As predictable as the sunrise is Toyota blaming the operator for the problem. You drove in a reasonable manner. An off road vehicle should be able to cope with a water splash. The explanation remains unsatisfactory from Toyota
They basically just admit that the car can't handle a splash of water. And that the customer is supposed to know that and always drive walking speed through water. How the f do they admit the flaw while blaming it on the consumer at the same time.. This was a dumb move from Toyota..
Twenty years ago a service manager was trying to explain away some warranty issues. I interrupted him mid sentence with this. " I'm not interested in your soft coc excuses, just sort the problems." He finished with. "Will do." Sometimes you just need to be firm but polite.😂
@ no. A PM who is out of his depth. RUDD/GILLARD govt. not much different. Wind and lithium NO THANKS. Divided nation! No money, car prices going up with more taxes. Old diesel car prices will go up, that’s good. But new car sales will suffer as the rest of the country is🇦🇺 the NO vote, means NO. NBN too old, I think Rudd started that. Starlink or 5g is better
As a 30+ year mechanic on a whole lot of different types of vehicles never in my days have I heard such BS from a manufacturer claiming that water in the air intake caused the electrical system failure, as I’m sure we all know this was a failure of the V-tech system where water ingress into the 12v/48v starter generator unit has caused the issue and nothing to do with water ingress in the air box, we all know what that causes
30 + years and youve never worked on a hybrid clearly. Go back to school or retire mate, a lot of hybrids take air intake for electrical systems through the primary or secondary air intakes. 30+ years hahahaha
I have always been under the assumption that the air intake provides clean air for the engine to operate , so i am confused as to what the air intake has to do with the electrical system.
@@tallboy49as per Steve211 explanation. Similar system is used for starter generator cooling, for an aircrafts APU. Except, the APU starter generator uses a separate cooling fan driven the via the accessories gear box.
lets be real hardly fking any of these will make it off road anyway. At least with Toyota they will improve, unlike holden or ford for example that had the same problems from inception till death
Saw one the other day and found the engine computer mounted in the front left hand side of the engine bay has not got the connectors sealed with rubber grommets. The middle connector in the module has exposed wires allowing water to drip down into the computer module. Yes you heard it hear first. Go have a look and you’ll see
This needs a better explanation from Toyota. Water in the engine air intake affecting the 48V system dosen't make sense IMO. Maybe it's some other air intake system.
It’s the afterthought mild hydrid system. Just popped in somewhere. No wonder this 250 was 6 months late than forecast. Engineers had to come up with a solution. A solution that will prove to be a recall I bet.
I'm tipping they use intake air to cool the generator/alternator/starter thing. Because the airbox lets in dust and water, the generator gets wet and sh*ts itself. Very useful when travelling remote in Australia and you get a downpour, because, for example, travelling at walking pace from William Creek to Oodnadatta is exactly what anyone would want to do...........
I didn't expect Toyota to admit a design flaw on their new model (even if there was one or two). Their reply is as much as expected, and that is to pass the blame on to the user. Though, having a "Land Cruiser" brand on the model (even if it's just the Prado), I would have expected better protection from that action.
I find it hard to believe that they actually designed their hybrid vehicles when I see the level of incompetence Toyota has with this and their EV. The old guy that did the hybrids and the other guy that did airboxes have both retired and did not train anyone else at Toyota
@rc70ys as of 2024 over 6,000 GR Corolla’s have been sold in the USA and only 2 have been reported as “catching fire” … investigations into illegal modifications, or insurance have not been confirmed.
@rc70ys as of 2024 over 6,000 GR Corolla’s have been sold in the USA, only 2 have been reported as “just catching fire … investigations into illegal modifications or insurance fraud have not been confirmed.
Over many years Toyota has built a reputation for toughness and reliability in the Australian bush and outback - this hard won reputation is now at, what should be seen by Toyota as an unacceptable, risk. Sadly, as you demonstrate, the 250 can't follow a 150 out in the bush or on the bitumen (it would run out of fuel trying). And accidently getting into surprisingly deep muddy water can easily happen - although the water was NOT deep in your case. For example: first weekend out in my brand new, then unmodified, 150 (over 7 years ago) a seemingly shallow and short puddle, looking just like all the others in a run of about 8 or 9 (early spring in Julimar State forest WA), turned out so much deeper than the previous puddles. I had muddy water coming over the top of my brand new bonnet and up my windscreen! The engine bay was a muddy mess - including the underside of the plastic cover that surrounds the oil filler cap and under bonnet insulation. The 150 didn't miss a beat, pulled through and continued on. And has kept on ever since. I keep my engine bay very clean, but there are still traces of that mud - including stains on white insulation on the underside of that cover and on the under bonnet insulation - despite many a good clean. So deep muddy water can and does happen in the bush. Seems this 48v system is not fit for purpose. More failures will follow for sure. I love my 150!
@@sheldonlea Not until this issue is fixed, as I'm sure it will be. And in any case, as has been demonstrated in recent years, best to wait two or three years to see how they go. Also - worth considering the Lexus GX550 Overtrail as a viable alternative. The 300 is an option too, but currently monitoring that one - hot vee, small sump, small tank (so need to upgrade capacity) and thin main bearings.. And also very (to much) techy..
Great response....... by you.............. total BS by Toyota. It reminds me of their initial denial of the DPF issues I faced with the 2018 150, it was my fault etc, well we all know how that ended for Toyota I'll evently get a compensation cheque for that mistake. Even now their "fix" was NOT an engineering solution but instead a software bypass. The DPF sensor was clogging due to poor design, and this meant the DPF clogged up, Toyotas solution bypass the sensor and program a DPF burn default ever 300km irrespective of if it needed it or not. These burns typically take 30km and burn extra diesel in the process thereby reducing the range from about 1300km to a shade under 1,000 (so maybe it is time to go after Toyota for false fuel economy claims as well) . Then there is the dusting issue you identified - how many Ks has that knocked off the service life of the motor, then the timing chain stretch issues..... surely it isn't all the owners/driver’s fault. Toyota have had 15 years to get the 250 right to me it is starting to look like the 250 stands for the number of inherent faults caused by poor engineering.
