There's a couple of reasons I think e collars mess dogs up so much 1) corrections equal a pain stimulus. They learn to associate corrections with pain or at the very least a sensation that is very confusing to them 2) they don't understand where the pain/ negative stimulus comes from which can lead to them being constantly on edge and afraid. When dogs are corrected by other dogs during normal natural socialization, they understand where the correction is coming from and who gave the negative stimulus. With the e collar they don't and its a fundamental disconnect with how dogs naturally learn
Correct! I’ll offer another point which you touched on at the end. Nothing in nature is like a shock, except a lightning strike, so the dogs brain doesn’t know how to interpret it. The mother, father, siblings may be dominate, rough, bite the puppy on the neck. But a shock is “confusing” to the brain if turned up too high or used when they’re already in a certain state of mind.
I went to a dog park once and there was a woman there with her lab that she boasted about using an e-collar on. My dog is a very playful and social samoyed mix and she was rough playing with this woman’s dog and this poor girl was all kinds of messed up. Practically unable to give corrections- she would be playing along one second and running away tail between her legs the next. It really wigged me out knowing that woman is definitely the cause of her dog’s issues by using such a device. Didn’t help that she also screeched at the top of her lungs “GET HER OFF OF HER” every time my lightweight dog even remotely looked like she was playing rough, therefore escalating the situation. Poor dog 😔
I use an e-collar very sparingly with my dog.. never to distract from looking at a dog or looking at anything really. I use it specifically to reinforce "Leave it", especially when she's about to try to eat something bad, stuff like that. If she wants to sit and watch a plane go by overhead, that's fine with me.. I won't correct such things. Wants to watch a dog walk down the road, sure thing. Wants to eat out of the garbage, rip up the carpet, or bite my shoes while Im wearing them..absolutely not. She wears it when we go hunting, hiking, or yard training. I use a SportDog brand collar, in case anyone wonders. 99% of the time it's on Vibe/Tone. She doesn't respond to level 1 stim at all, level 2 gets her attention sometimes, and level 3 either works great or makes her yelp.. depends how heightened her mental state is. I try to only use 3 when she's highly focused, as when she's just calm is when it's too much stim for her. Vibe/Tone/2 is a good daily setting for us. I definitely recommend starting with Vibe, and the lowest possible Stim level. Don't jack it all the way up to test.. I've never hit my dog with a level 7, I tried it on myself first at all levels, 7 gets MY attention. If you have a grizzly bear, 7 might work. I have a Pitbull/GSD/Cattle Dog
I have so much admiration for this young owner, wanting to learn and understand his dog’s reactivity to ensure Bubbles has a great life. I hope we get to see more of him and Bubbles going forward as there is such good progress already.
Dude he learned so quick too he just picked up on everything he needed to do so fast. And he takes his dogs for walks and parks and runs every day, this kid is a model dog owner
That guy is a great dog owner. He made intelligent observations and was caring enough to try to figure out what was going on with his dog. He read Bubbles’ cues and body language really well. It was also great seeing the lightbulb moment when Joel figured out the key to overcoming Bubbles’ reactivity was to get the owner patting the new dog. Really looking forward to the next vid with these two.
@@Ethanmcmahonn how is Bubbles doing? Do you notice he is triggered more by black dogs due to those routy black labs off leash in your neighborhood? When he went at the one dog after looking so great, that was the first thing thst came to mind for me, given that I've seen it before in my clients' dogs! Maybe have Joel help change his perspective on black dogs/Black Labs and flood him with new more positive experiences with them, correct any inappropriate reaction, and hopefully make some new friends out of it. Maybe he will be able to at least ignore the ones you usually see on your walk. Pet them all-can you pet those ones off leash in your neighbourhood? 🤷♀️ It would be amazing to fix that too! Can't wait to see another video of the progress!
Can't agree more. That guy is really interested in his dog and his well being. I think with a little help this dog is going to be a very good, socialized dog.
@@joyfulk9services Bubbles actually seems to be doing better already! In the past few days we have had 2 off leash dogs run up to him and he did not show any aggression what so ever. I pet every dog that runs up to us and it seems to help. We haven't seen the black labs in a while, I'm going to see Joel again in 2 days and I'm hoping that bubbles can spend more time with Kiki ( the dog he didn't like ) so that he has more positive experiences with those types of dogs. After this training session Ive learned to stay much more calm when an off leash dog runs up to us which I think has helped a lot as well. Since bubbles has a dog aggression history, I often get pretty tense when dogs start running up on us and after watching this video I can see that when I'm tense he picks up on that. So now when dogs run up to us I just stay calm and remind myself being anxious about the situation isn't gonna help.
@@Ethanmcmahonn can't wait to see the session!! I'll be waiting! Rooting for you guys! Would love to see him and Kiki become best buds 🥰 good luck! Stay calm and assertive, you got this. Just like Bubbles, you need some positive experiences to counter condition those previous ones! So makes sense you feel tense, just keep that leash loose so Bubbles doesn't know 😉
When I replayed the incident…. Here is what I noticed. Bubbles was playing and already in a heightened excitement mode, kiki came out and added more energy. Joel says “look at the hair standing up”. Then when Bubbles was approached by Kiki and Griffin at the same time it was like over stimulation and then Bubbles reaction. Like the brain got scrambled and outburst. Makes sense like the ecoller!! Great video.
@@jameslynch4042 I can see where, and it does make sense to me. I've seen similar, but it generally happens slower. Have seen similar with people as well lol
I'd add to this that it seemed to increase from a stand-off to a lunge once the owner stepped forward. Could bubbles have seen that as evidence that something was wrong and justified the reason to act?
I think the extra “stress” in that moment from the owner was felt by Bubbles and he snapped into his old behaviour. Just a bit of inexperience but well meant responsability in his action. Those two will do great with a bit of extra practice and experience, no doubt.
That “if my dad loves the dog, I’ll love the dog” thing sure works, watch 17:44 when the owner lifts his leg to keep Kiki away, which might give the impression he doesn’t like him, so just after that Bubbles growls... Also great idea to come up with a new cue, thinking Bubbles might associate the old one with not exactly the wanted behavior. Loved the video (as usual) 😎
Yeah I've never seen such a clear cut fix. Bubbles really trusts his owner. He just doesn't trust them I think. But when his owner pets the animal, that assures bubbles that this animal isn't a threat and should be treated as a friend. So cool to see
I had the same thought when I saw the owner’s normal reaction to make the dog going away but Bubbles might had seen it like ‘he is a treat and I’m going to react.’ Love those videos, I’m learning a lot.
exactly what I thought. looked like an agression from the owner. Like the owner wnated distance between them and the dog and made bubbles more agressive/energetic. I think the owner just needs to make bubbles think of something else rather than trying to block sweet dogs away & adding energy to the fire. I like what he tried to do in the first place. Walking in an other direction as a calming distraction. Much was the energy of how the owner came before it happened like he put in energy into it and the dog snapped. Like the owner got worried by beckman's comment of the dog's raised hair.
This was a very unique case study. I could see Bubbles was teetering on the edge. The body language had me confused. Great progress and the owner really knows his dog. Just a bit more work and Bubbles will be fine.
