I can keep up with my friends on most of the trails till I hit a good up hill, then I usually need a solid couple minutes to catch my breath, having one lung sucks. So for my 38th birthday I rented a Specialized E-bike, probably the most fun I had on the trails
Speaking for myself, this old Fat man use to race his Iron Horse A Frame with - WAIT FOR IT - (Just like the rotary phone) - No Suspension. I didn’t buy my first suspension mod until Rock Shock came out with the JUDY SL. Fast forward 30 plus years I still enjoy hitting the trails, but with the amount of miles that I have racked up with the Blood Sweat n Tears buying an E-Bike just as bad if I sold my CJ with a AMC 360 for a Hybrid. I have a FS Stance and Fat Tire with the Rock Shock Bluto which is all I need to have a blast. From Winter racing downhill, summer Ski Runs to riding out in the AZ Desert I enjoy the pain of climbing hills. You can buy two sweet MTBs for the price of a upgraded E Bike. But hey if you like it and it works for you then more power to you. For those like me who have rocked the trails from the 90's (Old Fat Men) since we put in the leg work and suffered the insane climbs, I prefer the hard work.
Sounds like you've definitely put in your miles! We can see how ebikes aren't for everyone, and for a lot of people wouldn't replace their pedal bikes (but could be added to the collection for the "Lazy" days). But they sure are fun, and allow guys like us to be able to enjoy riding again. Different strokes for different folks...maybe there's a "biker's high" like runner's high that some people experience (we never have!)... As for the cost, totally on the same page... it's not a cheap hobby. We're hoping that as ebikes become more common more will be available on the used market, which would allow more people to afford to get into it - We've bought most our past pedal bikes used since they can be super pricey as well! Respect the opinion - keep hitting the trails!
Absolutely, it might make it to the collection one day, at least the setup that you have. I'm running all top components on my Stance with Maxxis Tires/Tubeless setup. I would be interested to see if someone pulls a small group together with sponsors for cross country road trip on ebikes one day. Maybe even a Transrockies 3:day race in 2021. In the meantime stay safe.
Love the channel so far, but hoping it's not only going to be about e-bikes. Not against e-bikes at all, but I'm sticking with my standard MTB for as long as I can. I'm 38 and am still subscribing to the "ticket of admission" mentality with climbing...or as you guys called it "torture" lol. In the future, and if prices drop a little, I might entertain it. To each their own and whatever gets people out is a good thing, in my eyes. Keep rollin!
Came over to the sport after road racing 5k-26.2 the last 16 years. With the pandemic and all races canceled, starting riding my old Gary Fisher and quickly realized I needed to upgrade, ended up with a SC Tallboy and love it. I like to ride hard as I am replacing my daily 7 mile run with a 2 hour bike ride. So no e-bikes for me. Happy to see another mtn bike channel! Hello from Philly. -Matt
You nailed it, couldn’t have said it better. Just wanna add one more thing is that it’s actually going to make you more excited to get back out there to ride and by the time you know you’ll start getting more fit to maybe slowly dive back into a regular bike maybe on some rides if it’s with a group of regular bikes.
Hey Guys, stumbled across your channel and really like it, this video pretty much summed up how I feel about eMTBs. You hit the nail on the head. I'm 53 have have been riding MTBs for about 20 years. In the early 2000’s I competed in a local XC race circuit in the beginner and sport classes. It was just for fun, but it it got me in pretty good shape (for where I wanted to be) no where near the level of the guys in the higher classes, but that wasn't my goal. I only raced for about 3 seasons, then just kept riding for the fun of it. With 4 kids life got busy, then they started graduating high school and getting married, and about 2016, I just wasn't getting much. Fast forward to last year, I wanted to get out riding again. I went up to a trail near my home that when I was in better shape I completed in about an hour. It is 6 miles out and back, 3 up hill about 1500 feet of climbing, then bomb the down hill for 3 miles. I went to this trail to do a baseline ride. It took me 2 hours to make the same 6 miles out and back. I live in Utah near the Fezzari shop, so went by there and rented a WirePeak for the weekend. The next day I did the same ride on the eMTB and finished in 45 minutes. I was smiling the whole time. That is when I decided I would purchase an eMTB. This spring (May) I pulled the trigger on a 2019 Turbo Levo Comp Carbon (500-watt battery) on a close out deal. It has been so much fun. As for the expense of eMTBs, they are expensive, but you can go into any Local Bike shop and find plenty of acoustic mountain bikes that are in the same $3000 to $12,000 price range and people are buying those. I'm not saying that everyone can afford that level of spend on a mountain bike. But you can spend as much as you want on any number of hobbies. I paid about the same amount for my Levo as the new Mid-range spec Fezzari Delano Peak or a Spech Stumpjumper EVO Pro 29. I had 3 motorcycles in my garage that I hadn't been riding for a few years either, so when I decided to get the Levo, I sold all three motorcycles. So it really didn't cost me any "new" money, I just switched out my gear. Now I'm out having fun on a MTB again. As for the exercise conversation. Check out this study: news.byu.edu/intellect/e-bikes-provide-intense-exercise-but-it-doesnt-feel-like-a-workout . It pretty much backs up what you were saying. Nearly the same exercise, more fun. At my age, I’m less concerned with ultra-fitness than I am with just having fun, and feeling like I can ride like I did 15 years ago. The only problem is that even all padded up, when I crash it takes me longer to recover than it did 15 years ago. No matter what you ride, ride on... hope to see you on the trail some time. Colorado really isn't too far beyond Moab!
Ron, perfect examples of why ebikes make so much sense for a lot of people! Glad you're enjoying the content! Hopefully we'll get out to your neck of the woods someday :)
Agree completely. My wife and I are 47 and me 48 and we just bought two e mountain bikes and we cant wait. We love the outdoors but just don’t have the strength to do the hills. Plus we have a travel trailer and can’t wait to explore more and further.
nice channel guys! already liking what you do on here. ebikes are a ton of fun and that's what mountain biking is all about for me. can't wait to ride my brand new 2021 mondraker crafty r. keep the content coming to get people pumped to ride their bikes!
Awesome channel guys. Glad to see some more Colorado MTB content. As someone who lives to ride, I really dig the climbs *and* the descents. For me, while I love sending it downhill, it’s also about fitness and the challenge of clearing a climb. That said, whatever gets you out on a bike is cool with me. I’d rather see more folks getting into cycling and expanding our sport than the opposite. Also hit up Buff Creek if you haven’t already. Great system that would kick ass on an EMTB.
We've ridden Buff creek before on regular bikes and it was awesome. unfortunately ebikes aren't allowed there yet, but hopefully they will be in the future.
If I had 6 grand burning a hole in my pocket... well actually I'd build up my truck first. But another 6k, I'd hop on the EMTB train for sure. In AZ, basically the easiest trails you'll find, even in the Phoenix area, are blue square with pockets of black diamond. I'm getting back into shape fairly quickly since getting a new bike, but oh my god these uphills with all the loose rocks are killer. An EMTB would make that sooo much easier lol.
I can see an ebike some day for sure, especially as the tech and access to trails improves. GT makes a good one and MTB legend Hans Rey rides it! I am still kinda into the torturous climbs though and am fatbike focused these days too. Keep ‘em coming!
