-traveling crew of the captain in the sea of quanta
The traveler came in a meteorite and she acts as a rune, cleansing habilities (dvalins tears i.e) and also has forbidden knowledge (only people that irminsul doesn't affects when altered or etc) that can make people go nuts and drain them too ( this is a plus of mine... if I bet she can do that too just doesn't know it)
And she is constantly used as a weapon and healer both btw. ;)
Ps. My game I chose Lumine (aether abyss sibling)
I always felt like there's more to Khaenriah's identity as a nation, like how it was possible for them to not have a God when all the other nations did yet there was the presence of celestial elements (ex: primordial star-eyed people), so when you said they had a Divine ruler, I completely agree!! I strongly believe Khaenri’ah could be the "Kingdom established among the heavens" described in the BattlePass cutscene!
I feel like Hoyo has us so distracted by Khaenri’ah being known for its tech, we're overlooking why would an entire civilization have primordial star eyes (or at least many of them), a symbol strongly associated & linked with the heavens!
(Ex: Kaeya, Dainsleif, etc.).
Khaenri’ah being the kingdom established among the heavens would make so many pieces regarding abyss sibling & the story in general, fall into place- if they're the fallen heir, it’d explain why abyss sibling's fate became tied to Teyvat as well as their connection to Khaenri’ah, not to mention their current role of being controlled/connected to dark forces that relate to both of those events (Khaenri’ah + abyss creatures), where the mysterious kingdom is, etc.
Additional supporting reasons: irminsul/ leylines being connected to the heavens/Celestia just like the presence of primordial star eyes found in Khaenri'ah. Bough meaning the main branch of a tree (referring back to branches of the leylines/Irminsul) & Dainsleif is referred to as the "Bough keeper", translating to guard/keeper of the leylines/Irminsul that we know are connected to the heavens/Celestia. It further deepens the possibility for Khaenri'ah being the kingdom established among the heavens & makes sense for Dainsleif to be the keeper of the leylines/Irminsul if he's from the kingdom established among the heavens & he failed at that duty for whatever reason yet to be revealed to us relating to the unknown god that likely caused the calamity of Khaenri'ah. Who else would be tasked with protecting the leylines/Irminsul of the heavens than someone from the kingdom of the heavens?
Also, it's already been confirmed the 8th element is called the "omne" element (which is the light element/all 7 of the other elements combined). Celestia resides over/controls all of the elements, so to me it makes most sense for this element that comprises of all the others (omne element) to originate in the kingdom established among the heavens, which just so happens to be the element traveler has who comes from Khaenriah. That's also explain why we don't see the 8th & final element anywhere in Teyvat (that again is confirmed very real). The travelers coming from Khaenriah combined with this being their original power, is very telling of who they are (& why in their character menu we're told we will ascend the throne at the end of the game).
I could be wrong on all these conclusions, but I don't think it's completely unreasonable!
Your point of an entire civilization having a primordial starred eye does make sense. cause in the book its written that, Irmin pierced the Axis mundi and connected the realm and his replicas populated the heavens. Replicas have same features as the original one, and so do all Khaenrian people have a star in their eyes. If the replicas populated the heavens, then the heavens could be khaenriah. Besides the only connection (so far we know) between the teyvat realms is the Irminsul. And Asura is a hindi word meaning Demon.
@@dakshmavi3428 Ty for that added context!!
Tears of Themis boys also have similar eyes
I love it when I read a comment and it totally stops me in my tracks like "...huh!" In this case I just... haven't ever (recently) even thought about the primo eyes?? And I'm so down with this "technology is just a distraction" idea too. Good stuff!!
Edit: my mind was extra blown thinking about replicas
Edit2: One day I'll post my meme theory about Stellis (from Tears of Themis) just being AU Khaenri'ah
The second the abyss sibling called dainslaif the twilightsword, the entire Game Plot was busted
FINALLY SOMEONE IS TAKING THIS STORY INTO ACCOUNT.
Your channel is underatted af your lore videos are actually top tier
This is gold. Great video, thank you!
Now I want to reread other wild books like Vera's Melancholy
Thanks! That would be a FUN one to summarize, it's so sci fi and out of place. I haven't read it recently but I don't think I could even come up with tinfoil hat theories about the secrets it holds, it's so wild 😂 but it also had a ton of eyeball imagery as well, so there's that...