Sorry mate I agree with you the 250 is a shitbox but I was talking about old mate who said that all Toyotas are shitboxes. hes obviously never owned one
Nothing. Unless the puddle a foot deep. In which case you will run the chance of doing that to any unmodified car. Or hydroplaning yourself to meet your maker. Seriously, does this stuff need explaining?
Your water crossing is not unusual & anyone travelling outback who’ll do this essentially if towing & you don’t want to get bogged. Toyota is overpriced garbage.
@@peterburdett8131 I loved Toyota. I love my 2008 Prado. This is all just so disappointing. In Australia Toyota are taking us for mugs with too much money.
Yeah, nah. They work perfectly for AU conditions. All you have to do is slow to walking pace anytime you encounter water. Same as EV's, you just have to top up the battery at every opportunity.
*your water crossing is not unusual WITH modifications like breathers and a snorkel. There, fixed it for you. Anybody hitting the wet stuff hard without a snorkel is not bright.
People still think the Toyota warranty means anything!!! In my experience the warranty is void the moment you drive out the yard! I had Toyota service reps "formally" telling me that the paint warranty is void if you put a sticker on the car (head some V8 decals). Of course they refused to put it in writing despite me asking for the same. The refused to check a clutch shudder because it had a bull bar fitted. I challenged the "tech" as Toyota also puts bull bars on the cars. Don't get me wrong, I still own another Toyota but would rather have wisdom tooth removal than ask them for any repairs or warranty claims. I have had a number of fall outs with Toyota as they even tried to double charge me for works that was already quoted. Also had issues with the "accessories team" - they did not fit all the fixings and even lost some. Took the car back the next day (after collection) and then they wanted the car for a WEEK to investigate missing screws!?!?!? We also have a RAV 4 and still having trouble with Toyota addressing "missing cabin lights". Sounds bizarre I know but they do not know if it is a std spec issue or not. The best part was they wanted me to bring the car back for a diagnostic driver to take the car for a spin - TO CHECK MISSING SWITCH LIGHTS. Their "sales service" is EXCELLENT but their after sales service is absolutely appalling.
Toyota reached peak reliability from 1990 to around 2010 down hill ever since. The late model ones are far too electronic and who wants Addblue or no boot space or fake hybrids.
I love seeing a motoring journalist who is not bought and sold by the car manufacturers. I think modern 4WD’s don’t like being driven through water fast in general but it shouldn’t kill it, maybe a few lights for a while.
Yea, I was hanging out in anticipation for this Prado but how disappointing. No way in the world would I feel comfortable taking this car in the middle of nowhere thinking it may not bring me home safely
My Dad has a 150 series it’s done 1 & 1/2 laps round Australia towing a large Caravan has never missed a beat awesome car , runs a K&N air filter & regular servicing that’s it !!! 😁👍
Sometimes it is actually necessary to go quickly through a water hole in order to have enough kinetic energy to make it through. Imagine if the bottom was soft silt that day and you'd gotten it stuck. Also, how can "we R&D our cars in extreme Aussie conditions" and "don't drive so quickly into the big puddle" make a rational argument?
So the 48V generator/starter/whatever is cooled using air from the inlet after the air cleaner. The air cleaner is like all current Toyota air cleaners, which is not sealed against dust and therefore not sealed against water either. Brilliant design? No, imagine getting caught in the outback halfway up the Oonadatta or Simpson crossing and you absolutely need to go faster than walking pace through wet roads or salt pans. The Toyota will stop, and it will be your fault!!!!!! Clearly Toyota's "extensive" outback testing was all in dry weather. Fortunately, the buyer can choose to buy another brand. Only those who swallow the "Unbreakable Toyota" mantra will be forced to eat humble pie when their sh*tbox stops in any puddle of water.
When I was 18 I used to drive my old 1982 Gemini through "puddles" like that when Wyong kept flooding and never had an issue. Now I'm 56 and live in the glorious NSW Hunter Valley, which is currently under flood alert I am so glad I have a 2019 Nissan Y62 Patrol that can drive through flooded culverts and not have an issue. I must say I do love my 1989 FJ75 Troopcarrier with its Holden 5.7 litre V8 that is also capable of driving through the culverts without difficulty. Oh what a feeling!!!
Or a top end tropical down pour. Now I know why all these new 4wd were parked up on the side of the road during a down pour last week. But the old ba just pushed on through all the water and kept going.
If that puddle was the cause of the failure, Toyota have a serious issue to deal with. That is an unacceptable failure in really minimal wet conditions. It really does make one wonder how it would cope with a rainstorm on a paved highway with all the rain and spray that would involve. Also there is no way that water going through the engine air filter would transfer into an externally mounted starter/generator such as its mild hybrid system. The amount of water seen in the video should, as with all other vehicles you have put through there, have been shrugged off by the vehicle as being mildly damp with no malfunctions resulting.
You understand that speed plays a factor, yes? If you hit a foot of mud in a 100 series landcruiser without a snorkel doing enough kph to throw it over your roof, you will kill it. It's a dice roll at the very least. One which carsales lost.
@@Saphire0437 Over 20 years I have had water splash over my 100 Series Land Cruiser dozens of times with no ill effects. This isn’t about deep wading at inappropriate speed either, so there must be a design fault of its new and novel alternator thing that makes it a mild hybrid. You would never kill a 100 series or a HiLux under the same conditions I can assure you.
Mates been a Toyota mechanic for just over 30 years now in Sydney, he said they've had heaps of these back under warranty with 48v issues, cars are just too complicated these days
If Toyota considers that to be a water crossing requiring you to travel at walking pace, then the vehicle is not fit for purpose. We have had weather events in past few months that have left more water on main roads of Melbourne. If the vehicle requires that I slow down to 5 km/hr for every puddle, it is just badly designed and should not have got of the drawing board. They claim they tested it in the Australian outback, they must have done it during the dry season. I have seen deeper puddles on main highways.
The water cannot have gone via the air intake - that would have drowned the engine. I am guessing but I believe the 48V system would have been blasted from below. Any which way, obviously not a good design.
I've driven through plenty of mud bogs in the same manner in my "unreliable" Touareg and never had any issues. I don't think Toyota's response is entirely reasonable here.