I totally agree. I Re-started started mountain biking in my mid 40s after a looong hiatus with family work etc. I tried with standard mtb but it just took a lot of me after each trail ride. Fast forward, with my focus Jam2 ebike, each ride is soo much fun. I still manage to keep my HR in the 120s and above and I do get a work out of it. I feel there is a role for ebike in the group of people like myself who is not fit but would like to get out and enjoy the trail. The more people going out enjoying the great outdoor is a bonus regardless of the bikes they are on
Some bike shops are renting these e-bikes. I can't swallow the purchase price but rented a santa Cruz heckler cc e-bike for around $200 for a few days. There is nothing more fun than a good e-bike. If you can't afford to buy one, give a rental a try to get a taste of the fun.
Absolutely! I would suggest every mountain biker try one at least once. Though, once you've tasted the forbidden fruit it might be hard to not drain the bank account for one!
We've looked into those and they look rad! (Nick) Coming from a bit of a dirt bike background they seem really fun. We just haven't looked into where you can legally ride them around here. Are they only allowed on motor vehicle trails out there?
I've got a similar fat tire "mountain bike" you have and it's horrible on trails so I'm about to buy a Trek Rail this week and glad to hear how well they are working for you. I just did a backpacking trip down the CO trail and CDT and was surprised how many MTB's I saw on the trails. Would love to hit those trails on a bike!
Hey man, I’ve owned Trek Rail 7 since April and its an absolute blast! Have not had any issues with the bike and the ride is incredible. The new technology and geometry versus my old Specialized Epic Carbon 26er is night and day. I think you will very much enjoy which ever Rail version you’re looking at!
@@billb7794 Got the 5 and it's amazing. Such a fun bike to ride. Last real mountain bike I've had was an old hard tail and of course this is nowhere near comparable.
Nice vid. I have a Trek FX 4 Sport Carbon bike and a Juiced scrambler e-bike. I use the Trek for 3 days out of the week for fitness and my Juiced for fun on the weekends. I do plan on getting a real mountain e-bike like a Trek Rail or Specialized Levo so I can hit up some really hard trails.
Really the only problem with e-bikes is in a safety manner in regards to two directional trails. People are already descending fast and then you add the increased speed of an e-bike both down and uphill... also I've noticed it can put people that don't really know how to bike on trails that they shouldn't be biking on because they're on an eBike and haven't developed the experience or skill. Mike love the content always, great video!
Yeah, decent points for sure. Usually when we're on two directional trails we'll have the first rider have their bell on. And we also take it pretty easy on blind turns.
Nice! we've been wanting to try and SL to see how they compare. Mike has a setup to charge via solar that I'm sure we'll test once we go on a overland/biking adventure.
I switched to emtbs from my analog bikes and I'll never turn back.. I'll be getting a superlight embt like the rise or kenevo/levo sl or trek rail ex-e to go with my levo. I also keep at least 140 bpm + for 1-2 hours 4-5 days a week. My riding has gotten way better just because you're riding more, not only more days but more of the trail more often. The upside and downside of that is crashing obv. as any mtbers knows, a crash is bound to happen at some point. The more you ride, the higher the probability. You're getting better on the bike (even if you have been riding 20 years +) so stupid crashes don't happen as often but as progression goes.. you start doing harder features more often.. you might do the same drop 10 times more in a week than you would have normally. That means you can go down 9 times more, or not at all.. but it's still a possibility. That's not to say you will, just know that you more you ride a trail.. the more the possibility is there. I'll still take progression any day of the week or I wouldn't be riding. Just know that if you're getting one and have to be careful for work etc etc etc. Sometimes you'll get in over your head much quicker because you progress a an exponential rate.
Y’all should check out and review the mountain bike park in Angel Fire NM. My friends and I take a weekend trip once a year ride. Pretty sweet with different levels of difficulty in the trails.
Hell yah!!! Just got myself an Ebike after mtbiking hardcore since 2005. The smoke here in Northern Ca hindered my ebiking though but thats OK. Hope I can visit CO next time and we can go ebiking!!!
MTB CO My first was EUNORAU 48v1000w Fat HD All Terrain, it’s heavy, but a long ride monster Then I needed a fold and decided on the SONDORS Torch Fold XS and absolutely love that bike, loads of fun Then needed to get my wife back out and on a bike since she hasn’t been on bike ride since a teenager....got her a JUICED Scorpion... Wow... I actually ride that little ball of fun more than she does, even seriously considering getting me a Hyper Scorpion !!! 😜I know I’m crazy right !!! But man having so much fun and lastly I’m waiting on my newest October delivery of the new SONDORS Nova RockStar, I was so impressed with the Fold XS So there ya go... that’s my story and I’m stick’n to it !!! Thanks for y’all’s great vid really enjoyed it.... I’m a 4 time back surgery survivor and it was literally a nightmare I couldn’t wake up from that stole 10 years of my life,BUT I AM BACK !!! Thank you Jesus 🙏
@@ricklopez3502 I was really looking forward to the Luna X1, and I think the bike would be really fun and a great starting point to upgrade components later if you need. However, it's not technically legal on any of the trails in CO since it's not a class 1 or 2 bike (it's not really a class at all since it's not speed governed). I ended up finding a great deal on a slightly used emtb that is more in line with the levo and heckler so our group will all be on a more even playing field. I wish I had the means to also get the Luna just to mess around on though! If you haven't already, definitely check out the thread on it here. electricbike.com/forum/forum/knowledge-base/bikes-aa/93790-luna-x-1-enduro-fs-ebike It has a ton of good info on the bike! Hope that helps!
MTB CO Thanks for all of that info, appreciate it!! I’m just getting into the emtb world and didn’t even know about the Luna X1 until I saw your last vid. I live in CA, so I’ll have to check into different trail legalities. Look forward to seeing your next emtb adventure. One day I’ll need to check out those CO trails.
I've always been a hardcore workout guy, I wanted 'jelly legs' (legs trembling) after every mountain bike ride so I could be sure I got a supreme workout. Then I got quadriceps tendonitis in my knees - no more 'jelly legs' workouts. I'm buying an e-bike soon so I can keep riding and get moderate workouts. I'm looking at the Trek 2021 Rail 5 e-bike. Moderately priced (ha) at $5,000
you should make a video on how you get a tech job that let you afford this haha. i assume you live near Denver or Boulder. ive been thinking of that or utah and do pretty much the same thing - but jobs are sparse compared to the bay area.
Since the covid shutdown started we haven't been lifting as much. I (Nick) haven't really lifted much since the birth of my daughter (hence the dad bod!) so I need to get back into it, but I know Mike has a little home gym he's put together while the gyms were closed. He'd maybe be down to do a video like that sometime on his main channel LLOD.
There are definitely some trails in CO that still restrict them... but there are so many other good trails that do allow them, so we still have plenty of options. What areas are you seeing that they are not allowed?
@@mtbco8327 All of SEDONA, AZ restricts e-mtbs. When I use the Mtb Project & Trailforks apps and choose e-bike trails there are hardly any that show up in Big Bear CA, Sedona, AZ & Durango, CO... and the ones that do show for e-bikes are fire roads and motocross trails.
@@chriskidder9531 oh boy , i ride 300 miles a week and i used to do more when i was still activly racing , so am i tough enough for you? and now i want a ebike for awesome donwhill trails with super steep hills so i can do it more then 2 times and learn faster downhill techniques. all this negative blown up ego bullshit i cant hear anymore. its because they destroy the trails more , at least thats what i found out.
Dang it! I have a nice full-suspension, non-e-bike I spent $3000 for but I got to say I would love to try out an e-bike. Need to find a place that would rent them to try out. Thanks for the video guys. Keep them coming. I don't think the video was too long considering the amount of explanation involved. Found a great e-bike with good specs here: www.canyon.com/en-us/e-bikes/e-mountain-bikes/spectral-on/spectral-on-cf-7.0/2260.html?dwvar_2260_pv_rahmenfarbe=BK%2FGY#all-components-section-tab
There are some racks that are more suitable for ebikes and their extra weight, but we haven't tried any yet. You can also take out the batteries on most bikes and lighten the load around 7-10lbs if need be.
