The Saturn V's Direction Problem

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  • @primalspace
    @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +135

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    • @antondavydov8139
      @antondavydov8139 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What is the reason the Starship doesn't have a launch escape system?

    • @10thmountainsoldier90
      @10thmountainsoldier90 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Love your videos and your narration voice!

    • @Roofluffer
      @Roofluffer ปีที่แล้ว +3

      im sorry what... another ad? in the comments... wow really pushing a game ill never play thanks to the incessant ads

    • @carkawalakhatulistiwa
      @carkawalakhatulistiwa ปีที่แล้ว

      Is just mecanical computers

    • @dougsmyth8582
      @dougsmyth8582 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm curious now if modern day GPS does away with all of this for current rockets, or are gyros still required for the launch phase.
      I have a feeling gyro's are still required in space to keep tabs of orientation.

  • @timbotron4000
    @timbotron4000 ปีที่แล้ว +2100

    It's absolutely incredible that the Saturn V went from paper design to flight in just six years. Such small but crucial details like this are mind-blowing

    • @Nghilifa
      @Nghilifa ปีที่แล้ว +155

      And to add to that, they launched 5 of them within the span of a year from Dec 1968 to Nov 1969 (Apollo 8,9,10,11,12). Just imagine the VAB with 3 Saturn V's stacked at the same time (It could hold 3 at any given time, so Apollo 8,9 & 10 must have been stacked to various degrees of completion at the same time)!
      We're not going to see that kind of operational tempo again in our lifetimes.

    • @imEden0
      @imEden0 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      I think the VAB can and could hold four. It’s just that we never needed that launch cadence. Fun fact: if we did, they could have expanded the building since it was built to be expanded. That’s why the crawlerways loop so far around the building

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +77

      Agreed. It really is incredible to think about.

    • @goldenfloof5469
      @goldenfloof5469 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@Nghilifa Well starship is almost 4 years into its development and actually has a realistic chance of launching for the first time next month. And if they manage to get it to a turn around time even remotely comparable to falcon 9, then it's gonna blow the Saturn V out of the water in terms of launches per year.
      Heck, they're working an a large number of them at the same time, like 5 or 6, and they can produce them so fast that they've scrapped like 5 orbit capable rockets. Just because, for a time, they were advancing the design so fast that they were becoming outdated so early on in the building and testing cycle that it wasn't worth putting more effort into them.

    • @nirbhayatiwari5425
      @nirbhayatiwari5425 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@goldenfloof5469 Correct brother ...
      Also by utilizing just ~50% capacity of B7 33 Raptors they produced more thrust (7.9 million pounds) than the full thrust produced by Saturn V on liftoff (7.8 million pounds only oncefor Skylab and 7.5 million pounds of thrust for Apollo Missions ) ....
      But Yes we all know that Starship will surely be a better rocket than Saturn V but considering the condition and technologies of 60's I believe for 100% that Saturn V was and will be a masterpiece machinery ever built by humans ....

  • @KriegZombie
    @KriegZombie ปีที่แล้ว +4100

    I was told that the missile always knows where it is because it knows where it isn't.

    • @The-Real-Laepi
      @The-Real-Laepi ปีที่แล้ว +431

      By subtracting where it is from where it isn’t or where it isn’t from where it is, whichever is greater, the guidance computer acquires a difference or deviation.

    • @Xavier1...
      @Xavier1... ปีที่แล้ว +86

      I came here just to comment on this. I guess i was beaten to it

    • @HarshitSingh-mm4ks
      @HarshitSingh-mm4ks ปีที่แล้ว +19

      ​@@Xavier1... r/beatmetoit

    • @degenetron7590
      @degenetron7590 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Saturn v is a glorified missile

    • @yos3234
      @yos3234 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Fr

  • @Nova-pr5cw
    @Nova-pr5cw ปีที่แล้ว +400

    Crazy I can think of millions of things which can go wrong in such a delicate system, this stuff worked is a miracle on its own kudos to engineers and everyone who were involved in building this

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Agreed. It's pretty mind blowing to think about just how precise they needed to be. It was a lot of fun to learn about for me as well.

    • @AFuller2020
      @AFuller2020 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      When you have good engineering and process, it all works… now compare that to SpacSex.

    • @subjekt5577
      @subjekt5577 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yup. Largest successful rocket ever, that absurd amount of shaking and vibration, enough decibels to suffocate you from the impact force, and this little fucking gyro stays stable enough through all that while remaining precise

    • @lajoswinkler
      @lajoswinkler 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      On the contrary, it wasn't delicate. It was robust. It needed to be robust.

    • @robrussell5329
      @robrussell5329 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You can think of millions of things that can go wrong??? You must be a pretty awesome engineer!!

  • @devindykstra
    @devindykstra ปีที่แล้ว +774

    The 3d animation in this one is absolutely on point! Great job!

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Thank you so much! Really glad that you enjoyed it!

    • @imEden0
      @imEden0 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@primalspace Can you do more on Saturn v guidance?

