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Yes, no doubt! I worked stunts in Starship Troopers (IMDb me) and there was tons of new technologies I see is used in soooo many movies currently 2023. I can’t wait to get my own!⛎
Netflix isn't a broadcaster or even studio. They aren't in the business of creating ip beyond the first season. It doesn't make financial sense. They just want lots of different "stuff" to get people through the door. They will end up destroying the industry.
It's not a criticism, but if you'd seen Dark, you'd have had a *lot* more faith that this is going somewhere and kept watching. I agree that it was perhaps a little too odd in early episodes to really drag in the viewer. Dark was one of the best shows ever made, with huge plot complexity which all resolved itself truly beautifully by the end of the show. It was like a perfectly-designed puzzle box, where the mysteries had actual answers, rather than being retrofitted badly like Lost etc. These writers deserve more faith than this, and I hope someone else picks up the show.
I don't understand how Netflix or any producer cancels a show literally after it was released. The worst of it is when there's good shows with two or three seasons and they never have closure and personally I will never bother to watch any of them because I don't want to get invested into a dead end with no ending.
This amazing show got cancelled... I am starting to wonder if it is even worth it with Netflix anymore! Under their BS model, I think shows like Lost would have been cancelled after one season!
Lost was an absolute massive hit around the world in season 1. Just the ratings for the pilot alone were huge. Lost would have been fine. Maybe not the best example.
Personally thought this series was a visual masterpiece. Loved getting to get an inside look at the virtual production, logistically makes total sense and allowed the creative writing to avoid massive adjustments to the story. Would be fascinating to understand a bit more in regards to the VFX creation and expenses revolved around creating those real time worlds. Seems like there wasn't a single stage of the process that wasn't intense! Oh yeah, great video as always!
Yeah, I actually loved the look of the series. I know not everyone like how they did it, especially with the dreariness of it. They didn't go too much into the VFX creation of it but it does look super intensive. Appreciate you watching!
I don't mind the dreariness, and loved dark but this one looked kinda bad. All the boat deck shots felt so off. there was no atmosphere are really felt like a poorly disguised soundstage. I think production and ILM got high on their own supply and didn't check to see what it actually looked and felt like.
1899 basically starts off as Titanic, and ends as The Matrix. Cant wait for season 2. Had a feeling they were using LED wall virtual sets. We've come a long way from chromakey backdrops for sure.
Thanks this actually will prompt me to watch the show, despite the fact it was cancelled. I sadly predicted it wouldnt make it past S1, just had a feeling since Netflix is doing this all the time now, but I am intrigued by the techniques used so excited to see it come together.
Unreal Engine is ridiculously powerful and good looking. Scary good looking. I love that the whole volume digital set turns filmmaking backwards. Kind of a fun way to do it. Extremely powerful technology and looks totally convincing. The fact that you get completely real lighting and color bounce goes such a long way in selling the shot.
It's amazing technology that allows for things that would be incredibly hard to do otherwise. That said, it still has limits which you can notice and they sometimes slightly detract once you do notice them. There's something unreal about the look (no pun intended), which works pretty well for 1899's plot, but there's still progress to be made for this to match a truly real set. One of the biggest benefits is that the background's light and colour can hit the subjects in the shots which blends them into the scene so much more convincingly than green screen.
I wouldn't say Virtual set extension is 'experimental'. There are tons of completed and in production projects that are using the LED screen approach and seeing great success with it.
Maybe should have phrased it better? More so that what 1899 was doing with the set was experimental in nature. It's all new tech so I'm sure there is a lot of experimenting every time someone uses it to do more with it.
@@FrameVoyager fair point. I'd be interested to see how the solve the high temperature light problem. I wonder if they could rig up some sort of light attachment to pump up the wattage in a small area for scenes where the sun is involved. I'm sure power consumption does make things prohibitively expensive at a certain point.
I've seen people do product videos using a TV to simulate the background, providing lights or as a cool scifi surface. This tech is totally the future.
Don't shame Netflix, shame the consumers. It's the same for Disney+, Andor was amazing but the biggest viewership went to She Hulk and Obi Wan, which were far less ambitious. Millions watch Emily in Paris, not many cared for 1899. It's the age of diminishing attention span.
I first saw Vanish 8T screens and was stunned by what could be done with the new LED technology. The thing about filming with bright sunshine is it doesn't happen that often, I have only had a prolonged time with it on the Pacific coast. Normally where I live in Scotland we hardly ever get prolonged bouts of sunshine as it is always diffused, film makers say it is the ideal condition to film in, but anywhere else ultra bright, high contrast sunlight is not the norm. Look at film from LA compared to film from NY and you immediately see the difference as LA is crisp and Ny is diffused.
