MK7 Golf R vs MK7.5 Golf R Stage 1 Upgrades - Which is best? [Rolling road graph talk through]
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2021
- Are you looking to get a MK7 or MK7.5 Golf R but aren't sure which is best to tune? Checkout this comparison of MK7 vs. MK7.5 Golf R where we upgrade both with the same power upgrade hardware and software.
Is the result any different? Find out!
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Thanks to the team at Regal, I'm the blue mk7.5 owner. The difference in power delivery is pretty amazing and sound of the exhaust so much better. The black 7 got a really good before vs after, but very happy with mine!
How much did it change ur insurance by if i may ask ?
Yes how much did the premium increase with the mods 🤔
The mods were done right at the end my insurance year which meant I shopped around at time of renewal. I moved to Adrian flux and even with disclosing all mods and a speed awareness course, my premium came down ~£150
Man, I got my hands on a black and blacked out 2019 R, and I slapped an intake and the APR stage 1 low torque tune (warranty) on it, and it’s a BEAST. My last two cars (aside from my current 21 Jetta that’s my daily and the 19 R) were GTIs that were APR Stage 2, and seriously, the R is just on another level. Everything about the personality of the R is significantly more aggressive than even a stage 2 GTI, and when you put just a semi-aggressive stage 1 ECU/TCU tune on the R- it puts the modded GTI experience to shame. Don’t get me wrong- I absolutely love GTIs but the R has permanently spoiled me. I like the 7.5 Golf R a lot more than the MK8.
Another crazy thing is just how uncommon they are. I live in the 4th most populous city in the US, and in the last 8 months that I’ve owned the car, I’ve only seen one other one and including the one I own, I’ve only seen 5 Golf Rs on the road here since they were introduced and I drive around a lot.
Man, I am stoked as hell that you’re rocking an MK7.5 because I totally get how freaking awesome it is to own and drive one of these cars. 🤘🤘🤘
@@TheArizonaAssasin thanks for your comment man, really insightful.
Just to confirm, you had a stage 1 tune and still had warranty on the car? Regards.
00:13 Black MK7 Golf R Racingline 4 piece intake, APR ECU & DSG software
02:21 Baseline MK7.5 = 320 HP & 307 lbft
02:28 Baseline MK7 = 315 HP & 2991bft
02:35 Both of the stock air boxes are removed.
02:44 The intake hose and turbo mufflers are also removed.
02:56 The exhaust on the Golf R MK7.5 is removed.
03:05 The Vagsport Res delete is measured up
06:46 Vagsport Res Delete is installed.
06:58 The Racingline Turbo Muffler Delete is installed
07:11 The Racingline Turbo Inlet Elbow is installed.
07:14 The Racingline Turbokimler Elbow is installed.
07:28 The Racingline Foam Filter is installed.
07:39 The Racingline Turbo Inlet pipe is installed.
08:01 The APR ECU & DSG sp
08:18 MK7.5 new max output = 372HP & 3821bft
08:27 MK7 new max output = 377HP & 3831bft
08:33 Stock intake sounds.
08:42 Engine sounds with Racingline 4 piece intake
08:51 Stock Exhaust.
09:01 Stock Exhaust with Vagsport res delete.
Thanks!
How much to go stage 1 ??
These videos are soo helpful, I have been speaking with Dominic at Regal Autosport today pretty much about these exact modifications for my Mk7.5. Looking forward to getting all of this done!
Awesome!! Looking forward to seeing you soon!
Nice video guys 👍
Thanks you for your comment and positive vibes !
Cool vid, loving any Golf R/GTI content. . .bet you're chomping at the bit to get a power upgrade for your 8R. . . .my 7.5R is Stage 1 and apart from the welcome additional horses and torque, the smoother power delivery and almost zero turbo lag are the key takeaways for me
Thanks for the comment and kind words! Yes I can't wait to upgrade the MK8Rs output. For now, the focus is on optimising the handling.
Great to hear you are loving your 7.5R!
I understand you no more can tune the ecu on a mk,
@@MrRonan3 what? 😂😂
The biggest thing I got from this video; is I need to wash my car. I have a black 2019 Golf R and its dirty at the moment. Yes, I would love to do a stage 1 tune, but I'll lose my warranty. Great video.
hahahaha!!
Just completed my stage 1 for my Golf R with a APR FMIC and it’s absolutely amazing 🔥🔥
Awesome! Great to hear you are loving your car more then ever!
Hey Scott,
hope u r doing Great,
Would you still recommend Stage 1 with the FMIC and APR.... after 05 months of usage or would u recommend something else... ? I have a 2019 Gti...
