WHAT IS A CORD OF FIREWOOD??? - #94
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- In today's video, I'm addressing some confusion that happens quite a bit in the firewood business. Its coming up on that time of year, so I thought it might be a good topic for discussion, and education. Let me know what you think, and if you have ever had similar questions or circumstances.
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Great job Brad, in explaining a measured cord. 👍👍 There are a lot of people selling firewood on FB market place listing the amounts wrong! This should help many people!
I hope so. Thanks for watching
You're absolutely right about the title bringing in new subscribers. I just found this video, and though I already knew most of the information, I'm now a subscriber!
Thanks Ryan and welcome!
Well done! Nothing like wood heat. Loved seeing all those neatly stacked rows. Cutting firewood is my planet fitness and forest management is my favorite hobby.
Thanks
I also always get the customer to understand what they are asking for. It really cuts down on miss understandings
I purchased a 1/2 cord yesterday.
Was delivered neatly stacked in a full size short bed Dodge 2 rows 16" side to side level to the top edge of bed. A third row was approximately 1/3 the height of the first 2 rows.
It's been years, told him it looked like a 1/4 of a cord and he said "no!", this is a half cord!.
I paid for it, it single stacked just over 3' high x 7 wide with no side supports...tired on the edges.
Yep, after researching...I definitely got RIPPED OFF.
Can't trust people. Bottom side to side width was less than 7' wide, disappointing to say the least.
Unfortunately this happens often.
Maine has a law that a cord of Firewood equals 180cf. when thrown loose.
128 cubic feet any way you measurer as long as it makes 128 cubic feet 4 by 4 by 8 feet equals a cord of wood!! nuff said
Great info 😊
Glad it was helpful!
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Great educational video.
In ohio there is a law ,firewood is to be sold by the cord or partial cord ,not even e face cord, i see people selling what they call a rick ,i have seen it cut 12 inches and call it a 1/3 cord ,they are ripping off people ,i have also sold wood to people that say that i deliver twice the amount of wood that they used to get ,a cord came in a pickup truck ,i do have a customer that so far he has gotten 14 full cords 128 cf. Im getting the same money for green wood as seasoned ,he wants green wood he keeps a 3 year supply of diffrent aged wood. His dad has also bought 7 full cords and wants more through the winter, plus i sell baged wood i tried plastic streach wrap did not go good so i switched to bags and charge for the bag and sell 20-25 bags a week there are a few plastic wraped left there from last year, ill be bagging those ,thanks for the good info hopely it will educate people so they dont get ripped off,have a great day, enjoy your videos, hope i can meet you at the pb show in october
Great! Yes sir I’ll be hanging around booth 100 throughout the day
I dunno. I think its all kinda subjective. I swear i almost got 2 full cords in my truck. With tall racks. Massive rounds. Not in round form, but after split n stacked. 23 feet long by 8 feet tall. Not tight though. Impossible being super knotty pine. So theres a big difference between non split and full rounds when measuring.
The only thing that really matters here is it was free. Minus my back and gas money to get it, but free heat.
hi there i not sure but i don't think in Maryland you can sell wood by the term face cord because that can mean 4x8 any length . 1/3 cord is ok . also do you have that permit you spoke of .i did learn just now of that , thanks john
Yes must be called 1/3 cord. Yes I have the permit. It’s a form you fill out, send them a check and they mail you the permit. You also have to fill out how much standing timber you cut each year
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I find it difficult to understand why wood is sold by volume? All this stacking and measuring is rife with inaccuracies. Every other solid fuel is sold by weight so an accurate BTU count is possible. All wood contains the same BTUs per lb so why not standardize what a cord of "mixed hardwood" weighs and use a simple bucket scale to load the trailer? This way the customer is always getting the BTUs they paid for.
Moisture content would be a huge inaccuracy doing it that way.
@@FirewoodattheFurnace Standardize the water weight to 20%
@@FirewoodattheFurnace isnt there some kind of standard already for moisture content?
What kind of log splitter you got there
It’s called a Ramsplitter. I’ve got several videos on the channel of it running if your interested. It’s a middle of the road commercial splitter.