@@mtbco8327 Awesome! love the new channel, I have a similar friend group who shares hobbies such as overlanding, shooting, gaming ,cars etc so I love your content!
I bought a Swagman eBike specific rack for my fifth wheel from eTrailer.com. It can handle my Trek Rail 7 and my wife’s Ride 1UP Series 7 eBike cruiser, with batteries without a problem. Great site that has all kinds of items you may need for trailing your ebikes from anything. Got a 4 bike cover on line to keep it covered while driving and while not in use at camp sites (so people can’t see the bikes and want to steal them), had to use the 4 bike one due to the geometry of the Rail 7. Once I got it dialed in, worked fantastically!
A lot of these trails look familiar. I’m in it for the workout but ain’t gonna lie, it would be sweet to do the DH not spent and having sweat dripping down the front of my helmet like Niagara Falls. Lol
I just ordered my second eBike after more than two years shredding my first one on trails and I agree with you completely: eBikes are for people wanting to have more fun on the trails. It’s also the ultimate workout machine, with an eBike we control the effort, while on a normal pedal bike the hills are in control of our effort which, ultimately, does more harm than good.
Yeah, E-bokes are awesome, specially the ones like that specialized. But they are pricy. If I had the money, I would get thst specialized bike of yours. But I will stick to my $400 giant mtb until I can spend that much on a bike.
A group EMTB ride would be awesome. A few fans of the channel and go ride. Not sure if that would be your guys thing and I would get it if it's not but it'd be killer. Enjoying the new channel, look forward to new content guys.
Hey to those CO EMTBers. I’m from Parker, CO and a buddy and I are always looking for a fun group ride. We’ve ridden many front range trails from Pueblo to Curt Gowdy (WY). We’ve got to find a way to get some Front Range group rides together! Since I’m a brewer as well, I’ve always got a couple of growlers ready for post ride celebrations! Would be very interested in meeting new EMTBers!
How do you cope with the no E-BIKE regulations, signs and possible penalty of bike confiscation and fines? Are these in addition to your regular MTBs ??? Given the expense of good mtb e-bikes and good analog mtbs (carbon long travels with descent components for both) most people cant afford to have the best of both worlds...
A lot of the trails are allowing emtbs now (class-1) as they don't do any more damage than a normal bike. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't ride them. The forestry service already approved them for most trails, BLM already did.. In CA most places you can ride a regular bike you can ride a emtb.. including the bike parks. I know some big national parks are going through the process of gathering data and rider input on the environmental impact, it's been in total support of the class-1's so I'd assume in the very near future class-1 will be allowed on every trail a regular bike is allowed. Class-2 and Class-3 absolutely not. Those are reserved for OVT only.. and it should stay that way..
If you asked me 4 months ago what do I think about ebikes I would of said you lazy f@#$. But three months ago I had my world rocked by riding one of the specialized with a friend who had to buy two of them just to convince people how much fun they are . Well two months ago I bought a brand new HaiBike allmtn 2.0 xduro . It reminds me of my first bmx huffy I got when I was 6 years old, you couldn’t get me off that bike well that’s how I feel now but I’m 45 hahaha instead of climbing the same peak I’m going to the next beyond that one.Everyone should own an Ebike
I have nothing against e bikes but man the prices are crazy! I feel like if they were somehow more affordable I would hop on one. With that kinda of money why would you not just buy a dirt bike??
Most high end pedal mtb are pretty pricey as well. You can find some direct to consumer ebikes that are cheaper than the big brands, but yeah still not cheap! I'd like to have a dirt bike and ebike, but the wife would murder me!
On turbo levo for a year never ride regular bike again been mtb since 1987,100percent fun fun fun fun ,not a free ride negative people will see all pro riders love em👍👍
e bikes are great once they’re de restricted they get boring after 4-5 months and only become good for uphills, you get blown away on the straights by non e bikes and a regular bike is just as quick if not quicker down hill
E bikes rule 👍👍👍👍👍👍exactly u ride twice as much ,faster too ,new climbs u could never think of doing on regular mtb impossible 😉 and u don't have the negative aspects of climbing it is now fun really fun
You guys explain it the same way I explain why at 55, I bought my Trek Rail 7. Despite the fact I’m in good shape and rode most people I know into the dirt, I’d sort of stopped riding where as now I’m out a couple of time per week at least. Add to it, the new technology and geometry compared to my old Specialized S-Works Epic Carbon 26er is like a new Porsche to a Model T. I burn just as many calories as I did on my old bike but its significantly more fun this way!
No way your heart rate is 150 on average . I ride and work hard in my climbs in Squamish bc and my average hard rate is like 140. If my heart rate in an e bike was 150 I would get one. No, you do t get much of a work out riding these bikes I’m sorry...lol but nice try guys haha. Unless your totally out of shape . They are fun yes !!!and you can get out if you have limited time but don’t let any tell you they are very good for your fitness . I don’t look at climbing as torture I look at it as a challenge.
Lol. You are in fact wrong. Or I guess there is the very real possibility that everyone who rides e-bikes' heart rate monitors are wrong. If you've never ridden one, or don't really understand how they work, it might be confusing - but it's really pretty simple. Say on an acoustic bike you pedal with 100w average power up an incline and that allows you to go 4mph. With an e-bike, you pedal with that same 100w from your legs, and your motor puts in another 200w - allowing you to go 12mph up the hill. Since you're putting in 100w of power from your legs, you have the same heart rate, are burning the same calories, and are going 3x the speed on the inclines. On the downhills, you're burning about the same calories and going about the same speed. So hopefully you are understanding now conceptually - it's quite simple.
Last Line Of Defense anyone that rides them passed me up a hill are not panting or sweating...that’s a fact haha. Sure if your are killing it cause your stoked about having a new e bike and you want to prove to the world they are better than a mtb for fitness than sure. but riding that pace will soon wear off and you will start lolly gaging up the hill like everyone else and not break a sweat. Your in the honeymoon stage . Your mind will not let you keep that pace going up the hill when it know it doesn’t have to work that hard lol. Then all your fitness talk will end . You will see Whereas a real mtb you have to work if you want to get to the top and there is no two ways about it.
You know what bud, you are absolutely wrong 😂 and here is why: 1. If someone WANTS to workout and has an e-bike for some reason, he can simply turn the bike off and not only he can get a good workout, but he will burn so much more calories compared to using a normal bike because E-bike is heavier. So here is for the workout 2. Let’s say a person can burn 1000 calories in one sessions before he rips apart and dies on the ground. Now here is what happens, he can burn that X amount of calories (in this example 1000) in 5 miles using a normal bike OR he can burn the same amount of calories in 100 miles on an e-bike. 3. Since you can use less energy on an e-bike, you will be able to ride longer which equates to MORE fun, more adventure and surprise surprise, more workout and calorie burning due to the WAY longer ride 😬 Conclusion: Dumb people (who are plenty out there these days) think you can’t lose weight, burn fat/calories, or get a workout on an e-bike. The reason they think like that is: 1. They cannot afford an e-bike 2. They have never even tested one 3. They can’t even test if they want because maybe they live in a rural area where they deal with sheep and cow more than technology and devices 4. They most probably are not educated and that is why they can’t logically understand the relation between workout longer but less intense is equal to working out harder but in a short period of time I hope people get educated and try to use their brains (if they have any) so they don’t embarrass themselves by showing how dumb they are 😂
If you are older or you have a straight up disability I get using an ebike but if you are a perfectly regular person ride a real goddamn bike instead of being lazy. Also at 15:50 you have it totally wrong about all mountain bikers hating ebikes because they like feeling rewarded for the downhill which lots of people do but lots of mountain bikers hate ebikes because they don’t want to support people taking the amazing sport of actual MTB and then making a version of it that takes out so many important factors.
