Porn addiction is what has kept me single up until this age which I’m 29 now turning 30 next month. It is an absolute the worst addiction anyone can imagine. It’s the number one devil because it keeps the young guys single hence why the devil doesn’t want you to get marriedhe wants to take you with him. I relapse last night. I’m back on my feet and I keep saying never again but I need to keep praying and focus on the inner energy. I was doing so fine I was I was turning heads and all of a sudden lost a streak.
It truly is a horrendous addiction. I myself am 23 and have never been in a relationship. It's easy to see how things will either stay the same or get progressively worse until we quit porn leave I'll lust behind in the dust for good. We must stay strong and rise above it. Freedom from PMO is absolutely worth fighting for!
Faith is such a big one, thanks for reminding me! Suppressing anger used to be a big trigger for me, like, I’d rather feel nothing than be angry. Learning how to process anger is something I have been working on. Sounds like you have the shame goggles on a bit. From an objective 3rd party, it is clear to see you are making huge strides!❤
Interesting, learning to process anger is not something I have needed to do in the past given I've mostly had a more calm and temperate demeanor with no history of angry outbursts or worse incidents as what happened recently. But on this path it is definitely a necessary. I have been stuck in a shame cycle for sure. Thanks you reminding me to keep perspective and not forget the progress that has been made. Let's get it!
i have been free all my life with porn .no addiction as such. i use to masturbate excessively. just started no pmo .my first streak was of 38 days .my second was of 60 days & u r right i faced all the negative sides u have talked in video like i lost all my focus got really angry on everyone got very aggressive . became very lazy .though i believe in no pmo it has not changed my life like all that it is propagated.
Thanks for sharing! I think NoFap/No PMO can be a great tool, but we need to be wary of getting caught up in the dogma and not lose sight of the deeper reason why we started in the first place.
Good old “I will just fap without porn, it will be fine..” I stopped fapping completely when I noticed it will eventually tempt me towards pornography no matter what. I got so close to ruining the intimacy in my current relationship that it scared the hell out of me. I believe we who have grown up with porn since our teenage years are so deeply affected by it that the link between masturbation and porn use has become perhaps indestructible. Our brains consider screens as potential sexual partners in a way we can’t consciously wrap our heads around. I sincerely hope you can find a way to live porn free even before you find a partner. You have done phenomenally well and continue to be an inspiration to me. Thank you for the courage to stay transparent.
Thanks Erno! Your support over the past year is very much appreciated. You've made tremendous progress cutting porn completely out of your life and I'm so happy for you that you have found a healthy and fulfilling relationship. You're a true inspiration! Regarding fapping in moderation without porn, I honestly do believe it is possible. Why do I say that. Because I've been able to go long-periods of time in the past where I would fap without porn and feel little urge to go back. Granted, this was only possible after I had a few longer periods of complete abstinence from the whole PMO cycle (90+ days). Even last year when I had a period of 7+ months off porn, I was only on nofap/retention for the first 3 of those months, after which I experimented with fapping in moderation without porn, fantasy, or any external stimulus, just focusing on the act itself. The real danger came towards the end of the year when I went through quite a challenging/stressful time and I started using fantasy again with the excuse that it was okay because it wasn't porn/external stimulus. Low and behold that old mechanism of lust slowly activated and it wasn't long before I slipped up to porn. Masturbation can definitely be a slippery slope for sure and I would never claim that it is healthy. However, it is certainly far less harmful than the act of watching porn and if done in moderation, will have little adverse consequences while allowing men outside relationships to have a way to release without going back to porn or allowing the energy to build to unhealthy and even dangerous levels as I experienced recently. My problem is that I eventually got too obsessed with streaks and needing to be on semen retention even though I found myself having more negative effects leading up to the unfortunate incident. Semen retention is definitely not for everyone and past a certain point I will admit I do not feel comfortable handling that energy. Thus the only two solutions to this are either find a way to masturbate without porn or fantasy (in moderation), or get into a long-term relationship. Finding a healthy and loving relationship should be the ultimate goal here to eventually replace fapping with as well. I would never want to allow myself to fap if I was in a relationship. Thanks for your comment and support! Also look forward to continue following your journey.