You are a Godsend. The terminology can be confusing for the layman. Thank you for explaining it. Great video. One question though, with all that nice wood that you have stacked up do you cover it in the winter and during rain?
I cover wood that is ready to burn and can be sold. The wood that is not ready and waiting for next year I do not cover. I’ve done some testing of covered vs uncovered and noticed no differences. Thanks for watching and yes it does get confusing for many people.
Another student at the Forestry College where I earned my Scalers license asked the Instructor what is a face cord? The Instructor sat down , waited for silence and said,, face cord is only a word invented by dishonest firewood sellers to make customers satisfied with less then they paid for. He suggested that would be a good exam question . This is by far the best video out of many l have seen about firewood, thanks.
Hello Brad I just found your channel I found it very informative. I heat my house with wood. I’m almost 82 years old and I still drop trees buck and split them up I burn mainly oak,maple, hickory and locust. But the problem is as I have gotten this old it just takes a lot out of me. I really did enjoy your video and I am looking forward to watching all your videos
Well welcome to the channel. Glad to have you here. There are lots of great people in this community and we all try to help each other. I think it’s awesome that your still doing the work! It’s always nice to do a job that you can see what your efforts resulted in. I hope you enjoy the channel and again, thanks for coming along
well . Iike this fella and this is a great video . i wood like add to the pick up truck deal ..... 8x5x3.2= 128.so if you sell firewood in a full size pick up build some sides and a head rack and stack it 3 ft high and mound it up being higher in the center which will give you you 3.2 in the equation . firewood and power saws saved me from myself. good job on this video
Wow buddy, so nice to see you here. I’ve learned so much from you not just about firewood but about living life. Thanks for commenting and hope you all had a great holiday!
I've been tryin for 50 years to teach people how much a cord is I give up.
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Pur it. In a. Straight line easy to comprehend
That's funny -
We just bought our 4 cord for the winter. 2nd year I paid. I always cut it myself but ive gotten lazy. Thanks for the video.
HOW TO FIND NUMBER OF CORDS IN ANY SIZE RELATIVELY SQUARE STACK OF FIREWOOD
Use a calculator.
1. Measure the stack in inches.
Inches Wide or Deep X Inches Tall or High X Inches Long = a big number.
Example: 36 in wide X 69 in tall X 156 in long = 387,504 cu inches.
2. Now divide 387,504 by 1728, (cubic inches in a cubic foot) = 224.25.
3. Now divide 224.25 by 128, (cubic feet in a cord of wood) = 1.75 cords of firewood.
A face cord here in Tennessee is called a Rick or a third of a cord about 42-43 square feet
Yes. that is what is is in Southern Indiana- populated with Appalachia emigrants, of course. Alternative from what I can tell is “face cord”. Have no idea why people would refer to it as a cord.
Very few people get what they paid for.
One of the struggles I have with selling firewood is that I'm honest with my cord, and even give a bit extra. The problem is that I'm competing with people who will deliver what they call a "cord", but is maybe 25% less. They charge less then I could and customers see the lower price of a cord and think they're getting a better deal.
Great video! Sound like a reputable company. Thanks for explaining what a true cord is. So many people have no idea. I’ve had sellers try to sell me a cord that was actually alot less than even a face cord. 4’x4’x16-18”
Good video. There is a lot of confusion with people. I’ve sold firewood and I’ve bought it at times too. There are way too many sellers that either don’t know or don’t care what a full cord is. The next biggest topic of confusion caused by bad or unknowing sellers would be what exactly seasoned firewood is.
6 cords going out will give u alot of free space for more maple ,ash, or cherry which dries very fast if u split it small
Out here in the pacific northwest..4'x4'x8'..
4x4x8
4ft tall
4ft wide
8ft long
That's a cord
a 1/3 face cord of wood is also known as a "rick" here in these parts.
I learned early on (age 16 now 67) what a cord was. A lot of people in my area refer to 1/3 cord as a rick. Having hauled a rock I know it will fill a short box pick up. I wish more people would see this video. Great video by the way.