StageCraft is a trademarked term for ILM's LED volume and vcam virtual production services, I think, not virtual production or LED volumes in general...
Each actor speaking their own language isn't uncommon in Central European co-productions. But then they're dubbed to their target language. It's weird.
The insane thing is... Unreal Engine is completely free! Everybody can learn it and use it to create environments. Even when you use it for linear content like films and movies, you don't have to pay Epic anything. It's an amazing tool.
Virtual production isn't what most people think. It's a huge amount of work and more times than not there are tons of fixes on the back end. Due to not being able to do reshoots with limited budgets and time. I know this because I have been called several times to step in and fix a lot of these things and it becomes more costly than just shooting on green / blue screen. When 3nd up rooting everything and making new cg for the BGs and addressing executives notes. There's a place for virtual production but it's not some game changing thing yet.
is there some really bad audio processing going on? maybe noise reduction? or AI to hide the original music? definitely noticeable when wearing headphones
One of the things that on the ship deck there is no rocking in relation to the fast moving ocean where there should be tremendous movement. It's does not look natural at all.
During the whole series the stages always seemed artificial to me. I think that is due to the things far away never been really in focus and sharp. That made the whole watching experience kind of unpleasent to me.
Loved this show/season. Felt like a refined version of the show 30 seconds to Mars (some people hated that one, I f-ing loved it). Very cool themes, plato, prometheus etc. Love the showrunners. I just need more content from them 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Great productions from top to bottom - cast, story, sets, effects, soundtrack, that's a huge hit from the same team that made the smash hit Dark series. What does netflix do? Cancels it. I hope they move to a different producing company. This series deserves to continue.
I was so annoyed that Netflix cancelled it. The end of the first series set it up for the second series to completely different and opened huge possibilities for what could come. An incredibly stupid move by Netflix, especially when you see how many awful reality shows they recommission.
Wow, that's why the scenery was so impressive. Damn using a game engine for making film/series, next up is AI generated scenery. What a time to be alive
Going to do - soon - some green screen (using stop motion technique and a character "built" on an armature bought online from the UK) - just a hobby (but the lighting setup - which is important - set me back a "few bob"); 20 or so years ago that sort of thing would have been out of the reach of most amateurs - what's the betting that in 20 years' time virtual production - at least on a small scale - will become affordable for amateurs ?
I don't care about FX so much. Story, acting, editing, direction; all are way more important. But this stagecraft technique is revolutionary. Not the technology (a crude version was used In "2001" over half a century ago) but culturally. Story, acting, editing and direction are STILL more important...
Ok so, even when you do this, they end up wanting to change stuff afterwards, and ROTO ends up taking alot longer than green screen. Mando season 1 and an unearthly number of comp and roto artists to do background replacements. This is not the kind of thing that is 'set and forget'. It still has TONS of post work, arguably, even more post work than if it was greenscreen.
Metric wise it supposedly did well. Maybe production costs or just Netflix cost cutting in general? This was a series they greenlit before Covid. Hope someone else picks it up
Partly True! While they did something similar for Oblivion, it was ILM's stagecraft system that incorporates LED screens and software like the Unreal Engine. In Oblivion, however, they used a series of projectors to project footage they capture from RED Epic cameras to get that result. Similar idea but different as stagecraft also utilizes much more advanced tech that allows the screens to follow the cameras movement allowing for parallax effects.
I agree. That system was much simpler than the stagecraft. They didnt want to use blue screen for sky tower set because it was all glass and removing the blue reflection would have been a nightmare.
Stagecraft is the name encompassing the entire idea of the technology behind all of this. Basically it's what describes the entire process. The facilities they are shot in are called "volumes" and they use Epic Games Unreal Engine for Virtual Production. There are also other partners they use like Lux Machina and Nvidia. But Epic didn't create the whole thing, they are a piece of the tech involved in it. Stagecraft is also credited as being used in 1899.
@@albert93911 no problem! Honestly it's such new technology some of it's a little convoluted. For our videos I have 2 excellent researchers and writers who work on the scripts that are then passed along to me for final review and adjusting. So we all really try to get it right as much as we can!
@@FrameVoyager Not sure why you are deleting my comments but I would suggest clarifying your point that Stagecraft is a referecne to virtual production as a whole when that is not the case. You are right there are lots of convoluted information and doubling down on information that is just incorrect is not helping.
