How To Measure A Cord Of Loosely Thrown Firewood - How much fits in the back of a truck?
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- Testing out how much firewood fits in the back of the wood trruck loosely thrown in. Using some math to calculate out firewood qty. Sharing some helpful tips on how you can calculate that out. Hoping the can save someone some trouble, keep them warm longer and not get shorted when purchasing firewood.
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As someone who was a Husqvarna chainsaw dealer for eight and a half years and have heated our home with wood for 45 years, all I can say is that your tips are spot on. Thanks and God bless! Shalom/gw
Wow does this bring back memories...my dad was in the tree clearing, cutting, trimming, and firewood "business" for 45 yrs. He had one of the first “Lickity Log Splitters” patented by Clayton John Brukner. It could split a block of wood 3 ft in diameter, and had special hydraulics to lower the splitter, flush with the ground. An amazing piece of equipment in it's day. We sold firewood by the cord or rick. The hours I spent tossing wood into the back of a pickup truck, and then re-stacking it for the clients, after we delivered it. Hard work but worth it. Thanks for the trip down memory lane..............
You do stacked wood like a piece of art. Its beautiful. You are a wealth of information. Great video.
As someone who sells firewood I have always added extra to my loads when they are not stacked to make up the difference. But it’s nice to know the exact measurements. I have always made sure I had the wood when stacking it to make sure I had the right amount. I like this measurement system especially when the person prefers a pile or likes to stack it themselves. Also, I have worked it out and 8’ pick up should be roughly 70 cubic feet stacked. (It would vary on model) That is accounting for the wheel wells. Thanks for the video!
Thank you! City girl here and I just bought wood a cord he told me. He didn't have a truck it was broken. He said it was a 1/2 cord = 2 Buick trunk loads. I won't be fooled again.
When I sold oak. By the cord, 25-30 per year, I would stack and season each cord 4x4x8 so that I knew how much was in the trailer when I was finished throwing wood. I always tossed a few extra on top for good measure, Luke 6:38
Hi from Portland Oregon
Thanks for the great video! 🪓🪓🪓
Now that's what I call Fine Art
Your intro clip for wood heat Wednesday gets me so jacked up to cut and stack more firewood. I feel like I'm ready to go to war against winter and you are my ally. I legit want to build a solar kiln to dry multiple years worth of firewood so dry that my moisture meter can't detect any moisture.
Thank you so much for this. It has helped us to not get scammed at least twice. We really appreciate it.
Wood shrinks as it dries. When I sold wood I stacked it 4’6” high green, so it was still 4’ when it dried and settled. I tried to get people to buy it green a year ahead so I could deliver it straight from the woodlot. They got it cheaper and I saved a lot of work and time. Always gave people probably a tenth of a cord extra just to be sure they didn’t come up short. Could not keep up with demand. You sell good wood at a fair price and this is a bulletproof business. Wears you out though!
As a city boy, I was surprised to find that New Jersey (!) actually had standards for a Cord, face cord, etc., set in law. When I've bought wood piled on a pallet, I've measured it, calculated the cubic feet, and then asserted successfully that the pile was NOT a 1/4 cord, or whatever. Saves money.
I have had a problem with one of my wood suppliers, he has a 12 X6 trailer and tells me there is almost 2 cords in that trailer.... I figured out that a cord is 3 stacks 4 feet high, by 8 feet long, put those 3 thacks end to end, it would be 24 feet long, so on his trailer, he would need to stack the wood 2 feet high in 4 ,12 foot long rows to get a full cord. By the way that almost 2 cord load he delivered ..... after it was stacked it was less than 2/3 of a cord, and I haven't heard from him since then, keep asking where the rest of my wood is, but he never answers .... Fortunately, my nephew has a large tract of land that he wants to thin out the trees on, so I have been spending the summer cutting my own firewood and hauling it home in my 5 X 8 trailer, the most time-consuming part is cleaning up all the tops and stacking them by myself, Got a system now though, clear out all the limbs and tops first until all that is left is the firewood laying on the ground, then it is easy to pick it up and stack it in my trailer, take it home and split it and stack it, then go inside fall down on the couch and go to sleep LOL, after all, I am 73 years old now and my battery runs down sooner than it used to.