    • @jonslg240
      @jonslg240 ปีที่แล้ว

      When your rocket is on the earth and pointing straight up, that doesn't change as the earth rotates..
      It's still straight up vs the earths center of mass..
      *So this guy is kinda selling us a "bill of goods" when he says "as the earth rotates the rocket is no longer pointing straight up.*
      It might not be pointing at your target anymore, but if it's pointing straight up vs the field of gravity, then it's always pointing straight up and earths rotation does not change that.

    • @jonslg240
      @jonslg240 ปีที่แล้ว

      The further I watch this video the more I realise this channel must be a "space for dummies" channel..
      ..a channel for people who've never watched the more advanced channels.
      Nothing wrong with that, just don't oversell it

    • @devindykstra
      @devindykstra ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@jonslg240 what's so bad with that? If he's able to simplify these really advanced topics into a simple video for "dummies" isn't that a good thing?
      Also a rocket's reference frame does change as the earth rotates, and that obviously needs to be corrected for. To my knowledge everything in the video is accurate.

  • @paulhsv1121
    @paulhsv1121 ปีที่แล้ว +612

    My Dad was part of the team that designed that gyro. He also had a patent to the gyro mounted on the lunar rover. I bragged to my sons one time that I had my fingerprints in space. I work in aerospace industry. He immediately replied, “I have my fingerprints on the moon.” Check mate. 😂

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +77

      That's amazing! Now I want to read about the Lunar rover's gyro. Is your Dad still with us? He must have been very proud of what he did for the Apollo program.

    • @paulhsv1121
      @paulhsv1121 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      @@primalspace unfortunately he passed recently.

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +68

      Sorry to hear that.

    • @alex.m901
      @alex.m901 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Small world... my dad was the lead engineer of that team.

    • @BabbyCat3008
      @BabbyCat3008 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      My dad was the assistant programmer on the team.

  • @ob0273
    @ob0273 ปีที่แล้ว +419

    I am speechless. The Saturn V was so incredible piece of engineering. Imagine having this gyro mechanism on a rocket today - that's absolutely unthinkable 🤯

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +96

      Agreed. I still marvel at how these kinds of problems are even identified ... let alone solved. Pretty incredible.

    • @noop9k
      @noop9k ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Today you can just use GPS while on earth and have some cameras to detect sun and stars.

    • @goldenfloof5469
      @goldenfloof5469 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@noop9k You could just use GPS for the entire flight.

    • @sheeplord4976
      @sheeplord4976 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Almost every jet on earth has a modern version if this system, but they use lasers instead of gyros now.

    • @HailAnts
      @HailAnts ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@goldenfloof5469 - You couldn't use GPS for a trip to the Moon. After TLI the ship would eventually exceed the limits of the range of GPS transmitters on the satellites orbiting the Earth.

  • @VintageAviation737
    @VintageAviation737 ปีที่แล้ว +134

    in my opinion I think that the Saturn V / CSM/ LM were the best vehicles ever designed. All of their issues were solved so cleverly using 60s era technology. Really goes to show what a special team NASA had during the Apollo era.

    • @dannypipewrench533
      @dannypipewrench533 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I agree completely. The Saturn V may be surpassed in capability (not yet but soon), but nothing will ever beat in the fact that it worked so well despite having been developed with such earlier methods. Yeah, we can use all sorts of great computer simulations now to almost guarantee the thing will work before it ever flies, but the Saturn V worked without such advantages.

    • @iPodGuyDK
      @iPodGuyDK ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@dannypipewrench533 Honestly, the Saturn V was so ahead of its time.

    • @dannypipewrench533
      @dannypipewrench533 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@iPodGuyDK Indeed it was.

    • @josephkanowitz6875
      @josephkanowitz6875 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ב''ה, דייו האמת, may He comfort the survivors - except for that problem with the first revision of the manned portion.

    • @Bertinator-nm9ld
      @Bertinator-nm9ld 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The Apollo team also had LOTS of money to work with. That's something critical that NASA doesn't have now.

  • @lewismassie
    @lewismassie ปีที่แล้ว +183

    There was a soviet launch that was aborted before liftoff. About 30 minutes later the launch escape system activated itself and launched the capsule away from the rocket. It was later found that the internal gyros had read the rotation of the earth as the rocket flying off course and activated the LES

    • @quantumblur_3145
      @quantumblur_3145 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      let this be a lesson in turning off the lights

    • @fridaycaliforniaa236
      @fridaycaliforniaa236 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      This is why « guidance is internal » only comes at the last moment. Also, you often had more accurate sensor data when getting them from the ground, in particular if we talk about navigation. If I remember right what I've seen in some articles about the Apollo Guidance Computer and the systems related to it, its function was mostly to serve as a confirmation of what the tracking stations on Earth provided as data for navigation of the CSM module (because the onboard systems had less computing power and were less accurate).

  • @anirprasadd
    @anirprasadd ปีที่แล้ว +88

    Most people don't realize that the Saturn V was the epitome of human engineering at the time. The sheer number of innovations and breakthroughs, along with solving the engineering challenges involved makes it mind-boggling.

