Oh wow, The story near 31:00 , "then theres a limit to what god could ask of me", damn that hit hard. I didnt realize quite how much i struggled with that too until i heard it put that way. beautiful, gotta keep working thru that on my end, sweet lady, hope she grows well with god
I love the idea of combating the image of the elephant. One has to have a perfect view of religion and the cosmos in order to say that each person only has part of the truth. And that no one has the full truth. Very clever. Also, the comment that we are ready to be used by God because we limp. I may have heard something in a sermon somewhere about that before, but it is also a wise observation. Lastly, I think of the scripture, I longed to know Christ, and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of his suffering. Tim Keller himself certainly experienced that.
34:26 , oh damn! Thats a helluva quote! I cant appreciate the depth of wisdom behind those words, i dont preach, but i know that could hit painfully deep tor some out there. Haunting
That is just what I am doing with early Genesis. Showing how Genesis should be re-interpreted in light of what Christ said in John 5:46 and the Road to Emmaus. Moses was writing about HIM.And when you do that, most of the paradoxes from science and history vanish away effortlessly. Just by re-interpreting the text by asking "what meaning most points to the work and person of Christ?"
Socialist ? That is what most are doing . Timothy Keller was an actual theologian. And one, like Anglicans of old, deeply interested in history, philosophy, language, psychology ….. much less sociology. Sociology is a new major and you’ll find some of the least intelligent “ intellectuals” there. He mostly stays away especially when you consider he’s in New York City . Brilliant man, called by God I have no doubt , but more over a good man who actually had something to say relevant to now, our current zeitgeist . Thank you Tim. You were a fabulous example. Anybody dumb enough to Wonder “ if “ he was Christian is probably part of the problem .
Hebrews 2:13-18 "13 And again, " I will put my trust in him." And again he says, " Here am I and the children God has given me." 14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shares in their humanity( you and me in Christ) so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death- that is, the devil- 15 and free😊❤ those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. 16 For surely it not the angels he helps, but😊❤ Abraham😊❤'s descendants. 17 For this reason he( Jesus😊1st❤) had to be made like his brothers in every way( Jesus understands us in Christ), in order that he might become an merciful(❤ 😊❤) and faithful(😊1st❤) high priest( Jesus😊1st❤) in service to God, and that might make atonement❤ for the sins of the people. 18 Because he (😊1st❤) himself❤ suffered when he tempted( if our Lord and our savior( Jesus) was tempted too ( Matthew 4:1-11, 4;7,10 !,# Luke 4:1-14, 4;8,12,) he( 😊1st❤) is able to help those who are being tempted "( Hebrews 2:13-18 Zondervan NIV Study Bible And all parenthesis parts and symbols of love ❤ also for and in Christ too. Today do you believe in God or Jesus( John 1:1) is able to help you today too? In Hebrews 2:18 " Because he ( Jesus😊1st❤) himself suffered when he was tempted, he( Jesus😊1st❤) is able to help those who are being tempted."( Hebrews 2:18 ❤ and In Jesus'name, i pray( Matthew 4:4,7,10 and Luke 4:4,8,12 and Ephesians 6:10-20❤) Amen.