@@brentrambo2417 not sure why your comment was deleted. I don't delete comments. But stagecraft is a on-set virtual production system according to the research we've done and according to what ILM and other sources have defined it as. In your opinion am I phrasing it wrong or what exactly are you saying is incorrect in our statement?
It's a wonderful piece of tech but I don't agree with the notion that it solves the lighting fully. It lacks the ability to cast hard light and shadows so everything looks very soft.
I had a feeling this wouldn't make it past one season when I saw the trailer. It looked too expensive for the amount of viewers it would get. Ah well...most of the streamers are starting to tighten their budgets & cut shows.
I wouldn't call virtual production in Unreal Engine the future of filmmaking. It genuinely is the present. Almost all major studios worldwide have already implemented this technology, and the ones remaining are on their way to implement it. Streaming services now require virtual production to be a part of a studio in order for the studio to be taken into consideration for new projects.
Yes, which we mention they used Unreal Engine in the video. ILM created the whole system of stagecraft technology and Epic is a part of the software solution for that technology among others. **If we misspoke about Unreal Engine being from ILM that's our bad!**
I think this technology is a huge step forward in the world of storytelling, but Im not sure how I feel about it. Filmmaking has always been more of a lifelike creation than actual life and that's kinda what separates life from artistic film but Il feel like this is taking away from the authenticity of the craft. Yes you can make budgets of films cheaper and new worlds more accessible, but soon enough the process will become so technological that it becomes mundane and loses the touch with the natural world.
This series was pretty much 'Ascension', another well done mind bender, but played out in reverse; instead of being on the ground and ending up in space, it was on the ground but ended up actually being in space the entire time. Unfortunately, it looks like this concept is a dead-end if it is not followed through with. For this type of series to be successful, all parties involved must be committed to the drastic changes in tone and story for the second season(and perhaps beyond) once the final twist is revealed; a rather large commitment, and even larger gamble. An even larger gamble because if the first season is bad, the entire thing is trash; a scary proposition for investors.
It got canceled because nobody was watching it really. I work with unreal engine 5 and it’s a good engine, they did an amazing job as I can see. But when this show was offered to me on Netflix multiple times, I refused to click on it all those times, that’s why it got canceled as it wasn’t interesting, the tech is though!
Looking at Boba Fett in comparison to Andor, you see the limitations. Of course LED caves are versatile and can be a cheap solution. But relying solely on them takes away scope and forces you to over-produce. It might be better than Greenscreen-galore and someone like Hitchcock would have loved it, but after talking to colleagues who worked with this tech, I lost any interest.
Seem to be the only one who finds this technology - at least the implementation of it in 1899 - super fake looking. The Mandalorian pulled it off much better. But 1899 has a very greenscreen look, almost outlining the actors. Not sure what they were doing differently but took me right out of the show.
You're not the only one. You notice it more if you know about it. A lot of my friends and family who are not in the industry had no idea and thought they really shot it on the ocean. I think the one that I didn't immediately notice was the dining room scene. But the outside ocean shots you could sort of tell. I think the tech will come along, but they still have some things to fix
It's the lighting. Like in front of a greenscreen you need to light you subjects properly to blend them into the background. The technology is quite new and there wasn't much lighting knowledge in the industry about it at the time of filming 1899. Also keeping the backgrounds very shallow doesn't help here, probably because of a high pixel pitch. LED walls today can have a very small pitch so you can keep the backgrounds reasonably sharp.
I think it will be a technique of it, but I think there needs to be some development first. I see a lot more potential in full virtual environments then in volume tech
Dark was brilliant, had extreme attention to historical details in the sets and though it also was a somewhat fantasy series, it was true to its logic. 1899 is weird: Ghosts, Bermuda triangle, but the real problem is the mechanics of the world on the ship it seems inconsistent and defying logic. That is naturally explained in the conclusion, but while watching it, it just seems like a sloppy script.
Virtual sets produce wow effetct. But then you realise that ligting on actors is ugly. Virtual sets can make only overcatst lighting. Viever can see beautiful sunsets on background, and boring flat light on actors. All scenes looks dark.
What really took me out of the immersion was this language thing. You could select which dub to watch 1899 in: all original spoken dialogue in various languages or a dub of your choice in just one single language. The kicker is they could not decide in what direction to take the character interactions. The characters understood each other in the one-language dub and were unable to communicate with each other in the multi language version. The difference was just in the audio you selected, but the video stayed the same of course. This did not work at all. Baffling to me why they did not stick with one scenario or the other. When people can't talk to one another the story should play out radically differently from a cast that is able to communicate. It might have been best to just ignore the language problem completely (like in Star Trek) and just go with it. The whole scenario is surreal after all and everybody speaking one language would even make sense after the big reveal at the end.