Thanks Allan. Appreciate it
Dear Mr. Woodsman, just a bit interested because I live in a forest surrounded by trees and wood. So my fireplace can get it's tummy full anytime. Enjoy you video, Thank you very much, if no one else has ever mentioned it, have to tell ya. O.k. about the pickup load, I was always told that is a cord. Thanks again, now 40 + 40 = 80 so in my mind that is almost 2/3 of a cord, dear sir? but not half. because 80 + 40 more and your right about at 120 only 8 cubic feet shy of the Ag. Dept. required measure, just a comment. Still I subscribed and hope the little math fraction is not insulting, was not meant to be. Retired school teacher lady.
Welcome!
Awesome! Yes I am new and i appreciate your video. Thank you. By the way what chainsaw do you run for bucking? I'm in Texas, lots of oak. Currently have a Husqvarna 550xp.
Welcome! Glad to have you along and I hope you enjoy. My 2 main saws are the Stihl 500i and MS261
3rd of a cord aka rik ....nother way of spelling ( Canadian) also was a wood mover ...thrown in ur trailor close to 200 cubic ft of space used 4 ur 128 cord ...getting firewood one of the best ways 4 outside exercise and enjoyment ...like what I see on ur page ...warms u almost 6 times before stove burning time ...
Thanks and I appreciate you stopping by and taking the time to leave a comment
Sorry couldn't make it through. Got tired of you Explaining about what you were going to Explain.
Just leave then
If you were to take 16 8ft logs 12 inches diam, stacked 4x4x8 that gives you 128 cubic ft. That is what the log supplier is going to charge you for.
But you now cut it into 16 inch lengths split it and stack it, it does not become 128, more like 110 , if those logs were crooked some short stuff in there, the logs were 16ft long more dead space you are now down to 90 cubic ft of solid wood for a cord 85 to90 cubic ft has been quoted to me by saw mills. So I measured the pile i have measured 10 cord in 16ft lengths.
I measured each end diam. Averaged it ,calculate the cubic ft of that log , then processes it. I use 1/3 cord to a bag, guess what, the calculations worked out to I should get 17 bags from that particular pile of logs, by measurement of raw logs to bags firewood. The loses from raw logs to sold wood can range from 14 to 20 percent. So who is right the logger selling you a cord, the retailer selling a cord, or in my case as in others selling in bulk, measuring the box some do 160 or 180 or any thing in-between . I have come to the conclusion if the customer is happy with the amount of wood he gets for the price he likes, don't cheat him. But also don't cheat yourself, be fair all around.
Agreed. In Maryland the law reads that it is 128cu. ft of split firewood neatly stacked. So a cord in log form wouldn’t meet that definition in my opinion
What a yard of wood wow very cool
Hi brad quick question I know a 1/4 cord is 6 feet long by 4 foot high with the wood cut 16 inches. What if the wood is cut 19-23 inches?? Is it the same???
No it would actually be less width or height. 1/4 cord would be 32 cu ft so you just need to multiply length X width X height
I'm a firewood seller and I have a 1ton dump the bed is 8ft long 7ft wide and sides are 3ft high I throw the wood in losely I did the math and I'm giving more wood to people
You throw all your words in loose just like your wood. No periods. That's kinda funny...
Hi I'm new. Great information. Do you think I could get a face cord in my Toyota Tacoma? Thanks :)
Hello and welcome! Hope you enjoy the channel. Depending on the dimensions of your bed I think a face cord should fit.
I had 4 of my black walnut trees cut down and paid for the logs. I had them leave anything they didnt want, which was alot since they just took the straight long logs. They were cut before they started getting sap. My question is, how long do you have the wood sit for ut to be "seasoned"? I have everything cut up into longer pieces and havent cut down for my wood stove to split yet because i figure keeping them longer for now wont let them get so much moisture from rain.