got any grandboys to help you out? i usually hire neighbor kids who want to make a quick $20. once in a while you'll find a real good worker and you slip him a bit extra ;)
@@ChadS I have never been married so no grandkids, and they probably would not be able to keep up with me anyways. I find I get a lot more done out there by myself, nobody to worry about when I drop the trees and can stop and rest anytime I want to and do it my way, at my pace. I cut and split, and stacked 7 cords in two months while taking breaks on rainy or hot days, so it really was not a full two months. I am good for the winter and plan to start cutting again next summer at about the same time, the end of June or the first of July, and finish up about the end of August, I will be 74 by then, and he has a bunch of nice big Cherry trees to thin out. Almost everything I got this year was Cherry.
Excellent video for keeping everyone honest about how much wood you have. Well do on the math. Thanks for sharing.
A really useful video - thanks for taking the time to make it and sharing it with everyone.
One of the original channels for us firewood fanatics. We miss your posts. Hope all is well. Take care.
Well done Eric!
I have found thru 25 years of doing this, at age 68 150 pieces of spit wood equals a face cord, or a third of a true cord make a pile up to the rails in my 6 foot bed 02 Silverado. Good 'nuf for me. Love the video, kid. Keep it up!
Very interesting. As a city boy, I purchase wood already cut so this is very useful. Thank you.
Glad to see your having a Fall up there. Summer won’t give up down south. I’m just catching up on your videos this weekend. 👍
Make a window guard for that back glass. I did. Saved the glass several times.
good day to you Eric !! great advice and information !! 👨🌾🎥👍✝
Thanks for the video. I love the truck! Bowtie won’t die!
Wow you didn’t break your back window. Good job 👍
Great video! Handy to know. I would like to see a video on putting stove pipe together. There are a lot of videos assembling just one piece but not putting 2 pieces together.Thanks!
Interesting video. Something ive always wondered about. Oh and Ethan said he wants to be your firewood helper!😀
I am hauling firewood on the ranch, I always want to pick up that has a headache rack on it to protect that back window. It’s just a matter of time before one log touches that back window and then you’re driving in the cold until you replace it. Probably make a pretty good video too. My headache rags have a piece of angle iron that go across the whole back of a pick up on the inside and then attach to the headache rack itself.
Just an idea and love your videos.
Haven't heard "rick" in a while. We call them "face cords" here out west. My first year heating with wood I was not very "seasoned" (see what I did there?) and think I got taken a couple times buying wood from local folks. Had one guy boasting that his was great for wood burning because he had just cut the tree down and bucked it the day before. Not knowing anything, I though that older wood would burn worse, for some reason. The things you learn over the years. Thanks for helping spread some knowledge!
Yay! Great video and great knowledge. I loved this series from last year. Excited for this year
😁 thanks Chris!
You're a smart boy!! Thanks for sharing this info. I always learn something new from you.
Love & prayers
this is exactly what i was looking for! thank you
Hi Eric. Just subscribed. I live just down the road in North Branch! Glad I came across your channel.
Very well done mate...Thank you!
The way I always estimated is, if I was throwing it in the back of an 8 ft. bed truck, without stacking, just rounding it over the bed rails was a half cord.
same
Great video even after 5 years. 2024 now and wood prices in California will be crazy because the climate nutz are sprouting. So, I must count every log to the cord. Stay frosty, stay warm. God bless
There are A lot wood sellers out there ,with my dealings three out of ten were honest they would deliver short cords or slip a bunch of punk wood in the pile and they would prey on old folks that took there word that they were getting a full cord or two just dumped in the driveway then stacked next weekend finding out they were cheated ,a few would bring some more wood others didn't give a crap . Most of these guys would advertise wood for sale on the local radio station in the last twenty years .
My experience with 16 inch wood dumped into a cone from a conveyor is different. I find measuring the pile & restacking into a measured basket, that it's more like 200 cubic feet loose.
An 8 foot box stacked level to top of box is a 1/2 cord. Or the same 1/2 cord dumped loose and heaped.