Yes but StageCraft process in particular was created by ILM because of it. Virtual production of course has been around longer than that but we are talking about StageCraft in particular here
Why do people keep raving about how amazing this technology is?? It's absolute crap. At 04:35 the woman is leaning over the side a ship where the waters are choppy and stormy and not one hair on here head is blowing. One example of hundreds. The mandalorian series was tripe and unwatchable because they lazed out on shooting the way it should be done!
I loved Dark, but I found this show to be incredibly boring. I'm not surprised it was cancelled. It goes to show that big budgets and fancy equipment is only a piece of the puzzle. The story/script is what makes or breaks any show or movie.
Yeah, right : global ecosystem's falling appart but we'll still be able to watch beautiful CGI when they're won't last any beauty in the actual real world to be seen, hurrah !
I'm sorry to anyone who worked on the show or really enjoyed it but it looked CG and over all very uncanny. Right form the jump I thought, damn this is soaked in cg, greenscreen, and projection. I loved dark, but this one really didn't look good.
I watched the first 3 episodes and it was shaping up to be another idiotic 'Lost' type production. Now I hear it's cancelled. What a waste of time and resources.
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Yes, no doubt! I worked stunts in Starship Troopers (IMDb me) and there was tons of new technologies I see is used in soooo many movies currently 2023. I can’t wait to get my own!⛎
This is a video about marvels of videoproduction with desynced audio and incorrectly mixed framerates.
Where can we petition Amazon to buy 1899 season 2 from Netflix?
Shame that it's just been cancelled, it was a great show! Silly Netflix.
For real! You gotta imagine it gets picked up by another streamer. The show was just too good
@@FrameVoyager Incredible team behind it, power couple as well!
Netflix isn't a broadcaster or even studio. They aren't in the business of creating ip beyond the first season. It doesn't make financial sense.
They just want lots of different "stuff" to get people through the door. They will end up destroying the industry.
F em. That's it. I'm cancelling. They do this all the time. Still haven't forgiven them for O.A.
it was unwatchable imo
Damn it got cancelled... Such a shame, would have loved to see more of this in season 2
I know! So sad to see. Netflix is not doing itself any favors at this point
@@FrameVoyager They should stop wasting money on bad movies like Red Notice or the grey man.
It's not a criticism, but if you'd seen Dark, you'd have had a *lot* more faith that this is going somewhere and kept watching. I agree that it was perhaps a little too odd in early episodes to really drag in the viewer. Dark was one of the best shows ever made, with huge plot complexity which all resolved itself truly beautifully by the end of the show. It was like a perfectly-designed puzzle box, where the mysteries had actual answers, rather than being retrofitted badly like Lost etc. These writers deserve more faith than this, and I hope someone else picks up the show.
Same! Exactly my thoughts
if anything they used the show to further develop the virtual set tech and will move it to a better show.
I don't understand how Netflix or any producer cancels a show literally after it was released. The worst of it is when there's good shows with two or three seasons and they never have closure and personally I will never bother to watch any of them because I don't want to get invested into a dead end with no ending.
This amazing show got cancelled... I am starting to wonder if it is even worth it with Netflix anymore! Under their BS model, I think shows like Lost would have been cancelled after one season!
Found out minutes ago. They sunk the wrong ship. Devastated.
Lost was an absolute massive hit around the world in season 1. Just the ratings for the pilot alone were huge.
Lost would have been fine. Maybe not the best example.
Lost was a fluke that wasn't supposed to work. It was a pilot done with a movie budget and gained much more traction than the creators were expecting
After decades, ILM continues to the lead movie making. Respect.
Personally thought this series was a visual masterpiece. Loved getting to get an inside look at the virtual production, logistically makes total sense and allowed the creative writing to avoid massive adjustments to the story. Would be fascinating to understand a bit more in regards to the VFX creation and expenses revolved around creating those real time worlds. Seems like there wasn't a single stage of the process that wasn't intense!
Oh yeah, great video as always!
Yeah, I actually loved the look of the series. I know not everyone like how they did it, especially with the dreariness of it.
They didn't go too much into the VFX creation of it but it does look super intensive.
Appreciate you watching!
