This is one of a few archery channels that gives out useful and understandable good info, without fuss and showing off, subbed. Thank you from Croatia!
A big thank to both of you from Germany. I appreciate your work, the Book and the Videos. You have been a great help in my thumb release journey. There is one thing, that I cannot grasp mentally from your book. It is the Rotation of the bow shoulder. I just keep it as low as possible in a very conscious way. Maybe this is an Idea for short video in the future.
You work well together, and produce a format that I find easy to follow. I understand you produce an Asiatic Archery book, I will have to look for it as I am sure it will be full of information that a beginner in Asiatic archery would find essential. I thought all I would have to do was order an Asiatic bow that I liked the look of, and six arrows and i would be ready to go to the field. I am now aware that there is a lot more to learn, even before I pick up a bow, so hopefully with your video's and your book, i will avoid expensive beginner mistakes, for that alone I thank you.
Thanks guys, very useful. I've been thinking about inserting thin weights into the ends of natural bamboo shafts to try to help match weights/ spines when building arrows as they're mostly hollow anyway. I can get them grouped by spine rating but the weights are all over the place..
Answered a lot of my questions. I have just discovered Asiatic archery...yes a Caveman,lol. I shot Compound for years and never cared for Re-curve. Now these Asiatic bows....WOW, works of art. Question I had was how would Carbon/Aluminum work? I assumed that the wood would be the ticket....figure the speed of bow wouldnt allow shooting stiff aluminum. Assumed you would need the better bend at shot you get from wood....I see I was wrong. Its just not as popular style of bow found in my area..USA. I have dabbled in Long Bows, but Asiatic style is new for me. Fell in love on TH-cam,LOL. Now the question I have, I am looking at a bow from AliBow...they recommend HEAVY arrows, like Manchoo arrows. I am only looking to draw 30"max so bow says 50# at 30" . its theTibetan "Qinghai" by AliBow...just in case you need a style for reference. Would Aluminum at the right weight be too stiff? By your video I assume it would work? I am rookie here, I will yeild to your experience! I have access to Aluminum and Carbon(which I love for compound bow) a lot easier to find in my local Bow Shop. Thanks in advance, Guys! Oh and you got another sub
as far as i know, AliBow only recommend heavier arrows only for certain types of bows they make. I think the best way to get recommended arrows is to get them from the same producers of the bows. Just like Korean Traditional Bow from Freddie archery, they also sell suitable arrows. However, the price is very high.
Hello Jie and Justin !!! Your video is awesome and full of information , so easy to understand and perfect for a beginner in archery like me ! A huge thanks from Japan 🇯🇵! Btw what bow are you using ?
Can you put up a list of traditional arrow makers you trust and how to get hold of them via email or other means, I have in the past bought lots of pre made arrows or plain bamboo shafts claiming to be Tonkin or Golden bamboo that clearly aren't, or are just low end of the quality scale, I mostly shoot Korean traditional style short bows, any help with decent makers and suppliers would truly be appreciated. Yours sincerely, Andy P.
I’m not a big fan of carbon products. I have been an angler for a lot longer than an archer. I have had carbon rods break whilst fishing never occurred whilst using hollow fibre glass rods. Currently I use fibre glass arrows, they aren’t drawn arrows they rolled F glass. When they break it is across the arrow at not down its length. I use bows between 30#/40# as I’m just a back garden archer. Like your vids.
I love you guys' videos. I've been shooting three under for years but have always been intrigued by horse bows. I FINALLY bought one today and am stoked. So I do have an arrow spine question if you have time to answer. I'm using .340 spine arrows with 200 grain tips for my recurve, which cut to center on the shelf. My new bow is a Korean bow which I'm drawing with my thumb. I generally shoot 200 grain tips no matter what and this bow is a little weak for that at 35 lbs at 30 inches. I draw 31 with my thumb. Can you steer me towards a decent starting point for spine strength? I'm a nut case when it comes to arrow flight. Hence the novella...lol. This little Kaya bow is already grouping well and shoots more consistently than my recurves:)
Thanks. I'd say try the .340 spine first and observe how the arrow flies. You generally want to go a little stiffer than what the spine charts recommends, since those assume the archer is using 3-finger release. That said, I imagine .400 spine might work as well for the draw weight in question.
@@TheWayofArchery Hey thanks so much for getting back to me:) So I ended using a .400 spine with 245 grains up front, which I never would've expected. I haven't shot bare shaft yet but I do feel like they're a little weak but still fly like darts, nonetheless. I was shooting well on the first day so the search has begun for my "keeper" bow in a higher draw weight. Love your videos and thanks for the reply.