@@roozeveltfox Honestly, there's so much in the book, so it's hard to even figure out where to start, lmao. Anyway, I will be waiting for new videos on any topic you decide to cover, cause your videos are awesome :D
The Chasm ost in the end hit so hard! Great job on everything, instant sub.
3.3 opened a complete new place for theory's cz now we know every book we have in our backpack isn't utterly useless all of them well not all but many of them could be true and has some significant history.
Kaeya and his voicelines!! 😭 I love him so much.
I also don't think he's telling lies, but more like speaking in code just like these fairytales.
As for Khaenri'ah being godless. Perhaps they weren't defined by their beliefs as either believers of Celestia or godless? Maybe they didn't have an Archon, but a God king with some ancestral ties to divinity?
Dainsleif himself makes a point of Khaenri'ah having no god, and being the peak of human development, so I don't think it's necessarily false. Even in the travail he speaks of humans having their humanity and that prevailing over the Gods....idk.
yes! Kaeya voicelines, I need more 🙏
re: Khaenri'ah. I agree, and a point I wish I had made in retrospect that even IF (and a big IF) they had a god, their relationship was very different, still emphasizing human achievement over divinity. so even if there was a hierarchy with a god king, there was still a much greater focus on humanity's growth vs. being ruled. If that makes sense!
Oh WOW, what a freaking awesome video. So much lore connected here, I was vibrating when we got to Kaeya's voicelines, lol. Also bringing back that comment I made weeks ago on your statuets theory vid, after Nahida revealing that its possible to hide truths in fairytale's metaphors, I instantly thought of FLowers for Fischl (and of course, Pale Princes, our long-lost mystery). Mr Nine is such an NPC of interest now, and my bet is that he isnt special per se, but he has some kind of access to old information like you said. Maybe he has old tomes or some sort of artifact telling this chunk of Khaenri'ah history? I feel that after Sumeru we will be getting a lot of these bombs a lot more frequently, let's see what they will tell us on 3.4 with the other chunk of the desert unlocked, and what seems YET another frostnail resting in the ruins under the sandstorms. Again, great video!
I wonder if Mr. Nine wouldn’t be Gold, cause this sounds precisely like the level of info she would acquire and left for posterity in a way that can’t be tampered with.
This game sure knows how to keep secrets and at the same time give very light hints about those secrets. Only the smartest and most observant of all may figure out the truth. That's what makes the game's lore even more enticing and rewarding. I absolutely love the enigma of Genshin.
maam your channel are sooooo gooooood
as a slow brain I am that need to read not once but thrice to unveil and understand the secrets.
you've ease my burden
I finally got around to reading the Shattered Halberd and was completely shocked at the Irmin name drop. I immediately ran to google/reddit to find others' thoughts on this story, and stumbled upon your video! I definitely thought of the celestial nails, as well, when the story described the swords' effects.
However, and considering your comment about how these stories may be a mixing of different metaphors and references, I couldn't help but think to the Traveler (or maybe our sibling, given their ties to the Abyss Order?) and their journey across Teyvat to collect the different blessings. I know there are only seven nations/elements, but if you consider Khaenri'ah/Abyss and Celestia/the heavens, then it could equate to nine.
Idk, maybe this is me stretching too far, but there is just something eerily echoing here about all this given the whole two companions collecting tokens of the different realms, one being the daughter of a celestial king (Paimon?), the other having sacrificed an eye (Dainsleif? I know he has both eyes, but with that mask & how prevalent the one eye theme is with those from Khaenri'ah?)... Is it just me? lol
I've been on a lore dive since this 3.4 patch and found your channel, and damn am I glad I did. Great videos.
Going back to this vid after 4.2 Archon quest and Skirk's lore bomb
If you take all the celestial nails and pile them up on top of each other...
U get the pole arm of the shattered halberd
Omg true. This comment ist so underrated
Thank you so much for going over this lore in video form. I love my tinfoil hat, but it only gets brought out when I watch theory videos like this bc I get too overwhelmed with all the reading.
I’m going to explore your channel for more content. Thank you!
yayyy another videoooo! I love your analysis and videos.
the phrase “God-King”, comes from the ancient Egyptians, their pharaohs were called god kings because they believed god lived through them.