I don't mind the dreariness, and loved dark but this one looked kinda bad. All the boat deck shots felt so off. there was no atmosphere are really felt like a poorly disguised soundstage. I think production and ILM got high on their own supply and didn't check to see what it actually looked and felt like.
This is really crazy and amazing at the same time. Think of how much freedome and flexibility this tech gives creators. Amazing stuff.
1899 basically starts off as Titanic, and ends as The Matrix. Cant wait for season 2. Had a feeling they were using LED wall virtual sets. We've come a long way from chromakey backdrops for sure.
It's an interesting series for sure! I like the steampunk setting of the end of the 1800s too
You'll be waiting for a very long time.
I know 🥺🥺🥺
Recently canned by Netflix if rumors are true.
@@doomrider7 yep 🥺
Thanks this actually will prompt me to watch the show, despite the fact it was cancelled. I sadly predicted it wouldnt make it past S1, just had a feeling since Netflix is doing this all the time now, but I am intrigued by the techniques used so excited to see it come together.
Fascinating, it's incredible how fare we have come!
Right? The technology is just insane
Amazing video bro
Appreciate it!
@@FrameVoyager 😀
Unreal Engine is ridiculously powerful and good looking. Scary good looking. I love that the whole volume digital set turns filmmaking backwards. Kind of a fun way to do it. Extremely powerful technology and looks totally convincing. The fact that you get completely real lighting and color bounce goes such a long way in selling the shot.
It's amazing technology that allows for things that would be incredibly hard to do otherwise. That said, it still has limits which you can notice and they sometimes slightly detract once you do notice them. There's something unreal about the look (no pun intended), which works pretty well for 1899's plot, but there's still progress to be made for this to match a truly real set. One of the biggest benefits is that the background's light and colour can hit the subjects in the shots which blends them into the scene so much more convincingly than green screen.
Flippin' heck - mind meltingly complex!
Right>?
I wouldn't say Virtual set extension is 'experimental'. There are tons of completed and in production projects that are using the LED screen approach and seeing great success with it.
Maybe should have phrased it better? More so that what 1899 was doing with the set was experimental in nature. It's all new tech so I'm sure there is a lot of experimenting every time someone uses it to do more with it.
@@FrameVoyager fair point. I'd be interested to see how the solve the high temperature light problem. I wonder if they could rig up some sort of light attachment to pump up the wattage in a small area for scenes where the sun is involved. I'm sure power consumption does make things prohibitively expensive at a certain point.
@@nmbr1ctrman same! It will be interesting to see how far they can push this technology.
@@FrameVoyager Jon Favreau really started this technique with Mandalorian. He deserves the credit.
I've seen people do product videos using a TV to simulate the background, providing lights or as a cool scifi surface. This tech is totally the future.
During the down season last year at my AV company, we used a TV as a green screen just to mess around 😆
Shame on #Netflix for cancelling this show and having three season of Emily in Paris... WTF
It's sad... I feel like someone else might pick this up
Because hatewatching Emily or 365 is way more profitable than actual shows that have substance
Don't shame Netflix, shame the consumers. It's the same for Disney+, Andor was amazing but the biggest viewership went to She Hulk and Obi Wan, which were far less ambitious.
Millions watch Emily in Paris, not many cared for 1899. It's the age of diminishing attention span.
I first saw Vanish 8T screens and was stunned by what could be done with the new LED technology.
The thing about filming with bright sunshine is it doesn't happen that often, I have only had a prolonged time with it on the Pacific coast. Normally where I live in Scotland we hardly ever get prolonged bouts of sunshine as it is always diffused, film makers say it is the ideal condition to film in, but anywhere else ultra bright, high contrast sunlight is not the norm. Look at film from LA compared to film from NY and you immediately see the difference as LA is crisp and Ny is diffused.
fantastic video - thanks!
Appreciate it!
StageCraft is a trademarked term for ILM's LED volume and vcam virtual production services, I think, not virtual production or LED volumes in general...
Each actor speaking their own language isn't uncommon in Central European co-productions. But then they're dubbed to their target language. It's weird.
True! But I think it's interesting how they used that specifically to play into the actual story. It was a big part of the series
The insane thing is... Unreal Engine is completely free! Everybody can learn it and use it to create environments. Even when you use it for linear content like films and movies, you don't have to pay Epic anything. It's an amazing tool.
The interesting thing is that you could rent or sell the digital assets and studio/light presets to other productions.
You guys changed the length of this video, hope you're not in trouble with Netflix.