    • @evanfinch4987
      @evanfinch4987 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      "most people dont realize" yeah ok

    • @anirprasadd
      @anirprasadd 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@@evanfinch4987Yes, actually. A lot of them don't.

    • @robinwilliamsdouble5009
      @robinwilliamsdouble5009 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      American Ingenuity my friend, American ingenuity ! !

    • @ejzeiberg
      @ejzeiberg 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@robinwilliamsdouble5009 i have bad news for you regarding who designed the Saturn V my guy

    • @robinwilliamsdouble5009
      @robinwilliamsdouble5009 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @ejzeiberg ... the US government was uncomfortable with so many Germans in the rocket design program. Many Americans were brought in to help design rockets, write software, design the lunar module, provide parts, etc. for NASA. In fact, over 400,000 people worked for NASA alone. This is not counting the American companies like Rockwell, General Motors, IBM, The Grumman corporation, Lockheed Martin, Goodyear, etc.
      Like I said, American ingenuity

  • @mikefochtman7164
    @mikefochtman7164 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I worked with navigational gyrocompasses for the Navy at one point. They used a similar 'followup' system to sense the minute changes in gyro torques and amplify them for the actual platform positioning. And during startup, used a simple 'ball level erector' system that relied on simply steel balls in a shallow bowl-like compartment to 'detect down' when first starting up.

    • @thekidwhodraws
      @thekidwhodraws ปีที่แล้ว +9

      That’s how crayfish detect down! They have small rocks in their ear canal with very sensitive fibers surrounding the chamber that holds the small rock, so whatever side is receiving pressure from the rock, that way is down. Engineering following nature

    • @aaron8862006
      @aaron8862006 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@thekidwhodrawsGenuinely fascinating. 2 excellent replies.

  • @robrussell5329
    @robrussell5329 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    ... and it always worked. 15 launches. 15 successful launches.

  • @st0pdr0pandtr0ll
    @st0pdr0pandtr0ll ปีที่แล้ว +22

    As an engineering student myself, the visuals in this video are so helpful in conveying how the system works versus how it is described. Thank you so much for the amazing content!

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you so much. That's great to hear and I'm really glad you enjoyed the video!

  • @hydroxine2709
    @hydroxine2709 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    It always amazes me how many of these kind of "quirks" engineers had to come up with to put boots on the moon for the first time.

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Same! So many seemingly small things that can make such a huge difference.

    • @AttilaAsztalos
      @AttilaAsztalos ปีที่แล้ว

      And as a cautionary tale of what happens when obscure details like these are not considered carefully enough, we need look no farther than Soyuz 7K-OK-No.1, which thought it was flying off course and triggered its escape launcher while sitting on the pad after an aborted launch, merely due to Earth having rotated under it a few degrees...

    • @christopherbassit2757
      @christopherbassit2757 ปีที่แล้ว

      There is no moon you sheep. It’s all a big projection. How? It doesn’t rotate.

    • @quantumblur_3145
      @quantumblur_3145 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The combination of sophistication and jerry-rigged nonsense is so delightfully human

    • @evanfinch4987
      @evanfinch4987 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      just solving problems bruh

  • @rigel3294
    @rigel3294 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    This was the most sophisticated explanation ever given by you in this channel.
    I was so blown away that I grabbed my chair initially and prepared myself to boost my testosterone level at it's peak to make myself understand the complex engineering problems that needed to be solved in order to get a footprint on the moon.
    A BIG owe to you for making this video so easy to understand and fun to watch.

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Thank you so much for this comment. It really means a lot that you not only enjoyed the video, but learned something new about something we're all so passionate about here. Cheers!

    • @quantumblur_3145
      @quantumblur_3145 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What on EARTH is this

    • @Pax.YouTube
      @Pax.YouTube 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      On moon ​@@quantumblur_3145

    • @paolobonifacio7255
      @paolobonifacio7255 หลายเดือนก่อน

      damn.

  • @TFB-chris
    @TFB-chris ปีที่แล้ว +152

    Awesome video. Never heard about that before. I cannot imagine how much engineering, thought and work went into the Apollo program. Stunning

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Thank you so much! So glad that you enjoyed the video and were able to discover something new today!

    • @diverman1023
      @diverman1023 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Even the computers we use now to comment on this video have to give a lot of credit to the cutting edge compact and yet modular design of the Saturn V's onboard computer. When heavily funded back then, there was absolutely nothing that was out of reach for NASA and the numerous university departments that designed these systems from scratch

    • @SayAhh
      @SayAhh ปีที่แล้ว

      No need for engineering; it relies on prayer alone. /s

    • @TexasEngineer
      @TexasEngineer ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I worked on the Pershing Missile guidance in the Army. The guidance system was very similar except with accelerometers included and they all had air bearing. In the missle school they taught us how the German V2 rocket worked only and it used vacuume tubes instead on transistors. Von Braun was the genius behind the technology.

  • @thatAlex1337
    @thatAlex1337 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Wow, the Saturn V's gyroscope was truly a marvel of engineering! It's amazing how such a small device could help stabilize a rocket that was over 300 feet tall and weighing over 6 million pounds. It just goes to show the incredible attention to detail and precision that went into every aspect of the Apollo missions. Hats off to the brilliant minds behind the Saturn V's gyroscope!