Props to the owner, excellent timing & and a fine read on his dog's body language. Sure the eCollar did no good to his dog, but you also have to admit that he stopped it after a week when he saw in his dog that the eCollar does not do him any good. Now he is taking the effort to do what he can to fix the problems caused. Very responsible young man.
This is one of my favourite problem solving sessions you've done so far! Love it. What an emotional rollercoaster 🙈 I use all your methods with my clients in Ontario, Canada 😉 spreading the necessary information to all dog owners. Keep it up ☺️ One thing I noticed after what the owner said about the two black dogs off leash in his neighborhood... Black dogs could be a trigger for him.....I have met a few dogs with triggers by a particular "look". Might be worth noting. Only because he has rehearsed the behaviour before in response to those black dogs... Obviously ecollar could be a factor, but maybe keep an eye on those black dogs/labs.
I'm sure you're already brainstorming for next session with Bubbles, but I think getting several neutral black dogs out using this formula and start creating new more positive experiences with them may be a good start 🙈 desensitize as well as change whatever current perspective Bubbles has on that colour/breed of dog....obviously not "the" fix, but would love to see what happens with several one after the other, as well as several all at once 🤷♀️ Be sure to keep sharing the progress on this owner and dog! I live for dog behaviour and this one is an awesome puzzle.
This is so true about some dogs being triggers, my last dog was a white German Shepherd and 3 dogs all used to go berserk when they saw him and I mean they never met or even sniffed each other, one was a Schnauzer the other a Cairn terrier type and the last was a chocolate lab who would literally run from one side of the park to the other barking hysterically at mine, I was frightened to death the first time but when I realised she was more bark than bite I relaxed. My dog never even reacted he was a star. Kind regards, Joanne 🐺
As an owner and breeder of herding dogs... They are very incredibly attuned to nuances because they have to be able to read stock and respond appropriately. When his hair went up a bit and the owner's attention was brought to it, the owner changed his body language / demeanor, which his dog then took a cue from and reacted further. Then when he kicked at the other dog to try to keep it back, it told his dog he didn't want that dog near him, and his dog moved to prevent that. I can be walking in the pasture with my dogs when I've told them to "just observe". (That means we're not working right now.) And they are perfectly calm and happy. But the second I focus in on something and change my demeanor to indicate discomfort, or make a motion with my hand or give a verbal que or even stare more intently at some or one of the livestock, they move on it. They are very attuned dogs, and much of it is inherent to the herding breeds, not taught. Very trainable in regards to what you will allow and what you won't allow. But it is something to be aware of when working with herding breeds.
My one girl I call my Zen dog; she's incredibly calm & stable. Yet this same dog, who is so easy going in so many different situations, will take a hit from a cow and get right back in there and give no quarter until it backs off in order to save me. They have grit, and they have a mind of their own in addition to a huge desire to please & protect.
This is SO helpful to me. Thank you. I've been working with a rescue Border Collie for a few years now. She is noise phobic and I live in the city, but also reactive towards dogs. The noise phobia translates into fear of outside and her trying to bite me when I try to leash her--huge problem. We have a fenced yard but she goes and hides when she hears a plane, loud car, construction and so it is sometimes hard to get her to go the bathroom. If I can manage to get her leashed and walked, I know she will go. She loves frisbee so we play that until a noise scares her. I haven't been able to let her run around with other dogs as she will go after them--that's why your comment here helped so much as I can replay the video and see what you mean by the protection.
@@lavahoard1559 I'm glad you've found it useful. 🙂 Dogs can react from protectiveness or from fear or from a combo of the 2. Yours sounds to be leaning strongly towards the fear aspect of it, but there may be some protective instinct behind there, too. I would practice gentle yet consistent NILIF with her and also use sound desensitization for dogs - look up on YT - to help her acclimate to the world around her. Start super quietly and only when she's eating. If she stops eating for longer than a split second, it's too loud. Gradually increase volume as tolerated.
@@pothszabina I was in the mindset that since it was hitting only when he was charging at other dogs. But I think it was more along the lines of he saw a dog felt the shock when trying to go meet them and associated the negative feeling with meeting other dogs
@@daquanleshawnda149 ah, I see. It is hard to be calm when something happens and people usually avoid situations when things happen. Hard situation in a normal environment.
Bubbles was nervous, but he reacted the first time only when the owner kneed Griffin to separate him. When he was taking him away and Kiki got close, he reacted only when the owner put his leg against Kiki. That made him react.
One of my dogs had no socialisation - she was rescued from a coal shed during unrelated police action on property where she spent entire start of her life, just to be bullied and overwhelmed at shelter and then irresponsibly adopted to a family with young kids where they admitted to hitting her. It was a difficult road, truly, but one of the most rewarding. We have built enough trust that she relaxes immediately when I greet the dog, even if that dog is another female, much bigger, or there's several dogs - which used to really scare her. I know she'll always fear kids and loud men, but we're making progress and both she and everyone she meets is safe. I think it's the same here - Bubble's trusts his owners judgement more than his own - which just shows that this young man has earned it. It's not that easy to learn that level of genuine trust of an intelligent, anxious dog. Kudos, dude. It was lovely to see them meet and play, I still see so many people selfishly denying their dogs all kinds of dog-dog interaction.
I wanna point out KiKi's appearance matches that of the 2 black labs in the neighborhood that the owner mentioned. Dogs do generalize their experiences. My 7 yr old APBT holds his experiences from ages 1-3 at the dog park. He particularly loves meeting Poodles/Doodles, female Labs (esp yellow labs), Goldens, and Huskies. I can tie these breeds back to several friends he made. He DOESN'T like any bulldogs (English, French, etc) or pugs, and is very hit/miss with other bully breeds. I can tie this to several instances they weren't neutered, were rude/rough sniffers and/or humping.
But what's crazy is that dogs actually don't generalize automatically we have to help them to generalize by doing things repeatedly in different environments. But they do develop associations.
This was an awesome video. More Bubbles in future please! Was awesome to see the difference it made to have the owner pet the dogs before they meet. Bubbles is *really* tuned in to his lovely owner. Even when Kiki was coming back up and the owner extended his leg to dissuade her from approaching, Bubbles went up a notch. This owner and dog are a highly attuned dyad.
What a great training session. I wish more owners were proactive about their dog's behavior. It's so easy for people to shrug off "random" altercations or to place the blame on someone else's dog. Hope to see a video of the next session with Bubbles. :)
I can’t tell you how much I love your videos!! I just unsubscribed from another channel who has more subscribers but his quality is so different!! Way too many cuts and edits leaving important stuff out and frankly making me wonder what in the world he’s doing. I bless you with the right amount of growth in the right amount of time!! You are such a gift to dog owners. ♥️
Great video. I love prince so much. That guy is in so much control. Second only to his boss. As soon as bubbles sounded aggressive prince was there to make sure it was gonna stop
Welcome to Beckman's Bubbles! Glad he loves Prince! I agree with Marsha about Bubbles being overstimulated right before he reacted. Another awesome video!! Thank you!!!