Yoooo, if you are in relationship, why would you FAP to begin with? Just WTF are you even doing in this section? Fapping is the release for people without it. So you should not even take part in this conversation to begin with.
I get the impression, after following a bunch of NoFap youtubers, that NoFap is a good tool up until around the 90 day mark. Past that it starts getting sketchy as to what the goal is, 'cause you're not the first to make any of these obsevations. Once a lot of folks hit the 150 to 180 mark that's when they relapse, give up, or lose faith; they find 'the dark side'. I think you're spot on about the day counter, at a certain point it becomes useless, or a hindrance. It would seem, based on the data, hyperfocusing on NoFap in the beginning is good, but then it's better to broaden your focus after a certain point. That would make channelling that sexual energy more practical I would think. Not happy to hear of your relapse, but you've got a strong foundation built. I'm looking forward to see how you succeed in the future
This definitely speaks to the experience I've just had. I think the idea of going 90 days no pmo is great to start with, even doing it a few times to have that clean break that allows men to rewire their mind away from porn and heal problems such as ED. But for me, especially past the 120 day mark the energy built to high levels that I found difficult to handle, hence negative effects such as increased anger and aggression which exploded in the unfortunate incident recently. I'm definitely not happy with this relapse by any means but at the end of the day it provides a golden learning opportunity to find a more sustainable and sensible approach that makes it possible to finally quit porn for good. Thanks for your comment!
Find your higher purpose, once you do that you automatically will quit porn/ fapping. Also you won’t even have to keep track of day, it will be permanent shift I can GUARANTEE you that!
I understand. Your only significant lapse was to P, and that confirmed to you that it (not MO) is poison and the heart of the problem. MO (non-compulsive and in moderation) is far from the worst thing in the world. Not fapping is a key tool to end P addiction, and it can be a facilitator of wider self-improvement, in that it teaches self-discipline, etc. I'm an advocate and encourager of long-term semen retention/celibacy for those who have felt drawn to embrace it, but I have respect for any man who refuses to use P and who might allow occasional non-addictive MO. After I'd done a year of total retention to break my P addiction for good, I resumed occasional non-compulsive MO in moderation. For over two years I would choose to do it or not without any sense of compulsion either way. I knew that I didn't need it, but sometimes I did it because I just wanted it. I also missed retention when not on it, so I'd sometimes choose to go on informal streaks for a few weeks to around three months. Eventually, I was drawn more and more toward wanting to end my MO for good. After due consideration, I enthusiastically decided to go for it. I enjoy total celibacy now; but men vary, as I myself varied over time. If you've chosen to eliminate P while tolerating occasional release, with a view toward perhaps cutting out M in the future, that's entirely respectable. It's highly commendable at your age (an age at which I was a deeply addicted coomer). Keep working on faith. Blessings, my friend!
Thanks Mike, definitely needed to hear that. You are one of the most inspirational, encouraging, yet still realistic and grounded voices in this space. Always love hearing about your experiences! Going forward I plan to experiment with allowing occasional MO (with no P, external stimulus or fantasy) perhaps once every month (wouldn't want to go more than that). Won't focus on streaks or counting days and will slowly experiment with longer term retention in cycles as I become more confident again in my ability to stay away from P which will remain my main goal. I'm definitely not happy about this relapse, but now a day later I'm growing more confident in turning this potentially catastrophic loss into an undeniable win that can lead to much stronger results in the long-run with this journey of recovery from addiction. Onwards and upwards!
I'm curious: why is no one talking about balance? I believe relieving yourself once or twice a week can be more beneficial, than always feeling like a bomb ready to explode. Can tell everyone here that if you're more focused on fixing your inner problems (talking about ego and emotional problems here), eventually other things won't even be a problem anymore. There might be people here that think they have a problem with fapping and that it influences their power... No. Fapping does not define you. You're still you. And that won't fix who you are, you can only fix yourself. We're all sinners, don't beat yourself too hard, try to be better with people, to be more kind. That's the essence. Balance is everything.