    • @evanfinch4987
      @evanfinch4987 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      yeah and a few years later all that rube goldbergery was replaced with laser rings

  • @ack_
    @ack_ ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The level of accuracy required to make this kind of system, with such tiny elements, work, is astonishing. Thinking that a problem so complex was solved using 3 prisms and light is unreal.

  • @onalennasehume4586
    @onalennasehume4586 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    That tank insert was pretty funny

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Haha thanks! Glad you enjoyed that one!

  • @ceejay960
    @ceejay960 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The ingenuity of mankind never ceases to amaze me. Imagine how much thinking outside the box was required to build the Saturn V rocket!

  • @vibrolax
    @vibrolax 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    00:30 The inertial guidance system measures accelerations, not velocities. Accelerations are integrated to obtain velocities, and velocities are integrated to obtain position.

  • @KamazT4
    @KamazT4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    this isn’t my opinion but my uncle always believed the moon landings were fake. Listening to him talk about “how they faked it” was super fascinating but I also felt a little bad for him.

  • @PaulinaStopa
    @PaulinaStopa 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Interesting to see how advanced the Saturn V's guidance system was, especially when compared to other systems of the era. For instance, during the space race, there was a notable incident where a Russian rocket self-destructed on the launch pad. The rocket had switched to its onboard guidance system, but a hold was put on the launch. The safety protocols, mistakenly identifying that the rocket was not oriented correctly, triggered an explosion for 'safety' reasons. It's fascinating to see how each country tackled the monumental challenges of space navigation and the critical role that guidance systems played in these endeavors.

  • @becurious24x7
    @becurious24x7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I used to think about how simple it was and how much better a rocket with the same goal could be today... but this really changed that. The complexity of this system is absolutely mind-blowing, and is something that I feel like would be easier back when Apollo was flying versus trying the same thing today

  • @davidben-avram8298
    @davidben-avram8298 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's amazing to think about how complex the Saturn V gyro alignment was. This system enabled the rocket to accurately point in the right direction, despite the immense power and force of the launch. In order to understand how this system works, engineers had to understand complex concepts like the precession of gyroscopes, and the integration of multiple gyroscopes to provide an accurate orientation of the rocket - something that was an incredible feat of engineering in the 1960s. It's truly remarkable to think how much technology has advanced since then, and how much more complex our rockets have become

  • @Spartan2035
    @Spartan2035 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Every time I see a video about the Saturn V, I learn something new. But this infra red light calibration method is just mind blowingly awesome. Thank you for making this!

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So glad you enjoyed the video and that you were able to learn a little something new! Cheers!

  • @stevens-universe
    @stevens-universe ปีที่แล้ว +14

    How did the Saturn V's guidance system compare to the guidance systems used in rockets today?

    • @SeanBZA
      @SeanBZA ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Still is the ancestor of them, though the Saturn guidance system was developed in parallel with the missile guidance systems, as both were under development by the same companies, at the same time. Thus a lot of the problems share common solutions, though the modern ones have moved mostly away from mechanical gyro platforms, and instead use solid state gyro units, and rely on computers to correct them for drift, as that can easily be characterised during assembly and test, as you can use a reference platform to allow one axis at a time to be decoupled from rotation and get the inherent drift. They also use accelarometers, and computer based integration, to get velocity, and again to get distance, and then can use the ring gyro units to calculate a position, based off of initial conditions. Then you use things like GPS, or star trackers, to obtain the error you have, and use that as part of the drift correction applied. But the modern reference platforms are now so accurate that you have correction both for rotation of the earth, and also for rotation around the sun, and have to apply as well correction for the motion of the solar system around the galaxy core as well, simply because this does otherwise show up as a long term error.
      In the 1970's Boeing had inertial reference platforms that were stable enough that you could fly an autopilot based flight without any external correction, and have a single flight from London to Sydney do that flight, and at landing it would be within 100 feet of the true position. 3 separate gyro units in each inertial reference unit, and the logic would fault any single one that disagreed more than the specified amount, and still give a valid reference off the other 2, just with a caution that maintenance was required. 2 inertial units, just in case one failed, and as backup you also had the old standby magnetic compass, and the Decca beacon receiver to allow you to plot location, provided you did not use the wrong lane. Later on GPS with the Decca, until the Decca was finally phased out. But even in the 1990's Decca was still in use a lot, simply because the cost of retrofitting a lot of aircraft was expensive, so it was in use till almost every aircraft had been updated to both, before it eventually was slowly switched off world wide, though there are still a few stations running for some countries.

  • @TeslaMaxwell
    @TeslaMaxwell ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Love the animation and level of art in this video. Also that was the smoothest Segway to a sponsor spot. I almost believed they used a tank.

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Thanks so much! So glad that you enjoyed the video and got a kick out the sponsor haha. I try to keep things light around here haha

    • @genralty
      @genralty 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "the tank is then used to completely tear down the saturn v, since theres nothing to reset the gyros other than to rebuild it"

  • @Lunzicle
    @Lunzicle 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This gyro also single handily proves the earth is not flat. Boom!