Very nice presentation. My one challenge with Asiatic archery, is to find arrows long enough for the longer draw. I have discovered the Black Eagle brand that is readily available in the USA. Check them out. You can get them up to 34" long. The shafts are made in Korea, but the finished arrows are made in the USA. You can get them from Three Rivers Archery.
@@ehisey Yes, I have some of their long arrows, as well as two of their bows. Wonderful products, but I do not like to wait a month for the China Post and no tracking of my order. Three Rivers delivers within days and offers a tracking number almst immediately.
Vanes are a lot heavier than feathers. I prefer feathers, but they're good for adding weight to an arrow that is a bit too stiff for you. It'll alter the point of balance too.
@@2bingtim Yes, vanes are heavier but to be clear, adding weight at the nock end of the arrow will make the 'spine' of the arrow behave more stiff. More weight at the tip will reduce the spine of the arrow.
Rites of Zhou makes reference to tapering the front of the arrow shaft, presumably for wooden arrows. I have seen barreled antique arrows from the Qing dynasty.
I start with the recurve chart but typically go one size stiffer. For example if a Gold Tip spine chart for recurves recommends 400 spine for 50--55#@28", then I end up going to 340 spine.
thx for the knowladge and ur closed quiver is similar to cuman archery or nomadic turkic tribe at 11 century and i like the quiver whare can i buy it 😊
See lots of arrow charts for English Longbows, Recurves and Flatbows - are there any accurate ones for Asiatic bows? (SPecifically looking at wooden arrows)
Haven't received my bow yet, where does everyone get their arrows from? Looking for a beginner set of arrows before upgrading to higher quality arrows with better fletches
The hardest thing about Asiatic Archery is trying to find the right arrows. I got a Black Shadow #40 for Christmas. I've been shooting it thumb release with my normal recurve arrows (which are already long and heavy 34'' 500-650 grain) but it has erratic arrow flight. BTW all my arrows are Right-Wing feather fletch and think that's causing the erratic arrow flight. Should I use just Straight feathers lighter arrows?
@@TheWayofArchery My draw length around 30.5''- 31''. 31'' is the max draw length for my Black Shadow. 300 spine for my (650grains)heavier arrows, 350 spine (500). 1.5''-2'' margin at full draw.
As Justin says below, it could be arrow spine or release but it will not be arrow fetching. Remember too that your bow draw weight is usually measured at 28" - some asiatic bows are measured at longer draw lengths so check bow specs. But assuming a draw weight at 28" of say 40lbs you need to add about 2lbs to 2.5lbs of draw weight for each inch over 28". In your example with a 31" draw you are pulling about 46 to 48 pound draw weight and this means you will need a heavier spined arrow. Also if you use a heavier point, you effectively soften the arrow spine which again can cause erratic arrow flight. Your starting point needs to be to clarify bow draw weight and your draw length and then use a spine calculator (many available online) to see what spine and tip weight combination you need for your arrow length. Get your arrows flying straight and everything else will be easier to master.
Is it harmful to shoot heavier arrows? I know light ones can damage your bow. But how about heavy ones? I have a 40 pound bow, and I shoot 40 gram arrows. Also, I did the measurement for my draw length and it's 40 inches. Should I start using a manchu bow or something then? 😁
Have to draw bows with back muscle. You will feel it in your shoulder if you pull with just arm. I would recommend high draw or horizontal draw. You'll see horizontal alot in competition.
Not really, just so long as there's enough weight for the bow to work with(too light arrows are like dry-firing). Heavy arrows work fine,they just don't go so far or fast. But they do hit harder, using the power of the bow more efficiently. That was why heavier arrows were preferred for war, not just because of the stronger bows but to penetrate shield & armour better.
This is one of a few archery channels that gives out useful and understandable good info, without fuss and showing off, subbed. Thank you from Croatia!
nothing wrong with a little showing off but i see what u mean
I feel this is a great video for beginner , intermediate, to pro!
A big thank to both of you from Germany. I appreciate your work, the Book and the Videos. You have been a great help in my thumb release journey. There is one thing, that I cannot grasp mentally from your book. It is the Rotation of the bow shoulder. I just keep it as low as possible in a very conscious way. Maybe this is an Idea for short video in the future.
Thank you from France!
Your videos are really professional and simple, a great value for beginners or average archers. :)
really beautiful arrows specialy those in wood and bamboo ... pretty arrows
You work well together, and produce a format that I find easy to follow. I understand you produce an Asiatic Archery book, I will have to look for it as I am sure it will be full of information that a beginner in Asiatic archery would find essential.
I thought all I would have to do was order an Asiatic bow that I liked the look of, and six arrows and i would be ready to go to the field. I am now aware that there is a lot more to learn, even before I pick up a bow, so hopefully with your video's and your book, i will avoid expensive beginner mistakes, for that alone I thank you.
A good informative video, well explained. Thank you from Norway.