No "buddy" Q with Kiki, maybe that's where that reaction stemmed from? 🤔 This kid is great, I love how much personal effort he's doing to better understand his pup and he shows he wants to learn how to do all of this for himself, it's awesome 😊💕💕💕
The best news for him is that how he reacts to a dog and how he shows his dog that it’s okay is effective. That’s so huge for him to learn the key to their success
My dog is very similar to this (but worse)... I’m absolutely convinced there’s a genetic component to this. Here are my thoughts to whomever this may help: Right around the 16:00 mark, he kept taking quick side glances at the other dog and avoiding him in order to go back to play with Prince. It was right around this time that Joel starts to pick up on something and mentions the dog looks ‘not perfect’ at times too. The dog was already starting to get overly stimulated by the situation, and wasn’t quite sure how to deal with it (though he was still doing a great job). Then another dog is introduced, and he really starts to get excited. The moment when he bounces off Joel’s leg at 17:14 was the perfect time to snap him out of it with a “HEY!” so he breaks focus before going past his current threshold. Right after that it became a snowball effect of over-arousal, leading to him returning from running around with his hair up, and then the reaction we saw a few seconds later. You don’t want to punish him for playing, but you do need to snap him out of that state of over arousal and remind him to play more calmly/gently is all. Dogs like this struggle with controlling their reactions to stress/excitement, and are hypersensitive to adrenaline. The good news here is the cause of his reaction here was actually a positive thing! He got overly excited from meeting other dogs, so excited he temporarily lost control. If he’s anything like my dog, you’re going to have to be careful for the first 10-15 minutes in any new situation or environment, and make sure to move at a pace he’s comfortable with, and he will likely get better with age and experience as he works through his initial nervousness and has more positive experiences.
Immediately prior he was running/being chased by Kiki with his tail tucked, which was a 🚩for me, then the hair up and stiff 🚩, he was then a bit bouncy but he does look stressed with ears pinned and back teeth showing panting, then Griffin joins, possibly pushing him over the limit and he gets a bit snappy - then the owner FABULOUSLY interjects as it’s about to go off The bouncy bit is off putting when trying to read him 🤔 Obviously we don’t know what he was thinking, but that’s the behaviour I’d look out for to intervene if he was my dog. I hope this is helpful for people recognising body language.
No trying to be judgmental here, by any means, but damn you are good. I love the fact that you notice and pick up on the tiniest cues that something is about to go wrong. For example, the raised hair incident, and how you brought that cue to your client's attention. Joel, you are brilliant with animals and I am so glad to have found your channel. Only wish I was closer to you so I could get some professional help with BelBell, my white shepherd puppy who is headstrong and stubborn as a mule. I am trying to do some training with an e-collar, but I am also terrified of using it incorrectly and causing some real behavioral problems down the road. Consequently, I am very cautious about using it and maybe even not using it sometimes when I should have. Blessings to you dear friend. Thanks for all the great instruction.
I think electronic collars can lead to this sort of neck reactivity too, where any stimulus to the neck area can exacerbate reactivity. I used an e-collar to reinforce recall, which worked great, and tried using it to reduce mean-mugging on a leash and at the dog park - just using the beep setting - which did work to break that fixated, bullying posture - but I think it also made her more easily aggravated by collar pressure, because I've noticed if she's mean mugging on a leash, and I tug the leash to break the posture, it can have the complete opposite result of going from not looking to great to looking absolutely horrible. This is with a territorial semi-dominant female marker with a LOT of attitude since day one, so there's a lot going on there, but in the wrong moment in the wrong posture, that's a trigger that I've noticed. Bubble's moment of reactivity escalating when the owner grabbed the collar pinged my radar a little bit. A gentle leader might be better but that's something I have yet to explore with my dog. Anyway, just what I've observed, I'm no expert.
I have a 12-month pup with an attitude similar to your dog's. In situations where she senses a threat (threat to me and her) and I grab her collar like that -- that sparks an even stronger defense posture/reaction.
I wonder if a prong collar can exacerbate reactivity. I got the prong to save her trachea and the nerves in her neck. She (12-months old) rockets out and slams into that flat collar; but hesitates when wearing the prong. Of course, we have a harness, but when she is wearing that she rockets out and bruises her shoulders (and jerks me off my feet).
@@MB-lf8rm I think a gentle leader might be your best bet (and the harness probably the worst 😅) Even though I have yet to get around to ordering one for my dog for her social issues, I have used them with other dogs in the past, and they're efficient with reducing leash pulling. Combined with Joel's loose leash method, you could probably solve that bolting issue in a couple minutes. I haven't found prong collars to be too effective , and have seen them easy to abuse, but that's my own limited experience. Thinking about it, it's probably easy enough to make a cheap gentle leader with a piece of rope. 🤔
I think a Gentle Leader is what you should try...to break that gaze...ecollars can actually cause aggression and reactivity , if used for corrections.....at the wrong time. Its tricky..the correction has to b given by the dogs actually reacting..otherwise it can be redirected to you..Also you need to be calm and assertive...any anxiety in us goes right down that lead....Id try a Gentle Leader..breaks their gaze and stops lunging too...Correct with the sharp quick jerk to the side and slack ... like Joel demonstrates so well..IMO e collars should only b used for off leash recall...with dogs who've been properly conditioned to them and have been fully obedience trained without them first.. Im old school tho......We never needed ecollars 45 yrs ago ..
I love the teamwork with Carly saying Hey! (and earlier suggesting "buddy") and the owner's rapid responses. So wonderful to see🐾❤️🐾❤️🐾❤️ Also wondering if Prince has gotten a chance to play with his Dobie-next-door friend again?
This is so interesting! For me it was clear that the owner stepping in was the trigger. He played with Kiki and Griffin, then he got chased for a little bit (right before the incident) which to me was not something he enjoyed. It was too much for him. Especially as you can see in the clip from yesterday and this one to that HE is the one who chases all the other times. As a collie I can imagine it's his instinct kicking in. He want's to be in control, and he isn't when the dogs are chasing him, 2 against 1. So he got unsure and told Kiki to back off by head nudging her. That's when the owner stepped in and made him believe the fight was ON. Same thing when the owner "kicked" at the other dogs while dragging hime away. It was yet another reason for him to believe he had to go after them. With this I want to say I ofc understand that the owner had to step in, as there are so many loose dogs, but it would have been interesting to see what happened if he didn't.
Agree, so interesting. After reading all other theories and watching over and over, it does seem that when the owner preemptively (perfectly) tried to separate by putting his knee in, it's almost like Bubbles misinterpreted this and escalated just as he did with Kiki a minute later.
Thank you so much for your videos! If you were in front of me I would hug you so tight. Literally saved my life. I’ve got 4 rescue dogs. And my youngest is completely unsocialized and not good on his leash. And thanks to these videos I can now walk him for MILES without a single pull. And he has gotten so much better with other dogs. I am still working on him and his 3 brothers, but they have gotten so much better. Thank you so much for your help, time and for making these videos free for us so that people who don’t have the means to spend hundred of dollars on our dogs can enjoy a walk and a field day. Thank you so much, god bless.