Share in❤love in Christ and for Christ( Jesus😊1st❤). In Jesus'name, i pray(Hebrews 2:5-18( Jesus made like His brothers). Amen. Hebrews 2:5-12 "5 It is not angels that he( 😊1st❤) has subjected the world to come, about which we are speaking. 6 But there is a place where someone testified: " What is man that you are mindful of him, the son of man that you care for him 7 You made him a little lower than the angels; you crowned him( Jesus😊1st❤) with glory and honor and put everything under his( Jesus' feet😊❤) feet. In putting everything under him( Jesus😊1st❤), God( 😊100%❤) left nothing is not subject to him. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to him. 9 But😊❤ we see Jesus(😊1st❤), who was made a little lower than the angels, now crownee with glory😊❤ and honor😊❤ because he( Jesus😊1st❤) suffered death, so that by the grace( freely given grace from God's grace) of God he might taste death for everyone. 10 In bringing ❤ many sons( sons and daughters of God in Christ today too) to glory😊❤, it was fitting that God(😊100%❤), for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the author of their salvation❤ perfect 😊❤through suffering😂. 11 Both the one❤ who make men holy❤ and those who are made holy❤ are of the same family❤( family of God❤). So Jesus(😊1st❤) is not ashamed to call them❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ brothers( or brothers or sisters in Christ today too in Christ). 12 He says, " I will declare your name to my brothers; in the presence of the congregation😊❤ I will sing your praises😊❤."(so far up to Hebrews 2:5-12 Zondervan NIV Study Bible and all above all in all for Christ and all parenthesis parts and symbols are in and for Jesus my Lord( Jesus😊1st❤) and my savior (😊1st❤)too in Christ . In Jesus'name, i pray( 1 John 4:18-❤19 1John 4:19❤--->❤ John 14:6) Amen.
Is this guy being called wokeness because he doesn’t call for the death of those he doesn’t like? I’m genuinely asking, why is he woke? I have never seen him before, but am fascinated by this comment section
Jesus says we are to love our neighbor, our enemy, our fellow believers, and we are to share the gospel. Keller believed that, taught it, and lived it. Some people think there are loopholes. There are not. Everyone has sinned. Jesus is the word and has existed before time. You can not say you love Him and not do as He says, which means live for Him, not yourself.
I am quite conservative, and Tim Keller is arguably my favorite pastor to listen to. People don't like him because he doesn't spend 80% of his sermons lecturing on sin and especially LGBT. He never affirmed those things and even spoke clearly against them in his books, but his ministry wasn't focused on fighting back against LGBT - it was on spreading the Gospel and evangelizing to bring people to Christ. I think his strategy was basically "If someone truly comes to Christ, they will WANT to leave their old LGBT identity behind out of faith and obedience to their loving savior", which I think is more what our culture needs today. The pastors that constantly preach against LGBT certainly have their place, but Tim Keller had his own way of doing things that was equally faithful.
No, Jesus already gave the answer:This kind only comes out by PRAYER AND FASTING! In this message, Tim is an example of someone who is too smart for the Gospels sake!
Though I fully believe Tim was a Christian, his socialistic ideas and ideals showed through his preaching more and more over the years. To the point I couldn't listen or read his stuff. Here also, I want to hear it but I am weary of so much he said... May he rest in God's loving arms and perhaps I will discuss this with him one day in eternity.
Out of curiosity my friend, what was it that you were weary of? I found myself being really challenged by keller's lecture here in a convicting way. I really wondered whether I have a genuine love for the secular people I share the Gospel with. Or whether its just another ploy at self-justification.
@@joshlarking3962 thank you for asking! What a good thing to be challenged by. My point was not about this specific video. His ideals and ideas in general have made me weary of wanting to listen or read his materials at all. I am sure he has really good biblical sermons, probably like this one but I can't get myself to consume any of it anymore because I'm constantly "on edge" due to his political ideas. I live in a very secular, socialistic society and I just don't need to have any of that added in any biblical teachings as it isn't hopeful to me but the opposite. Hope that makes sense.
@@aqqibabs Yeah I can definitely appreciate how one's political Ideals become infused with how they teach subconsiously. Makes sense that you would see it more and more if you are in the ultra secularised parts of this world. Here in NZ I feel that we aren't a culture that's geared towards producing thinkers and preachers like Keller so you can probably understand the stark contrast listening to him from my perspective. What a Complex world we live in. 😅 Thank you so much for your response!! May Christ keep you!
Hey there lovely people... It's nearly the end of August, 2023. Tim is home with Jesus...my church family is away for the weekend so I'm just sitting in my bedroom...no meeting here today...but... JESUS IS LORD . And... KEEP IT TOGETHER MAN. God bless you...wherever you are . Xxx L
I listened to Keller’s explanation of whether homosexuality was basically right or wrong and was sadly disappointed by his answer. Not completely biblical, certainly.