I will have to pick up your book and see the similarities and differences between Turkish, Korean, and Chinese styles. Subbed.
Thanks guys, very useful. I've been thinking about inserting thin weights into the ends of natural bamboo shafts to try to help match weights/ spines when building arrows as they're mostly hollow anyway. I can get them grouped by spine rating but the weights are all over the place..
Great video guys, full of information and very useful
Really great explanation guys and a fabulous video. Thanks :)
Thanks guys. I guess I am gonna have to rethink all of my stuff and approach 🙃.
Great video and indispensable help.
🙂👍🇨🇦
love your content... you seem like good people also
Answered a lot of my questions. I have just discovered Asiatic archery...yes a Caveman,lol. I shot Compound for years and never cared for Re-curve. Now these Asiatic bows....WOW, works of art. Question I had was how would Carbon/Aluminum work? I assumed that the wood would be the ticket....figure the speed of bow wouldnt allow shooting stiff aluminum. Assumed you would need the better bend at shot you get from wood....I see I was wrong. Its just not as popular style of bow found in my area..USA. I have dabbled in Long Bows, but Asiatic style is new for me. Fell in love on TH-cam,LOL. Now the question I have, I am looking at a bow from AliBow...they recommend HEAVY arrows, like Manchoo arrows. I am only looking to draw 30"max so bow says 50# at 30" . its theTibetan "Qinghai" by AliBow...just in case you need a style for reference. Would Aluminum at the right weight be too stiff? By your video I assume it would work? I am rookie here, I will yeild to your experience! I have access to Aluminum and Carbon(which I love for compound bow) a lot easier to find in my local Bow Shop. Thanks in advance, Guys! Oh and you got another sub
as far as i know, AliBow only recommend heavier arrows only for certain types of bows they make.
I think the best way to get recommended arrows is to get them from the same producers of the bows. Just like Korean Traditional Bow from Freddie archery, they also sell suitable arrows. However, the price is very high.
Hello Jie and Justin !!!
Your video is awesome and full of information , so easy to understand and perfect for a beginner in archery like me !
A huge thanks from Japan 🇯🇵!
Btw what bow are you using ?
Can you put up a list of traditional arrow makers you trust and how to get hold of them via email or other means, I have in the past bought lots of pre made arrows or plain bamboo shafts claiming to be Tonkin or Golden bamboo that clearly aren't, or are just low end of the quality scale, I mostly shoot Korean traditional style short bows, any help with decent makers and suppliers would truly be appreciated.
Yours sincerely,
Andy P.
The details in your Info is outstanding !! Wish you well fella`s, >> Thank You !!
Great informative video.
I’m not a big fan of carbon products. I have been an angler for a lot longer than an archer. I have had carbon rods break whilst fishing never occurred whilst using hollow fibre glass rods. Currently I use fibre glass arrows, they aren’t drawn arrows they rolled F glass. When they break it is across the arrow at not down its length. I use bows between 30#/40# as I’m just a back garden archer. Like your vids.
....thx, good job.
I love you guys' videos. I've been shooting three under for years but have always been intrigued by horse bows. I FINALLY bought one today and am stoked. So I do have an arrow spine question if you have time to answer. I'm using .340 spine arrows with 200 grain tips for my recurve, which cut to center on the shelf. My new bow is a Korean bow which I'm drawing with my thumb. I generally shoot 200 grain tips no matter what and this bow is a little weak for that at 35 lbs at 30 inches. I draw 31 with my thumb. Can you steer me towards a decent starting point for spine strength? I'm a nut case when it comes to arrow flight. Hence the novella...lol. This little Kaya bow is already grouping well and shoots more consistently than my recurves:)
Thanks.
I'd say try the .340 spine first and observe how the arrow flies. You generally want to go a little stiffer than what the spine charts recommends, since those assume the archer is using 3-finger release. That said, I imagine .400 spine might work as well for the draw weight in question.
@@TheWayofArchery Hey thanks so much for getting back to me:) So I ended using a .400 spine with 245 grains up front, which I never would've expected. I haven't shot bare shaft yet but I do feel like they're a little weak but still fly like darts, nonetheless. I was shooting well on the first day so the search has begun for my "keeper" bow in a higher draw weight. Love your videos and thanks for the reply.
Good videos Guys
nice
Very nice presentation. My one challenge with Asiatic archery, is to find arrows long enough for the longer draw. I have discovered the Black Eagle brand that is readily available in the USA. Check them out. You can get them up to 34" long. The shafts are made in Korea, but the finished arrows are made in the USA. You can get them from Three Rivers Archery.
Still too short :). Alibow out of China sells up to 37" arrows.