The whole streak mentality is a big part of the problem. Need to think more long-term rather than focusing on arbitrary concepts such as day counts which ultimately don't matter
@@PathOfTheYotopian I agree about not focusing on day counts but the purpose in my case is to regain my sexual strength and direct it into something greater along with recovering from ED and that requires months. I subbed to you for encouragement but I decided to unsub because I disagree with your current path. Good luck.
I cannot subscribe to the notion that doing it with a live woman is morally superior to doing it with a recorded woman. They're both empty lustful porn unless the woman is your wife in a sacred commitment of love and lifetime union. They're both addictive and lead only to guilt, shame, and unhappiness.
nofap has always been crap. all these ppl do is come with talking points to feed off men who dont have the PROPER guidance when it comes to relationships. only good their might be in it is self control, which can be a turn on for women. but if u dont release u can become thirsty and THAT she will sense on you.
You make some good points but I think you're looking too much into it especially with the women attraction stuff. NoFap is a tool at the end of the day, nothing more, nothing less. It works if you use it appropriately, otherwise it can become a hindrance.
I first got addicted to PMO in 2017 at age 16, then got sucked in very quickly. Three years later in early 2019 I discovered nofap and learnt the depth of the addiction. Its been a string of many wins and losses since then, switching between feeling like being on top of the world, and a never ending nightmare/uphill battle. Its now been 7 years since I first got addicted and 5 years since I discovered nofap. Tired of the cycle so its time to switch things up and break free for good
That is something well worth considering. I'm starting to consider the idea of finding an ideal ejaculation frequency (with no porn/fantasy/external stimulus) rather than being obsessed with pure semen retention streaks and letting the energy build to unreasonable levels without being able to process and channel it properly
I honestly have no idea. Its still a mystery to me. If I knew how the channel the energy like that I likely would not have experienced the problems I just described. If I ever learn to figure it out, will make a video for sure.
@@PathOfTheYotopianspot on, take the L like a man, and most importantly take the lesson it teaches you. It's not the end, especially if you give it a chance to analyse what led to the incident, and how you can keepm.ovong forward despite a step or two back. I was shocked initially to hear about your relapse (using this word for a lack of a better one), but I like your honesty and first step towards self analysis. Maybe this will catapult you to the next level. I do hope you will find that woman in your live, but be aware that it won't be perfection and solve all.youe problems. Maybe the first relationship you have to look at is your relationship with yourself. Soldier on, don't give up, ever. We all fall sometimes, it's important to remember that you always can get up again, sometimes with the help of others, so don't be afraid to reach out
@@PathOfTheYotopian we all been there and that's fine but quitting nofap is surrendering to your addiction like you wiped your progress, specially with watching porn. I see your brain might haven't healed from it but I'm no expert just my thought.
@@KP-48-007 I don't know if you watched towards the end but me saying I'm quitting nofap is only symbolic. I start hating the very term 'nofap' and all the baggage that comes with it. I have by no means given up on the journey quitting pmo, especially cutting out porn. NoFap is just a tool, not a result in an of itself. you are right that my brain has certainly not fully healed yet and I have further issues to handle, but am certainly not wiping away all my progress from this one incident.
Porn addiction is what has kept me single up until this age which I’m 29 now turning 30 next month. It is an absolute the worst addiction anyone can imagine. It’s the number one devil because it keeps the young guys single hence why the devil doesn’t want you to get marriedhe wants to take you with him. I relapse last night. I’m back on my feet and I keep saying never again but I need to keep praying and focus on the inner energy. I was doing so fine I was I was turning heads and all of a sudden lost a streak.
It truly is a horrendous addiction. I myself am 23 and have never been in a relationship. It's easy to see how things will either stay the same or get progressively worse until we quit porn leave I'll lust behind in the dust for good. We must stay strong and rise above it. Freedom from PMO is absolutely worth fighting for!