I've noticed the less you do with the wood the more you can haul, if you have a truck load of logs and then cut them into rounds they won't fit back into the truck, and if you have a truckload of rounds then split them they won't fit back into the truck
Nice video, and an excellent representation of a) how a cord gets bastardized for profit, and b) why I actually like the fact that wood up here is moving to the cubic metre. The m^3 is easier to actually see as most aluminum wired totes come in 1mx1mx1m sizes, they also have handy pallet fork holes for moving them, and the arguments are far less. I have 4 metal totes that fit this, and that is just over a cord. 3.64m^3 is a cord FYI, so 3 and a half totes is far closer than any old woodsman and his trusty old yellow nylon rope that he won't let you measure. ;)
video very well produced great job. i just bought a "truck load" of wood here in NY (not upstate) for $350 and measured it out to be 2.3 cord after I stacked it all up but i had a little bit of wood maybe .5 cord from last year, so 1.8 cord for $350 around here, not bad.
I'm in Danbury pretty often, and nope not bad at all. Usually i see people selling wood in ads for like 200-240$ delivered
Great video and thanks for sharing
Cool comparison. Coincidentally, I was splitting wood this afternoon and filled the bed of my own crusty old Chevy. I was guessing a half cord, and I was probably pretty close.
You have some nicely seasoned wood there. Too bad most folks here where I am sell green wood as seasoned
Great information - Thank you!
If you stack in truck bed, does it come out less in quantity?
I have told more than one seller, when he was delivering the wood, that the roughly thrown 4 x 4 x 8 foot trailer load was not a full cord and he would have to bring more to make up the shortage. The law says "neatly stacked", some sellers can get a surprising amount of air space into their roughly thrown loads.
I have always measured in face cords. 4x8 and I cut 16 inch pieces. You had about 1.5 face cord on that pickup. Worth 90 bucks delivered here in ny.
So you are talking about 2/3 of a half of a cord of wood ? Or it could be said, 1/3 of a cord of wood ?
I live in Spain, I sell a cubic metre (3'3ft x3'3ft x3'3ft) for €75 with two large sacks of kindling and delivery included 😁 nice to know your prices and measures too
This year we ordered 4 cords of wood from a different supplier. Last year the supplier delivered 2 cords and jokingly said the pile in the driveway look short. He snapped back and said to measure it... thus I did. He was delivering about 98 or less of split wood. This year the new man delivered the 4 cords and he was 1/2 a cord short overall. It is worth your while to stack it and calculate how much wood you have as a cord goes for $275.
A full 4x4x8 cord is a lot of wood there's honest firewood dealers but far and few between. Same goes for oh ya it's seasoned when Cleary it was cut 3 months ago, or left in log form to dry and they just split it lol
Good experiment. I’d suggest that you strap or tightly tie up the cut pieces when initially stacking them for storage or drying. This will make it a whole lot easier for you to haul wood for future use. Eliminates the work of measuring, individually throwing onto truck, and individually unloading and restacking at the house or fireplace area
I never get tired of watching your videos Eric. Really love the music you put in your videos at times, so peaceful. Praying for you buddy, hope with every passing day your feeling better. Also I wanted to say thanks for the good quality of hoodies you sell on your store. I bought one and a coffee cup a while back and just ordered three more hoodies for Christmas presents. Hope it helps you out.
@JayDavis what happened to him?
Good info!
About the only way you can get a good estimate is by filling only to the top of the bed rails. Throw it in till it's even (flat) and then take it out and stack it and measure the stack. Then use that as your cubic foot per load measurement. So if you need a price per cord simply use the cubic feet of what you measured as a percent of a full cord and charge accordingly. Say the volume you removed from the truck was 48 cubic feet. Divide that by 128 cubic feet (volume of a full cord) which would equal .375. Or, .375 of a full cord is what is/was in your truck in terms of volume. So multiply .375 times the price per full cord cut, split and delivered and that would be what that load is worth. Or you could calculate cost using the volume of a face cord as the basis. The precise amount of wood will vary from load to load but and the cordage will be approximate but close enough for most people.