Hetrosexuality will not get you to heaven. Living a moral life will not get you to heaven. You, I, and Tim are just as condemned as a practicing homosexual without Jesus's sacrifice. What is it, don't you get? Do you think there are different levels of hell? Correction Keller has been made perfect by Jesus. You and I are not. Keller never said homosexuality was right. He said it was not an excuse not to love them and give them the gospel. Self-righteous people think we are graded on a curve with multiple unforgivable sins on the list.
@@idneilkell what an amazing, mic drop, shut him down, answer. Yea, people that condemn homosexuality and are always pointing out other’s sin and don’t look at, let’s say, greed, or envy, or the love of money (sins that are even more insidious) are fooling themselves. They call out “socialism,” but don’t call out the evils of capitalism, too. Let’s not forget that the early Christian’s lived in communes. I am very sure that Jesus will condemn many heterosexuals for their hypocrisy and for chasing away millions from Christ because of their terrible judgmental ways. That is “woke!”
(The following could probably apply to Keller, too.). Look! Piper, oh-so-humble, accuses prolifer’s of lying! “Christians communicate a falsehood to unbelievers (who are also baffled!) when we act as if policies and laws that protect life and freedom are more precious than being a certain kind of person.” Look! The ever-humble Piper calls us presumptuous! “And I think it is baffling and presumptuous to assume that pro-abortion policies kill more people than a culture-saturating, pro-self pride.” Look! On a roll, making it a triad of nastiness, Piper calls us naive! “It is naive to think that a man can be effectively pro-life and manifest consistently the character traits that lead to death - temporal and eternal.“. (Now, don’t be offended, because Piper has given us the freedom to vote for whoever we want to, without even sinning. As long as your comfortable with being a liar, being naive, and being presumptuous. As an aside, does Piper have the power to exonerate Trump voters for “communicating falsehoods”? Sounds pretty sinny to me…)
Sir I think Keller and Piper realise that, all of mankind fall short of the glory of God, themselves included. They would both be the first to say that they are sinners... Who are saved by faith alone in Christ. So I'm left wondering what you are trying to achieve here?
@@joshlarking3962 I’m trying to get Piper to ask forgiveness for slandering prolifer’s. He has caused much offense, yet he refuses to fall on His face before God almighty and beg for forgiveness.
Argues for the exclusivity of Christianity, admonishes Christians to be more serious about evangelism, holds the line on sin and penal substitutions, espouses a Christian sexual ethic…where is the wokeness? And what exactly does that term even mean? It can’t just be ‘anything related to social commentary that makes me uncomfortable’.
@@markstone8925it literally is. “Wokeness” is just “I know we are doing wrong, I just don’t want to look at it.” I’m an atheist, and can understand the draw of organized religion. But this form of political religion is terrifying.
The label of Marxism is irrelevant. The question is whether Keller was a faithful preacher of scripture-and yes, he was. If that makes comfortable, conservative, right-wing Christians call him a socialist, I doubt he minds.
He’s praised America’s individual liberty, condemn authoritarianism as antithetical to salvation, never called on the government to solve society’s problem. I challenge you to prove anything he said is Marxist.
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Oh wow, The story near 31:00 , "then theres a limit to what god could ask of me", damn that hit hard. I didnt realize quite how much i struggled with that too until i heard it put that way. beautiful, gotta keep working thru that on my end, sweet lady, hope she grows well with god
55:15 I grew up less than a mile from Hopewell, VA. I had no idea that Tim Keller preached there until now.
Live an #adventurouslife4Christ to evangelize spiritual freedom from sin and religion. AMEN
RIP Keller
I love the idea of combating the image of the elephant. One has to have a perfect view of religion and the cosmos in order to say that each person only has part of the truth. And that no one has the full truth. Very clever. Also, the comment that we are ready to be used by God because we limp. I may have heard something in a sermon somewhere about that before, but it is also a wise observation. Lastly, I think of the scripture, I longed to know Christ, and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of his suffering. Tim Keller himself certainly experienced that.