Faith is such a big one, thanks for reminding me! Suppressing anger used to be a big trigger for me, like, I’d rather feel nothing than be angry.
Learning how to process anger is something I have been working on.
Sounds like you have the shame goggles on a bit. From an objective 3rd party, it is clear to see you are making huge strides!❤
Interesting, learning to process anger is not something I have needed to do in the past given I've mostly had a more calm and temperate demeanor with no history of angry outbursts or worse incidents as what happened recently. But on this path it is definitely a necessary.
I have been stuck in a shame cycle for sure. Thanks you reminding me to keep perspective and not forget the progress that has been made. Let's get it!
@@PathOfTheYotopian it’s just energy!
i have been free all my life with porn .no addiction as such. i use to masturbate excessively. just started no pmo .my first streak was of 38 days .my second was of 60 days & u r right i faced all the negative sides u have talked in video like i lost all my focus got really angry on everyone got very aggressive . became very lazy .though i believe in no pmo it has not changed my life like all that it is propagated.
Thanks for sharing! I think NoFap/No PMO can be a great tool, but we need to be wary of getting caught up in the dogma and not lose sight of the deeper reason why we started in the first place.
Good old “I will just fap without porn, it will be fine..”
I stopped fapping completely when I noticed it will eventually tempt me towards pornography no matter what. I got so close to ruining the intimacy in my current relationship that it scared the hell out of me.
I believe we who have grown up with porn since our teenage years are so deeply affected by it that the link between masturbation and porn use has become perhaps indestructible.
Our brains consider screens as potential sexual partners in a way we can’t consciously wrap our heads around.
I sincerely hope you can find a way to live porn free even before you find a partner. You have done phenomenally well and continue to be an inspiration to me.
Thank you for the courage to stay transparent.
Yohan is an inspiration to me as well.
Thanks Erno! Your support over the past year is very much appreciated. You've made tremendous progress cutting porn completely out of your life and I'm so happy for you that you have found a healthy and fulfilling relationship. You're a true inspiration!
Regarding fapping in moderation without porn, I honestly do believe it is possible. Why do I say that. Because I've been able to go long-periods of time in the past where I would fap without porn and feel little urge to go back. Granted, this was only possible after I had a few longer periods of complete abstinence from the whole PMO cycle (90+ days). Even last year when I had a period of 7+ months off porn, I was only on nofap/retention for the first 3 of those months, after which I experimented with fapping in moderation without porn, fantasy, or any external stimulus, just focusing on the act itself. The real danger came towards the end of the year when I went through quite a challenging/stressful time and I started using fantasy again with the excuse that it was okay because it wasn't porn/external stimulus. Low and behold that old mechanism of lust slowly activated and it wasn't long before I slipped up to porn.
Masturbation can definitely be a slippery slope for sure and I would never claim that it is healthy. However, it is certainly far less harmful than the act of watching porn and if done in moderation, will have little adverse consequences while allowing men outside relationships to have a way to release without going back to porn or allowing the energy to build to unhealthy and even dangerous levels as I experienced recently. My problem is that I eventually got too obsessed with streaks and needing to be on semen retention even though I found myself having more negative effects leading up to the unfortunate incident. Semen retention is definitely not for everyone and past a certain point I will admit I do not feel comfortable handling that energy. Thus the only two solutions to this are either find a way to masturbate without porn or fantasy (in moderation), or get into a long-term relationship. Finding a healthy and loving relationship should be the ultimate goal here to eventually replace fapping with as well. I would never want to allow myself to fap if I was in a relationship.
Thanks for your comment and support! Also look forward to continue following your journey.
Yoooo, if you are in relationship, why would you FAP to begin with? Just WTF are you even doing in this section?
Fapping is the release for people without it. So you should not even take part in this conversation to begin with.