BTW, even with dry wood (loose) I suspect if you filled your PU only to the top of the rails/side of the bed you'd be at close to the capacity of your truck if it's a half ton. If you put that much green/wet oak in a PU I suspect you'd be overweight and your front end would bob around like a cork. Why do I suspect that?
I used to short haul a mix of dry and not quite dry oak in a 67 Chev PU and the last time I used it for hauling a load of firewood similar (heigth-wise) to the one you had in your truck, when I got to where I was going to unload it and stood off to the side the bed and frame (mostly the frame) had a nice up-side-down V shape. The tip of the v being the frame right over the rear axle where the coil springs hit the frame. Severely bent the frame. The springs were fully compressed. Even if the wood you had in the truck you displayed was seasoned I suspect you would have been well over the legal weight limit of your truck and running the risk of damaging your truck and potentially even someone else if on a public road..
Where I live (WI) I'm familiar with two principle cord definitions. The 128 cubic foot measurement is called a full cord (stacked 4ft high X 4 ft wide X 8 ft long). A face cord is 4 ft high x 8 ft wide x 16 inches deep/long (or generally whatever length you use in your stove). Stacked. Longer or shorter lengths results in a mutual agreement in regard to cost.
2002 Silverado, 8 foot bed. I load pretty consistently, and I usually get 2 face cord out of every 3 pick up loads.
A cord is 128 cubic feet of wood,does not matter if is 2 feet or 2 inches long as long as L x w x h is 128. As a licensed scaler l never heard of a face cord, but my first impression is someone buying firewood is going to get screwed by someone selling firewood!
Great video that’s good to know that you are probably getting the shaft when you don’t get a way overfull load
always love your videos, the quality is top notch. how long does it take you to put a video out?
With all that wood build sides on that Chevy. I did on mine stacked it in and easily got a full cord on. You can fit 4-5 "Racks" (separate stacks) Never lost a stick on the road. Best thing I ever did with wood. Plus you can haul Mulch and sticks.
If I remember from the video (without watching it again) you were about 10 cubic feet off? I just did the same thing with 4 face cord on a stack; used .65 as an estimate of what should fit and guessing a little on the round mound on top. By that measure 350 cubit feet multiplied by .65 means that 1.75 cord should fit. Well, 1.33 is what actually fit, and I see a lot of sellers apply more like 180 cubic feet to the cord, which is a .71 multiplier, so I think they're even further off! I think there is a big difference in the term loose thrown as well...loose thrown as in roughly thrown in all parallel or loose thrown off a loaded bucket or conveyor (mine was dumped in from a bucket).
Been doing this since late '70s. Always found that the RMS method gave the best results.
What the RMS method? Well, take 70.7% of the height above the sides of the truck; that's a good approximation of the "tent canopy's" geometry.
So, You had a height of 39"; let's assume the bed was 24" deep; that leaves 15" above => 70.7% => 10.6 => effective height of ~ 34.6".
Using that in your calc would yield ~ 0.7 cords in that heap.
RMS is acronym for root mean square, it is a method of obtaining a median level for a sine wave given in peak level, the approximation is valid if you are using a root X sloped sine wave there is no way that your "canopy" is a root square slope, maybe close maybe not. There are enough limb nubs and twist in firewood cut and split and piled as tight as you can get it you cannot get rid of all the voids and every time you stack a pile of wood it will be slightly different. Throwing wood in the box and estimating cubic feet good luck. If you are selling firewood based on a calculation and getting 70% of a cord in a half ton 8 foot box, your being dishonest, take it out and pile it for your customer easy to remove any doubt.
I'm not sure about you, but I think most of us saw him transfer a "true" 0.7 c into his truck from a "neatly stacked' pile to a "not-neatly stacked". He needed the RMS' tweak to determine the "effective height" to make the algorithm work. Not too different from the "Ball-Dropping Approximation of the Normal Distribution."
A lot of the "pickup load"salesmen only fill the truck box level full. The customer (mark) ends up getting a small fraction of a cord.
@@dpower02 Or just sell by the truck load.