Nope! Just Netflix cleaning house on content they don't want to promote a dead series now lol
Fire 🔥
Virtual production isn't what most people think. It's a huge amount of work and more times than not there are tons of fixes on the back end. Due to not being able to do reshoots with limited budgets and time. I know this because I have been called several times to step in and fix a lot of these things and it becomes more costly than just shooting on green / blue screen. When 3nd up rooting everything and making new cg for the BGs and addressing executives notes. There's a place for virtual production but it's not some game changing thing yet.
ACTUALLY- It started with STANLEY KUBRICK and his front screen projection system on 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY
is there some really bad audio processing going on? maybe noise reduction? or AI to hide the original music? definitely noticeable when wearing headphones
Yeah with some of these interviews I removed copyrighted music 😅
what song plays from 6:22-6:45?
I loved it! May it Rest In Peace...
Anyone else wants to cry while watching this?
One of the things that on the ship deck there is no rocking in relation to the fast moving ocean where there should be tremendous movement. It's does not look natural at all.
Dark was great. I'm only learning about the 1899 show now.
if just the script was on the same level as visual.
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During the whole series the stages always seemed artificial to me. I think that is due to the things far away never been really in focus and sharp.
That made the whole watching experience kind of unpleasent to me.
I'm extremely sensitive to bad CGI and I never noticed this sound stage too much, it is not objectively worse.
Loved this show/season. Felt like a refined version of the show 30 seconds to Mars (some people hated that one, I f-ing loved it). Very cool themes, plato, prometheus etc. Love the showrunners. I just need more content from them 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Great productions from top to bottom - cast, story, sets, effects, soundtrack, that's a huge hit from the same team that made the smash hit Dark series.
What does netflix do? Cancels it.
I hope they move to a different producing company. This series deserves to continue.
For harsh sunlight scenes just turn on Ray Tracing 😁
I was so annoyed that Netflix cancelled it. The end of the first series set it up for the second series to completely different and opened huge possibilities for what could come. An incredibly stupid move by Netflix, especially when you see how many awful reality shows they recommission.
check out Studio Babelsberg with „Volucap“ and „Halostage“ in the German city of Potsdam.
Wow, that's why the scenery was so impressive. Damn using a game engine for making film/series, next up is AI generated scenery. What a time to be alive
Going to do - soon - some green screen (using stop motion technique and a character "built" on an armature bought online from the UK) - just a hobby (but the lighting setup - which is important - set me back a "few bob"); 20 or so years ago that sort of thing would have been out of the reach of most amateurs - what's the betting that in 20 years' time virtual production - at least on a small scale - will become affordable for amateurs ?
It's such a shame that this series was cancelled 😢
First thought: Wow they had greenscreens in 1899?
Second thought: Oh.
😂😂😂😂
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Lucas would be proud
Netflix gave us a hope to have a show as great as Dark but than just cancelled it. Hope someday we will see the end of this story
Amazing! Largest stage in Europe like Dark Matters, is there any connection from them ?
You are doing God's work my man.
God got petty again and cancelled it. God sux lol
I was looking forward to season 2 :(
I don't care about FX so much. Story, acting, editing, direction; all are way more important. But this stagecraft technique is revolutionary. Not the technology (a crude version was used In "2001" over half a century ago) but culturally. Story, acting, editing and direction are STILL more important...
Ok so, even when you do this, they end up wanting to change stuff afterwards, and ROTO ends up taking alot longer than green screen. Mando season 1 and an unearthly number of comp and roto artists to do background replacements. This is not the kind of thing that is 'set and forget'. It still has TONS of post work, arguably, even more post work than if it was greenscreen.
9:34 Is that Bull Burr or just a look-a-like?
An updated version of rear projection
Hit series that got canceled after just 1 season! 🙄
Metric wise it supposedly did well. Maybe production costs or just Netflix cost cutting in general? This was a series they greenlit before Covid. Hope someone else picks it up
wow! I was impressed with visuals in 1899. Really look forward to season 2.
I wouldn't. 😬
Before Mando, it was used in Tom Cruise's Oblivion.
Partly True! While they did something similar for Oblivion, it was ILM's stagecraft system that incorporates LED screens and software like the Unreal Engine. In Oblivion, however, they used a series of projectors to project footage they capture from RED Epic cameras to get that result. Similar idea but different as stagecraft also utilizes much more advanced tech that allows the screens to follow the cameras movement allowing for parallax effects.
I agree. That system was much simpler than the stagecraft. They didnt want to use blue screen for sky tower set because it was all glass and removing the blue reflection would have been a nightmare.