I get the impression, after following a bunch of NoFap youtubers, that NoFap is a good tool up until around the 90 day mark. Past that it starts getting sketchy as to what the goal is, 'cause you're not the first to make any of these obsevations. Once a lot of folks hit the 150 to 180 mark that's when they relapse, give up, or lose faith; they find 'the dark side'.
I think you're spot on about the day counter, at a certain point it becomes useless, or a hindrance. It would seem, based on the data, hyperfocusing on NoFap in the beginning is good, but then it's better to broaden your focus after a certain point. That would make channelling that sexual energy more practical I would think.
Not happy to hear of your relapse, but you've got a strong foundation built. I'm looking forward to see how you succeed in the future
This definitely speaks to the experience I've just had. I think the idea of going 90 days no pmo is great to start with, even doing it a few times to have that clean break that allows men to rewire their mind away from porn and heal problems such as ED. But for me, especially past the 120 day mark the energy built to high levels that I found difficult to handle, hence negative effects such as increased anger and aggression which exploded in the unfortunate incident recently.
I'm definitely not happy with this relapse by any means but at the end of the day it provides a golden learning opportunity to find a more sustainable and sensible approach that makes it possible to finally quit porn for good. Thanks for your comment!
Find your higher purpose, once you do that you automatically will quit porn/ fapping. Also you won’t even have to keep track of day, it will be permanent shift I can GUARANTEE you that!
Facts!
I understand. Your only significant lapse was to P, and that confirmed to you that it (not MO) is poison and the heart of the problem. MO (non-compulsive and in moderation) is far from the worst thing in the world. Not fapping is a key tool to end P addiction, and it can be a facilitator of wider self-improvement, in that it teaches self-discipline, etc. I'm an advocate and encourager of long-term semen retention/celibacy for those who have felt drawn to embrace it, but I have respect for any man who refuses to use P and who might allow occasional non-addictive MO. After I'd done a year of total retention to break my P addiction for good, I resumed occasional non-compulsive MO in moderation. For over two years I would choose to do it or not without any sense of compulsion either way. I knew that I didn't need it, but sometimes I did it because I just wanted it. I also missed retention when not on it, so I'd sometimes choose to go on informal streaks for a few weeks to around three months. Eventually, I was drawn more and more toward wanting to end my MO for good. After due consideration, I enthusiastically decided to go for it. I enjoy total celibacy now; but men vary, as I myself varied over time. If you've chosen to eliminate P while tolerating occasional release, with a view toward perhaps cutting out M in the future, that's entirely respectable. It's highly commendable at your age (an age at which I was a deeply addicted coomer). Keep working on faith. Blessings, my friend!
Thanks Mike, definitely needed to hear that. You are one of the most inspirational, encouraging, yet still realistic and grounded voices in this space. Always love hearing about your experiences!
Going forward I plan to experiment with allowing occasional MO (with no P, external stimulus or fantasy) perhaps once every month (wouldn't want to go more than that). Won't focus on streaks or counting days and will slowly experiment with longer term retention in cycles as I become more confident again in my ability to stay away from P which will remain my main goal.
I'm definitely not happy about this relapse, but now a day later I'm growing more confident in turning this potentially catastrophic loss into an undeniable win that can lead to much stronger results in the long-run with this journey of recovery from addiction.
Onwards and upwards!
@@PathOfTheYotopian That's the spirit! You've laid out a viable path, and I have confidence in you. Remember: Faith!
I'm curious: why is no one talking about balance? I believe relieving yourself once or twice a week can be more beneficial,
than always feeling like a bomb ready to explode.
Can tell everyone here that if you're more focused on fixing your inner problems (talking about ego and emotional problems here),
eventually other things won't even be a problem anymore.
There might be people here that think they have a problem with fapping and that it influences their power...
No. Fapping does not define you. You're still you. And that won't fix who you are, you can only fix yourself.
We're all sinners, don't beat yourself too hard, try to be better with people, to be more kind. That's the essence.
Balance is everything.
Yeah I agree with this, if you're able to just masturbate without porn you're fine lol.
Well said! There's definitely an important case to be made for balance!