We're definitely not in great mtb shape, so for guys that only have time to ride on weekends it would have been rough on pedal bikes! But yeah, it's not a crazy climb or ridiculously long...our buddy that rides multiple times a week went up no problem on one. It's mostly about the time spent climbing. Had he been on an ebike we could have gone up it close to twice as fast and had more time for the downhill.
“trails in California are flatter than in Colorado” - this is kind of a flawed statement. Problem is California is wayyyy too varied. There’s parts way flatter than CO, and other parts more rugged than CO. Need to specify what part of CA you’re talking about when you make a statement like that.
CA flat?! You are smoking! I regularly ride 1500-3000ft each ride! You are using excuses to justify your lack of exercise and the purchase of a $6k bike when a $2k bike can do everything the $6k bike does. You aren’t fooling anyone, you got the e-bikes because it’s whole lot more fun without all the extra work. I have learned to enjoy the grind and the pain while climbing. It’s a challenge and challenges is where I thrive. Nothing like reaching the summit after a heart-pounding climb. I also love the technical aspect of climbing. Look, if you were 60+ I wouldn’t blink, but at your age you should be on a standard trail bike if exercise is a priority. I bet I can keep up at with your $6k bike on my aluminum Marin Rift Zone 2. And if you are wondering what my experience is with e-Bikes, I helped my brother built one by converting a standard MTB to a mid drive eBike.
A. We're are specifically talking about trails in Chico CA, where we lived - which don't have near the amount of elevation gain of CO trails. B. We literally said we are biking for fun and ebikes make it more fun... but you can still get a workout - don't forget that part :) C. That's cool that you like pain and suffering while doing an enjoyable hobby, we'd just rather have more fun while doing it! D. If you think you can keep up with a 750watt ebike on a long climb then you must be the be the best cyclist on the planet, so props on that!
If you are going to discuss Chico, say Chico not CA. CA is a big state. You spend like 10 min talking about fitness which leads me to believe that it’s one of many reasons behind your decision to buy an ebike. Then you admit you are too lazy to pedal a regular bike. You bring up your age as if you are too old to ride a regular bike. I don’t buy it. I think, as you guys have admitted, you are too lazy. Lol, I burn over 1k cal in less than 1.5hrs. Also, your eBike is probably pushing 50lbs so that 750W has to push more weight. Power delivery is only a portion of riding well and riding fast. A lot comes down to the rider, the experience, and the mountain bike set up (suspension and tires being dialed in, etc). I think too often we try to justify our purchase with whatever reasons we can come up with. I just think it’s important to be honest with yourself because you are the only one losing when you are lying to yourself. I like your finishing comments when you clarify that it’s all about fun for you, that’s honesty. My last ride 13.3 miles, 2,167ft elevation gain, 1:26:04 moving time, avg power 194W, avg speed 9.3mph, 1119 cal burn. Napa, Ca. If exercise is a goal, you don’t NEED an ebike.
Sorry guys, cant do it. Avid mountain biker, (real mountain bikes) and almost 50 years old. Granted I live in Michigan, not Colorado. But we still got some climbs. But still, in the first six minutes all I hear are excuses to not get in shape when it really doesnt take that long. I bet a week or two and you would be climbing everything in site. Work at it in stages. At least your being honest, I'll give you that and for the most part Im just ribbing you. Ride what you got and enjoy it. Just remember...down hill runs are earned by the climb to get up there 😉
There are absolutely some excuses in there ;) But really, it's hard for us to find time to ride enough to get into the shape it would require to make the climbs more bearable. Both with full time jobs, kids, and other life obligations, it's hard to get out more than once a week -- yes, more excuses! Even if we had that time to get into great climbing shape, we'd still be riding ebikes. For us, the increased amount of enjoyment on the climbs, the time saved climbing, and ability to explore more places with ease just makes it a no brainer for us. Like we say in the video, you can definitely earn a climb on an ebike. Turn the assistance all the way down, or off if you want to really push yourself. We know there are many out there that share your opinion though, and we're all just in it for the fun of biking! Have you tried an emtb before?
I have actually, it was ok, and a few years ago. Honestly, dont have the bank account for one. I getthe time thing, like I said, I'll be 50 next year so kids are older and we ride together. Im still faster than both of them 😂
I can keep up with my friends on most of the trails till I hit a good up hill, then I usually need a solid couple minutes to catch my breath, having one lung sucks. So for my 38th birthday I rented a Specialized E-bike, probably the most fun I had on the trails
Speaking for myself, this old Fat man use to race his Iron Horse A Frame with - WAIT FOR IT - (Just like the rotary phone) - No Suspension. I didn’t buy my first suspension mod until Rock Shock came out with the JUDY SL.
Fast forward 30 plus years I still enjoy hitting the trails, but with the amount of miles that I have racked up with the Blood Sweat n Tears buying an E-Bike just as bad if I sold my CJ with a AMC 360 for a Hybrid.
I have a FS Stance and Fat Tire with the Rock Shock Bluto which is all I need to have a blast. From Winter racing downhill, summer Ski Runs to riding out in the AZ Desert I enjoy the pain of climbing hills. You can buy two sweet MTBs for the price of a upgraded E Bike. But hey if you like it and it works for you then more power to you. For those like me who have rocked the trails from the 90's (Old Fat Men) since we put in the leg work and suffered the insane climbs, I prefer the hard work.
Sounds like you've definitely put in your miles! We can see how ebikes aren't for everyone, and for a lot of people wouldn't replace their pedal bikes (but could be added to the collection for the "Lazy" days). But they sure are fun, and allow guys like us to be able to enjoy riding again.
Different strokes for different folks...maybe there's a "biker's high" like runner's high that some people experience (we never have!)...
As for the cost, totally on the same page... it's not a cheap hobby. We're hoping that as ebikes become more common more will be available on the used market, which would allow more people to afford to get into it - We've bought most our past pedal bikes used since they can be super pricey as well!
Respect the opinion - keep hitting the trails!
Absolutely, it might make it to the collection one day, at least the setup that you have.
I'm running all top components on my Stance with Maxxis Tires/Tubeless setup.
I would be interested to see if someone pulls a small group together with sponsors for cross country road trip on ebikes one day. Maybe even a Transrockies 3:day race in 2021.
In the meantime stay safe.
Love the channel so far, but hoping it's not only going to be about e-bikes. Not against e-bikes at all, but I'm sticking with my standard MTB for as long as I can. I'm 38 and am still subscribing to the "ticket of admission" mentality with climbing...or as you guys called it "torture" lol. In the future, and if prices drop a little, I might entertain it. To each their own and whatever gets people out is a good thing, in my eyes. Keep rollin!
Came over to the sport after road racing 5k-26.2 the last 16 years. With the pandemic and all races canceled, starting riding my old Gary Fisher and quickly realized I needed to upgrade, ended up with a SC Tallboy and love it. I like to ride hard as I am replacing my daily 7 mile run with a 2 hour bike ride. So no e-bikes for me. Happy to see another mtn bike channel! Hello from Philly. -Matt
Wish we had the time to ride that often!