    • @dachhh
      @dachhh 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It proves the earth rotates. It could stil be flat...

  • @-Daan-
    @-Daan- ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Really fun and details video. There where so many complex parts on the Saturn V, really impressive that they made this more than 50 years ago.

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Agreed. Incredibly impressive and inspiring to think about. So glad you enjoyed the video!

  • @dannypipewrench533
    @dannypipewrench533 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    3:13 The Apollo Program was so complex that I actually did not question the tank one bit.
    If I am not mistaken, there was an armored vehicle (troop transport, maybe?) a mile or so up the crawler way filled with firefighters.

  • @airinmikune9762
    @airinmikune9762 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's sad to think that there's a lot of people who insist the whole moon landing is just a hoax. Imagine the complexities this simple mechanism has just to know the position of the rocket. Now imagine how many more advance system the rocket have and everyone of them has to work in unison. It would be infinitely easier to just photoshop some image at that point but NASA manage to do it still, I just wish people would give them more credit than due.

  • @BiggestNoodle
    @BiggestNoodle ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Its just, amazing
    This type of tech is literally one of a kind, and that thing was made to PUT HUMANS ON THE MOON!
    i simply have no words, i am full of amazement.

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Agreed. Pretty mind blowing when you really sit back and think about it.

  • @iamwell-db
    @iamwell-db ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Amazing to see how many small yet important systems went into the design

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว

      Absolutely! So many seemingly small things that can make such a huge difference in the outcome.

  • @AM2013Plays
    @AM2013Plays ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's absolutely incredible that the Saturn V went from paper design to flight in just six years. Such small but crucial details like this are mind-blowing
    This was the most sophisticated explanation ever given by you in this channel.
    I was so blown away that I grabbed my chair initially and prepared myself to boost my testosterone level at it's peak to make myself understand the complex engineering problems that needed to be solved in order to get a footprint on the moon.

  • @n8dawg640
    @n8dawg640 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    How on earth do people think of this stuff, that system is wild

  • @YeTenuousUmbrae
    @YeTenuousUmbrae ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I used to work as a surveyor and i love all these technical explanations. I'm impressed they could do this in the 60s

  • @RowanFilms
    @RowanFilms ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Saturn v is just breathtaking I always find out more about it and it never fails to amaze me

  • @charliehanner
    @charliehanner ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's amazing how some of the basics we learn in Physics ends up being such a reliable system for rocket guidance... incredible - and just think of the evolution to solid state we are at today! Only ~60 years between the two

  • @sparrowthenerd
    @sparrowthenerd ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That's super cool, I had never thought about the fact that the IMU would get skewed by the earth's rotation during its time on the pad!

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Honestly, I hadn't thought too much about it either until I started learning about the system for this video. Every small detail really does matter.

    • @sparrowthenerd
      @sparrowthenerd ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@primalspace the amount of time cumulatively spent on the Apollo program to iron out details like this really is incredible

    • @joevignolor4u949
      @joevignolor4u949 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If the rocket sat on the launce pad for 12 hours the gyro platform would be completely upside down.

  • @pfranken
    @pfranken ปีที่แล้ว +2

    50 years plus and still discovering new things about this marvel. Wow. ❤

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว

      So glad you were able to learn something new in this one! Cheers!

  • @frayedsanity
    @frayedsanity ปีที่แล้ว +7

    That was really cool. I did read about the infa red laser thing a while ago, but learning exactly how it works is incredible. I've been learning so much about apollo and saturn lately.
    Great videos.

  • @liquidpatriot4480
    @liquidpatriot4480 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent video! I'm reminded of a Soyuz capsule that ejected off its rocket due to a guidance error tricking the computer into thinking it was dangerously off axis. Due to Earth's rotation the gyros went off alignment but not compensated for causing the rocket to think it was falling over and ignited the emergency escape rockets for the Soyuz.

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes! It's pretty mind blowing to think about just how many seemingly small things need to go right in order to keep a mission on track. These "small" things make such a huge difference. Thank you for sharing and so glad you enjoyed this one!

  • @the.starman
    @the.starman ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Don't worry, I've got you:
    The rocket knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the rocket from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
    In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the rocket is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the rocket must also know where it was.
    The rocket guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the rocket has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.

    • @dr4d1s
      @dr4d1s ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great explanation! I would have stopped at the rocket knows where it is because it knows where it isn't and left it at that. But you went the extra mile! I am sure it will help people better understand how guidance systems work.
      The correct answer is always in the comments. Thank you!

    • @rodrigolefever2426
      @rodrigolefever2426 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@dr4d1s its just a copy paste

  • @RideAcrossTheRiver
    @RideAcrossTheRiver ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The accuracy to 0.001 degree is 3.6 arcseconds. At lunar distance, this works out to maximum ~3.5 km drift from desired trajectory.

  • @PeterHamiltonz
    @PeterHamiltonz ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Absolutely amazing, I had no idea, and I say this as someone who has watched and read endlessly about Apollo. Love the level of detail in the video as well.