@@sahilkad2762 yes go for it. It’s a blast to drive
Interesting comparison, it's funny how the less powered r got more gains. Maybe the res delete on the newer car made less power? 🤔
Nah, the res delete is just for sound and does nothing else
Nice video. Would have been good to see what gains just the racingline products achieved on there own. What I'm confused about, is don't APR claim these figures anyway with a stage 1? and if so, what is the point of the additional cost of the racingline stuff.
Thanks for the comment and kind words! APR claim around 370HP / 383lbfts on APR ECU + TCU without any other mods, on their specific dyno in whatever conditions the cars were run in.
It's well known that the 4 piece intake on these cars is wroth 10-20HP (not all at peak), not to mention incredible turbo and engine sounds with the turbo not having to run at an as high duty cycle to achieve the boost request.
If you love the stock engine sound, stock turbo sound, stock engine bay aesthetic and don't want optimum performance - stay with the stock intake.
Great video. So with the 7.5, have you removed the GPF filter fully or is this still in place?
This 7.5 was pre GPF
My personal experience having gone to APR Stage 1 is that the difference from stock is truly startling and for road driving you really feel the difference. However, more power generates more heat and I found that track days or light motor sport soon started to bring up the heat warnings on the dash (let alone standard brakes catch fire but that's another story). With even a stage 1 car, if you intend to use on track I recommend you get the intercooler as well. It really does keep the temps under control.
Thanks for the comment and feedback Steve! Heat is always an issue on track days, especially for tuned cars that are outside of the original design scope and use case. Which is exactly why we also offer other products to support your intended use!
Stage 1 more then enough for road use🔥
Most bang for your back enjoyment!
Great video, I'm probably gonna get this done on my mk7 r. Quick question, what octane fuel were they running? I would guess 98 , but wanted to check, also would you say the dsg map is a must or would it be OK without?
99 RON V-Power for the best results. With the stock DSG software you will need the 'Stage 1 low output' which is for stock DSG software, then when you get the DSG software we can install the 'Stage 1 high output' software which is designed for use with DSG software.
Is the high octane fuel needed affected by this new fuel l now see at the pumps? Thanks
@@johneaton25 most petrol stations are now selling E10 or 95 octane which is worse for your car gives the car less power and you also get less mpg but it was implemented because it produces less harmful emissions, the higher the octane the better like v-power or tesco momentum. Problem is E10 has now become the new standard and E5 is the new premium
@@joeb9660 Thank you 👍
Can we talk about how awesome that hair is
Yes, yes we can
Im local and had my R Mk7 for a while now. Whats the cost of getting all this done without the res delete ? mines pretty much stock , but with Clubsport S brakes. Cheers
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Will you be doing a roll comparison (not a dig because driver error is a big factor there), to compare the two cars, since the MK7.5 has an extra gear in its DSG?
Thanks for the comment, we do not intend on doing a roll comparison.
What's the rough cost of the two upgrades? I'm looking at buying a silver white mark 7.5, most concerned out the lack of noise so will be making a upgrade ASAP
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Did you guys used to be base in Fareham? Before you moved to Southampton
Thanks for the comment, we were not based in Fareham before but we were based in Shirley. We've always been in Southampton!
Thanks for the neat comparison video guys and keep em coming 👍
When you make these vids is it possible to give ball park figure on conversion
£££prices at the date of the post? Thanks
Thanks for the kind words! Don't forget, partners are watching ;)
Is there any difference mechanically between the 7 and 7.5? 5hp difference after tune is well within the deviation between cars. I mean 2 7.5s could have the exact same parts and be 5hp off.
Nope, they are essentially the same.
Do they do the R600 4 piece intake for the 2016 scirocco R?
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I noticed that the Mark 7 Golf R had better results, so am I better off getting the Mk7 vs the Mk7.5 and save some money?
Is the 7 speed DSG in the Mk7.5 a better more robust transmission than the 6 speed DSG in the Mk7?
Why get the Mk7.5??
6 speed in the 7 is better, 7 speed has issues with the clutch.
I'd go 7 if you are looking for performance, as they are the same. 7.5 has a little better interior
is pre GPF march 2019? I think I'm ok with a MK 7.5 2017 right? if I buy all the parts I need will you guys fit them for me as your about an hour away from me? probably looking at a res delete the racing line intake system and a turbo muffler delete. I just picked up this golf R with 28,000 miles on the clock so pretty happy as it has no major issues and its pre GPF from what I've researched and looking at the exhaust system from engine back. its manual though not DSG I just prefer the raw feel of actually driving a car not have the car drive for me. to each their own.
Hey! Thanks for the message, we do not fit any customer supplied parts. We do supply everything, so let us know if you need anything else supplied, and fitted :)
So the mk7, made more after the tune than the 7.5? Has the res delete lowered power or something. Seems odd as the 7.5 is obviously newer.