My 2 yo vizsla was starting to react to other dogs in the park the last few months. They were just casually walking to us, or approaching her, and she would snap at them suddenly. I've tried distraction, and praising when she has a good interaction, it helped a tiny bit. But lately I also noticed that she'll tolerate other dogs more when I pet those dogs. I'm going to do more of that and start saying "that's our friend" and see it makes any improvement. Thanks for the video!
I would guess if the dog was doing e-collar training for “only” a week, it was done unfairly and incorrectly. It would take much longer than that to condition the dog on low levels, with a very good quality collar, so that the dog understood what was expected. The training would have been fair then. I’m just surmising too though, as I have seen an e-collar do great things at dog training I go to when used correctly. I think Joel’s method without all the gadgets and tools work too. The owner is very tuned in with his dog, can read him very well.
I was looking through the comments for this . Exactly. If it was for one week, there is no way the ecollar training was done correctly. I suppose any training method, applied incorrectly, could make the situation worse. I don't think any real training of a dog can be done in a week, especially for behavior related issues.
This is 💯 protective behavior. As soon as the owner was close to griffin he got activated. This is all related to the wild labs on his street. And yes, the e collar caused some trauma for Bubbles. He associates dogs+his owner=pain. So of course he will be activated.
Ahh, good catch about the labs on the street! It didn't make sense that Griffin could be the cause because he's such a puffball, but maybe that's it, combined with the rapid over stimulation by both dogs in succession too.
I just started watching your videos, i love them, and im hooked, but i just wanna add a suggestion, can you please give the owners a mic.. its hard to hear them
"What brought that on"...the slip on the concrete lead a panic moment for Bubbles as the other dog closed the gap. Then as the owner walked, in Bubbles felt the owner was equally vulnerable. *fourth eye perspective
I think the slip was possible coupled with the owner's description of the two off leash labs that rush him. Maybe Bubbles doesn't trust fast moving off leash dark labs. He had same reaction to first meet with Kiki. Hard to tell but my initial guess is dark labs. Who knows?
This was a good experience/exercise for the dog like me myself I want to become a professional dog trainer me myself I’ve also had some experiences with dogs in the past and I have six dogs which is I call my pack and there are some rough about here and there and I just fix it sometimes but I want to work with there behavior so yea this fascinates me so much just watching your videos just fascinates me because it gives me more ideas and more facts and experiences to realize that some of the things that my dogs do should not belong!
I have seen exactly this behavior many times in one of my old dogs- a Border Collie as well. Same triggers and sadly similar cause. Not ecollar but a unsuited training method with dominance based overcorrections. And my Sammie played very similar as well as soon as he felt safe with the other dogs. Insecurity paired with some dominance and fear while associating dogs with negative experiences. And very sensitive to any cues by us. If we got nervous it would transfer immediately. Have never seen any other dog react this way until I saw Bubbles here.
My take: neighborhood dogs run up to him to harass him unprovoked plus e-collar training makes him sensitive to “bad things happening” at any point (seemingly randomly) during dog interactions. He’s also hyper sensitive to his owner stepping in. The owner stepping in pretty much created the explosion with griffin who he was doing just fine with before the owner stepping in. Owner needed to correct with Kiki but that translated into tension with Griffin which is when he lashed out the first time. He also reacts again only when the owner starts defending their space from Kiki. Negative punishment has made Bubbles extremely sensitive and afraid of negative circumstances and will lash out the moment he senses tension even from his owner about other dogs. That’s why when his owner pets and approves another dog he relaxes too.
I saw Bubbles trying to move away from Griffin who was constantly sniffing at him. The owner had said that Bubbles doesn't like dogs sniffing his butt and that had triggered an attack in a pet store. Griffin kept following and sniffing at him before Kiki was there too and it was too much pressure for Bubbles. I could see Bubbles trying to create space for himself but couldn't so ended up pushing at Griffin.
My comment will probably get lost, but I feel like I know what happened at the end. I mean the strategy seems to be legit, each time the owner goes to pet the other dog, Bubbles relaxes and has no problem with the dog, we can see that especially with the shepherd where he is really tense and the moment the owner pets him Bubbles starts wagging tail and relaxes. And he was great running around with all those dogs. But just before Bubbles got mad, the owner stepped in, all tense and Bubbles also probably thought he is yelling at the other dogs and felt the need to protect. That’s my thought. Good luck with Bubbles!
There's a couple of reasons I think e collars mess dogs up so much 1) corrections equal a pain stimulus. They learn to associate corrections with pain or at the very least a sensation that is very confusing to them 2) they don't understand where the pain/ negative stimulus comes from which can lead to them being constantly on edge and afraid. When dogs are corrected by other dogs during normal natural socialization, they understand where the correction is coming from and who gave the negative stimulus. With the e collar they don't and its a fundamental disconnect with how dogs naturally learn
Correct! I’ll offer another point which you touched on at the end. Nothing in nature is like a shock, except a lightning strike, so the dogs brain doesn’t know how to interpret it. The mother, father, siblings may be dominate, rough, bite the puppy on the neck. But a shock is “confusing” to the brain if turned up too high or used when they’re already in a certain state of mind.
I went to a dog park once and there was a woman there with her lab that she boasted about using an e-collar on. My dog is a very playful and social samoyed mix and she was rough playing with this woman’s dog and this poor girl was all kinds of messed up. Practically unable to give corrections- she would be playing along one second and running away tail between her legs the next. It really wigged me out knowing that woman is definitely the cause of her dog’s issues by using such a device. Didn’t help that she also screeched at the top of her lungs “GET HER OFF OF HER” every time my lightweight dog even remotely looked like she was playing rough, therefore escalating the situation. Poor dog 😔
I use an e-collar very sparingly with my dog.. never to distract from looking at a dog or looking at anything really. I use it specifically to reinforce "Leave it", especially when she's about to try to eat something bad, stuff like that. If she wants to sit and watch a plane go by overhead, that's fine with me.. I won't correct such things. Wants to watch a dog walk down the road, sure thing. Wants to eat out of the garbage, rip up the carpet, or bite my shoes while Im wearing them..absolutely not. She wears it when we go hunting, hiking, or yard training. I use a SportDog brand collar, in case anyone wonders. 99% of the time it's on Vibe/Tone. She doesn't respond to level 1 stim at all, level 2 gets her attention sometimes, and level 3 either works great or makes her yelp.. depends how heightened her mental state is. I try to only use 3 when she's highly focused, as when she's just calm is when it's too much stim for her. Vibe/Tone/2 is a good daily setting for us. I definitely recommend starting with Vibe, and the lowest possible Stim level. Don't jack it all the way up to test.. I've never hit my dog with a level 7, I tried it on myself first at all levels, 7 gets MY attention. If you have a grizzly bear, 7 might work. I have a Pitbull/GSD/Cattle Dog
@@BDTrainingif a dog has been conditioned positively to an e collar by the time you add corrections they absolutely do know where it’s coming from
I agree. I’ve tried to be clearer in my newer videos and podcast that my only issue with ecollars is when they’re used improperly.
I have so much admiration for this young owner, wanting to learn and understand his dog’s reactivity to ensure Bubbles has a great life. I hope we get to see more of him and Bubbles going forward as there is such good progress already.