In modern media, like in divinity, the god king is a heretic looking to punish the 7 gods for killing his nation. So he was cast into the void and there he built a new dark order with the purpose of avenging the past.
and another fun fact, Deshret was called a “God-King”. Which leads me to believe that Mr.nine confused the celestial emperor with the God King? Like how enkanomiyans weren’t sure if phanes is PO or the second who came.
Again thank you for videoooo
aw thank you! Yeah, it was a super confusing read at first because Mr. Nine uses Celestial Emperor and God King interchangeably without ever actually clarifying that they're supposed to be the same (unless it translates differently in CN, i guess).
Deshret is so interesting. Before this update I did draw a lot of parallels between him and Irmin. Mostly basic stuff, like running a powerful nation outside of Celestia's rule, all the high-tech enemies, eventually succumbing to forbidden knowledge. But after reading Flower of Paradise Lost and learning that he also wanted to rebel (and that lead to the Goddess of Flowers' demise), sheeesh.
@@roozeveltfox yessss so true there are so many similarities! also the eremite called “ravenbeak halberder” is super sus. it’d be super cool if SK didn’t actually die- his “end” altered in irminsul- so when he traveled to the abyss he created khaenriah and became irmin.
prayge we’ll get some more khaenriah lore soon 🙏
I love how you tie everything to Kaeya everytime.
wow this channel is underrated.... i'll definitely share your vids with my friends!!! hope your channel grows bigger and bigger
This is so well made omg
Fischl's story is also an allegory, her immernachtreich probably Esther meaning khaenri'ah or maybe even the unified civilization.
i feel like i have to reread every book in the game now lol
great video btw! im glad i got it recommended, will definitely watch the rest of your vids
Binge watching your videos now that I've find you btw! Super underated and your videos give me chills sometimes. Keep up the amazing work! XD
aw shucks, thanks! My catalogue doesn't go back too far, haha, but I'll keep adding more!
This was really good! Maybe you need the gnosis collected to wield the power.
Something to consider that may make the "celestial nails are people" thing make more sense: rather than thinking of them as objects that became sapient over time, it might be more instructive to think of them as people sent by Celestia who died, and whose corpses were somehow transformed into divine weapons. Don't forget, gnoses are made from the remains of the third Descender, so there is precedent for such a thing in lore. How people became giant stone nails is beyond me, but note that the nails we can get up close and personal with are deteriorating (or perhaps more accurately, decaying). The mutability of size implicit in this might also be how Pirate Grandpa Alberich could transport the Tsurumi Island nail to Khaenri'ah so readily. All just special speculation on my part; IMO, YMMV, BYOB, etc.
i just got recommended this video and i love this theory! it makes total sense. i'm a lore addict but i'm not great at connecting the dots with re-world lore so these kinds of videos are so amazing to me. thank you for sharing! definitely gunna sub for more!
Onions video bought me here. This was so well made!
12:37: secret shooketh after the mamere melisine quest
This started cold, but, DAAMMMNN... That made a lot of sense.
All of your information is correct
The magic sword kaeyas grandfather found was our mc character sword, we dropped it after fighting the unknown god
Irminsul affected me since I completely forgot about this book xD I've been focused on Pale Princess too much..amazing video as always! Now, what do you think about "fox in the dendelion sea"? It clearly represented some kind of samsara in the story..actually from the moment i've read it i always speculated that maybe entire Teyvat is in form of samsara aka eternal cycle..also, Dain hinted about the fictional books in Yae Miko's collected miscellany, kind of..
edit: OMG i can give a right arm about that Kaeya in game voice lines being 100% connected..i actually think you connected the dots
I haven't read Fox in the Dandelion Sea since I started the game probably! well, shoot, looks like i just gotta make videos on every book now 🤷
I also don't remember Yae's miscellany, so I'll have to go check it out soon, but I DO remember how the Facebook post on her birthday was literally predicting Nahida's birthday samsara! I also thought it was so interesting, too, how during the Fungi Pokemon event she talked about the events as they were happening in terms of literary tropes and narratives.... ooooh I'll definitely have to do a "What Does the Fox Say" lore video.....
and ty for enjoying! I try my best to provide the best tinfoil hat theories possible ehe
If Teyvat is locked in samsara, than it would be third game of Hoyoverse with this theme. In Hokai Impact 3rd was revealed that Earth has been locked in samsara for hundreds of thousands years, every 50k years civilization resets. In GGZ similar situation, but civilization reset only twice yet.