Don’t have any car brand loyalty, but jeez I see a lot of car influencers having trouble with Toyotas, surprising to always hear the reliability claim? 4wd community seem to be dinosaurs
Toyota has lost all credibility. They are no longer the pinnacle of reliability. The 300 series is an absolute mess The new prado is simply only adding salt to an already gaping wound. BMW are making a more reliable unit than Toyota. Sounds crazy but the Data doesnt lie, not too mention the fact the Toyota Supra is a BMW with a body kit. Tells you everything you need to know. Toyota is broke and are cutting costs via the way of Shortcuts and poor Quality Control. It seems that a Tesla can wade through deeper water than a new Prado 😂
All corporations end up this way eventually. Never ending growth means that you need to minimise costs and maximise profits and cut corners to achieve profitability.
Fair assessment mate, ive seen bigger splashes on suburban roads during rain storms, that little puddle whilst looking dramatic was not a great volume or depth of water in the scheme of things. Do better Toyota.
Shallow water can splash high when you hit it at 80kph. Deeper water can splash just as high when hit at 30kph. It's not really right to suggest that driving through puddles on a road is the same as hitting half a foot of muddy hole like an idiot without even a snorkel.
I note that you took both GWM Tank 300 and Tank 500 through same puddle with no problems, both also hybrids. Instead of laying blame Toyota should engineer a solution. But that’s not the Toyota way. Problem? Call the PR team, be it engine flaws or emissions standards. I also note that when the aforementioned GWM had issues with brakes and acceleration, they fixed it. This is why the future is Chinese, not Japan, sadly.
Makes the Toyota Tax look even more ridiculous these days. I own a 200 Series but it will be my last Toyota I will ever buy. Dealing with Toyota is a struggle for anything. I went through water, killed the AMP (it's under the seat). I wanted to get it replaced by them (at my expense, I acknowledged it was my fault) they asked me if I could go somewhere else.
They had so much time ( aprox15yr) to develop a new / good vehicle and they couldnt make it. -No KDSS ( bad) -poor clearence , if you put the same size tires as on LC150, then the clearance is worse -wading depth , questionable -same frame as LC300 but less weight, it means "savings" -small fuel tank -baggage department for 7 seater is a joke -plastic dooor steps, no/poor underneath protection Time will tell what more. Trully, when new LC300 & Tundra came , I saw that they did a bad job-
They drive the same way in their marketing material, so is it false advertising? Ive thatshed my 150 through puddles no issues at all. 250 must be weak.
This is like saying if you drive your GR Corolla over 100KM the warranty is not covered. If you drive your gr 86 around the track and get oil starvation it’s not covered by warranty.
Having to drive through at walking pace would render many water crossings impassable. The offending water hazard was extremely mild, but something like a steep exit from a creek would require a speed of at least 10 km/h, probably much more, to have enough momentum for the exit to be successful. So driving to Toyota's specifications would really impair the usability of the Prado. But I guess that's how you make a vehicle seem broadly capable while abdicating any responsibility for its limitations or repair costs.
I don't know if cars have enough pre-production testing as they used to ? Chinese model update cycles are expected every 2 years. From BYD Shark utes that can't get up hills and Toyota 4WDS that can't cope with outback dust ..... What next ?
Also, people need to understand that you pay much more upfront for the 48V, and the fuel savings over several years are minimal to recoup that initial investment.
Definitely ought to be more water proof. Even in a Sequoia I had a couple of years back: taken by surprise by a less-than shallow highway puddle, flooded the entire hood and windscreen with water - no problem. The good news: saves me some money, will keep my old Prado then ;)
It’s supposed to be a 4WD Toyota ffs! I was interested in a new Prado, but after seeing all this - here’s my official statement. Toyota- I’ll be saving my money and buying a Pajero sport”. And I was being super polite there Toy-yoda!
I do think you drove too fast to be fair, water's not compressible (the basis of hydraulics) so it can pack a punch and I can still remember the belly whacks at the local pool.
They will fix the issues soon mate. They always do. Toyota is Toyota. Alternative you can buy a Tank 300.and post us a picture in couple of months with the handle (literally) in your hand.
@ wouldn’t buy a tank. No interest. But the boot is too small in a prado, 200 series too thirsty for city driving now days. I am thinking BYD SHARK, but don’t want a dual cab, had a BT50 once for 12 months, not practical for my situation. I love my Toyotas. Haven’t given up on them, I will just keep an older prado for a while,
Thanks very much for the entertaining straight talking in the response. It’s not what I have come to expect with motor journalism so I am very grateful. Maybe I should subscribe if this is the standard of work with carsales!
As an outside observer to 4wding culture it seems ToyBoata is of the opinion that someone who buys an eye wateringly priced land cruiser will be an experienced 4 W dinger, and will drive carefully if for no other reason than to protect their investment. The reality may likely be that someone with no knowledge or experience of 4w dinging, buys one and then thinks they can drive however they see best. Why not, the car costs….(dunno), but it’ll take care of the rest. Time for ToyBoata to design their cars to be idiot resistant.
These new "4x4" are no way near as good as older older generations that my patrol was fully submerged in water up to the steering wheel granted it did need a good clean out and service after all that but drove me home and drove me around the bush for the next 3 days these new generation once ain't worth what they say not even close
Yeah that is on you mate, driving through any body of water at speed is only ever good for camera shots. All manufacturers advise against it and for good reason.
While I like Ronny and his channel, he is a diehard Toyota man. Also he is a TH-camr with a lot of clout, so Toyota will look after him. None of which is his fault, just the way it is.
This is bloody ridiculous. The much higher voltage drive units, connections and batteries in most BEVs are completely sealed and get exposed to water for years without issues. There are numerous examples of (pretty silly to be honest) Tesla owners driving through flood waters and even floating and they come out none the worse for it. Toyota has made a dud, pure and simple.
What a shocker that Toyota blame it on the driver. Regardless, being a "Land Cruiser" model, it should have better protection for that sort of use. This is the off-road focused Altitude variant after all. It should be Land Cruiser tough and Land Cruiser durable. Instead it's more like a tougher looking soccer mum transport.