Hi Nick, so grateful you encouraged Mike to start this channel
Glad you're stoked about it! We'll try and put out content as much as possible!
Damn Mike! Call your boy out with “Cheap front shocks!!” 😂
haha. it's true though :(
If you don't dig on your friends, are they even your friends?
You nailed it, couldn’t have said it better. Just wanna add one more thing is that it’s actually going to make you more excited to get back out there to ride and by the time you know you’ll start getting more fit to maybe slowly dive back into a regular bike maybe on some rides if it’s with a group of regular bikes.
Hey Guys, stumbled across your channel and really like it, this video pretty much summed up how I feel about eMTBs. You hit the nail on the head. I'm 53 have have been riding MTBs for about 20 years. In the early 2000’s I competed in a local XC race circuit in the beginner and sport classes. It was just for fun, but it it got me in pretty good shape (for where I wanted to be) no where near the level of the guys in the higher classes, but that wasn't my goal.
I only raced for about 3 seasons, then just kept riding for the fun of it. With 4 kids life got busy, then they started graduating high school and getting married, and about 2016, I just wasn't getting much. Fast forward to last year, I wanted to get out riding again. I went up to a trail near my home that when I was in better shape I completed in about an hour. It is 6 miles out and back, 3 up hill about 1500 feet of climbing, then bomb the down hill for 3 miles. I went to this trail to do a baseline ride. It took me 2 hours to make the same 6 miles out and back. I live in Utah near the Fezzari shop, so went by there and rented a WirePeak for the weekend. The next day I did the same ride on the eMTB and finished in 45 minutes. I was smiling the whole time. That is when I decided I would purchase an eMTB. This spring (May) I pulled the trigger on a 2019 Turbo Levo Comp Carbon (500-watt battery) on a close out deal. It has been so much fun.
As for the expense of eMTBs, they are expensive, but you can go into any Local Bike shop and find plenty of acoustic mountain bikes that are in the same $3000 to $12,000 price range and people are buying those. I'm not saying that everyone can afford that level of spend on a mountain bike. But you can spend as much as you want on any number of hobbies. I paid about the same amount for my Levo as the new Mid-range spec Fezzari Delano Peak or a Spech Stumpjumper EVO Pro 29. I had 3 motorcycles in my garage that I hadn't been riding for a few years either, so when I decided to get the Levo, I sold all three motorcycles. So it really didn't cost me any "new" money, I just switched out my gear. Now I'm out having fun on a MTB again.
As for the exercise conversation. Check out this study: news.byu.edu/intellect/e-bikes-provide-intense-exercise-but-it-doesnt-feel-like-a-workout . It pretty much backs up what you were saying. Nearly the same exercise, more fun. At my age, I’m less concerned with ultra-fitness than I am with just having fun, and feeling like I can ride like I did 15 years ago. The only problem is that even all padded up, when I crash it takes me longer to recover than it did 15 years ago.
No matter what you ride, ride on... hope to see you on the trail some time. Colorado really isn't too far beyond Moab!
Ron, perfect examples of why ebikes make so much sense for a lot of people! Glad you're enjoying the content! Hopefully we'll get out to your neck of the woods someday :)
Really good review guys. Thank you
Nice job,... looking forward to the channel.
Appreciate it! Was my (Nick) first attempt at video editing so I definitely have a lot to learn!
Agree completely. My wife and I are 47 and me 48 and we just bought two e mountain bikes and we cant wait. We love the outdoors but just don’t have the strength to do the hills. Plus we have a travel trailer and can’t wait to explore more and further.
nice channel guys! already liking what you do on here. ebikes are a ton of fun and that's what mountain biking is all about for me. can't wait to ride my brand new 2021 mondraker crafty r. keep the content coming to get people pumped to ride their bikes!
Appreciate it!
Really great conversation guys appreciate the information
Any time!
Awesome channel guys. Glad to see some more Colorado MTB content. As someone who lives to ride, I really dig the climbs *and* the descents. For me, while I love sending it downhill, it’s also about fitness and the challenge of clearing a climb. That said, whatever gets you out on a bike is cool with me. I’d rather see more folks getting into cycling and expanding our sport than the opposite. Also hit up Buff Creek if you haven’t already. Great system that would kick ass on an EMTB.
We've ridden Buff creek before on regular bikes and it was awesome. unfortunately ebikes aren't allowed there yet, but hopefully they will be in the future.
If I had 6 grand burning a hole in my pocket... well actually I'd build up my truck first. But another 6k, I'd hop on the EMTB train for sure. In AZ, basically the easiest trails you'll find, even in the Phoenix area, are blue square with pockets of black diamond. I'm getting back into shape fairly quickly since getting a new bike, but oh my god these uphills with all the loose rocks are killer. An EMTB would make that sooo much easier lol.
I can see an ebike some day for sure, especially as the tech and access to trails improves. GT makes a good one and MTB legend Hans Rey rides it! I am still kinda into the torturous climbs though and am fatbike focused these days too. Keep ‘em coming!
The GT Force does look like a sweet bike! I like their acronym EFI (electric fun injection), ha. We got one of those masochists over here! Haha
Great video, I found it really informative.
I totally agree. I Re-started started mountain biking in my mid 40s after a looong hiatus with family work etc. I tried with standard mtb but it just took a lot of me after each trail ride.
Fast forward, with my focus Jam2 ebike, each ride is soo much fun. I still manage to keep my HR in the 120s and above and I do get a work out of it.
I feel there is a role for ebike in the group of people like myself who is not fit but would like to get out and enjoy the trail.
The more people going out enjoying the great outdoor is a bonus regardless of the bikes they are on
Some bike shops are renting these e-bikes. I can't swallow the purchase price but rented a santa Cruz heckler cc e-bike for around $200 for a few days. There is nothing more fun than a good e-bike. If you can't afford to buy one, give a rental a try to get a taste of the fun.
Absolutely! I would suggest every mountain biker try one at least once. Though, once you've tasted the forbidden fruit it might be hard to not drain the bank account for one!
I couldn't agree more.
@@mtbco8327 that's exactly how many people feel about owning a Tesla.
15 years fast forward.. price and technology has improved dramatically. I’m coming straight from 26inch to a 29er Enduro and I LOVE IT!!!!
Try a sur ron. We use ours as scout bikes in AZ. Two fit perfect in our 5th gen for overlanding. Nice vid
We've looked into those and they look rad! (Nick) Coming from a bit of a dirt bike background they seem really fun. We just haven't looked into where you can legally ride them around here. Are they only allowed on motor vehicle trails out there?
I've got a similar fat tire "mountain bike" you have and it's horrible on trails so I'm about to buy a Trek Rail this week and glad to hear how well they are working for you. I just did a backpacking trip down the CO trail and CDT and was surprised how many MTB's I saw on the trails. Would love to hit those trails on a bike!
Hey man, I’ve owned Trek Rail 7 since April and its an absolute blast! Have not had any issues with the bike and the ride is incredible. The new technology and geometry versus my old Specialized Epic Carbon 26er is night and day. I think you will very much enjoy which ever Rail version you’re looking at!
@@billb7794 Got the 5 and it's amazing. Such a fun bike to ride. Last real mountain bike I've had was an old hard tail and of course this is nowhere near comparable.
Nice, I rode the 5 too, but went with the 7 mostly for the bigger battery cause I ride with my wife after my trail rides often. Enjoy it Rick!