@@alexpav845 i am not up to date with honkai’s story..But really? i didn’t know about that! Gotta go and dust up on my honkai lore 😭 Anyways I wouldn’t be surprised if they pulled that thing again, but maybe in a different way because as we can see a lot of themes do repeat in their games..Especially the imaginary tree=irminsul, i think that people who watch and know honkai lore are way more understanding of genshin’s because some of the key things in story are the same kinda..
@@dreamday988 that honkai lore being revealed is in the most recent chapter. so its interesting learning this alongside playing genshin's story!
The collection of the halberds to be used as weapons, and their possible connection to the Celestial Nails, kinda weirdly makes me think of how the Harbingers have been slowly collecting Gnoses for the Tsaritsa. This might be completely crack, but it sounds similar, especially since her goal is to "burn away the old world." Also, the Celestial Nails and the gnoses look alike in a way.
Khaenriahs monarch could have taken the name from the primordial god first celestial kingdom?
Would make sense that that last khaenriahn king had named himself after the primordial god king he was trying to avenge but got cursed for doing so etc..nuked... Etc... His army carrying amulets and what not...
And Fischl (Amy, I bet honors him in her way as well wearing the eye patch in her cosplay costume, she knows wassup, ps ps. bonus ....I dunno why a 14 yr old is working for the guild already...and not regular adventurer or menial title, but investigator....🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔)
Cheers! Love your videos keep up the amazing job!
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Sorry that my question isn't about the video or theory at all, but what is that turtle in the background of Nahida's teaser ?
the only in-game reference I can remember for turtles is during Aranyaka when one of the kid talks about an elephant on a turtle's back... which seems to be a reference to the world elephant and the world turtle upon which a flat earth rests? I've honestly done little to no research on this, but it could be interesting! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down
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That's quite interesting!
I thought that perhaps this may be the boss she'll fight in her second story quest, as it's a big mythical-like animal and we see it for the first time
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Now that I think about it, it won't be that big of a stretch for a world turtle to exist in Genshin as Irminsul only controls the flow of elements, memories/souls and information, which is further confirmed by the broken vase and the unknown voice in the end of the 3.3 archon quest
So there might be 9 elemants for each realm ?
I think the sword Kaeya is talking about is ather's lost sword from the beginning of the game.
I love your channel! I wish youd upload everyday! There is just one thing I don’t understand: why can the archons remember khanriah if only outlanders can distinguish changes in irminsul? Shouldnt they have forgotten like everyone else in teyvat? Hell, they even constructed a map where there are no indication of the existence of khanriah. the island of time was removed from the map. It’s a teyvat of the seven not the eight anymore.
thank you! i would if i could, but thinking is hard lmao.
as for khaenri'ah, it doesn't seem like it was wiped... at least completely! jean has a voiceline about the "heroic king of khaenri'ah" and the akademiya are very aware of dahri/khaenri'ah. it seems more like it's just uncommon knowledge, although i'd bet there was some irmunsul alteration regarding it
nice theory!! keep on going XD
Another princess that takes eyes…
*MINDBLOWN*
Playing god of war prepared me to fully understand stand genshin lore I love this
Morax is called Vago Mundi
Eeee. So, now I wonder if the "sword" Kaeya's grandfather found that was flung from Celestia by a god might be the Abyss Twin.
Khaenriah are collecting nails lmfao so this is on point that collecting these nails creates weapons
What if there were 3 civilisation in the roots of irmensoul khaenri'ah human ect jotenheim coud be where Alice elfs and maby kaeyas famaly canes from
Would you revisit this theory withe the new info from fontaine? I think the part where swords are actually "humans" can progress now.
yaaah I definitely will sometime in the next couple of weeks
Watching this after 5.1, and I'm now wondering if the halberd is actually referencing the gnoses 🤔 But then there should be 2 more, an Abyssal and Celestial gnosis?
Gotta comment for the algorithm. Interesting speculation! 🫡
khaenri'ah could be a tribe which could they be celtic reference?
Kaeya Grandfather's sword = King Arthur's Excalibur?