34:26 , oh damn! Thats a helluva quote! I cant appreciate the depth of wisdom behind those words, i dont preach, but i know that could hit painfully deep tor some out there. Haunting
Good Today ! __ " Jesus the Christ of GOD " __ a simple trueth easily found in every Bible. _ humbly, neighbour daniel
That is just what I am doing with early Genesis. Showing how Genesis should be re-interpreted in light of what Christ said in John 5:46 and the Road to Emmaus. Moses was writing about HIM.And when you do that, most of the paradoxes from science and history vanish away effortlessly. Just by re-interpreting the text by asking "what meaning most points to the work and person of Christ?"
😊😊😊😊
Socialist ? That is what most are doing . Timothy Keller was an actual theologian. And one, like Anglicans of old, deeply interested in history, philosophy, language, psychology ….. much less sociology. Sociology is a new major and you’ll find some of the least intelligent “ intellectuals” there. He mostly stays away especially when you consider he’s in New York City .
Brilliant man, called by God I have no doubt , but more over a good man who actually had something to say relevant to now, our current zeitgeist .
Thank you Tim. You were a fabulous example. Anybody dumb enough to
Wonder “ if “ he was Christian is probably part of the problem .
Hebrews 2:13-18
"13 And again,
" I will put my trust in him."
And again he says,
" Here am I and the children God has given me."
14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shares in their humanity( you and me in Christ) so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death- that is, the devil-
15 and free😊❤ those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.
16 For surely it not the angels he helps, but😊❤ Abraham😊❤'s descendants.
17 For this reason he( Jesus😊1st❤) had to be made like his brothers in every way( Jesus understands us in Christ), in order that he might become an merciful(❤ 😊❤) and faithful(😊1st❤) high priest( Jesus😊1st❤) in service to God, and that might make atonement❤ for the sins of the people.
18 Because he (😊1st❤) himself❤ suffered when he tempted( if our Lord and our savior( Jesus) was tempted too ( Matthew 4:1-11, 4;7,10 !,# Luke 4:1-14, 4;8,12,)
he( 😊1st❤) is able to help those who are being tempted "( Hebrews 2:13-18 Zondervan NIV Study Bible And all parenthesis parts and symbols of love ❤ also for and in Christ too. Today do you believe in God or Jesus( John 1:1) is able to help you today too?
In Hebrews 2:18
" Because he ( Jesus😊1st❤) himself suffered when he was tempted, he( Jesus😊1st❤) is able to help those who are being tempted."( Hebrews 2:18 ❤ and In Jesus'name, i pray( Matthew 4:4,7,10 and Luke 4:4,8,12 and Ephesians 6:10-20❤) Amen.
Share in❤love in Christ and for Christ( Jesus😊1st❤). In Jesus'name, i pray(Hebrews 2:5-18( Jesus made like His brothers). Amen.
Hebrews 2:5-12
"5 It is not angels that he( 😊1st❤) has subjected the world to come, about which we are speaking.
6 But there is a place where someone testified:
" What is man that you are mindful of him,
the son of man that you care for him
7 You made him a little lower than the angels;
you crowned him( Jesus😊1st❤) with glory and honor and put everything under his( Jesus' feet😊❤) feet.
In putting everything under him( Jesus😊1st❤), God( 😊100%❤) left nothing is not subject to him. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to him.
9 But😊❤ we see Jesus(😊1st❤), who was made a little lower than the angels, now crownee with glory😊❤ and honor😊❤ because he( Jesus😊1st❤) suffered death,
so that
by the grace( freely given grace from God's grace) of God he might taste death for everyone.
10 In bringing ❤ many sons( sons and daughters of God in Christ today too) to glory😊❤, it was fitting that God(😊100%❤),
for whom
and
through
whom everything
exists,
should make
the author of their salvation❤
perfect 😊❤through suffering😂.