Rolling road runs are just a snapshot into a vehicles performance at a moment in time, under specific environmentals. We do tend to see MK7 Golf Rs making different power levels
One last thing to complete my 2016 Golf R stage 1 next week with a APR FMIC
Nice!!
Post gpf golf R’s have proven to make more power though with other tuners??
Golf Rs with GPFs make more power then pre with Stage 1 software? Send us the links to such wild gains please
@@RegalAutosport I didn’t say that. If a gpf model had stage 1 and a pre gpf had stage 1, MRC have shown that the gpf model made more power. Stronger internals on the gpf engine. Feel free to have a look. My comment was referencing to the gents comment about buying a pre gpf car for tuning.
@@eatsleepandskate1 Not entirely accurate. I spoke with Doug @ MRC while having my 7.5 Pre GPF car remapped and he said the GPF cars do make more power BUT only if you remove the GPF, but of course that's illegal to do on UK roads and would fail an MOT. GPF cars have to run more boost pressure as standard in order to output 300ps due to the more restrictive GPF cannisters. Have a look at the R Owner forums as there's plenty of people on there that will confirm this, to the point where stage 2 GPF cars will output about 400ps at around 1.9bar of boost. Mine was stage 1 and I still achieved 395ps at 1.74 bar. Ash's comments about the 7.5 vs 7 are essentially correct though, however normally the mk7.5 would be expected to achieve higher gains than a mk7, and i'm not sure why this isnt the case in this scenario (maybe the fuel is a factor). The biggest mechanical differences between the two is the 7 speed dsg box which can handle more torque, and that in turn generally allows the mk7.5 to run slightly higher figures
@@purplepulser yeah that makes sense, I should’ve said stage 2 vs stage 2 as an example as then they’d both be in the same situation with no cat and no gpf. Yeah on mrc’s Instagram all the gpf golf R’s when matched in mods to a pre gpf the gpf model made more torque and power. That’s also what I was going by. And yeah the dq381 on the 7.5 isn’t it? I remember seeing something about that when I had ordered mine
@@eatsleepandskate1 Yes, 7sp DQ381 on the mk7.5 vs 6sp DQ250 on the mk7. If getting a stage 1 remap on a mk7, most tuners will recommend getting the TCU remapped as well to increase clamping pressure, to cope with the torque. You can always opt for a low torque output if you are dead set on not getting the TCU remapped, but I have never seen the point of that. The mk7.5 doesn't strictly need a remap at stage 1 levels, but its still recommended and I had it done anyway, because its not just about handling the torque that's improved, if you think about it, with just an ECU remap, the TCU doesn't expect the increased levels of torque and when you floor it, and inevitably surpass the factory rated limits, the TCU will probably start limiting torque to protect itself. The TCU remap is what resolves these issues.
Shift behaviour is a massive improvement when remapping a DSG, i.e on track for instance, it won't tend to upshift when turning corners and holds the gear, often to the redline. Additionally, manual mode behaves properly, and it wont upshift and will bounce off the redline. Downshifts aren't affected. Lastly i think there's a variable speed launch control, though i've not used that yet.
Hi, how much £ we talking about for the remap and the mods?
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Wonder how these compare to revo stage 1
We used to be a REVO and APR dealer, until REVO remove us from the dealer network - I guess they didn't like that we were offering both! Even though APR were comfortable with it.
We actually had the opportunity to test both an APR and REVO file on the same car, the APR file made around 10-15hp more across the entire rev range iirc. This was around 2-3 years ago though, so perhaps they have improved their software since.
7R have double injection direct and indirect, 7.5 R only direct this is the
why did he make more power with stage 1?
Many, many different variables all add up to the output difference you see
@@RegalAutosport but yo think that double injection is better? Also to prevent carbon
@@paolosollecito mpi
How much was the cost for the stage 1
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How much does it cost the mk7.5 golf r ?
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witch year do mk 7.5 start?
≈ 2017
it's DQ250 vs DQ381.
Thanks for the comment, yes, one has the DQ250 and one has the DQ381
Is that spandex?
Yeah why not!
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Identify yourself so we can banish the bad vibes from the channel
How much for this
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I get 365bhp with just a JB4.
We've tried the JB4, works okay if you want something you plug in. Doesn't work well if you've tried a proper ECU remap.
True but wanted to keep my warranty. Also I've had ecu tunes on previous cars and it's not that much better (butt dyno!). The real advantage for me is changing maps on the fly as I drive, esp. valet mode when dropping off at garages!
No such thing as the best stage 1.
My stage 1 for my 7.5 consists of Onvidia Q300 Cutback system, k&N filter, Bluespark ecu tuner. Fast enough for me at 330hp
Awesome to hear you are enjoying your car!
so your stage 1 only got you up 20hp???
@@jackh6555 maybe at the wheel, so could've been bigger jump from crank