As an 'old guy' who is old enough to remember watching the 'moon landing' on TV, I can tell you the old way of measurement was simple. A cord of wood was 4' x 4' x 8', and a 'rick' was 1/3rd of this...because due to most fireplaces back then, you could only safely cut a 16" length to fit into 'most-all' fireplaces...thus, a rick is 16" x 4' x 8'. As oak was the 'defacto' fireplace wood in most instances for us, and oak is generally accepted as weighing 52-pounds per cubic foot, and a cord being 128 cubic feet, a rick of wood would weigh 2,218 pounds (a full cord would weigh 6,656 pounds - or about 3 tons) with no air gap, but allowing for air, you end up with almost 1-ton of weight per rick, or 3-tons per cord (when all oak). Saying this...you do NOT have 3-tons of wood in your bed...you have (from appearances of your wood stack at 6:02) 1-RICK of wood...which would match with your 3/4 ton truck having almost 1-ton of weight making it sit level.
We did this 'experiment' back in my 'young years' with an old C60 dump truck we had, and found that to get a 'loosely conveyed' (we loaded with a 'bale conveyor') unsplit wood, that we could get 1-cord of wood into it being filled level with the top of the sides...(and got anywhere from $100 to $125 per cord, depending on delivery distance).
The BEST way to do this test is by using ONE WOOD TYPE, and going to a truck scales after loaded...then you can get a REAL measure of how much you are hauling (and how much you should actually charge). Keep in mind, customer isn't buying 'air', they are buying thermal capacity of the fuel sold.
So nics to know, great information, knowledge is power.
I could haul a cord with 2.5 foot side boards in a 99 f 250. I stacked a cord and tossed it in. Definitely had to pile it high in the middle. Several costumers questioned my measure. I always sold tossed out of truck. I never stacked. I told a couple of them I would stack it out and if I was right they paid me 50 bucks. No one ever took me up on it.
I know with my Chevy one face cord (1/3rd a cord) of cut and split very easily fits loosely thrown with a couple of air pockets in the front while 2 face cord only fits stacked, and comes up over the top.
I, for one, believe TrustyRusty will *easily* make another 28 years!!
That would be so cool
Very helpful, thank you!!
Time to use the stake wells and make the sides high enough for a cord +a couple percent. Now you know you have a full measure, gathering or delivering.
In maine the official volume for loose cut and split is 180 cu ft per cord.
wolley2012 Where in Maine?
A cord is 128 cubic feet no matter where you live...
Just subscribed. You've got some very good videos, and this is the first time I saw numbers on tossed split and unsplit measurements. Surprised no one mentioned that (around the 2:50 mark) you say 170 square feet (should be cubic), and also the video shows 175, not 170.
A friend of mine had three stages of wood. Splinted+stacked and dried (ready for use). Being split and stacked then the new pile with the last load left in the pickup bed for weight (winter). ;-)
Great video! After seeing this video I may have to have a turkey sandwich for lunch.
Very educational vid. Thanks
Did you consider the reduction in the truck bed volume when you deduct the wheel well?
That is a great point! That puts thing closer. Be interesting to find the average size in the bed of a truck. Time to do some googling.
@@LifeinFarmland just measure your wheelwells. I'd just split the difference in length from the slope.
Searched on-line for truck bed cubic feet for my year/make/model. 65.5 cu ft. May or may not have yours but it worked for me.
itstillruns.com/standard-bed-dimensions-f150-7640966.html
he also measured the outside of the bed
There are 2 measurements for fire wood. A full cord is 4×4×8. There are 3 face cord in a full cord. A face cord is 16"×4×8'
We often measure a facecord of wood as 4 feet high by 8 feet long stacked in one row. Problem with that is sometimes the wood is cut too short. I've seen 6 inch pieces thrown in a stack, and sometimes as much as 24 inches long, all mixed in sporadically. I've also seen pine thrown in when they advertise hardwood. But that's another story. It would have been better to see what a facecord looks like in a 8 foot truckbed.
Great video. Learned something! I've always wanted to know how much wood I had piled up when I was too lazy to stack it lol. That truck load of wood, not piled up that high of course, how much could you sell it for where you live? I can get $70-$80 for a 6.5' bed here on 3/4 ton truck.