@@ehisey Yes, I have some of their long arrows, as well as two of their bows. Wonderful products, but I do not like to wait a month for the China Post and no tracking of my order. Three Rivers delivers within days and offers a tracking number almst immediately.
Woodglut has very good and accurate plans.
Should we always use feathers for our fletchings in this style? Or can we use vanes?
Feathers are preferred because they won't bounce off the handle or rub/smack/cut your hand as much as plastic vanes.
Vanes are a lot heavier than feathers. I prefer feathers, but they're good for adding weight to an arrow that is a bit too stiff for you. It'll alter the point of balance too.
@@2bingtim Yes, vanes are heavier but to be clear, adding weight at the nock end of the arrow will make the 'spine' of the arrow behave more stiff. More weight at the tip will reduce the spine of the arrow.
Are there any oval shaped arrows in asiatic archery (just like turkish/ottoman style) ?
Or are the arrows only cylindrical?
👍🇨🇦🙂
Rites of Zhou makes reference to tapering the front of the arrow shaft, presumably for wooden arrows. I have seen barreled antique arrows from the Qing dynasty.
I grow bamboo never thought of making arrows.
It's been described as "natures carbon" as shafts.
Do you use the recurve or the longbow spine chart? I find recurve to be better.
Like on the GT traditional spine chart. On back of box.
I start with the recurve chart but typically go one size stiffer. For example if a Gold Tip spine chart for recurves recommends 400 spine for 50--55#@28", then I end up going to 340 spine.
thx for the knowladge and ur closed quiver is similar to cuman archery or nomadic turkic tribe at 11 century and i like the quiver whare can i buy it 😊
Please contact my equipment retail email at cinnabarbow@gmail.com. I happen to sell the "Arcat Del" listed here: photos.app.goo.gl/uWV9qu8VjcaN3KgBA
Bro I’m buying Kheshig Ali bow. What kind of arrow for deer hunting ? Thanks
See lots of arrow charts for English Longbows, Recurves and Flatbows - are there any accurate ones for Asiatic bows? (SPecifically looking at wooden arrows)
My experience is to go one size stiffer compared to what the charts offer for longbows/recurves.
Haven't received my bow yet, where does everyone get their arrows from? Looking for a beginner set of arrows before upgrading to higher quality arrows with better fletches
You might consider getting Gold Tip Traditional (carbon arrows). Pretty easy to obtain from online retailers.
@@TheWayofArchery Thanks for the recommendation and appreciate the content that you create, learning a lot.
The hardest thing about Asiatic Archery is trying to find the right arrows. I got a Black Shadow #40 for Christmas. I've been shooting it thumb release with my normal recurve arrows (which are already long and heavy 34'' 500-650 grain) but it has erratic arrow flight. BTW all my arrows are Right-Wing feather fletch and think that's causing the erratic arrow flight. Should I use just Straight feathers lighter arrows?
What is your draw length (are you pulling all the way to the end of your arrow, or leaving some margin)? What is the spine of your arrow?
@@TheWayofArchery My draw length around 30.5''- 31''. 31'' is the max draw length for my Black Shadow. 300 spine for my (650grains)heavier arrows, 350 spine (500). 1.5''-2'' margin at full draw.
renthal971 Gotcha... well could be spine, but then again it could be release technique. Hard to diagnose without seeing in person.
As Justin says below, it could be arrow spine or release but it will not be arrow fetching. Remember too that your bow draw weight is usually measured at 28" - some asiatic bows are measured at longer draw lengths so check bow specs. But assuming a draw weight at 28" of say 40lbs you need to add about 2lbs to 2.5lbs of draw weight for each inch over 28". In your example with a 31" draw you are pulling about 46 to 48 pound draw weight and this means you will need a heavier spined arrow. Also if you use a heavier point, you effectively soften the arrow spine which again can cause erratic arrow flight. Your starting point needs to be to clarify bow draw weight and your draw length and then use a spine calculator (many available online) to see what spine and tip weight combination you need for your arrow length. Get your arrows flying straight and everything else will be easier to master.
Is it harmful to shoot heavier arrows? I know light ones can damage your bow. But how about heavy ones? I have a 40 pound bow, and I shoot 40 gram arrows.
Also, I did the measurement for my draw length and it's 40 inches. Should I start using a manchu bow or something then? 😁
Have to draw bows with back muscle. You will feel it in your shoulder if you pull with just arm. I would recommend high draw or horizontal draw. You'll see horizontal alot in competition.
Not really, just so long as there's enough weight for the bow to work with(too light arrows are like dry-firing). Heavy arrows work fine,they just don't go so far or fast. But they do hit harder, using the power of the bow more efficiently. That was why heavier arrows were preferred for war, not just because of the stronger bows but to penetrate shield & armour better.
Is this the guy from Marco polo
That's called a weed scale man lmao no but that's what I used