Thank you!!
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Dude he learned so quick too he just picked up on everything he needed to do so fast. And he takes his dogs for walks and parks and runs every day, this kid is a model dog owner
So much admiration for this young owner- really awesome to see.
@@ethanm2376 any updates on bubbles progress?
My dog has a very similar behavior
That guy is a great dog owner. He made intelligent observations and was caring enough to try to figure out what was going on with his dog. He read Bubbles’ cues and body language really well. It was also great seeing the lightbulb moment when Joel figured out the key to overcoming Bubbles’ reactivity was to get the owner patting the new dog. Really looking forward to the next vid with these two.
thanks!!!
@@Ethanmcmahonn how is Bubbles doing? Do you notice he is triggered more by black dogs due to those routy black labs off leash in your neighborhood? When he went at the one dog after looking so great, that was the first thing thst came to mind for me, given that I've seen it before in my clients' dogs! Maybe have Joel help change his perspective on black dogs/Black Labs and flood him with new more positive experiences with them, correct any inappropriate reaction, and hopefully make some new friends out of it. Maybe he will be able to at least ignore the ones you usually see on your walk. Pet them all-can you pet those ones off leash in your neighbourhood? 🤷♀️ It would be amazing to fix that too!
Can't wait to see another video of the progress!
Can't agree more. That guy is really interested in his dog and his well being. I think with a little help this dog is going to be a very good, socialized dog.
@@joyfulk9services Bubbles actually seems to be doing better already! In the past few days we have had 2 off leash dogs run up to him and he did not show any aggression what so ever. I pet every dog that runs up to us and it seems to help. We haven't seen the black labs in a while, I'm going to see Joel again in 2 days and I'm hoping that bubbles can spend more time with Kiki ( the dog he didn't like ) so that he has more positive experiences with those types of dogs. After this training session Ive learned to stay much more calm when an off leash dog runs up to us which I think has helped a lot as well. Since bubbles has a dog aggression history, I often get pretty tense when dogs start running up on us and after watching this video I can see that when I'm tense he picks up on that. So now when dogs run up to us I just stay calm and remind myself being anxious about the situation isn't gonna help.
@@Ethanmcmahonn can't wait to see the session!! I'll be waiting! Rooting for you guys! Would love to see him and Kiki become best buds 🥰 good luck! Stay calm and assertive, you got this. Just like Bubbles, you need some positive experiences to counter condition those previous ones! So makes sense you feel tense, just keep that leash loose so Bubbles doesn't know 😉
The white dog just looks so chill and happy all the time no matter what's going on!
When I replayed the incident…. Here is what I noticed. Bubbles was playing and already in a heightened excitement mode, kiki came out and added more energy. Joel says “look at the hair standing up”. Then when Bubbles was approached by Kiki and Griffin at the same time it was like over stimulation and then Bubbles reaction. Like the brain got scrambled and outburst. Makes sense like the ecoller!! Great video.
I agree, it was like a fun,fun,fun, too much! Flip the switch.
@@jameslynch4042 I have a little brother who’s friends are over all the time- he’s actually amazing with kids !!
@@jameslynch4042 I can see where, and it does make sense to me. I've seen similar, but it generally happens slower. Have seen similar with people as well lol
I'd add to this that it seemed to increase from a stand-off to a lunge once the owner stepped forward. Could bubbles have seen that as evidence that something was wrong and justified the reason to act?
I think the extra “stress” in that moment from the owner was felt by Bubbles and he snapped into his old behaviour. Just a bit of inexperience but well meant responsability in his action. Those two will do great with a bit of extra practice and experience, no doubt.
Props to the owner for knowing when to step in before it happened
Griffin looks very huggable
That “if my dad loves the dog, I’ll love the dog” thing sure works, watch 17:44 when the owner lifts his leg to keep Kiki away, which might give the impression he doesn’t like him, so just after that Bubbles growls...
Also great idea to come up with a new cue, thinking Bubbles might associate the old one with not exactly the wanted behavior. Loved the video (as usual) 😎
Wow, good catch; really seems accurate.
@Gail Everett l saw it to good catch guys &on the second Occasion it happens as well
Yeah I've never seen such a clear cut fix. Bubbles really trusts his owner. He just doesn't trust them I think. But when his owner pets the animal, that assures bubbles that this animal isn't a threat and should be treated as a friend. So cool to see
I had the same thought when I saw the owner’s normal reaction to make the dog going away but Bubbles might had seen it like ‘he is a treat and I’m going to react.’ Love those videos, I’m learning a lot.
exactly what I thought. looked like an agression from the owner. Like the owner wnated distance between them and the dog and made bubbles more agressive/energetic.
I think the owner just needs to make bubbles think of something else rather than trying to block sweet dogs away & adding energy to the fire. I like what he tried to do in the first place. Walking in an other direction as a calming distraction.
Much was the energy of how the owner came before it happened like he put in energy into it and the dog snapped. Like the owner got worried by beckman's comment of the dog's raised hair.
Really nice handling by the client. You should hire him!
Thank you so much!
I agree I'm just watching this 5 months later but this guy is naturally atuned to this type of environment and so good with the dogs
One thing I see...he needs to not let the dog displace him...gentle knee bend maybe bump depending on the situation...otherwise pretty good
It's so heartwarming seeing the play bows in this section! Well done!
I love griffin so much 🤍 he’s so adorable I can’t help it🤣❤️
When Joel said 'Griffin can u please come here' and he's like 'oh, yes sure' :D so cute
"This is the way"
He must be a Mandalorian.
This was a very unique case study. I could see Bubbles was teetering on the edge. The body language had me confused.
Great progress and the owner really knows his dog.
Just a bit more work and Bubbles will be fine.
Heartwarming to see the playful and happy behavior of this dog, it must be such a relief also for him to be able to be "a good boy" now.
Props to the owner, excellent timing & and a fine read on his dog's body language. Sure the eCollar did no good to his dog, but you also have to admit that he stopped it after a week when he saw in his dog that the eCollar does not do him any good. Now he is taking the effort to do what he can to fix the problems caused. Very responsible young man.
This young man is really awesome. He is good with animals. He really cares about helping his dog get better.
If all dog owners could be as awesome as this young guy this world would be a better place.
This dog is totally picking up on the owners fears and emotions.
Joel, that was a very clever approach to solve that issue. Well done 👍🐶♥️
Griffin is the happiest prancer
SO good to see the socialization pattern turned around for Bubbles - he's learning to trust that other dogs generally means _fun!_
Good job to all participants !! Yall did good with helping this baby thru his issues!!
Griffins Happy dance is adorable!
The owner was such a good boy, he listened so well to your instructions.
This is one of my favourite problem solving sessions you've done so far! Love it. What an emotional rollercoaster 🙈 I use all your methods with my clients in Ontario, Canada 😉 spreading the necessary information to all dog owners. Keep it up ☺️
One thing I noticed after what the owner said about the two black dogs off leash in his neighborhood... Black dogs could be a trigger for him.....I have met a few dogs with triggers by a particular "look". Might be worth noting. Only because he has rehearsed the behaviour before in response to those black dogs... Obviously ecollar could be a factor, but maybe keep an eye on those black dogs/labs.