Nice vid. I have a Trek FX 4 Sport Carbon bike and a Juiced scrambler e-bike. I use the Trek for 3 days out of the week for fitness and my Juiced for fun on the weekends. I do plan on getting a real mountain e-bike like a Trek Rail or Specialized Levo so I can hit up some really hard trails.
Either of those bikes would be a great choice! I can't imagine going back to an acoustic bike after seeing how much fun ebikes are :)
Really the only problem with e-bikes is in a safety manner in regards to two directional trails. People are already descending fast and then you add the increased speed of an e-bike both down and uphill... also I've noticed it can put people that don't really know how to bike on trails that they shouldn't be biking on because they're on an eBike and haven't developed the experience or skill. Mike love the content always, great video!
Yeah, decent points for sure. Usually when we're on two directional trails we'll have the first rider have their bell on. And we also take it pretty easy on blind turns.
There’s a neighbor of mine that is 70yrs old and mtb every other weekend which I give him props.
Ready to ride that sweet backyard trail! 😀👍
WoW, a couple Old Timers!! Ride On Guys :-)
Old timers? These are kids man.
Hey if you ever ride bikes in the area around Colorado Springs I'll tag along with my old heavy specialized.
We'll probably make our way down there someday!
Hey, I went to Chico St! Nice to see fellow Wildcats!
Right on! What year were you there?
Do you have a way to charge your bikes off grid? Great vid guys. Just bought a Levo SL E bike myself.
Nice! we've been wanting to try and SL to see how they compare. Mike has a setup to charge via solar that I'm sure we'll test once we go on a overland/biking adventure.
I switched to emtbs from my analog bikes and I'll never turn back.. I'll be getting a superlight embt like the rise or kenevo/levo sl or trek rail ex-e to go with my levo.
I also keep at least 140 bpm + for 1-2 hours 4-5 days a week. My riding has gotten way better just because you're riding more, not only more days but more of the trail more often.
The upside and downside of that is crashing obv. as any mtbers knows, a crash is bound to happen at some point. The more you ride, the higher the probability. You're getting better on the bike (even if you have been riding 20 years +) so stupid crashes don't happen as often but as progression goes.. you start doing harder features more often.. you might do the same drop 10 times more in a week than you would have normally. That means you can go down 9 times more, or not at all.. but it's still a possibility. That's not to say you will, just know that you more you ride a trail.. the more the possibility is there. I'll still take progression any day of the week or I wouldn't be riding. Just know that if you're getting one and have to be careful for work etc etc etc. Sometimes you'll get in over your head much quicker because you progress a an exponential rate.
Great video guys u hit the nail on the head 👏 👍
Y’all should check out and review the mountain bike park in Angel Fire NM. My friends and I take a weekend trip once a year ride. Pretty sweet with different levels of difficulty in the trails.
Nice, we'll have to look into that. Maybe do a weekend trip down there sometime!
Hell yeah Mike, great work!
Do a video of that 3rd gen!
Ha, I'll probably do a video on it someday!
Hell yah!!! Just got myself an Ebike after mtbiking hardcore since 2005. The smoke here in Northern Ca hindered my ebiking though but thats OK. Hope I can visit CO next time and we can go ebiking!!!
Nice!! what bike you pickup? The smoke is hitting CO pretty hard right now as well, so hopefully we both get rain soon!
Have 3 now.... and Absolutely LOVE EM !!!
What 3 do you have?
MTB CO
My first was EUNORAU 48v1000w Fat HD All Terrain, it’s heavy, but a long ride monster
Then I needed a fold and decided on the SONDORS Torch Fold XS and absolutely love that bike, loads of fun
Then needed to get my wife back out and on a bike since she hasn’t been on bike ride since a teenager....got her a JUICED Scorpion... Wow... I actually ride that little ball of fun more than she does, even seriously considering getting me a Hyper Scorpion !!! 😜I know I’m crazy right !!! But man having so much fun and lastly I’m waiting on my newest October delivery of the new SONDORS Nova RockStar, I was so impressed with the Fold XS
So there ya go... that’s my story and I’m stick’n to it !!!
Thanks for y’all’s great vid really enjoyed it.... I’m a 4 time back surgery survivor and it was literally a nightmare I couldn’t wake up from that stole 10 years of my life,BUT I AM BACK !!! Thank you Jesus 🙏
@@apatriotofhopedanjohn4781 That is quite the collection! That is awesome that you're able to get back on the trails!
MTB CO
Amen to that and Thanks again guys... and by the way I’m a new subscriber 👍
Nick, did you order your X1 Enduro with Ludicrous mode and/or silent drive upgrade? Love the new channel by the way!!
I actually cancelled my pre-order at the last minute. I'll explain why in the a video in the near future.
MTB CO I literally just pre-ordered last night. Hope I didn’t make a mistake, did you find a better option??
@@ricklopez3502 I was really looking forward to the Luna X1, and I think the bike would be really fun and a great starting point to upgrade components later if you need. However, it's not technically legal on any of the trails in CO since it's not a class 1 or 2 bike (it's not really a class at all since it's not speed governed). I ended up finding a great deal on a slightly used emtb that is more in line with the levo and heckler so our group will all be on a more even playing field. I wish I had the means to also get the Luna just to mess around on though!
If you haven't already, definitely check out the thread on it here. electricbike.com/forum/forum/knowledge-base/bikes-aa/93790-luna-x-1-enduro-fs-ebike
It has a ton of good info on the bike! Hope that helps!
MTB CO Thanks for all of that info, appreciate it!! I’m just getting into the emtb world and didn’t even know about the Luna X1 until I saw your last vid. I live in CA, so I’ll have to check into different trail legalities. Look forward to seeing your next emtb adventure. One day I’ll need to check out those CO trails.
I've always been a hardcore workout guy, I wanted 'jelly legs' (legs trembling) after every mountain bike ride so I could be sure I got a supreme workout. Then I got quadriceps tendonitis in my knees - no more 'jelly legs' workouts. I'm buying an e-bike soon so I can keep riding and get moderate workouts. I'm looking at the Trek 2021 Rail 5 e-bike. Moderately priced (ha) at $5,000
Have you noticed you need a more comfortable seat for your ebike?
The one on my cheaper bike is pretty plush with gel, so no. The one on the levo and heckler aren't quite as comfy but still not bad!
you should make a video on how you get a tech job that let you afford this haha. i assume you live near Denver or Boulder. ive been thinking of that or utah and do pretty much the same thing - but jobs are sparse compared to the bay area.
ha, yeah Denver has a pretty good tech scene for jobs. Even so, these bikes are still rough on the bank account!
Do you guys still lift weights? If so, ya'll should post some workout videos!
Since the covid shutdown started we haven't been lifting as much. I (Nick) haven't really lifted much since the birth of my daughter (hence the dad bod!) so I need to get back into it, but I know Mike has a little home gym he's put together while the gyms were closed. He'd maybe be down to do a video like that sometime on his main channel LLOD.
Are you asking, "DO YOU EVEN LIFT?!"
I’m finding more and more trails NOT allowing EMTBs on them.
There are definitely some trails in CO that still restrict them... but there are so many other good trails that do allow them, so we still have plenty of options. What areas are you seeing that they are not allowed?
@@mtbco8327 All of SEDONA, AZ restricts e-mtbs. When I use the Mtb Project & Trailforks apps and choose e-bike trails there are hardly any that show up in Big Bear CA, Sedona, AZ & Durango, CO... and the ones that do show for e-bikes are fire roads and motocross trails.
what is the reason for that ?