Black Walnut dries pretty quickly. Get them cut to length, split, and stacked off of the ground. This will allow them to dry more quickly. Some people cover the tops of the stack, but you want the wind to have the ability to move through the pile. Do not cover the entire pile. I personally dont even cover the top unless your planning on burning it right away. The rain will not absorb into the wood and keep it wet. The main reason for covering the top is to keep snow from sitting on it for long periods of time. Black Walnut when split, stacked and exposed to plenty of sun and wind can be ready to go in about 6 months. Hope this helps.
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I have a long bed truck I stack my wood 4-4-8 on a pellet when I put it in my truck it fits in just past half the glass don't know what your talking about
If your stacking it tightly and high, maybe you can. But not in a standard pickup with no sides
My area deals in Rick's very interesting
Why am I just finding this channel?! Shout out from college park maryland
Welcome! Glad you found us. Hope you enjoy
Do y’all have oak or pecan , ash that y’all use for firewood?
Do y’all ever use cypress or cedar or mesquite wood for firewood?
We like to use mesquite, oak , pecan and apple tree woods for bbq .
Lots of Oak, Ash and maple around here.
If you have side boards. And you stack it above cab. You can most definitely get a cord of wood in a pickup truck.
Yes, if you go high enough you can. That would be a heavy load
Appreciate it man ima use this info to be smarter
Well done, your explanation was on the money. I have been cutting and splitting wood since I was 16 helping my Dad and Uncles at our hunting cabin in NYS. Then I was cutting it to heat my family home, about 4 years ago I had my hip replaced & 62 years young now it's not as easy to get fire wood anymore. So I started ordering some fire wood, it's very hard to find someone who knows what a cord of firewood is.
Thanks!
interesting, so with all the various types of wood you process, which is many...is the price the same? what if someone wants a cord and wants the cheapest? or you dont have any of a certain type left? or you sell it all the same as there would be a difference from oak to cherry...just curious
My price is set for mixed hardwood. If someone wants a specific species there is an additional charge
I have delivery in PA scheduled. They’ve told me our 4 x 8 rack is a half cord!
A 4x8 rack could be half a cord if the pieces are cut 24” long
Thanks for clearing this up. How much should a face cord cost? I'm new here.
Firewood prices vary greatly depending on your location. Where I am a face cord (1/3) goes for $80-120.
But you never explained a Rick. The measurement of nefarious vendors.
Sorry about that
My customers must be a little smarter then your
In the United States, do more households procure their own firewood or purchase firewood?
I can't speak for the whole country, but in my area (Maryland) I would say its about 50/50. The majority of my customers use Firewood for supplemental heat. I have only a few that burn wood exclusively.
Where are you located? I am in sussex county, DE. Am I too far from you?
I am in Cecil county Maryland
Correct me if I am wrong, (but I am not), a FULL cord of wood is a stack of UNSPLIT wood 4 feet long, 4 feet high by 8 feet long. 128 cu ft. When you split it, it now becomes more than 128 cubic feet.
Maryland law does not define it that way, only that it shall equal 128 cu ft “when neatly stacked”
Split and stacked... though some folks split it finer than others. A heap of unsplit wood is technically called a heap of wood.
When I stack my wood, I always try to go 54 inches. By time it drys down and shrinks its a little more than 48 inches. (Depends on the type of wood) I would rather give more than less.
Uk here , out of interest what does a cord cost roughly? We get it in various sized ton (metric) bags so roughly £50-£60 a bag for seasoned . You never know whats going to show up ! Its not sold on weight by the way , the 1T bags that sand and aggregate are delivered in are just a crude measurement.
128 cu. ft. (full cord) runs around 300 or so
@@FirewoodattheFurnace wow that's pretty reasonable! Thank you for replying .
I have been doing exactly what you’re doing and I have been doing it for most of my life and you are so right, explaining first
Great vid👍. Here in SW Missouri I deal with the same confusion. The most common term here for a 1/3 of a cord is a “rick”. Most people call and want to order wood by the truckload and then I have to clarify things. I have also noticed that the people who heat with wood and will buy a cord or more they know exactly what they want. It’s the customers who want a rick or 2 for a fire place or a backyard fire pit that aren’t sure. And several times I have showed up to deliver a rick or two and stack it the customers are surprised by how much extra wood is there, which after an explanation of volume means they were cheated in the past. Keep up the good work Brad😆
Excellent information, Brad.