It seems to me over the last couple of years Toyota vehicles are not being built to the tough, bullet proof standard they used to. I will say I'm not the biggest fan of Landcruisers or Prados but that is because I feel their price tag is too high for the vehicle you get especially with vehicles like the 79 series but I do admit they are known to be a bullet proof rig and in the last 12/24 months it seems that is slipping. My Pajero would hit mud like that time & time again with no major issues even before I put a snorkel on. For that puddle to kill the car shows a major problem, I know shopping centres with deeper water in thr carpark.
just before Christmas, I went to check one out and trade my Kakadu in 2011 model when I saw no boot. Space plus a battery system smaller fuel tank I decided not to I will just look for a 200 series, V8 Sahara
I think you have been reasonable with your response, but my question is has there been others with the same issue or was this just an isolated incident? I have seen a few reviews with water crossing and no problems? I guess time will tell!
"Land Cruiser drives us home...' except if there's dust or puddles!
Or long grass as per latest Toymota recall.
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There are landcruisers, and then there are LandCruisers.
@@craigice9635 and then … there are LandKlugers
Heaven forbid you take it though a car wash
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Car washes dont force water into your airbox like hitting a pond like a hoon does.
or wash it with a pressure washer like so many love to do.. got to get all that grease and engine oil out and replace it with water! lol..
@@Saphire0437
Cars in the 1960s could drive in water 😂😂
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As predictable as the sunrise is Toyota blaming the operator for the problem. You drove in a reasonable manner. An off road vehicle should be able to cope with a water splash. The explanation remains unsatisfactory from Toyota
Bit like albo and his team, blaming everyone else
They basically just admit that the car can't handle a splash of water. And that the customer is supposed to know that and always drive walking speed through water. How the f do they admit the flaw while blaming it on the consumer at the same time.. This was a dumb move from Toyota..
Twenty years ago a service manager was trying to explain away some warranty issues.
I interrupted him mid sentence with this. " I'm not interested in your soft coc excuses, just sort the problems." He finished with. "Will do."
Sometimes you just need to be firm but polite.😂
@aussieadvrider you mean the PM who is trying to correct 12 years of liberal mismanagement and dodgy dealings with mining companies??
@ no. A PM who is out of his depth. RUDD/GILLARD govt. not much different. Wind and lithium NO THANKS. Divided nation! No money, car prices going up with more taxes. Old diesel car prices will go up, that’s good. But new car sales will suffer as the rest of the country is🇦🇺 the NO vote, means NO. NBN too old, I think Rudd started that. Starlink or 5g is better
The way you drove through the water looked ok to me.
From a Land Rover owners perspective, you guys can no longer repetitively say "Land Cruisers will always get you home"
That's not a landcruiser mate. Real landcruisers stopped at the 200 series plus it's a Prado
Also no matter how bad toyota gets it still will be more reliable than a new land rover
LC70 can
@Jyden_Carmody everyone has a "real landcruisers stopped with the [insert favourite model here]" comment. It's tiresome.
Toyota left the group😂😂😂😂😂
As a 30+ year mechanic on a whole lot of different types of vehicles never in my days have I heard such BS from a manufacturer claiming that water in the air intake caused the electrical system failure, as I’m sure we all know this was a failure of the V-tech system where water ingress into the 12v/48v starter generator unit has caused the issue and nothing to do with water ingress in the air box, we all know what that causes
30 + years and youve never worked on a hybrid clearly. Go back to school or retire mate, a lot of hybrids take air intake for electrical systems through the primary or secondary air intakes. 30+ years hahahaha
@@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi Another expert there a dime a dozen.
I have always been under the assumption that the air intake provides clean air for the engine to operate , so i am confused as to what the air intake has to do with the electrical system.
@@tallboy49as per Steve211 explanation. Similar system is used for starter generator cooling, for an aircrafts APU. Except, the APU starter generator uses a separate cooling fan driven the via the accessories gear box.
So why not just put an alternator in also, and be 100% redundant on that one issue?
Toyota should take note of how KTM killed their brand by not honouring their warranties.
@@fred3527 toyota has always been good for me, however the same can't be said for Nissan, Ford or Isuzu.
Cheese cams....😂
Doesn't matter as long as they're the lightest weight with the highest hp
There's a lot more to KTM problems than warranty.
@DavidLeane-cp2lz Yeah, also profit gorging. Another thing the two companies have in common.
In summary, this is not an offroader.
More like a fair weather 4X4.
Its a school pickup car for the rich husband wives in sydney
lets be real hardly fking any of these will make it off road anyway.
At least with Toyota they will improve, unlike holden or ford for example that had the same problems from inception till death
If you hadn't noticed they're not improving. It's a gradual decline.
@@FergHyde - and probably a reason why somebody like me will not buy one....
Saw one the other day and found the engine computer mounted in the front left hand side of the engine bay has not got the connectors sealed with rubber grommets. The middle connector in the module has exposed wires allowing water to drip down into the computer module. Yes you heard it hear first. Go have a look and you’ll see
@@buzz9972 my goodness. Going to be so many problems.
Aftermarket ECU's are invariably placed inside the cabin specifically to avoid heat and moisture. That's what Haltech et al advise.
It's every Toyota buyer's fault. They pay more money than other Japanese brands for the same plastic and decade old engine. It's a cult.
the old motors are fantastic. the problem is every new motor they produce at the moment is rubbish for some reason
This needs a better explanation from Toyota. Water in the engine air intake affecting the 48V system dosen't make sense IMO. Maybe it's some other air intake system.
It’s the afterthought mild hydrid system. Just popped in somewhere. No wonder this 250 was 6 months late than forecast. Engineers had to come up with a solution. A solution that will prove to be a recall I bet.
I'm tipping they use intake air to cool the generator/alternator/starter thing. Because the airbox lets in dust and water, the generator gets wet and sh*ts itself. Very useful when travelling remote in Australia and you get a downpour, because, for example, travelling at walking pace from William Creek to Oodnadatta is exactly what anyone would want to do...........
When in remote Australia, if there is a downpour, stay put for a day or two. Saves grief.
@@farmhandbruce4860 Been there, done that. 3nights Coward springs, then 3 nights Mount Dare hotel, June 2022, good times
@@einfelder8262 should have gone for a fully sealed, liquid cooled alternator
More electronic more problems
I've always said this.
Given the huge Tundra issues in the US Toyota are failing at basic mechanics too
Except that Tesla can build a real EV that has no issues with water…
Sure. And it’s handy if you consider the series 2 Landrover as the pinnacle of motoring development. You do you.
@@69memnon69 I've never seen anyone blasts through water in a Tesi..