Sigurd's Gram
*REX INCOGNITO*
think about it for a second....
8:39 Crackiest theory but with the dialogue you've put up yes it could be the Celestial nail but also the Sinner?? He specifically granted a wish?? Whereas I see the Celestial nails as an energy that puts things into stasis.
Whose the Artist used for this?
Do you mean the part with the Legend summary? I just took NPCs and did some mish-mashing to make unique designs, and the background scenery is just screenshots in game with some heavy watercolor filters. I wanted a storybook type feel!
@@roozeveltfox Watercolor Filters. What Program did you use?
If irminsul can delete people from everyone enemy i have a theory that am not sure about is that in raiden story that the khaenri'ah got destroy has unknow god cube in it the theory is that unknow god delete herself from everyone memory and made the archon think they are the one that destroy khaenri'ah
*Irmin also sounds like Irminsul.*
Is Mr nine the chan the ninth from quince Village?
Kinda reminds me of kaeyas gradfather sowred
OMG Paimon was deleted from Irminsul and the Paimon we see is the Wandered equivalent of Scaramouch.
hello from the future but these halberds can potentially be the remains of the 3rd descender now?
I thought 💭 the Nicholas cage picture was because HE was a national treasure when it flashed up on that word lol - to be fair - also true!
Maby king irmin was named after tham and the three
It was Named After Yggdrasil:) mihoyo seems to love german mythology
My brain just went boom boom bakudan
Doesnt kaeya grandfather story remember a bit to much travelers lore? or am i just getting crazy?
Silver hair banshee is la signora
Hydra is that boss from liyue that i cant remember his name
And the currupted dragon is dvalin
hmm, really make me wonder.. what if the cataclysm was ragnarok?
what if the sword that fell from the heavens belongs to one of the twins
the most shocking thing rn is that my name is in the game literally what the hell im actually speechless 😭😭
also, great video!!! i recently discovered ur channel and i love ur videos :33
Btw, Mr. Nine is Chang the Ninth. His name is Mr. Nine bcs his nickname used to be Big Nine, and his childhood friend was Little Nine (the little girl on Wuwang hill). The reason why his pen name is Mr. Nine is because he hopes that Little Nine will notice his works. The only reason why Chang the Ninth had the book in Xingqiu's story quest was bcs he's the author 😭 Chang the Ninth's lore is pretty sad tho
nope it's not. he wanted her to know him sure but he could only do that by being famous. we as players get to see him trying to be famous by creating that guhua disciple book to try his luck in a yae publishing house contest (this happens during the commissions featuring him) he does get only kinda famous with it later on as we move on to inazuma and find out he won the contest and his novel made it. we know of this from he only made it AFTER inazuma released, he couldn't possibly be mr. nine if he's desperate to release one book if he already published multiple other known ones before. he also pretty much states himself in "yae publishing house's invitation" that no matter how much they pester him, he'll only write under his real name. his real name is chang the ninth and his author name is chang the ninth (as aratani refers to him. like how she refers to xingqiu as "zhenyu")
@@besma67 he is Mr. Nine. The hard evidence is the fact that if we switch the subs to German, Mr. Nine becomes Mr. Chang. But yes Chang the Ninth is his full name, so he uses the surname Nine
@@mimiisbored8622 a surname isn't a real name. his surname is big nine. his real name is chang the ninth. his author name that aratani refers to him as is "chang the ninth" which literally indicates that that's his author name.
if we're talking different localisations then chang the ninth in french is "chang le neuvieme" meanwhile mr. nine is "monsieur jiu". it doesn't mean anything. if you give me the chinese version i'd understand what u mean but please, the german one?
i already gave you so much evidence that he's not the author of fischl's story. if he was so famous that he wrote six volumes and a spin off of stories. he wouldn't scramble to join a contest and be called mediocre at best with his sales.
@@besma67 a surname is the back of someone's name?? Like if your name is John White your surname would be White. Plus if Mr. Nine was in German, it would be Herr Neun. But it's specifically Herr Chang. Chang is not a German word, it's a name
@@mimiisbored8622 monsieur jiu =/= chang le neuvieme. i rest my case
Vera's melancholy weird af
Lumine is the divine halberd
Speak louder bruv
can't wait to catch roozevelt at twitch.tv/owletdesu for their lore love-making live!!