Glad it was helpful!
New to the channel. The guy I just picked up from said 5 wheel barrels is a quarter cord is this true?
If you stack it, it should be 32 cu. Ft to be 1/4 cord
@@FirewoodattheFurnace these video are interesting i usually get from heb but i was told it’s cheaper and i could get more dry wood if i go outside the big grocery stores. Thanks for making content for beginners im away with charcoal and wanna stay with only wood I enjoy it more and get more compliments on my wood haha
Thank you for sharing your information I’m new here 😊
Welcome!
Looking to start my own side gig south of of Dallas, thanks!
Best of luck to you!
Yep , some are confused. A standard pickup truck, stacked evenly to the top of the bed is not a full cord.
Those different adjectives confuse people.
Good video.
I know it may very but what’s the average cost of a full cord of wood. Looking to get a wood stove for this 2024 winter coming.
It varies greatly but in my area, 1 full cord of seasoned firewood is around $300 on average
Awesome thank you so much
Thank you! Very informative and well explained. This video should be required training for all new firewood sellers. Many people in my area try to claim a level truck bed as a full cord, and unfortunately also price it as that. Often it will even actually be a loosely thrown in, level truck bed, claimed as a full cord!
I wished you would deliver to me here in southern Kentucky, lol
Lol yeah that’s a hike from Maryland. Thanks so much for watching
Really good explanation Brad. A lot of people don’t have a clue about what a cord is. I can’t believe you need to have a permit to sell firewood. Just another revenue stream for the government, smh. I left upstate NY and moved south 42 years ago. I was glad to get away from a lot of that government control. Unfortunately I think it’s creeping towards NC.
I'm new here, first video. Building a woodshed from pallets, and came here for guidance on what size to build. Thanks for helping.
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Great video.Learned something today lol
Glad to hear it!
Wow. 6-8 cords. As "In the woodyard" would say, get outside and get cutting! If you get a few more orders like that you are going to run real short on supply. Good problem to have.
This is my first year getting an inventory together to season and hopefully start selling next year. Can't thank you enough for the video! You're on a roll. I've already used your video to make racks with pallets. Can get twice as much wood stacked for about 1/4 of the price (when comparing it to the metal racks I've bought on Amazon). I'm also going to build a bundle making frame soon from your other video I've taken notes on. You help out your viewers more than you know! Btw, congrats on the 5k subscribers! 🙂
Thanks so much. That’s what I love about this community. Helping people out is what I strive to do. Thanks for watching and letting me know. This keeps me going!
Excellent info. There’s so much confusion and misinformation on this topic. I too have heard people say that a full cord can fit in a pickup truck. I always say, “my truck is an F350 with an 8 foot bed. I can’t fit a cord in my truck.”
So it should scale, 158 cu.ft. to allow for air gap in the stack. Further, look at the back of my 79 F250, 8 ft long, 6'8" wide, stacked to the top of the cab, even allowing for wheel wells, is more than a cord
You can definitely fit a cord in a 8ft truck bed
If you stack it high
in Australia ya pay 300 a face cord,,lol
Wow!
I would say 8 out 10 of new customers for 1/3 cord are blown away with the amount of wood they receive for their money and it was exactly what they had coming to them. They have bought these loosely thrown in, 6 foot truck bed loads for so long. They have forgotten what an actual 1/3 cord is!
Nice job on the video and all the other cute names of measurement given by the Joe's of the world, are NOT helping the industry at all...
Good to see this. However, I live in the UK. We don't have measurements like that here. A cord of firewood there is like a pint of beer here. Glass full, if not it is not a full pint. Here firewood is by the dump trailer or the builders bag. £70 for a builders bag of ash. In all honesty, 2 builders bags don't evaluate to even a full face cord. I try to cut and split my own firewood, but when I need to buy, I look at USA and realize how much more you get there for your money. What do you charge for a full cord? I have a friend who has a wood burner who simply buys wood from the supermarket. He has gas central heating in the house also. He likes to keep the wood fire going through winter because he likes the heat better than from the radiators. Just burning 3-4 hours every evening. He told me he has spent £2000 on kiln dried firewood this year! Plus kindling! I was shocked. A small amount of searching, chainsaw bucking and splitting only takes a few days a year for me, and sometimes I buy a bit, like £200 for 2 or 3 builders bags to help fill my woodstore, but spending so much on a small amount of firewood seems unproductive.