It's been a few years now since Toyota made tough, reliable 4WDs. Their advertising is such that folk still believe it though.
In your experience? What modern Toyota product have you bought recently?
1) I made no reference to 'my experience'. 2) None because of reliability issues.
they still make ok cars but they are the older designs. here in australia they do not sell many 300 series [new model]
everyone buys 70 and 80 series.
@@Nick210 stop pearl clutching
I didn't expect Toyota to admit a design flaw on their new model (even if there was one or two). Their reply is as much as expected, and that is to pass the blame on to the user. Though, having a "Land Cruiser" brand on the model (even if it's just the Prado), I would have expected better protection from that action.
Good luck trying to claim warranty if you're not an influencer. Toyota are doubling down on an inferior design of the 48V system that they built.
In America the GR Corolla are self combusting and catching fire 🔥 Toyota are blaming the clients.
@@rc70ys I’ve seen that on Ripleys believe it or not. Self combustion.
I find it hard to believe that they actually designed their hybrid vehicles when I see the level of incompetence Toyota has with this and their EV. The old guy that did the hybrids and the other guy that did airboxes have both retired and did not train anyone else at Toyota
@rc70ys as of 2024 over 6,000 GR Corolla’s have been sold in the USA and only 2 have been reported as “catching fire” … investigations into illegal modifications, or insurance have not been confirmed.
@rc70ys as of 2024 over 6,000 GR Corolla’s have been sold in the USA, only 2 have been reported as “just catching fire … investigations into illegal modifications or insurance fraud have not been confirmed.
Over many years Toyota has built a reputation for toughness and reliability in the Australian bush and outback - this hard won reputation is now at, what should be seen by Toyota as an unacceptable, risk. Sadly, as you demonstrate, the 250 can't follow a 150 out in the bush or on the bitumen (it would run out of fuel trying). And accidently getting into surprisingly deep muddy water can easily happen - although the water was NOT deep in your case. For example: first weekend out in my brand new, then unmodified, 150 (over 7 years ago) a seemingly shallow and short puddle, looking just like all the others in a run of about 8 or 9 (early spring in Julimar State forest WA), turned out so much deeper than the previous puddles. I had muddy water coming over the top of my brand new bonnet and up my windscreen! The engine bay was a muddy mess - including the underside of the plastic cover that surrounds the oil filler cap and under bonnet insulation. The 150 didn't miss a beat, pulled through and continued on. And has kept on ever since. I keep my engine bay very clean, but there are still traces of that mud - including stains on white insulation on the underside of that cover and on the under bonnet insulation - despite many a good clean. So deep muddy water can and does happen in the bush. Seems this 48v system is not fit for purpose. More failures will follow for sure. I love my 150!
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Simple.Don't buy one!
@@sheldonlea Not until this issue is fixed, as I'm sure it will be. And in any case, as has been demonstrated in recent years, best to wait two or three years to see how they go. Also - worth considering the Lexus GX550 Overtrail as a viable alternative. The 300 is an option too, but currently monitoring that one - hot vee, small sump, small tank (so need to upgrade capacity) and thin main bearings.. And also very (to much) techy..
Toyota lost their Land Cruiser engineering mojo - sad
they couldnt design the back space, so how could the design decent motors and so on !
Ford engineers moved there
ford engineers are moving towards there but are still currently shit at the actual execution with all the issues they have had.
people mostly but the old ones here in oz, but even the motor choices now are just bizarre
Great response....... by you.............. total BS by Toyota. It reminds me of their initial denial of the DPF issues I faced with the 2018 150, it was my fault etc, well we all know how that ended for Toyota I'll evently get a compensation cheque for that mistake. Even now their "fix" was NOT an engineering solution but instead a software bypass. The DPF sensor was clogging due to poor design, and this meant the DPF clogged up, Toyotas solution bypass the sensor and program a DPF burn default ever 300km irrespective of if it needed it or not. These burns typically take 30km and burn extra diesel in the process thereby reducing the range from about 1300km to a shade under 1,000 (so maybe it is time to go after Toyota for false fuel economy claims as well) . Then there is the dusting issue you identified - how many Ks has that knocked off the service life of the motor, then the timing chain stretch issues..... surely it isn't all the owners/driver’s fault. Toyota have had 15 years to get the 250 right to me it is starting to look like the 250 stands for the number of inherent faults caused by poor engineering.
Its a shitbox lets be honest😂
Just like all Toyotas
@@edjohn4590 wrong
Sounds like you have never had a landcruiser mate
@Jyden_Carmody what a 250 that can't go through water?
Sorry mate I agree with you the 250 is a shitbox but I was talking about old mate who said that all Toyotas are shitboxes. hes obviously never owned one
Good on you confirming it’s a lemon 🍋 now I can feel the reviews from you are not sponsored
Water via the intake air causes the 48 v system to shut down😂 as a mechanic I’d like to see that system explained🤨🐂💩
Yeah how the f does that work, what parts of the 48v is downstream of the intake tract?
Is the 48V cooling some how integrated into the air intake? I am also wondering why if this is so why did it not hydro lock the engine?
See Steve211 answer about 10 comments above. He seems to know a lot about it???
Shouldn't really matter. Water inside the intake at all usually doesn't do great things.
I think water got into the 48V system and has nothing to do with the intake. Clearly it's not watertight.
, So what happens if your doing 80ks on the highway and hit a puddle bigger than that which has happened to me many times
You stop, and have to pay for the repair because it was your fault. Oh what a feeling :)
That’s what he said.
same with any diesel car that gets a teaspoon of water in it.
It’s only 60K in china… Aussies government is ripping you off
Nothing. Unless the puddle a foot deep. In which case you will run the chance of doing that to any unmodified car. Or hydroplaning yourself to meet your maker. Seriously, does this stuff need explaining?
Your water crossing is not unusual & anyone travelling outback who’ll do this essentially if towing & you don’t want to get bogged. Toyota is overpriced garbage.
@@peterburdett8131 I loved Toyota. I love my 2008 Prado. This is all just so disappointing. In Australia Toyota are taking us for mugs with too much money.
@Murrayhewitt1967 because mugs with too much money are allowing it
Yeah, nah. They work perfectly for AU conditions.
All you have to do is slow to walking pace anytime you encounter water.