Yeah, things get dangerous after the 120 day mark.
Definitely speaks to the experience I just had
Oh my God
Don't know why but randomly seeing this comment among all the others cracked me up 🤣
If you did it with a woman like a normal human that would have been fine, but losing the streak like this is L
The whole streak mentality is a big part of the problem. Need to think more long-term rather than focusing on arbitrary concepts such as day counts which ultimately don't matter
@@PathOfTheYotopian I agree about not focusing on day counts but the purpose in my case is to regain my sexual strength and direct it into something greater along with recovering from ED and that requires months. I subbed to you for encouragement but I decided to unsub because I disagree with your current path. Good luck.
@@KP-48-007 Fair enough. There is not one single road to success. I wish you the best of luck with your journey.
I cannot subscribe to the notion that doing it with a live woman is morally superior to doing it with a recorded woman. They're both empty lustful porn unless the woman is your wife in a sacred commitment of love and lifetime union. They're both addictive and lead only to guilt, shame, and unhappiness.
@@KP-48-007If you're such a pro at it, why do you need encouragement?🤔
nofap has always been crap. all these ppl do is come with talking points to feed off men who dont have the PROPER guidance when it comes to relationships. only good their might be in it is self control, which can be a turn on for women. but if u dont release u can become thirsty and THAT she will sense on you.
You make some good points but I think you're looking too much into it especially with the women attraction stuff. NoFap is a tool at the end of the day, nothing more, nothing less. It works if you use it appropriately, otherwise it can become a hindrance.
Man how long you were addicted to masturabation may i know for how many year?
I first got addicted to PMO in 2017 at age 16, then got sucked in very quickly. Three years later in early 2019 I discovered nofap and learnt the depth of the addiction. Its been a string of many wins and losses since then, switching between feeling like being on top of the world, and a never ending nightmare/uphill battle. Its now been 7 years since I first got addicted and 5 years since I discovered nofap. Tired of the cycle so its time to switch things up and break free for good
@@PathOfTheYotopian man just trust the process
Why dont you try an ejaculation frequency like once 100 days .
That is something well worth considering. I'm starting to consider the idea of finding an ideal ejaculation frequency (with no porn/fantasy/external stimulus) rather than being obsessed with pure semen retention streaks and letting the energy build to unreasonable levels without being able to process and channel it properly
Can u make a video about how to channel the energy upward.. I see people talking abt this but no one explain how to do it . @@PathOfTheYotopian
I honestly have no idea. Its still a mystery to me. If I knew how the channel the energy like that I likely would not have experienced the problems I just described. If I ever learn to figure it out, will make a video for sure.
L
Most important thing is to learn to turn these Ls into Ws
@@PathOfTheYotopianspot on, take the L like a man, and most importantly take the lesson it teaches you. It's not the end, especially if you give it a chance to analyse what led to the incident, and how you can keepm.ovong forward despite a step or two back.
I was shocked initially to hear about your relapse (using this word for a lack of a better one), but I like your honesty and first step towards self analysis.
Maybe this will catapult you to the next level.
I do hope you will find that woman in your live, but be aware that it won't be perfection and solve all.youe problems.
Maybe the first relationship you have to look at is your relationship with yourself.
Soldier on, don't give up, ever. We all fall sometimes, it's important to remember that you always can get up again, sometimes with the help of others, so don't be afraid to reach out
@@maggotexplores2738 Thank you, I needed that!
@@PathOfTheYotopian we all been there and that's fine but quitting nofap is surrendering to your addiction like you wiped your progress, specially with watching porn. I see your brain might haven't healed from it but I'm no expert just my thought.
@@KP-48-007 I don't know if you watched towards the end but me saying I'm quitting nofap is only symbolic. I start hating the very term 'nofap' and all the baggage that comes with it. I have by no means given up on the journey quitting pmo, especially cutting out porn. NoFap is just a tool, not a result in an of itself. you are right that my brain has certainly not fully healed yet and I have further issues to handle, but am certainly not wiping away all my progress from this one incident.