16 inch. Long. Stacked. 4 feet high 24 feet long or any combination 3 8 foot. Rows would be 4ft high 4ft wide. And 8. Ft long 16. Inch logs ONLY
Excellent thank you. I'm starting to cut firewood, hopefully make a business out of it. I have around 100 acres at my disposal. Alot of popal but all other kinds also.
Thanks for the info! Unfortunately, I just realized that I got burned my first winter burning wood. Pun intended. I'm gathering wood myself now for the winter rather than pay $300 for damp wood in the city.
how much do u get for a 128 square foot local cord of wood
128 cubic foot of firewood or a cord is $300 right now
Nice to meet you, Brad. I'm new to your channel and appreciate a honest person when it comes to firewood sales. My wife and I are both 67 and cut, split and stack our own firewood, a great team. We mostly get logs that I haul home on my 5x10' trailer, pulled behind my 2001 Grand Cherokee and some rounds from our local Fire Chief that's clearing a large area of his property that has a lot of dead Ash trees. Keeps us busy and in some sort of shape and beats paying those high utility bills. Again, great to meet you and discover a great channel.
Hello, and welcome to the channel. Glad you found it! Sounds like you and your wife work great together. Ash is awesome firewood and dries quickly. Its great exercise and mental therapy I think. Hope you to continue to enjoy and I wish you all the best.
Thanks for this video Brad. I almost didn't click on it because I know what a cord is, and I know what a face cord is. Of course, that was before I watched your video and found out I have been wrong for 20 years. I was sure that a face cord was 1/2 of a cord. So all these years I have been getting a cord delivered and thought the guys was being generous because after filling 2 face cord holders, I always had some extra. Ha Ha, joke was on me.
I am about to order firewood and have called around to get prices here in Northern New Jersey. You mention in your video that you like the chance to educate your customers and try not to embarrass them. I think I will have to make sure whoever I get the wood from is educated and will try not to embarrass them! You have a great style and I appreciate the content. Subscribed.
Thanks! I’m glad it helped and welcome to the channel. Hope you continue to enjoy and thanks for the comments!
128 square ft equals one cord
Cubic
Quick question, do you cover your firewood stacks? I admire the way you run your woodyard, it is always so well organized!
I do not cover them anymore. I used to but had a lot of trouble keeping the covers on in the wind. If I were selling the wood through the winter I would cover the tops but I’m always sold out before the snow flies. I don’t think it’s necessary to cover it when your not planning to burn it anytime soon
@@FirewoodattheFurnace thank you for your thoughts!
Is 16 inch pieces of firewood hauled in the bed of a pickup truck heavy enough to not worry about pieces flying out going down the road or is a tarp needed?
Hi I'm Rob I've been here for 2 months now
Hello Rob and welcome. Thanks for stopping by!
as a homeowner and a recent buyer of firewood, I found this video most informative.
Hello wats you price of cord of wood?
It was $300 delivered this year for a full cord
The way i could remember 128 cubic feet was there was also 128 ounces in a gallon. That part itself didn't help much but a quart of beer is 32 ounces. That part is easy to remember. One quart is 1/4 gallon. 32x4=128.
I can honestly say, I learned a lot. Thanks for the info
Always good to get a good refresher of what a "cord" is. Thanks Brad.
A truck can hold a cord with racks
Sure can if you build it up
1 cord = approx 3 cubic m solid=3.62m3 stacked=5.09m3 thrown or 22.4 feet solid = 128 stacked =180 feet thrown . Sorta a dumb measurement probably selling wood by the ton at a certain % moisture would be better , but then there's metric and imperial ton as well lol .
What do u do with.all the bark ?
I get rid of it at a mulch production place