Same as EV's, you just have to top up the battery at every opportunity.
Driving on a very wet day, on a very wet road would yield similar results as the water crossing. Let’s see what winter brings..
*your water crossing is not unusual WITH modifications like breathers and a snorkel. There, fixed it for you. Anybody hitting the wet stuff hard without a snorkel is not bright.
People still think the Toyota warranty means anything!!! In my experience the warranty is void the moment you drive out the yard! I had Toyota service reps "formally" telling me that the paint warranty is void if you put a sticker on the car (head some V8 decals). Of course they refused to put it in writing despite me asking for the same. The refused to check a clutch shudder because it had a bull bar fitted. I challenged the "tech" as Toyota also puts bull bars on the cars. Don't get me wrong, I still own another Toyota but would rather have wisdom tooth removal than ask them for any repairs or warranty claims. I have had a number of fall outs with Toyota as they even tried to double charge me for works that was already quoted. Also had issues with the "accessories team" - they did not fit all the fixings and even lost some. Took the car back the next day (after collection) and then they wanted the car for a WEEK to investigate missing screws!?!?!? We also have a RAV 4 and still having trouble with Toyota addressing "missing cabin lights". Sounds bizarre I know but they do not know if it is a std spec issue or not. The best part was they wanted me to bring the car back for a diagnostic driver to take the car for a spin - TO CHECK MISSING SWITCH LIGHTS. Their "sales service" is EXCELLENT but their after sales service is absolutely appalling.
I love that you exposed that flaw in the Prado👍🏿👍🏿
Toyota reached peak reliability from 1990 to around 2010 down hill ever since. The late model ones are far too electronic and who wants Addblue or no boot space or fake hybrids.
...very true that. A 'mild hybrid' is not a real hybrid compared to a Camry or Corolla
I love seeing a motoring journalist who is not bought and sold by the car manufacturers. I think modern 4WD’s don’t like being driven through water fast in general but it shouldn’t kill it, maybe a few lights for a while.
Yea, I was hanging out in anticipation for this Prado but how disappointing. No way in the world would I feel comfortable taking this car in the middle of nowhere thinking it may not bring me home safely
Prado 250 needs to be stripped of its LandCruiser status.
Nah
It's badge tells you it's a LADIES CAR PRADO.
@brentonl2631 Nah, not a ladies car. it says Land Cruiser Prado, im guessing you're Australian you guys opinion doesn't matter
@@noctilucent7396you seppos get the shit version of every Toyota. The prados not a real land cruiser.
@ Australia isnt a real country and the 250 is better than the 200 in every way.
Best Prados are the 120s and 150s. Never a problem playing in bonnet deep water.
I heard the 150s like to have the occasional melt down.. piston melt down.
Did you have a snorkel by any chance?
My Dad has a 150 series it’s done 1 & 1/2 laps round Australia towing a large Caravan has never missed a beat awesome car , runs a K&N air filter & regular servicing that’s it !!! 😁👍
Sometimes it is actually necessary to go quickly through a water hole in order to have enough kinetic energy to make it through. Imagine if the bottom was soft silt that day and you'd gotten it stuck.
Also, how can "we R&D our cars in extreme Aussie conditions" and "don't drive so quickly into the big puddle" make a rational argument?
Buy. A. Snorkel.
Don't go over 85mph, don't look for our tracker/datalogger, don't drive through water. Got it. Don't buy a new Toyota seems the easiest choice.
So the 48V generator/starter/whatever is cooled using air from the inlet after the air cleaner. The air cleaner is like all current Toyota air cleaners, which is not sealed against dust and therefore not sealed against water either. Brilliant design? No, imagine getting caught in the outback halfway up the Oonadatta or Simpson crossing and you absolutely need to go faster than walking pace through wet roads or salt pans. The Toyota will stop, and it will be your fault!!!!!! Clearly Toyota's "extensive" outback testing was all in dry weather. Fortunately, the buyer can choose to buy another brand. Only those who swallow the "Unbreakable Toyota" mantra will be forced to eat humble pie when their sh*tbox stops in any puddle of water.
When I was 18 I used to drive my old 1982 Gemini through "puddles" like that when Wyong kept flooding and never had an issue. Now I'm 56 and live in the glorious NSW Hunter Valley, which is currently under flood alert I am so glad I have a 2019 Nissan Y62 Patrol that can drive through flooded culverts and not have an issue. I must say I do love my 1989 FJ75 Troopcarrier with its Holden 5.7 litre V8 that is also capable of driving through the culverts without difficulty. Oh what a feeling!!!
Try driving this through an FNQ wet season.
Not to mention ugly as sin 😂
Or a top end tropical down pour. Now I know why all these new 4wd were parked up on the side of the road during a down pour last week. But the old ba just pushed on through all the water and kept going.
@ barra’s love a drink of cold water
If that puddle was the cause of the failure, Toyota have a serious issue to deal with. That is an unacceptable failure in really minimal wet conditions. It really does make one wonder how it would cope with a rainstorm on a paved highway with all the rain and spray that would involve. Also there is no way that water going through the engine air filter would transfer into an externally mounted starter/generator such as its mild hybrid system. The amount of water seen in the video should, as with all other vehicles you have put through there, have been shrugged off by the vehicle as being mildly damp with no malfunctions resulting.
You understand that speed plays a factor, yes? If you hit a foot of mud in a 100 series landcruiser without a snorkel doing enough kph to throw it over your roof, you will kill it. It's a dice roll at the very least. One which carsales lost.
@@Saphire0437 Over 20 years I have had water splash over my 100 Series Land Cruiser dozens of times with no ill effects. This isn’t about deep wading at inappropriate speed either, so there must be a design fault of its new and novel alternator thing that makes it a mild hybrid. You would never kill a 100 series or a HiLux under the same conditions I can assure you.
Oh what a feeling, Water.
Mates been a Toyota mechanic for just over 30 years now in Sydney, he said they've had heaps of these back under warranty with 48v issues, cars are just too complicated these days
There was more water on Sydney's M5 freeway today then that puddle. Heaven help any Prado owners trying to get home.