@@chandrakant1479 Especially with all of the glass... That would have been awful haha
Yeah they rang Greig Fraser and asked a tonne of Q’s, who perfected this TECH on The Mandalorian. Netflix just said - GET ON WITH IT or DON’T!
So weird to hear it called "stagecraft" or "volume technology" when its the actual name is "Virtual Production" by Epic.
Stagecraft is the name encompassing the entire idea of the technology behind all of this. Basically it's what describes the entire process. The facilities they are shot in are called "volumes" and they use Epic Games Unreal Engine for Virtual Production. There are also other partners they use like Lux Machina and Nvidia. But Epic didn't create the whole thing, they are a piece of the tech involved in it. Stagecraft is also credited as being used in 1899.
@@FrameVoyager TIL! Thank you for the precisions and helping me expand my knowledge.
@@albert93911 no problem! Honestly it's such new technology some of it's a little convoluted. For our videos I have 2 excellent researchers and writers who work on the scripts that are then passed along to me for final review and adjusting. So we all really try to get it right as much as we can!
@@FrameVoyager Not sure why you are deleting my comments but I would suggest clarifying your point that Stagecraft is a referecne to virtual production as a whole when that is not the case. You are right there are lots of convoluted information and doubling down on information that is just incorrect is not helping.
@@brentrambo2417 not sure why your comment was deleted. I don't delete comments. But stagecraft is a on-set virtual production system according to the research we've done and according to what ILM and other sources have defined it as. In your opinion am I phrasing it wrong or what exactly are you saying is incorrect in our statement?
Watched this then had to watch Dark ofc, cos I was unaware cos so much stuff, never mind international stuff. Anyways, boss show. Highly recommend.
anddddd its cancelled
Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know Terminator 2 was already using a form of stage crafting in like 1990 already.
While using similar technology, this was not ILM’s stage craft.
Right! We kind of phrased that part of it wrong.
It's a wonderful piece of tech but I don't agree with the notion that it solves the lighting fully. It lacks the ability to cast hard light and shadows so everything looks very soft.
It's called photogrammetry, not photogamety
Of course! Just misspoke here. Sorry about that
Funny that Unreal filmmaking all ends up inheriting that Unreal engine murky look
I had a feeling this wouldn't make it past one season when I saw the trailer. It looked too expensive for the amount of viewers it would get. Ah well...most of the streamers are starting to tighten their budgets & cut shows.
I wouldn't call virtual production in Unreal Engine the future of filmmaking. It genuinely is the present. Almost all major studios worldwide have already implemented this technology, and the ones remaining are on their way to implement it. Streaming services now require virtual production to be a part of a studio in order for the studio to be taken into consideration for new projects.
Actually they used Unreal Engine from Epic, not an product of ILM.
Yes, which we mention they used Unreal Engine in the video. ILM created the whole system of stagecraft technology and Epic is a part of the software solution for that technology among others. **If we misspoke about Unreal Engine being from ILM that's our bad!**
Amazing visuals, but holy cow was the story a mess. Such a cool concept, utterly squandered by the writing in the second half of the season
I think this technology is a huge step forward in the world of storytelling, but Im not sure how I feel about it. Filmmaking has always been more of a lifelike creation than actual life and that's kinda what separates life from artistic film but Il feel like this is taking away from the authenticity of the craft. Yes you can make budgets of films cheaper and new worlds more accessible, but soon enough the process will become so technological that it becomes mundane and loses the touch with the natural world.
Netflix is quickly becoming a place where great shows get cancelled.
Thanks to Unreal Engine
This series was pretty much 'Ascension', another well done mind bender, but played out in reverse; instead of being on the ground and ending up in space, it was on the ground but ended up actually being in space the entire time. Unfortunately, it looks like this concept is a dead-end if it is not followed through with. For this type of series to be successful, all parties involved must be committed to the drastic changes in tone and story for the second season(and perhaps beyond) once the final twist is revealed; a rather large commitment, and even larger gamble. An even larger gamble because if the first season is bad, the entire thing is trash; a scary proposition for investors.
Who Framed Roger Rabbit? would be so proud of its descendants here.
looks great until you notice her hair isnt moving at all @4:36
It got canceled because nobody was watching it really. I work with unreal engine 5 and it’s a good engine, they did an amazing job as I can see. But when this show was offered to me on Netflix multiple times, I refused to click on it all those times, that’s why it got canceled as it wasn’t interesting, the tech is though!