I'm sure you're already brainstorming for next session with Bubbles, but I think getting several neutral black dogs out using this formula and start creating new more positive experiences with them may be a good start 🙈 desensitize as well as change whatever current perspective Bubbles has on that colour/breed of dog....obviously not "the" fix, but would love to see what happens with several one after the other, as well as several all at once 🤷♀️
Be sure to keep sharing the progress on this owner and dog! I live for dog behaviour and this one is an awesome puzzle.
This is so true about some dogs being triggers, my last dog was a white German Shepherd and 3 dogs all used to go berserk when they saw him and I mean they never met or even sniffed each other, one was a Schnauzer the other a Cairn terrier type and the last was a chocolate lab who would literally run from one side of the park to the other barking hysterically at mine, I was frightened to death the first time but when I realised she was more bark than bite I relaxed. My dog never even reacted he was a star. Kind regards, Joanne 🐺
As an owner and breeder of herding dogs... They are very incredibly attuned to nuances because they have to be able to read stock and respond appropriately.
When his hair went up a bit and the owner's attention was brought to it, the owner changed his body language / demeanor, which his dog then took a cue from and reacted further. Then when he kicked at the other dog to try to keep it back, it told his dog he didn't want that dog near him, and his dog moved to prevent that.
I can be walking in the pasture with my dogs when I've told them to "just observe". (That means we're not working right now.) And they are perfectly calm and happy.
But the second I focus in on something and change my demeanor to indicate discomfort, or make a motion with my hand or give a verbal que or even stare more intently at some or one of the livestock, they move on it.
They are very attuned dogs, and much of it is inherent to the herding breeds, not taught.
Very trainable in regards to what you will allow and what you won't allow. But it is something to be aware of when working with herding breeds.
My one girl I call my Zen dog; she's incredibly calm & stable. Yet this same dog, who is so easy going in so many different situations, will take a hit from a cow and get right back in there and give no quarter until it backs off in order to save me. They have grit, and they have a mind of their own in addition to a huge desire to please & protect.
This is SO helpful to me. Thank you. I've been working with a rescue Border Collie for a few years now. She is noise phobic and I live in the city, but also reactive towards dogs. The noise phobia translates into fear of outside and her trying to bite me when I try to leash her--huge problem. We have a fenced yard but she goes and hides when she hears a plane, loud car, construction and so it is sometimes hard to get her to go the bathroom. If I can manage to get her leashed and walked, I know she will go. She loves frisbee so we play that until a noise scares her. I haven't been able to let her run around with other dogs as she will go after them--that's why your comment here helped so much as I can replay the video and see what you mean by the protection.
@@lavahoard1559 I'm glad you've found it useful. 🙂
Dogs can react from protectiveness or from fear or from a combo of the 2.
Yours sounds to be leaning strongly towards the fear aspect of it, but there may be some protective instinct behind there, too.
I would practice gentle yet consistent NILIF with her and also use sound desensitization for dogs - look up on YT - to help her acclimate to the world around her. Start super quietly and only when she's eating. If she stops eating for longer than a split second, it's too loud. Gradually increase volume as tolerated.
I love your videos so much. This was better than Netflix. So informative!
All dogs love the big boy Griffin!
The e collar thing is something I’m actually realizing I’ve been doing to my dog without realizing it. Ashamed a bit I didn’t realize sooner
what do you mean you did it without realizing? You pushed the button without knowing or?
@@pothszabina I was in the mindset that since it was hitting only when he was charging at other dogs. But I think it was more along the lines of he saw a dog felt the shock when trying to go meet them and associated the negative feeling with meeting other dogs
@@daquanleshawnda149 ah, I see.
It is hard to be calm when something happens and people usually avoid situations when things happen. Hard situation in a normal environment.
What matters is that you're willing to own it. Can't be changed until you do that so, now you're on your way to doing better.
Excellent part 2. Love his play bows! Looking forward to his next visit. Thanks Ethan and Bubbles!
Bubbles was nervous, but he reacted the first time only when the owner kneed Griffin to separate him. When he was taking him away and Kiki got close, he reacted only when the owner put his leg against Kiki. That made him react.
Agreed
One of my dogs had no socialisation - she was rescued from a coal shed during unrelated police action on property where she spent entire start of her life, just to be bullied and overwhelmed at shelter and then irresponsibly adopted to a family with young kids where they admitted to hitting her. It was a difficult road, truly, but one of the most rewarding. We have built enough trust that she relaxes immediately when I greet the dog, even if that dog is another female, much bigger, or there's several dogs - which used to really scare her. I know she'll always fear kids and loud men, but we're making progress and both she and everyone she meets is safe.
I think it's the same here - Bubble's trusts his owners judgement more than his own - which just shows that this young man has earned it. It's not that easy to learn that level of genuine trust of an intelligent, anxious dog. Kudos, dude.
It was lovely to see them meet and play, I still see so many people selfishly denying their dogs all kinds of dog-dog interaction.
Was hoping to see part 3&4! Were they videoed? Very interesting learning, great owner and teacher!
I wanna point out KiKi's appearance matches that of the 2 black labs in the neighborhood that the owner mentioned. Dogs do generalize their experiences. My 7 yr old APBT holds his experiences from ages 1-3 at the dog park. He particularly loves meeting Poodles/Doodles, female Labs (esp yellow labs), Goldens, and Huskies. I can tie these breeds back to several friends he made. He DOESN'T like any bulldogs (English, French, etc) or pugs, and is very hit/miss with other bully breeds. I can tie this to several instances they weren't neutered, were rude/rough sniffers and/or humping.
But what's crazy is that dogs actually don't generalize automatically we have to help them to generalize by doing things repeatedly in different environments. But they do develop associations.
Lol…Griffin is really funny. So chillllll
This was an awesome video. More Bubbles in future please! Was awesome to see the difference it made to have the owner pet the dogs before they meet. Bubbles is *really* tuned in to his lovely owner. Even when Kiki was coming back up and the owner extended his leg to dissuade her from approaching, Bubbles went up a notch. This owner and dog are a highly attuned dyad.
What a great training session. I wish more owners were proactive about their dog's behavior. It's so easy for people to shrug off "random" altercations or to place the blame on someone else's dog. Hope to see a video of the next session with Bubbles. :)
Bravo to Joel and Bubbles and the owner! What a massive improvement! I look forward to seeing bubbles with all his friends ♥️
He puts his scent on the other dog so his dog’s loyalty to him keeps it from attacking something it is associating with its owner
I can’t tell you how much I love your videos!! I just unsubscribed from another channel who has more subscribers but his quality is so different!! Way too many cuts and edits leaving important stuff out and frankly making me wonder what in the world he’s doing. I bless you with the right amount of growth in the right amount of time!! You are such a gift to dog owners. ♥️
Bro is swagged out
Came with the drip
NICE JOB!!! Opening scene was epic!