If Toyota considers that to be a water crossing requiring you to travel at walking pace, then the vehicle is not fit for purpose. We have had weather events in past few months that have left more water on main roads of Melbourne. If the vehicle requires that I slow down to 5 km/hr for every puddle, it is just badly designed and should not have got of the drawing board. They claim they tested it in the Australian outback, they must have done it during the dry season. I have seen deeper puddles on main highways.
The water cannot have gone via the air intake - that would have drowned the engine. I am guessing but I believe the 48V system would have been blasted from below. Any which way, obviously not a good design.
Water in alternators has been a feature of Toyotas for long time - 80 series, 200 series, add the rest?
@@einfelder8262ah but everyone here is trying to tell me you can drive all othe landcruisers through water over the bonnet!
I've driven through plenty of mud bogs in the same manner in my "unreliable" Touareg and never had any issues. I don't think Toyota's response is entirely reasonable here.
People need to stop calling these things a Land Cruiser…..they are a bucket of absolute shit.
Toyota’s idea of exhaustive testing is obviously different to mine!
Don’t have any car brand loyalty, but jeez I see a lot of car influencers having trouble with Toyotas, surprising to always hear the reliability claim? 4wd community seem to be dinosaurs
Mate the old Toyotas were the bees knees, now like all new vehicles they have gone to shit
Disappointed, but not surprised about that response from Toyota Australia. They are doubling down on that problematic 48V mild-hybrid.
Toyota has lost all credibility. They are no longer the pinnacle of reliability.
The 300 series is an absolute mess
The new prado is simply only adding salt to an already gaping wound.
BMW are making a more reliable unit than Toyota.
Sounds crazy but the Data doesnt lie, not too mention the fact the Toyota Supra is a BMW with a body kit.
Tells you everything you need to know.
Toyota is broke and are cutting costs via the way of Shortcuts and poor Quality Control.
It seems that a Tesla can wade through deeper water than a new Prado 😂
and the 70 series lost their v8.
Lol. A well-known 4x4 cannot be used as a 4x4. A sports car (GR86) cannot be used as a sports car. WELL DONE TOYOTA🎉
All corporations end up this way eventually. Never ending growth means that you need to minimise costs and maximise profits and cut corners to achieve profitability.
Fair assessment mate, ive seen bigger splashes on suburban roads during rain storms, that little puddle whilst looking dramatic was not a great volume or depth of water in the scheme of things.
Do better Toyota.
Shallow water can splash high when you hit it at 80kph. Deeper water can splash just as high when hit at 30kph. It's not really right to suggest that driving through puddles on a road is the same as hitting half a foot of muddy hole like an idiot without even a snorkel.
If it can't handle this small water crossing how many of these 250's will meet their demise at places such as Nolans?
It'd never get to Nolan's to start with.
My dream this year, to head to the Cape, park at Nolan’s for 3 weeks and enjoy the show😊😊
Lift it and do the bare minimum for water crossing preparation. Like...I dunno...an effing snorkel.
I note that you took both GWM Tank 300 and Tank 500 through same puddle with no problems, both also hybrids.
Instead of laying blame Toyota should engineer a solution. But that’s not the Toyota way. Problem? Call the PR team, be it engine flaws or emissions standards.
I also note that when the aforementioned GWM had issues with brakes and acceleration, they fixed it.
This is why the future is Chinese, not Japan, sadly.
Toyota's arrogance is going to bite them.
I work for Toyota dealer in Melbourne, products training for toyota cars is almost non existence!!!!
As a HUGE Toyota and Land Cruiser fan, I am so disappointed in Toyota. This isn’t good enough
Yeah same here mate
The great argument whether the prado is a real land cruiser or not has been answered. Soccer mums car
Some bad news. It's built on the same platform as the 300. Toyota differentiate mildly between them, mostly under the bonnet.
To be fair, no manufacturer, of anything, is covering water damage. It’s the ultimate excuse to weasel their way out of paying up.
Makes the Toyota Tax look even more ridiculous these days. I own a 200 Series but it will be my last Toyota I will ever buy. Dealing with Toyota is a struggle for anything. I went through water, killed the AMP (it's under the seat). I wanted to get it replaced by them (at my expense, I acknowledged it was my fault) they asked me if I could go somewhere else.
They had so much time ( aprox15yr) to develop a new / good vehicle and they couldnt make it.
-No KDSS ( bad)
-poor clearence , if you put the same size tires as on LC150, then the clearance is worse
-wading depth , questionable
-same frame as LC300 but less weight, it means "savings"
-small fuel tank
-baggage department for 7 seater is a joke
-plastic dooor steps, no/poor underneath protection
Time will tell what more. Trully, when new LC300 & Tundra came , I saw that they did a bad job-
They drive the same way in their marketing material, so is it false advertising? Ive thatshed my 150 through puddles no issues at all. 250 must be weak.
Everyone needs to boycott Toyota. Sales will go to 💩
This is like saying if you drive your GR Corolla over 100KM the warranty is not covered. If you drive your gr 86 around the track and get oil starvation it’s not covered by warranty.
If Toyota loses its reputation for reliability and minimal care in operation, competitors will easily surpass it.
Surely they tested it in Aust ?
They are indeed.
Prado is off my list for new car consideration in the near future.
....yep, I'll second that from this end as well
Someone in TH-cam must do many test against any of Toyota advertising to prove how lame their excuses and to stop Toyota false advertising.
Lol. Designed a 4x4 that can't take a water crossing... What a joke.
Having to drive through at walking pace would render many water crossings impassable. The offending water hazard was extremely mild, but something like a steep exit from a creek would require a speed of at least 10 km/h, probably much more, to have enough momentum for the exit to be successful. So driving to Toyota's specifications would really impair the usability of the Prado. But I guess that's how you make a vehicle seem broadly capable while abdicating any responsibility for its limitations or repair costs.
I don't know if cars have enough pre-production testing as they used to ? Chinese model update cycles are expected every 2 years. From BYD Shark utes that can't get up hills and Toyota 4WDS that can't cope with outback dust ..... What next ?
except shark was not designed as an outback off-roader (all chinese knows that), you get a Tank for that purpose
It's probably a design flaw... Toyota needs to remedy this...
Also, people need to understand that you pay much more upfront for the 48V, and the fuel savings over several years are minimal to recoup that initial investment.
