Wow when you said the next videos were coming out soon, you weren't kidding around! Clearly Pericles' wait and see strategies aren't bearing fruit for the channel.
Very nice videos. It's always great to see some accurate series about a war so forgotten yet so historically relevant as the Peloponnesian War. Thucydides would be proud :)
Reminds me a bit about the 20th century wars in Europe. I read somewhere that WWI was a war between the Germans and the Slavs for control of Eastern Europe, and that since in the end there was no obvious leader, WWII had to be fought to determine the outcome. In that same way, the many wars between Sparta and Athens are merged to be the same war, since until an obvious dominant force emerges, there can be no peace, only truce.
This viewpoint is common knowledge in eastern European populations (specifically the Polish and Russians), and yet is ignored in western Europe and America, who's people prefer the idea that the Second World War was an ideological war between fascism and democracy. However, this ethnic conflict didn't start a few years before the First World War, but in the tenth century.
Well... for WWI specifically, mainly in the sense that Balkans were the only 'unclaimed' spheres of influence left available to Austria (AUS-PRU war 1866) and Russia (RUS-JAP war 1905). If Russia had won RUS-JAP the 'Asiatic' lobby might well have shifted policy towards expansion in C Asia/China - to the grave concern of UK. BUT yes, geographers like Mackinder did see Eastern Europe as a key to Eurasian domination so geopolitically, you could argue there was some long-term underlying conflict there.
I find the comparison Herfried Münkler makes (a relatively famous historian and political scientist from Germany) between the 30 Years War and the Peloponesian War much more fitting than between the Pelop. War and the two World Wars: The line between War and Peace is much less clear in the 30 Years War and the conflict between Athens and Sparta. Treaties are disregarded, everywhere are rebellions spawning and the civilians are equally seen as targets as the soldiers (The incredible losses of the 30YW are results of the rampant marauding and looting of the mercenaries and the resulting famines and epidemics. Similarily the raiding of Sparta in Attika and Athens on the coasts of the Peloponnes, targeting the farms or the people to persuade them to defect) Here is an Interview with him, where he talks a bit about the similarities between the 30YW and the Pelop. War (if you understand german ofc): th-cam.com/video/jlrQLJi5lDU/w-d-xo.html
Wow when you said the next videos were coming out soon, you weren't kidding around! Clearly Pericles' wait and see strategies aren't bearing fruit for the channel.
Very nice videos. It's always great to see some accurate series about a war so forgotten yet so historically relevant as the Peloponnesian War. Thucydides would be proud :)
Your channel is a gem of TH-cam
Please make a patreon, I really wanna give you money.
You are my favorite TH-camr by FAR and I love every single video you make.
Wooooooo!!!! I love these videos
Just want to say I really love your videos. Could you maybe do the geopolitics of France between the 30 years war and the revolution?
Again a great video. I hope you cover all of Alcerbides' shenanigans in full detail since he's so influential in the last phases of this war.
Really interesting video. I learned so much
Last time I was this early the Median empire was still around.
Athens will win. I'm certain.
Idk sparta has some good tactics
michael, if money wins wars then they should win
damn this video needs Ph.D to follow, i lost in the mists of all names and arrows
Please do the Spartan vs Argos war
thanks, man, as always great video and engaging content!
Please make a Patreon account I want to send you money
I never clicked on a recommendation so fast!
Great stuff as always.
P a c k a g e d e a l
Damn I am so hyped for part 4
5:27 Aetolians being a thorn in the side of Hellenic powers, classic.
This series is amazing. Shame I didn’t see it on caspianreport, so i could have found the channel sooner
These are so good!
i love how detailed your videos are and how much analysis you put into them. You are so smart
Nice vid
Kleon was killed at the beach of Amphepolis. Everyone knows that :-)
Love your content, do you plan for a patreon site?
11 minutes after posting i am surely the
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Reminds me a bit about the 20th century wars in Europe. I read somewhere that WWI was a war between the Germans and the Slavs for control of Eastern Europe, and that since in the end there was no obvious leader, WWII had to be fought to determine the outcome. In that same way, the many wars between Sparta and Athens are merged to be the same war, since until an obvious dominant force emerges, there can be no peace, only truce.
This viewpoint is common knowledge in eastern European populations (specifically the Polish and Russians), and yet is ignored in western Europe and America, who's people prefer the idea that the Second World War was an ideological war between fascism and democracy. However, this ethnic conflict didn't start a few years before the First World War, but in the tenth century.
Well... for WWI specifically, mainly in the sense that Balkans were the only 'unclaimed' spheres of influence left available to Austria (AUS-PRU war 1866) and Russia (RUS-JAP war 1905). If Russia had won RUS-JAP the 'Asiatic' lobby might well have shifted policy towards expansion in C Asia/China - to the grave concern of UK.
BUT yes, geographers like Mackinder did see Eastern Europe as a key to Eurasian domination so geopolitically, you could argue there was some long-term underlying conflict there.
Mateusz Surdziel can’t really blame the West for it. They’re pretty much dragged into those two world wars thanks to defensive alliances.
I find the comparison Herfried Münkler makes (a relatively famous historian and political scientist from Germany) between the 30 Years War and the Peloponesian War much more fitting than between the Pelop. War and the two World Wars: The line between War and Peace is much less clear in the 30 Years War and the conflict between Athens and Sparta. Treaties are disregarded, everywhere are rebellions spawning and the civilians are equally seen as targets as the soldiers (The incredible losses of the 30YW are results of the rampant marauding and looting of the mercenaries and the resulting famines and epidemics. Similarily the raiding of Sparta in Attika and Athens on the coasts of the Peloponnes, targeting the farms or the people to persuade them to defect)
Here is an Interview with him, where he talks a bit about the similarities between the 30YW and the Pelop. War (if you understand german ofc): th-cam.com/video/jlrQLJi5lDU/w-d-xo.html
More like Germans and Slavs vs Germans and Slavs