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you so much! I'm so glad you were able to learn something new today and that you enjoyed the video. Means a lot!

  • @nielslevert8185
    @nielslevert8185 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The level of engineering complexity required at the time is simply insane and really beautiful in its own way

  • @stevesgaming7475
    @stevesgaming7475 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How they engineered these things is utterly beyond me. True geniuses, all of them.

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed. Pretty amazing stuff!

  • @therealcaldini
    @therealcaldini 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hats off to the engineers who came up with this.

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agreed!

  • @theredsanic2570
    @theredsanic2570 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This absolutely changed my mind on the Saturn V -- I used to think about how simple it was and how much better a rocket with the same goal could be today... but this really changed that. The complexity of this system is absolutely mind-blowing, and is something that I feel like would be easier back when Apollo was flying versus trying the same thing today. I doubt anyone would have thought of it!

    • @SeanBZA
      @SeanBZA ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes, but remember them it was absolutely cutting edge, totally new, and something that had never been done before. After Saturn that technology went on to be used in so many things that you find all over, even if you do not see them at all, but those spin offs still are having a profound change in the modern world. The servo system there used to track the drift of the IMU with wind eventually landed up being used to correct the laser beam used to read your modern CD. DVD and BD player and recorder, similar problem resolved with the application of that design idea.

    • @markl2322
      @markl2322 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I sometimes think that modern technology, and modern engineers tend to over complicate their solutions. Some of the things that the Apollo program developed were the result of the simplest solutions.

  • @briarroseella7142
    @briarroseella7142 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I already understood that Saturn V was crazy impressive by understanding how powerful it was, but the more I learn about things like this, the more insane this rocket becomes. This is mindblowingly awesome!!!

  • @GladiatorSlows
    @GladiatorSlows ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow, I can't wait for Starship and Superheavy's orbital launch. The Saturn V really puts into perspective the class of rocket we can expect to see. Could be sometime next month!

  • @mrfrankiej932
    @mrfrankiej932 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This rocket has been retired for about 50 years now, and I'm still learning new things about it. What an astounding accomplishment and machine. Historians in 500 years will look at the first Moon landings and think damn, why did they stop? Why is there century wide gaps between the next flights.

  • @JesseTheRef
    @JesseTheRef ปีที่แล้ว +3

    We should have continued using the Saturn V. It was the best heavy lifter and had an almost perfect track record. Same for the Saturn I-B, that was a really workhorse booster that should have been used more.

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว

      💯💯💯

    • @dannypipewrench533
      @dannypipewrench533 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ABSOLUTELY! The Saturn V should have been allowed to evolve. Imagine all sorts of lengthening, new or additional stages and engines, and new spacecraft.
      Not to mention it remains surprisingly cost effective. Sure, SpaceX has it beat, but SpaceX has everyone beat in terms of price.

  • @tullyfisher
    @tullyfisher ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another awesome video! It's one thing to actually build those amazing devices but it's another thing to really (fore)see the need for these and to think about a process so well and so deep that that you don't "forget" to include it. This is also what fascinates me about (space)exploration.

  • @philipkudrna5643
    @philipkudrna5643 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Very interesting video - something I have actually not seen featured so far. Thank you, well done!

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks so much. So glad that you enjoyed it!

  • @davee1471
    @davee1471 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Woow Learning new things everyday. Thats cool

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว

      So glad you enjoyed this one! I had a great time putting it together!

  • @accouswk
    @accouswk 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Been fascinated with the Saturn V since 3rd grade - and still learning new things like this after so many years. Amazing

  • @jamesbulldogmiller
    @jamesbulldogmiller 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    @0:08 the image is reversed. The "S" is a mirror image. .

  • @fridaycaliforniaa236
    @fridaycaliforniaa236 ปีที่แล้ว

    It never ceases to amaze me that there's always new things we never talked about in the Apollo program. This seems like a never ending source of amazing engineering marvels discoveries.

  • @RudisBua
    @RudisBua ปีที่แล้ว +10

    the only bad thing about this channel is that there is only one video per month :/
    otherwise - great and interesting as always!

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So glad that you enjoyed the video and have been enjoying my content! I would love to be able to produce more videos for you guys each month. Still working on how to make that happen haha. Really appreciate the kind words and support!

    • @Lauti-cw2zs
      @Lauti-cw2zs ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@primalspace better to improve quality over quantity you know. Keep it up you are doing great!

  • @MandoMonge
    @MandoMonge 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It’s just mind blowing the amount of ingenuity and attention to detail required for something like this…IN THE 60’s!!!

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Absolutely mind-blowing for sure.

  • @chickynuggych
    @chickynuggych ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love your videos just so much. I lately became interested in space and this was really an other video to help me to know that I love spaceflight

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you so much! I'm so glad that you're enjoying the channel and my content! There's SO much to learn! Enjoy! :)

  • @tahsin549
    @tahsin549 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the most controversial space opinion is the idea that we should prioritize space exploration over addressing urgent problems here on Earth. While the exploration of space is undoubtedly exciting and holds enormous potential for scientific discovery and technological advancement, we must also recognize the pressing issues facing our planet, such as climate change, poverty, and inequality.
    That being said, I do believe that space exploration has an important role to play in addressing some of these challenges. For example, satellite technology can help us better understand and address climate change, while space-based solar power has the potential to provide clean energy for people around the world.
    Ultimately, I believe that we need to strike a balance between investing in space exploration and addressing the problems facing our planet. Both are important, and both require our attention and resources.