Definitely ought to be more water proof. Even in a Sequoia I had a couple of years back: taken by surprise by a less-than shallow highway puddle, flooded the entire hood and windscreen with water - no problem. The good news: saves me some money, will keep my old Prado then ;)
Guess I’ll hold onto my Hilux a little bit longer now… I was gonna trade it in but this video really put me off lol
It’s supposed to be a 4WD Toyota ffs!
I was interested in a new Prado, but after seeing all this - here’s my official statement.
Toyota- I’ll be saving my money and buying a Pajero sport”.
And I was being super polite there Toy-yoda!
How reliable would it be if you were doing the Canning stock Route.
It will be fine, there is no water to drive through on the Canning😂
I do think you drove too fast to be fair, water's not compressible (the basis of hydraulics) so it can pack a punch and I can still remember the belly whacks at the local pool.
I have had 4 new Prados and a 200 series. Shame I won’t buy the 250 prado I was keen. And a 80 series❤
They will fix the issues soon mate. They always do. Toyota is Toyota.
Alternative you can buy a Tank 300.and post us a picture in couple of months with the handle (literally) in your hand.
@ wouldn’t buy a tank. No interest. But the boot is too small in a prado, 200 series too thirsty for city driving now days. I am thinking BYD SHARK, but don’t want a dual cab, had a BT50 once for 12 months, not practical for my situation. I love my Toyotas. Haven’t given up on them, I will just keep an older prado for a while,
Left out my 80 series and I have a hybrid in London RX400h, the best car, all over Europe in it. 2006, 200k miles.
@@aussieadvrider What ADV do you ride?
@ DRZ400, Tenere700, CFMOTO450MT
Thanks very much for the entertaining straight talking in the response. It’s not what I have come to expect with motor journalism so I am very grateful. Maybe I should subscribe if this is the standard of work with carsales!
They never mentioned the turbo failure while on road either. Multiple cases already in for warranty repairs.
As an outside observer to 4wding culture it seems ToyBoata is of the opinion that someone who buys an eye wateringly priced land cruiser will be an experienced 4 W dinger, and will drive carefully if for no other reason than to protect their investment. The reality may likely be that someone with no knowledge or experience of 4w dinging, buys one and then thinks they can drive however they see best. Why not, the car costs….(dunno), but it’ll take care of the rest. Time for ToyBoata to design their cars to be idiot resistant.
These new "4x4" are no way near as good as older older generations that my patrol was fully submerged in water up to the steering wheel granted it did need a good clean out and service after all that but drove me home and drove me around the bush for the next 3 days these new generation once ain't worth what they say not even close
You will be amazed how many cars are wrecked by customers. So this story has 2 sides. And driving at high speed through deep water is a no go.
Yeah, maybe you're right.
blame the costumer lol
Ohh what a feeling !
Must be to watch your brand new $100k Prado fried.
A big step forward over previous Prados isn’t a very high bar to clear.
Then there’s the designed by Lego looks…
Let's be fair most of these are just shopping carts that will never be off road.
Yeah that is on you mate, driving through any body of water at speed is only ever good for camera shots. All manufacturers advise against it and for good reason.
Ronny dahl has bought one, so if anyone is going to test a vehicle in the bush its him. Will be watching hes channel with interest.
100% I watch him also.
Ronny is awesome !!
He is a toyota shill though
While I like Ronny and his channel, he is a diehard Toyota man. Also he is a TH-camr with a lot of clout, so Toyota will look after him. None of which is his fault, just the way it is.
@@unpluggedkiwi1063 so your saying he's going to manipulate the truth and lie... yeah good one.
This is bloody ridiculous. The much higher voltage drive units, connections and batteries in most BEVs are completely sealed and get exposed to water for years without issues. There are numerous examples of (pretty silly to be honest) Tesla owners driving through flood waters and even floating and they come out none the worse for it.
Toyota has made a dud, pure and simple.
I would have thought a raised air intake would be a simple fix for this issue?
The new Toyota Prado just made the old model worth a lot more!
What a shocker that Toyota blame it on the driver. Regardless, being a "Land Cruiser" model, it should have better protection for that sort of use. This is the off-road focused Altitude variant after all. It should be Land Cruiser tough and Land Cruiser durable. Instead it's more like a tougher looking soccer mum transport.
If Toyota starts building the Prado more for the urban driver, they should just drop the Land Cruiser from the name.
If the soccer is sporting Tats, I think it could still be a bit soft for the task.
It seems to me over the last couple of years Toyota vehicles are not being built to the tough, bullet proof standard they used to. I will say I'm not the biggest fan of Landcruisers or Prados but that is because I feel their price tag is too high for the vehicle you get especially with vehicles like the 79 series but I do admit they are known to be a bullet proof rig and in the last 12/24 months it seems that is slipping. My Pajero would hit mud like that time & time again with no major issues even before I put a snorkel on. For that puddle to kill the car shows a major problem, I know shopping centres with deeper water in thr carpark.
Extreme testing conditions... Bet they only used de-mineralised water on their test tracks. Imagine the damage driving this thing on a damp beach?
Yep BYO tow truck for beach work, Eli Creek crossings at Fraser, under body washes or just driving in heavy rain. Seriously, it's pathetic.
I don't want to hear the words 'toyota and unbreakable' in the same sentence ever again.
just before Christmas, I went to check one out and trade my Kakadu in 2011 model when I saw no boot. Space plus a battery system smaller fuel tank I decided not to
I will just look for a 200 series, V8 Sahara
Yeah good choice mate 👍
It's a Prado for the IPhone16 user not for the 4WD enthusiast.
Was eager to buy one, but now I won't. I will keep my Fortuner, 100k on the clock and not a single issue.
Exact same situation. I own a Fortuner and will stick with it for a few more years now.
@retepd1e me too. Not a bad unit the Fortuner. Where it shines is off road and outback touring.
Old cars dont have these problems
I think you have been reasonable with your response, but my question is has there been others with the same issue or was this just an isolated incident? I have seen a few reviews with water crossing and no problems? I guess time will tell!
After seeing this , i have to think twice of buying a Lexus gx550 !!!
Lexus has a petrol engine and no hybrid. Lexus is a far better choice.
@aedmacphaidin7034 its concerning given both using the same platform, I may look for something else now.
@@aedmacphaidin7034And the pricing is pretty good too. I’m booked in for a test drive next week.