11 Both the one❤ who make men holy❤ and those who are made holy❤ are of
the same family❤( family of God❤). So Jesus(😊1st❤) is not ashamed to call them❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ brothers( or brothers or sisters in Christ today too in Christ).
12 He says,
" I will declare your name to my brothers; in the presence of the congregation😊❤ I will sing your praises😊❤."(so far up to Hebrews 2:5-12 Zondervan NIV Study Bible and all above all in all for Christ and all parenthesis parts and symbols are in and for Jesus my Lord( Jesus😊1st❤) and my savior (😊1st❤)too in Christ . In Jesus'name, i pray(
1 John 4:18-❤19
1John 4:19❤--->❤
John 14:6) Amen.
Presup seems the apologetic you fall back on when all others failed.
Is this guy being called wokeness because he doesn’t call for the death of those he doesn’t like? I’m genuinely asking, why is he woke? I have never seen him before, but am fascinated by this comment section
Jesus says we are to love our neighbor, our enemy, our fellow believers, and we are to share the gospel. Keller believed that, taught it, and lived it. Some people think there are loopholes. There are not. Everyone has sinned. Jesus is the word and has existed before time. You can not say you love Him and not do as He says, which means live for Him, not yourself.
I am quite conservative, and Tim Keller is arguably my favorite pastor to listen to. People don't like him because he doesn't spend 80% of his sermons lecturing on sin and especially LGBT. He never affirmed those things and even spoke clearly against them in his books, but his ministry wasn't focused on fighting back against LGBT - it was on spreading the Gospel and evangelizing to bring people to Christ. I think his strategy was basically "If someone truly comes to Christ, they will WANT to leave their old LGBT identity behind out of faith and obedience to their loving savior", which I think is more what our culture needs today. The pastors that constantly preach against LGBT certainly have their place, but Tim Keller had his own way of doing things that was equally faithful.
No, Jesus already gave the answer:This kind only comes out by PRAYER AND FASTING! In this message, Tim is an example of someone who is too smart for the Gospels sake!
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Though I fully believe Tim was a Christian, his socialistic ideas and ideals showed through his preaching more and more over the years. To the point I couldn't listen or read his stuff. Here also, I want to hear it but I am weary of so much he said... May he rest in God's loving arms and perhaps I will discuss this with him one day in eternity.
Out of curiosity my friend, what was it that you were weary of?
I found myself being really challenged by keller's lecture here in a convicting way.
I really wondered whether I have a genuine love for the secular people I share the Gospel with. Or whether its just another ploy at self-justification.
@@joshlarking3962 thank you for asking! What a good thing to be challenged by.
My point was not about this specific video. His ideals and ideas in general have made me weary of wanting to listen or read his materials at all. I am sure he has really good biblical sermons, probably like this one but I can't get myself to consume any of it anymore because I'm constantly "on edge" due to his political ideas.
I live in a very secular, socialistic society and I just don't need to have any of that added in any biblical teachings as it isn't hopeful to me but the opposite.
Hope that makes sense.
So no issues in this video then
@@aqqibabs Yeah I can definitely appreciate how one's political Ideals become infused with how they teach subconsiously.
Makes sense that you would see it more and more if you are in the ultra secularised parts of this world.
Here in NZ I feel that we aren't a culture that's geared towards producing thinkers and preachers like Keller so you can probably understand the stark contrast listening to him from my perspective.
What a Complex world we live in. 😅 Thank you so much for your response!!
May Christ keep you!
Hey there lovely people...
It's nearly the end of August, 2023. Tim is home with Jesus...my church family is away for the weekend so I'm just sitting in my bedroom...no meeting here today...but...
JESUS IS LORD .
And...
KEEP IT TOGETHER MAN.
God bless you...wherever you are .
Xxx
L
I listened to Keller’s explanation of whether homosexuality was basically right or wrong and was sadly disappointed by his answer. Not completely biblical, certainly.