@G K because they are not real bikes and they are for people that are to lazy to ride up a hill
@@chriskidder9531 oh boy , i ride 300 miles a week and i used to do more when i was still activly racing , so am i tough enough for you? and now i want a ebike for awesome donwhill trails with super steep hills so i can do it more then 2 times and learn faster downhill techniques. all this negative blown up ego bullshit i cant hear anymore. its because they destroy the trails more , at least thats what i found out.
Dang it! I have a nice full-suspension, non-e-bike I spent $3000 for but I got to say I would love to try out an e-bike. Need to find a place that would rent them to try out. Thanks for the video guys. Keep them coming. I don't think the video was too long considering the amount of explanation involved.
Found a great e-bike with good specs here: www.canyon.com/en-us/e-bikes/e-mountain-bikes/spectral-on/spectral-on-cf-7.0/2260.html?dwvar_2260_pv_rahmenfarbe=BK%2FGY#all-components-section-tab
Appreciate it! Be warned, if you try one you'll likely want to bust out the credit card to get one ;) Heard the Canyons are great bikes.
Would love a basic get mountain biking video.
Dude! I would love to ride with you! Floyd hill is super fun!
Cliffhanger ending LOL!
6 grand for a bike? I thought my 1500 dollar cannondale was expensive. Mike, you like to drop the cash my man! Haha
Bart Scully yes but that’s probably one of your few hobbies.
Does an E-Bike work on Trailer Hitch Bike Carriers?
There are some racks that are more suitable for ebikes and their extra weight, but we haven't tried any yet. You can also take out the batteries on most bikes and lighten the load around 7-10lbs if need be.
@@mtbco8327 Awesome! love the new channel, I have a similar friend group who shares hobbies such as overlanding, shooting, gaming ,cars etc so I love your content!
@@benjaminhinkle9390 Really appreciate it!
I bought a Swagman eBike specific rack for my fifth wheel from eTrailer.com. It can handle my Trek Rail 7 and my wife’s Ride 1UP Series 7 eBike cruiser, with batteries without a problem. Great site that has all kinds of items you may need for trailing your ebikes from anything. Got a 4 bike cover on line to keep it covered while driving and while not in use at camp sites (so people can’t see the bikes and want to steal them), had to use the 4 bike one due to the geometry of the Rail 7. Once I got it dialed in, worked fantastically!
A lot of these trails look familiar. I’m in it for the workout but ain’t gonna lie, it would be sweet to do the DH not spent and having sweat dripping down the front of my helmet like Niagara Falls. Lol
go in eco and get the best of both worlds!
im down with the price and im down with e bikes. im not down with the locations u can ride them.
I just ordered my second eBike after more than two years shredding my first one on trails and I agree with you completely: eBikes are for people wanting to have more fun on the trails. It’s also the ultimate workout machine, with an eBike we control the effort, while on a normal pedal bike the hills are in control of our effort which, ultimately, does more harm than good.
Thanks guys, definitely getting a ebike..just not 6000 lol
Yeah, E-bokes are awesome, specially the ones like that specialized. But they are pricy. If I had the money, I would get thst specialized bike of yours. But I will stick to my $400 giant mtb until I can spend that much on a bike.
What trail is that? Looks awesome.
Floyd Hill in Evergreen CO. Will be doing a more in depth video on it soon!
Sorry. Spoke too soon. Asked in beginning of video
A group EMTB ride would be awesome. A few fans of the channel and go ride. Not sure if that would be your guys thing and I would get it if it's not but it'd be killer. Enjoying the new channel, look forward to new content guys.
@@mikebouwman6543 I'll talk to Mike, but I think that'd be cool to do a group ride someday!
Hey to those CO EMTBers. I’m from Parker, CO and a buddy and I are always looking for a fun group ride. We’ve ridden many front range trails from Pueblo to Curt Gowdy (WY). We’ve got to find a way to get some Front Range group rides together! Since I’m a brewer as well, I’ve always got a couple of growlers ready for post ride celebrations! Would be very interested in meeting new EMTBers!
MTN BIKES and TACOS 🤘😝🤘!!!! Match made in Heaven!
How do you cope with the no E-BIKE regulations, signs and possible penalty of bike confiscation and fines? Are these in addition to your regular MTBs ??? Given the expense of good mtb e-bikes and good analog mtbs (carbon long travels with descent components for both) most people cant afford to have the best of both worlds...
A lot of the trails are allowing emtbs now (class-1) as they don't do any more damage than a normal bike. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't ride them. The forestry service already approved them for most trails, BLM already did.. In CA most places you can ride a regular bike you can ride a emtb.. including the bike parks. I know some big national parks are going through the process of gathering data and rider input on the environmental impact, it's been in total support of the class-1's so I'd assume in the very near future class-1 will be allowed on every trail a regular bike is allowed. Class-2 and Class-3 absolutely not. Those are reserved for OVT only.. and it should stay that way..
If you asked me 4 months ago what do I think about ebikes I would of said you lazy f@#$. But three months ago I had my world rocked by riding one of the specialized with a friend who had to buy two of them just to convince people how much fun they are . Well two months ago I bought a brand new HaiBike allmtn 2.0 xduro . It reminds me of my first bmx huffy I got when I was 6 years old, you couldn’t get me off that bike well that’s how I feel now but I’m 45 hahaha instead of climbing the same peak I’m going to the next beyond that one.Everyone should own an Ebike
I have nothing against e bikes but man the prices are crazy! I feel like if they were somehow more affordable I would hop on one. With that kinda of money why would you not just buy a dirt bike??
Most high end pedal mtb are pretty pricey as well. You can find some direct to consumer ebikes that are cheaper than the big brands, but yeah still not cheap! I'd like to have a dirt bike and ebike, but the wife would murder me!
On turbo levo for a year never ride regular bike again been mtb since 1987,100percent fun fun fun fun ,not a free ride negative people will see all pro riders love em👍👍
e bikes are great once they’re de restricted they get boring after 4-5 months and only become good for uphills, you get blown away on the straights by non e bikes and a regular bike is just as quick if not quicker down hill
Very convincing...
E bikes rule 👍👍👍👍👍👍exactly u ride twice as much ,faster too ,new climbs u could never think of doing on regular mtb impossible 😉 and u don't have the negative aspects of climbing it is now fun really fun
This guy gets it!
You guys explain it the same way I explain why at 55, I bought my Trek Rail 7. Despite the fact I’m in good shape and rode most people I know into the dirt, I’d sort of stopped riding where as now I’m out a couple of time per week at least. Add to it, the new technology and geometry compared to my old Specialized S-Works Epic Carbon 26er is like a new Porsche to a Model T. I burn just as many calories as I did on my old bike but its significantly more fun this way!
No way your heart rate is 150 on average . I ride and work hard in my climbs in Squamish bc and my average hard rate is like 140. If my heart rate in an e bike was 150 I would get one.
No, you do t get much of a work out riding these bikes I’m sorry...lol but nice try guys haha. Unless your totally out of shape .
They are fun yes !!!and you can get out if you have limited time but don’t let any tell you they are very good for your fitness . I don’t look at climbing as torture I look at it as a challenge.
Lol. You are in fact wrong.
Or I guess there is the very real possibility that everyone who rides e-bikes' heart rate monitors are wrong.
If you've never ridden one, or don't really understand how they work, it might be confusing - but it's really pretty simple. Say on an acoustic bike you pedal with 100w average power up an incline and that allows you to go 4mph. With an e-bike, you pedal with that same 100w from your legs, and your motor puts in another 200w - allowing you to go 12mph up the hill. Since you're putting in 100w of power from your legs, you have the same heart rate, are burning the same calories, and are going 3x the speed on the inclines. On the downhills, you're burning about the same calories and going about the same speed. So hopefully you are understanding now conceptually - it's quite simple.