Great video. I love prince so much. That guy is in so much control. Second only to his boss. As soon as bubbles sounded aggressive prince was there to make sure it was gonna stop
Welcome to Beckman's Bubbles! Glad he loves Prince! I agree with Marsha about Bubbles being overstimulated right before he reacted. Another awesome video!! Thank you!!!
No "buddy" Q with Kiki, maybe that's where that reaction stemmed from? 🤔
This kid is great, I love how much personal effort he's doing to better understand his pup and he shows he wants to learn how to do all of this for himself, it's awesome 😊💕💕💕
The best news for him is that how he reacts to a dog and how he shows his dog that it’s okay is effective. That’s so huge for him to learn the key to their success
he just really needs the reinfotrcement that its okay. this guy obviously loves his dog, too. this was incredible to watch.
Love this channel from England
My dog is very similar to this (but worse)... I’m absolutely convinced there’s a genetic component to this.
Here are my thoughts to whomever this may help:
Right around the 16:00 mark, he kept taking quick side glances at the other dog and avoiding him in order to go back to play with Prince. It was right around this time that Joel starts to pick up on something and mentions the dog looks ‘not perfect’ at times too. The dog was already starting to get overly stimulated by the situation, and wasn’t quite sure how to deal with it (though he was still doing a great job).
Then another dog is introduced, and he really starts to get excited. The moment when he bounces off Joel’s leg at 17:14 was the perfect time to snap him out of it with a “HEY!” so he breaks focus before going past his current threshold. Right after that it became a snowball effect of over-arousal, leading to him returning from running around with his hair up, and then the reaction we saw a few seconds later. You don’t want to punish him for playing, but you do need to snap him out of that state of over arousal and remind him to play more calmly/gently is all. Dogs like this struggle with controlling their reactions to stress/excitement, and are hypersensitive to adrenaline.
The good news here is the cause of his reaction here was actually a positive thing! He got overly excited from meeting other dogs, so excited he temporarily lost control. If he’s anything like my dog, you’re going to have to be careful for the first 10-15 minutes in any new situation or environment, and make sure to move at a pace he’s comfortable with, and he will likely get better with age and experience as he works through his initial nervousness and has more positive experiences.
This is genuinely fantastic to see, watched episode one too. Awesome work
This is amazing. Great training and thoughts.
This guy was great with his dog. I hope everything worked out for him and Bubbles.
Immediately prior he was running/being chased by Kiki with his tail tucked, which was a 🚩for me, then the hair up and stiff 🚩, he was then a bit bouncy but he does look stressed with ears pinned and back teeth showing panting, then Griffin joins, possibly pushing him over the limit and he gets a bit snappy - then the owner FABULOUSLY interjects as it’s about to go off
The bouncy bit is off putting when trying to read him 🤔
Obviously we don’t know what he was thinking, but that’s the behaviour I’d look out for to intervene if he was my dog.
I hope this is helpful for people recognising body language.
Real-time behavioural science in action! Too cool. Fantastic obs and corrections by the owner- well done, man!
I love how griffin is sausage shaped
No trying to be judgmental here, by any means, but damn you are good. I love the fact that you notice and pick up on the tiniest cues that something is about to go wrong. For example, the raised hair incident, and how you brought that cue to your client's attention. Joel, you are brilliant with animals and I am so glad to have found your channel. Only wish I was closer to you so I could get some professional help with BelBell, my white shepherd puppy who is headstrong and stubborn as a mule. I am trying to do some training with an e-collar, but I am also terrified of using it incorrectly and causing some real behavioral problems down the road. Consequently, I am very cautious about using it and maybe even not using it sometimes when I should have. Blessings to you dear friend. Thanks for all the great instruction.
I think electronic collars can lead to this sort of neck reactivity too, where any stimulus to the neck area can exacerbate reactivity. I used an e-collar to reinforce recall, which worked great, and tried using it to reduce mean-mugging on a leash and at the dog park - just using the beep setting - which did work to break that fixated, bullying posture - but I think it also made her more easily aggravated by collar pressure, because I've noticed if she's mean mugging on a leash, and I tug the leash to break the posture, it can have the complete opposite result of going from not looking to great to looking absolutely horrible. This is with a territorial semi-dominant female marker with a LOT of attitude since day one, so there's a lot going on there, but in the wrong moment in the wrong posture, that's a trigger that I've noticed. Bubble's moment of reactivity escalating when the owner grabbed the collar pinged my radar a little bit. A gentle leader might be better but that's something I have yet to explore with my dog.
Anyway, just what I've observed, I'm no expert.
I have a 12-month pup with an attitude similar to your dog's. In situations where she senses a threat (threat to me and her) and I grab her collar like that -- that sparks an even stronger defense posture/reaction.
I wonder if a prong collar can exacerbate reactivity. I got the prong to save her trachea and the nerves in her neck. She (12-months old) rockets out and slams into that flat collar; but hesitates when wearing the prong. Of course, we have a harness, but when she is wearing that she rockets out and bruises her shoulders (and jerks me off my feet).
@@MB-lf8rm have you watched the door method videos?
@@MB-lf8rm I think a gentle leader might be your best bet (and the harness probably the worst 😅) Even though I have yet to get around to ordering one for my dog for her social issues, I have used them with other dogs in the past, and they're efficient with reducing leash pulling. Combined with Joel's loose leash method, you could probably solve that bolting issue in a couple minutes. I haven't found prong collars to be too effective , and have seen them easy to abuse, but that's my own limited experience. Thinking about it, it's probably easy enough to make a cheap gentle leader with a piece of rope. 🤔
I think a Gentle Leader is what you should try...to break that gaze...ecollars can actually cause aggression and reactivity , if used for corrections.....at the wrong time. Its tricky..the correction has to b given by the dogs actually reacting..otherwise it can be redirected to you..Also you need to be calm and assertive...any anxiety in us goes right down that lead....Id try a Gentle Leader..breaks their gaze and stops lunging too...Correct with the sharp quick jerk to the side and slack ... like Joel demonstrates so well..IMO e collars should only b used for off leash recall...with dogs who've been properly conditioned to them and have been fully obedience trained without them first.. Im old school tho......We never needed ecollars 45 yrs ago ..
Prince only needs to speak. he is like a little person. amazing temperament.adorable.
What great sessions with Bubbles! I wonder how Bubbles is today, i bet the bestest boy in his neighborhood ❤
This is a Solid Rockstar Lesson!!
The owner grabbed him perfectly at the right time. That was amazing👏
I love the teamwork with Carly saying Hey! (and earlier suggesting "buddy") and the owner's rapid responses. So wonderful to see🐾❤️🐾❤️🐾❤️ Also wondering if Prince has gotten a chance to play with his Dobie-next-door friend again?
This is so interesting! For me it was clear that the owner stepping in was the trigger. He played with Kiki and Griffin, then he got chased for a little bit (right before the incident) which to me was not something he enjoyed. It was too much for him. Especially as you can see in the clip from yesterday and this one to that HE is the one who chases all the other times. As a collie I can imagine it's his instinct kicking in. He want's to be in control, and he isn't when the dogs are chasing him, 2 against 1. So he got unsure and told Kiki to back off by head nudging her. That's when the owner stepped in and made him believe the fight was ON. Same thing when the owner "kicked" at the other dogs while dragging hime away. It was yet another reason for him to believe he had to go after them.