What part of the video was that?
He was a little off and didn’t seem to fully condemn and uphold the truth sometimes
Hetrosexuality will not get you to heaven. Living a moral life will not get you to heaven. You, I, and Tim are just as condemned as a practicing homosexual without Jesus's sacrifice. What is it, don't you get? Do you think there are different levels of hell?
Correction Keller has been made perfect by Jesus. You and I are not. Keller never said homosexuality was right. He said it was not an excuse not to love them and give them the gospel. Self-righteous people think we are graded on a curve with multiple unforgivable sins on the list.
The moralizing “Christian” is no more likely to achieve eternal life than those they condemn.
@@idneilkell what an amazing, mic drop, shut him down, answer. Yea, people that condemn homosexuality and are always pointing out other’s sin and don’t look at, let’s say, greed, or envy, or the love of money (sins that are even more insidious) are fooling themselves. They call out “socialism,” but don’t call out the evils of capitalism, too. Let’s not forget that the early Christian’s lived in communes. I am very sure that Jesus will condemn many heterosexuals for their hypocrisy and for chasing away millions from Christ because of their terrible judgmental ways. That is “woke!”
Seriously?
What's wrong?
Hot cocoa
Are you OK
(The following could probably apply to Keller, too.). Look! Piper, oh-so-humble, accuses prolifer’s of lying! “Christians communicate a falsehood to unbelievers (who are also baffled!) when we act as if policies and laws that protect life and freedom are more precious than being a certain kind of person.” Look! The ever-humble Piper calls us presumptuous! “And I think it is baffling and presumptuous to assume that pro-abortion policies kill more people than a culture-saturating, pro-self pride.” Look! On a roll, making it a triad of nastiness, Piper calls us naive! “It is naive to think that a man can be effectively pro-life and manifest consistently the character traits that lead to death - temporal and eternal.“. (Now, don’t be offended, because Piper has given us the freedom to vote for whoever we want to, without even sinning. As long as your comfortable with being a liar, being naive, and being presumptuous. As an aside, does Piper have the power to exonerate Trump voters for “communicating falsehoods”? Sounds pretty sinny to me…)
Sir I think Keller and Piper realise that, all of mankind fall short of the glory of God, themselves included.
They would both be the first to say that they are sinners...
Who are saved by faith alone in Christ.
So I'm left wondering what you are trying to achieve here?
@@joshlarking3962 I’m trying to get Piper to ask forgiveness for slandering prolifer’s. He has caused much offense, yet he refuses to fall on His face before God almighty and beg for forgiveness.
@Hank Fuddle stop being a worshiper of Trump and instead turn to Christ
Ah yes... the _woke_ Tim Keller
What do you mean by this?
Where was the wokeness in this video?
Argues for the exclusivity of Christianity, admonishes Christians to be more serious about evangelism, holds the line on sin and penal substitutions, espouses a Christian sexual ethic…where is the wokeness? And what exactly does that term even mean? It can’t just be ‘anything related to social commentary that makes me uncomfortable’.
@@markstone8925it literally is. “Wokeness” is just “I know we are doing wrong, I just don’t want to look at it.” I’m an atheist, and can understand the draw of organized religion. But this form of political religion is terrifying.
My friend, please tell me, where is the woke in here? And how do you define it?
Keller has sadly turned into a Marxist
That depends what you mean by Marxist
@@HearGodsWord ah I see what's happening here with your comments. 😂 not taking you seriously as you don't take others seriously 😂 clown
The label of Marxism is irrelevant. The question is whether Keller was a faithful preacher of scripture-and yes, he was. If that makes comfortable, conservative, right-wing Christians call him a socialist, I doubt he minds.
Please tell me, are there points in this video that make you say such a thing? I’m really curious to understand.
He’s praised America’s individual liberty, condemn authoritarianism as antithetical to salvation, never called on the government to solve society’s problem. I challenge you to prove anything he said is Marxist.