Last Line Of Defense anyone that rides them passed me up a hill are not panting or sweating...that’s a fact haha. Sure if your are killing it cause your stoked about having a new e bike and you want to prove to the world they are better than a mtb for fitness than sure. but riding that pace will soon wear off and you will start lolly gaging up the hill like everyone else and not break a sweat. Your in the honeymoon stage . Your mind will not let you keep that pace going up the hill when it know it doesn’t have to work that hard lol. Then all your fitness talk will end .
You will see
Whereas a real mtb you have to work if you want to get to the top and there is no two ways about it.
Last Line Of Defense don’t get caught on one out here in Squamish or you will get laughed at .
@@jasonw820 lol, riiiiight
You know what bud, you are absolutely wrong 😂 and here is why:
1. If someone WANTS to workout and has an e-bike for some reason, he can simply turn the bike off and not only he can get a good workout, but he will burn so much more calories compared to using a normal bike because E-bike is heavier. So here is for the workout
2. Let’s say a person can burn 1000 calories in one sessions before he rips apart and dies on the ground. Now here is what happens, he can burn that X amount of calories (in this example 1000) in 5 miles using a normal bike OR he can burn the same amount of calories in 100 miles on an e-bike.
3. Since you can use less energy on an e-bike, you will be able to ride longer which equates to MORE fun, more adventure and surprise surprise, more workout and calorie burning due to the WAY longer ride 😬
Conclusion: Dumb people (who are plenty out there these days) think you can’t lose weight, burn fat/calories, or get a workout on an e-bike. The reason they think like that is:
1. They cannot afford an e-bike
2. They have never even tested one
3. They can’t even test if they want because maybe they live in a rural area where they deal with sheep and cow more than technology and devices
4. They most probably are not educated and that is why they can’t logically understand the relation between workout longer but less intense is equal to working out harder but in a short period of time
I hope people get educated and try to use their brains (if they have any) so they don’t embarrass themselves by showing how dumb they are 😂
If you are older or you have a straight up disability I get using an ebike but if you are a perfectly regular person ride a real goddamn bike instead of being lazy. Also at 15:50 you have it totally wrong about all mountain bikers hating ebikes because they like feeling rewarded for the downhill which lots of people do but lots of mountain bikers hate ebikes because they don’t want to support people taking the amazing sport of actual MTB and then making a version of it that takes out so many important factors.
no down side or buyer's
remorse
Biggest downside is the cost
Agreed
floyd hill is not that hard to climb.... haha
Don't think anyone would disagree with that.
We're definitely not in great mtb shape, so for guys that only have time to ride on weekends it would have been rough on pedal bikes! But yeah, it's not a crazy climb or ridiculously long...our buddy that rides multiple times a week went up no problem on one. It's mostly about the time spent climbing. Had he been on an ebike we could have gone up it close to twice as fast and had more time for the downhill.
E bike want one so bad
don't let your dreams be dreams... DO IT!
“trails in California are flatter than in Colorado” - this is kind of a flawed statement. Problem is California is wayyyy too varied. There’s parts way flatter than CO, and other parts more rugged than CO. Need to specify what part of CA you’re talking about when you make a statement like that.
Buy a car, nah homie buy an e bike 😉
Cool idea but I rather get a dirt bike. Lol.
CA flat?! You are smoking! I regularly ride 1500-3000ft each ride! You are using excuses to justify your lack of exercise and the purchase of a $6k bike when a $2k bike can do everything the $6k bike does. You aren’t fooling anyone, you got the e-bikes because it’s whole lot more fun without all the extra work. I have learned to enjoy the grind and the pain while climbing. It’s a challenge and challenges is where I thrive. Nothing like reaching the summit after a heart-pounding climb. I also love the technical aspect of climbing. Look, if you were 60+ I wouldn’t blink, but at your age you should be on a standard trail bike if exercise is a priority. I bet I can keep up at with your $6k bike on my aluminum Marin Rift Zone 2. And if you are wondering what my experience is with e-Bikes, I helped my brother built one by converting a standard MTB to a mid drive eBike.
Lol
A. We're are specifically talking about trails in Chico CA, where we lived - which don't have near the amount of elevation gain of CO trails.
B. We literally said we are biking for fun and ebikes make it more fun... but you can still get a workout - don't forget that part :)
C. That's cool that you like pain and suffering while doing an enjoyable hobby, we'd just rather have more fun while doing it!
D. If you think you can keep up with a 750watt ebike on a long climb then you must be the be the best cyclist on the planet, so props on that!
Ahem, ego trip
Esteban Peralta *insecurity trip, haha
If you are going to discuss Chico, say Chico not CA. CA is a big state. You spend like 10 min talking about fitness which leads me to believe that it’s one of many reasons behind your decision to buy an ebike. Then you admit you are too lazy to pedal a regular bike. You bring up your age as if you are too old to ride a regular bike. I don’t buy it. I think, as you guys have admitted, you are too lazy. Lol, I burn over 1k cal in less than 1.5hrs. Also, your eBike is probably pushing 50lbs so that 750W has to push more weight. Power delivery is only a portion of riding well and riding fast. A lot comes down to the rider, the experience, and the mountain bike set up (suspension and tires being dialed in, etc). I think too often we try to justify our purchase with whatever reasons we can come up with. I just think it’s important to be honest with yourself because you are the only one losing when you are lying to yourself. I like your finishing comments when you clarify that it’s all about fun for you, that’s honesty.
My last ride 13.3 miles, 2,167ft elevation gain, 1:26:04 moving time, avg power 194W, avg speed 9.3mph, 1119 cal burn. Napa, Ca. If exercise is a goal, you don’t NEED an ebike.
For that price i rather buy a dirt bike lol
Sorry guys, cant do it. Avid mountain biker, (real mountain bikes) and almost 50 years old. Granted I live in Michigan, not Colorado. But we still got some climbs. But still, in the first six minutes all I hear are excuses to not get in shape when it really doesnt take that long. I bet a week or two and you would be climbing everything in site. Work at it in stages. At least your being honest, I'll give you that and for the most part Im just ribbing you. Ride what you got and enjoy it. Just remember...down hill runs are earned by the climb to get up there 😉
I earned my personal lift to the top with paychecks, which in turn earned my downhills. ;) Life is short, spend more time maximizing that enjoyment!
Yeah, life is short. But you'll probably live longer if you get in shape, just sayin lol😂😉
@@bowdeer5074 Diminishing returns, my man. Haha
There are absolutely some excuses in there ;) But really, it's hard for us to find time to ride enough to get into the shape it would require to make the climbs more bearable. Both with full time jobs, kids, and other life obligations, it's hard to get out more than once a week -- yes, more excuses!
Even if we had that time to get into great climbing shape, we'd still be riding ebikes. For us, the increased amount of enjoyment on the climbs, the time saved climbing, and ability to explore more places with ease just makes it a no brainer for us.
Like we say in the video, you can definitely earn a climb on an ebike. Turn the assistance all the way down, or off if you want to really push yourself. We know there are many out there that share your opinion though, and we're all just in it for the fun of biking! Have you tried an emtb before?
I have actually, it was ok, and a few years ago. Honestly, dont have the bank account for one. I getthe time thing, like I said, I'll be 50 next year so kids are older and we ride together. Im still faster than both of them 😂
E-bikes are cheating. If you want the thrill of downhill you gotta pay the price of admission by riding uphill.
Lol