  • @sclyse
    @sclyse ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Your editing and explanations are amazing, also uploading once a month is worth the wait becuse your videos are 🔥

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you so much! I'm so glad that you enjoy the content and consider it worth the wait! Means a lot!

    • @sclyse
      @sclyse ปีที่แล้ว

      hey consider making a discord?

  • @TheCousinEddie
    @TheCousinEddie ปีที่แล้ว

    Every time I learn something new about the engineering of the Saturn V, I am so very impressed. I had no idea this system existed prior to watching the video.

  • @sabarib3492
    @sabarib3492 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Bro awesome video , I ❤️ ur dedication and hard work, good luck , I love science very much and I like how u r explaining everything details about space science.

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks so much! Really means a lot that you're enjoying the content!

  • @monty671
    @monty671 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    not a bad video. Concept was almost there. Missed the key reason why the system had to be spun up at least 5 hours ahead thou. But not bad.

  • @srivathsananand9884
    @srivathsananand9884 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    How the hell do humans come up with this stuff? 🤯🤯🤯

    • @Bruhnerd69
      @Bruhnerd69 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      smairt

    • @indy314159
      @indy314159 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This was before our brains were reduced to desicated husks by Tik Tok

  • @MultiSciGeek
    @MultiSciGeek ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Why does the video suddenly speed up at 1:15? Wtf

  • @Invisible_Socks
    @Invisible_Socks ปีที่แล้ว +1

    wow the amount of engineering involved is mind blowing. When I was a kid I was just in awe of rockets and space.

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว

      Same! Pretty amazing to think about!

  • @andycapp9063
    @andycapp9063 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The ingenuity of engineers 60 years ago is something to be proud of. Have we lost this ability to think through a problem.

  • @samyoder9741
    @samyoder9741 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is actually one of the coolest facts I have learned about the Saturn V. No one ever things about all of the incredible technology outside of the rocket that still helped it successful get to the moon!

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed. I really enjoyed putting this one together. Pretty wild to think that there are so many seemingly small things that can make such a huge difference.

  • @obbie1osias467
    @obbie1osias467 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    These are the important details that no Moon Landing Deniers and Flatearthers will never comprehend because it's much easier for them to believe in magic🤣🤣🤣

  • @sage12
    @sage12 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't, by subtracting where it is, from where it isn't, or where it isn't, from where it is, whichever is greater, it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance sub-system uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is, to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position where it was, is now the position that it isn't. In the event of the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has required a variation. The variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too, may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was. The missile guidance computance scenario works as follows: Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is, however it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subracts where it should be, from where it wasn't, or vice versa. By differentiating this from the algebraic sum og where it shouldn't be, and where it was. It is able to obtain a deviation, and a variation, which is called "air"

  • @planetsec9
    @planetsec9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    And here I thought rope core memory was the most obscure and convoluted component of the Saturn V that I learned about, wow

  • @air-studios
    @air-studios ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I Think the most beautiful machines are the ones that work with such analog technology. It will always be more impressive than any modern spacecraft like the starship

  • @TheTOMEK2905
    @TheTOMEK2905 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Most controversial space opinion?
    I think death of some people is unaviodable when conquering space and i think that people stand at the forefront of that endavour know that

    • @user-sn8oe5sb1b
      @user-sn8oe5sb1b ปีที่แล้ว

      That's not truly controversial, nor specific to space. A lot of things happen as we do our whole "being humans" thing, and one of them is death. We do our best to avoid it, but sometimes it's just not possible. We accept a number of deaths as an acceptable tradeoff. Some people die while driving, some die while flying, some die buying food, building things, etc.
      What we truly owe them is due diligence. Have you done everything within reason to avoid unnecessary deaths? Good, then let's go ahead. Sometimes that's enough, and sometimes it isn't and something happens. It's the toll we pay for progress.
      The unacceptable deaths are those that were predictable and preventable, like those on Challenger and Columbia, and yet we allowed them to happen for stupid political reasons. That, is not ok.

  • @Pixel_Forge_
    @Pixel_Forge_ ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My mat controversial space opinion may not be controversial at all but here goes. I feel the Venus is a better option for human colonization than Mars. The thing about Mars is it has low gravity, which causes bone decay. People who live on Mars for long periods of time, or are born on Mars, will have very weak bones that couldn’t support then should they come back to earth. However Venus has a gravity nearly the same as earths, and it’s thick atmosphere can be thinned making terraformation possible. Terraforming Mars would be difficult since an atmosphere would be stripped away again due to the planets low gravity, obviously not the case with Venus. Not the last point, but the last I’ll list here is the volcanic activity of Venus. Venus having so many active volcanos littered across its surface is an issue for the short sighted, but it actually provides soil that should be capable of growing plants.