With this I want to say I ofc understand that the owner had to step in, as there are so many loose dogs, but it would have been interesting to see what happened if he didn't.
Agree, so interesting. After reading all other theories and watching over and over, it does seem that when the owner preemptively (perfectly) tried to separate by putting his knee in, it's almost like Bubbles misinterpreted this and escalated just as he did with Kiki a minute later.
Great work man love seeing dogs make that much progress 👏
These 2 videos are very interesting and didactic. congratulations. keep up the good work.
Amazing video , owner doing a really good job too 💪
Thank you so much for your videos! If you were in front of me I would hug you so tight. Literally saved my life. I’ve got 4 rescue dogs. And my youngest is completely unsocialized and not good on his leash. And thanks to these videos I can now walk him for MILES without a single pull. And he has gotten so much better with other dogs. I am still working on him and his 3 brothers, but they have gotten so much better. Thank you so much for your help, time and for making these videos free for us so that people who don’t have the means to spend hundred of dollars on our dogs can enjoy a walk and a field day. Thank you so much, god bless.
It was cool watching the progress from the first vid to this one. ❤
I love Prince! What a cool dog!!
Great video. Weird, but beautiful dog. Always loved a black and white dog. Lets hope both dog and owner get to their happy place
Very cool video
Love your videos
My 2 yo vizsla was starting to react to other dogs in the park the last few months. They were just casually walking to us, or approaching her, and she would snap at them suddenly. I've tried distraction, and praising when she has a good interaction, it helped a tiny bit. But lately I also noticed that she'll tolerate other dogs more when I pet those dogs. I'm going to do more of that and start saying "that's our friend" and see it makes any improvement. Thanks for the video!
Excellent!!!
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I would guess if the dog was doing e-collar training for “only” a week, it was done unfairly and incorrectly. It would take much longer than that to condition the dog on low levels, with a very good quality collar, so that the dog understood what was expected. The training would have been fair then. I’m just surmising too though, as I have seen an e-collar do great things at dog training I go to when used correctly. I think Joel’s method without all the gadgets and tools work too. The owner is very tuned in with his dog, can read him very well.
I believe an e collar is supposed to be used AFTER they are already trained , as a correction tool . And NEVER as a punishment tool.
I was looking through the comments for this . Exactly. If it was for one week, there is no way the ecollar training was done correctly. I suppose any training method, applied incorrectly, could make the situation worse. I don't think any real training of a dog can be done in a week, especially for behavior related issues.
This is 💯 protective behavior. As soon as the owner was close to griffin he got activated. This is all related to the wild labs on his street. And yes, the e collar caused some trauma for Bubbles. He associates dogs+his owner=pain. So of course he will be activated.
Ahh, good catch about the labs on the street! It didn't make sense that Griffin could be the cause because he's such a puffball, but maybe that's it, combined with the rapid over stimulation by both dogs in succession too.
Fantastic!!!!
So he learned from Dad petting the other dog that the dog is no threat. Which means it’s okay!. 😊🎉
I just started watching your videos, i love them, and im hooked, but i just wanna add a suggestion, can you please give the owners a mic.. its hard to hear them
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"What brought that on"...the slip on the concrete lead a panic moment for Bubbles as the other dog closed the gap. Then as the owner walked, in Bubbles felt the owner was equally vulnerable.
*fourth eye perspective
I think the slip was possible coupled with the owner's description of the two off leash labs that rush him. Maybe Bubbles doesn't trust fast moving off leash dark labs. He had same reaction to first meet with Kiki. Hard to tell but my initial guess is dark labs. Who knows?
@@catherineabramson5460 you're right, in that is the basal condition, but in this video the dogs were okay until the slip event
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Dogs definitely profile--dark labs should be explored as a stressor, for sure.
When was the slip?
@@sundoesshine8800 right about 4-secs before the attitude change
joel you are so on point with e collar, super sad. but great re introduction to the real world
GREAT VIDEO!!
9:08 i have never seen that maneuver before, man i gotta start doing that,
God, bless your channel and your work beck 👍
Awww he loves prince
This was so interesting!
Looks like he became overwhelmed by the two dogs and became defensive
This was a good experience/exercise for the dog like me myself I want to become a professional dog trainer me myself I’ve also had some experiences with dogs in the past and I have six dogs which is I call my pack and there are some rough about here and there and I just fix it sometimes but I want to work with there behavior so yea this fascinates me so much just watching your videos just fascinates me because it gives me more ideas and more facts and experiences to realize that some of the things that my dogs do should not belong!
I like this. I may try this on Bailey for his crazy reactivity.
I'm about to drive me and my dog to CA just so you can help us out. I feel like mine has the same issues Bubbles has. Except it's 10x worse.
Very cool!
Looks to me like he started to display dominating behavior when his fur was ruffled and didn’t like the eye contact from griff
I just screamed of joy watching bubbles watching his progress I hope to see him back for an update
I have seen exactly this behavior many times in one of my old dogs- a Border Collie as well. Same triggers and sadly similar cause. Not ecollar but a unsuited training method with dominance based overcorrections. And my Sammie played very similar as well as soon as he felt safe with the other dogs. Insecurity paired with some dominance and fear while associating dogs with negative experiences. And very sensitive to any cues by us. If we got nervous it would transfer immediately. Have never seen any other dog react this way until I saw Bubbles here.
My take: neighborhood dogs run up to him to harass him unprovoked plus e-collar training makes him sensitive to “bad things happening” at any point (seemingly randomly) during dog interactions. He’s also hyper sensitive to his owner stepping in. The owner stepping in pretty much created the explosion with griffin who he was doing just fine with before the owner stepping in. Owner needed to correct with Kiki but that translated into tension with Griffin which is when he lashed out the first time. He also reacts again only when the owner starts defending their space from Kiki. Negative punishment has made Bubbles extremely sensitive and afraid of negative circumstances and will lash out the moment he senses tension even from his owner about other dogs. That’s why when his owner pets and approves another dog he relaxes too.
I saw Bubbles trying to move away from Griffin who was constantly sniffing at him. The owner had said that Bubbles doesn't like dogs sniffing his butt and that had triggered an attack in a pet store. Griffin kept following and sniffing at him before Kiki was there too and it was too much pressure for Bubbles. I could see Bubbles trying to create space for himself but couldn't so ended up pushing at Griffin.
Good job young man
9:23 that lab😍 such a happy go lucky
Griffin cracks me up he's just a big dumb lab. You're like "Griffin come here please" and he was like big tail wag sorries
Who else got happy when bubbles started playing with the white lap
My comment will probably get lost, but I feel like I know what happened at the end. I mean the strategy seems to be legit, each time the owner goes to pet the other dog, Bubbles relaxes and has no problem with the dog, we can see that especially with the shepherd where he is really tense and the moment the owner pets him Bubbles starts wagging tail and relaxes. And he was great running around with all those dogs. But just before Bubbles got mad, the owner stepped in, all tense and Bubbles also probably thought he is yelling at the other dogs and felt the need to protect. That’s my thought. Good luck with Bubbles!