Looking at Boba Fett in comparison to Andor, you see the limitations. Of course LED caves are versatile and can be a cheap solution. But relying solely on them takes away scope and forces you to over-produce. It might be better than Greenscreen-galore and someone like Hitchcock would have loved it, but after talking to colleagues who worked with this tech, I lost any interest.
certain new shows were seeming 'off' and now I know why.
Seem to be the only one who finds this technology - at least the implementation of it in 1899 - super fake looking. The Mandalorian pulled it off much better. But 1899 has a very greenscreen look, almost outlining the actors. Not sure what they were doing differently but took me right out of the show.
You're not the only one. You notice it more if you know about it. A lot of my friends and family who are not in the industry had no idea and thought they really shot it on the ocean.
I think the one that I didn't immediately notice was the dining room scene. But the outside ocean shots you could sort of tell. I think the tech will come along, but they still have some things to fix
It's the lighting. Like in front of a greenscreen you need to light you subjects properly to blend them into the background. The technology is quite new and there wasn't much lighting knowledge in the industry about it at the time of filming 1899. Also keeping the backgrounds very shallow doesn't help here, probably because of a high pixel pitch. LED walls today can have a very small pitch so you can keep the backgrounds reasonably sharp.
Amazing tech for sure. Need better stories though. Also I watch a lot of foreign films and sometimes the English overdub version is hard to take.
Good visuals but that's all saddly
Yep 🥺
its sad, that say canceled the show but i hope, this will not be the future of filmmaking
I think it will be a technique of it, but I think there needs to be some development first. I see a lot more potential in full virtual environments then in volume tech
Dark was brilliant, had extreme attention to historical details in the sets and though it also was a somewhat fantasy series, it was true to its logic. 1899 is weird: Ghosts, Bermuda triangle, but the real problem is the mechanics of the world on the ship it seems inconsistent and defying logic. That is naturally explained in the conclusion, but while watching it, it just seems like a sloppy script.
Loved the show. Its a shame they cancelled it.
Virtual sets produce wow effetct. But then you realise that ligting on actors is ugly. Virtual sets can make only overcatst lighting. Viever can see beautiful sunsets on background, and boring flat light on actors. All scenes looks dark.
What really took me out of the immersion was this language thing. You could select which dub to watch 1899 in: all original spoken dialogue in various languages or a dub of your choice in just one single language. The kicker is they could not decide in what direction to take the character interactions. The characters understood each other in the one-language dub and were unable to communicate with each other in the multi language version. The difference was just in the audio you selected, but the video stayed the same of course. This did not work at all. Baffling to me why they did not stick with one scenario or the other. When people can't talk to one another the story should play out radically differently from a cast that is able to communicate. It might have been best to just ignore the language problem completely (like in Star Trek) and just go with it. The whole scenario is surreal after all and everybody speaking one language would even make sense after the big reveal at the end.
This virtual production was made way before George Lucas was born. FYI
Yes but StageCraft process in particular was created by ILM because of it. Virtual production of course has been around longer than that but we are talking about StageCraft in particular here
Why do people keep raving about how amazing this technology is?? It's absolute crap. At 04:35 the woman is leaning over the side a ship where the waters are choppy and stormy and not one hair on here head is blowing. One example of hundreds.
The mandalorian series was tripe and unwatchable because they lazed out on shooting the way it should be done!
I loved Dark, but I found this show to be incredibly boring. I'm not surprised it was cancelled. It goes to show that big budgets and fancy equipment is only a piece of the puzzle. The story/script is what makes or breaks any show or movie.
Shame it was canceled. I guess people didn't get it
Yeah, right : global ecosystem's falling appart but we'll still be able to watch beautiful CGI when they're won't last any beauty in the actual real world to be seen, hurrah !
I was just about to start this then read it had been cancelled, so what's the point Netflix? Just what is the fucking point?
I know it's so sad... They had some problems with the show but wish they had at least renewed it for a second season
100 hunder years in the future and whole film will be done by submitting the prompt to the ai
netflix la CANCELO :/
I'm sorry to anyone who worked on the show or really enjoyed it but it looked CG and over all very uncanny. Right form the jump I thought, damn this is soaked in cg, greenscreen, and projection. I loved dark, but this one really didn't look good.
Wow I didn’t know they used the VOLUME! It looked extremely authentic!
RIP 😢
I watched the first 3 episodes and it was shaping up to be another idiotic 'Lost' type production. Now I hear it's cancelled. What a waste of time and resources.