  • @SapkotaFamily
    @SapkotaFamily ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Primal Space really make sponsors part like a joke.

    • @RyanSmith-nb1dm
      @RyanSmith-nb1dm ปีที่แล้ว

      Bro the tank ad got me 😂

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      haha glad you both enjoyed that one. I do what I can.

  • @MacElMasMancoDeTodos
    @MacElMasMancoDeTodos ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Why is people suddenly discussing why the Saturn V was confused with his launch position 60 years after??

  • @graealex
    @graealex 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    5:48 1/1000th of a degree isn't that precise actually. Depending on what the scale is.

  • @tntdoctor
    @tntdoctor ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The more you look into the Saturn V the more ingenious solutions you discover to problems that you never even knew existed and that's pretty cool

  • @mpdunner3698
    @mpdunner3698 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video! I watch the moon landing when I was a kid and everything Apollo topic since but didn't know they had to take the rotation of the earth into account. Very cool solution.

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว

      Very cool. So glad you enjoyed the video and were able to learn a little something new today!

  • @dareneveleigh987
    @dareneveleigh987 ปีที่แล้ว

    The amount of effort and engineering that wen't in to the rocket engines of the saturn V, only to be perfected by engineers, without having recorded the nuances to make them work the way they did. I would love that poster

  • @matteoandreuzza
    @matteoandreuzza ปีที่แล้ว

    I have loved space exploration since I was a child and when the teachers at school told me about the Apollo missions I was always amazed by how such an advanced system as the Saturn V rocket was able to transport men to the moon and above all as in so little time from a project became reality. I love space

  • @Magnus_989
    @Magnus_989 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The other day I kinda started ghosting one of my friends because he wouldn’t stop talking about how the moon landing was fake, I just can’t believe some people are still believing in stuff like that. Anyway I love watching ur videos because I aspire to become an astronaut one day! Thank you so much

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you so much and thank you for watching. So glad that you're enjoying the channel!

  • @derickmathews6831
    @derickmathews6831 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's actually crazy how much easier these kinds of systems have become with modern technology but yet we have not gotten a man back on the moon.

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not yet anyways haha

    • @u1zha
      @u1zha ปีที่แล้ว

      Mostly because there were no more competitors prone to get ahead of the US in the space race... Also men on the moon didn't accomplish much stuff that today's robots couldn't do... And a robot has been sent by China in 2019 you know... which means that a new race is on...
      Artemis is exciting of course, but still, sending people there is a large risk to their life and little practical return on that investment.

  • @basketballxhq3438
    @basketballxhq3438 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Its cool that a system in a hidden bunker helped it

  • @TK-cb7ww
    @TK-cb7ww 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    All with 60s tech is an insane feat

  • @EliteSnake
    @EliteSnake 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I still can't fathom we did this entire mission with less computing power than we have in our pockets now a days, but the level of engineering that went into this is always going to fascinate me

    • @AM-rd9pu
      @AM-rd9pu 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That’s not entirely true. The onboard computers were less powerful than a cellphone, but the computational heavy lifting for the missions was performed by ground based computers.

  • @JoshLoweSpace
    @JoshLoweSpace ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I know a lot about the Saturn V, but this was completely new to me! Didn't think i would be learning anything new but i was wrong. Great video!!

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks so much! So glad that you enjoyed this one and that you were able to learn something new about a topic you already know so much about!

  • @zlcoolboy
    @zlcoolboy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Everytime I learn more about the Saturn 5 I'm just more amazed.

  • @nojo9684
    @nojo9684 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I hold a lot of pride knowing my Grandfather worked on the Saturn V

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Very cool!

  • @mikefochtman7164
    @mikefochtman7164 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent explanation. IIRC, there was an unmanned rocket failure because of a problem like this. It's launch was delayed but the guidance system not updated for the earth's rotation. Upon launch it 'thought' it was going in the wrong direction and steered away from the desired flight path and had to be destroyed.
    (good explanation about how gyros use a 'followup system' to actually move the platform. The gryo forces themselves are just used to generate a tiny signal to the followup system itself.

  • @MrGruffteddybear
    @MrGruffteddybear 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That is fascinating. Never knew the gyroscope would go off kilter due to the earth’s rotation. Ingenious solutions to fix the problems.

  • @andycampbell91
    @andycampbell91 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you...I've wanted to understand this for so long!

  • @neoweiter
    @neoweiter 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One of the most informative video i've seen about the Saturn V. I completely ignored that ! Thank you

  • @actorious9646
    @actorious9646 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's cool seeing laws you learn in school being applied to real world issues, such as the law that the incident angle = angle of reflection.

  • @10Exahertz
    @10Exahertz ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So the 3 orthogonal gyros can calculate torque differences and send it to gimbal motors to align the system to the rockets axis.
    Why not just mount the center disk right to the Staurn V. Then its always on the rockets axis, the 3 gyros can tell u torque/rotational changes over time and you dont have to rely on the gimbal motors, some reduced complexity? I know there is a good reason why, but what is it?