Headache rack I think it's called its a screen that protects the back window. Real easy to put a round thru a window
Man I am craving turkey right now! Rotfl lol 🤣
Lol
We always cut our firewood 16 inches. Three piles wide equals four feet. 22 inches is pretty big unless you have a big stove.
yeh i ask for my wood to be 16" when i order it but living in 'sota i imagine he's got a big ass stove.
wish there was a place like that in Monroe county PA...just crap in E. Strouds
Thanks fella
I couldn't get this video to load. The rule of thumb I knew about was that a 128 cu. ft. cord would take 180 cu. ft. loose. Am I far off?
I use a 5w x8l x4h bed with racks. A fair amount of wood.
I heard 180 foot was the magic number or 5.1 cubic meters thrown to be a cord , or 3 solid cubic meters
Good video, I always wondered that myself but knew a pickup load without racks was not a cord . I have a guy I trade my labor for his wood and he always has a rack on his truck but always has his little trailer on behind loaded to make up any slack !!!! He is always in a hurry like a fart in a frying pan so its never stacked but im never shorted !!!
In Kansas a Rick is half a cord. 2x4x8
Thanks for sharing this... I think if you did this 2 or 3 more times, you'd get really good at knowing where to cut off that height measurement to get a pretty accurate estimate
i hate when i have allot of short little chunks . they suck ranking it and they suck burning it as far as how quick they burn . but i love fire wood on the whole ,this is the only heat that i am willing to work for .
Sold wood with my Father for years, if you want an accurate measure stack the wood in the box, Ford, Chev and Dodge 8 foot box filled stacked up level with the top of box is 1/2 cord (64 cubic feet). Your trying to guess the voids with rounding up and measuring doing some calculation is hokus pokus, people who use firewood are either frugal or needy give them the fair deal. There will always be crooks who want something unearned, they will not be in business long.If your trying to estimate wood for yourself stack it in the box save time on guessing and trying to calculate.
Have you ever loaded a quad trailer or snowmobile sleigh by just throwing it in and putting it in a pile then loaded one or the other by stacking it and properly restack it to see how much difference?
Great info keep it come
I can't agree with criss cross piling as being stacked,just look at the air space. Also use average measurements, not highest or longest. I agree with a load on a standard half ton, 8 foot box,and rounded up a little makes half a cord. Glad you did not mention face cord as there is no such thing!
I miss this channel. Hope you folks are doing ok!
Wood is 128 ft.³ Tightly stacked. Or 4’x4’x8’
I've been lucky so far. My wood provider has always erred on the side of more rather than less when he delivers. I tell him that and he just nods his head and says 'Good'.
@Christopher Thorndike The Old Dog Farm has a youtube channel under that name. I try to put out a new vlog every couple of weeks not up to your level but getting better every time. Thanks for the inspiration you provide with your vlogs. I love them.
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Put a pallet in the back to protect rear window. I smashed 2.
That's a good idea. I have a pallet sitting in my yard... I know where it's going.
Ply wood
Sorry outside the US we not familiar with your imperial measures, can anyone explaining it in metric ?
Looking back on cords i have bought I'm pretty sure i got screwed lol
Yep, I know your right, me too.
I sell a small amount of firewood every year and have a steel rack behind the garage that is 4x4x8, and I tight stack
16" stove length in 3 rows. I sold 2 of these cords this year. A full size Ford bed will take 3/4 cord if its neatly stacked, and not more than 3 inches over the bed rails....thats what I found....if you had done it neat, I think thats what you would have had.
NH law defines a cord of wood, and the state will get involved if someone complains they have been short changed
i usually greet the guy who delivers the wood with a .45 on my hip, much better results than "the law" ;)
I'm curious, How much wood is in a log that is 4' in diameter and 8' long?
just subscribed on a recommendation of Daniel Arms.. Minnesota is certainly a wood burning state lots of timber do you
live in Northern Minnesota? catch ya on the video.
Great idea but when loading wood like that the biggest problem us wasted air space so to get the most of wood that people would be paying for is load truck same way but all wood in same direction when tossing them in ..
Virginia has very specific laws for the sale of firewood. Only a full or half cord can be sold and if the buyer requests it, they must stack it as you described a proper cord.
It costs extra if you want it stacked. Cant do that for free.