Mike's RGB Scart Game Room Update
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This Game Room update mainly concerns Mike's switch from AV composite to RGB Scart. Part of our ongoing quest to bring Cinemassacre fans the best possible gameplay footage from consoles.
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hook that audio 3.5 jack to an cd/aux output of a receiver . that setup deserves awesome sound
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Have you and James ever thought about doing your own podcast? I would listen every week.
You know you can actually start uploading your videos in 60 FPS now cause TH-cam has that support right? Or are you unable to do it cause your computers aren't powerful enough to handle the rendering size?
Cinemassacre hey, ill mange those cables for you for a nominal fee. Seeing that N64 controller cable bendt underneath the console made my cable OCD flare up and my eyes water.
[Coury] Mike this set up is looking great! You've really caught the bug with this stuff. It can be so much fun to tweak and optimize, you almost forget to actually play games for a bit. Glad to see you working with some of our good friends to pull this together. Congrats and enjoy!
Coury, the way you hide your cables in your own setup is so insanely impressive. The planning and thoughtfulness you put into your setup definitely shows.
To die hard emulator fans: setting up physical consoles/games is part of the collecting hobby. To us, that "unnecessary hassle waste of space" is endearing and a joy to set up. It isn't much different than a trophy or china cabinet. We're also attracted to the more authentic feel that official consoles/controllers/games provide. It takes us back to the past in a way that emulators can't.
Alec Oram Absolutly correct.
I use emulators and real consoles on a CRT component setup. I reeeally want to upgrade to SCART but it's really expensive.
Wow Mike, your electric bill must be bigger than your...
Water bill
WarOnCOD points for creativity
flat screen tvs eat up a LOT more power than CRT ones - you ever feel how WARM a flat screen is....
No way in hell a CRT is more energy efficient than a LCD, and it's warmer mostly because the CRT is boxy as hell giving it better airflow.
Just to power the cathode ray tube on a crt would probably power the whole LCD
hellomcflyy On of the points of a Flat screen is that they use less power than their CRT counterparts.
He probably rarely has more than 1 or 2 consoles on at a time though, so it's probably not as expensive as you might think.
Love that crt tv, looks like it came from a broadcasting room :)
haha nice ! So it's even more luxurious, one pixel off on these monitors and you won't know if it's a boy or a girl :)
Well I live in Iceland so I would probably be better off just asking the hospitals or the tv stations if they got some older equipment that they want to donate :)
MonsieurHiroshima That's so true! I have a mx7000 Bang & Olufsen crt, and it has a really good screen, but it has also THE BEST SOUND I've ever heard. Modern televisions ain't got sh*t in comparision.
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@@RetroGamingMuseum I miss your videos
Glad to see the improvements! No turning back now, LOL. I've never heard of a LaserActive being fully RGB modded. I think you can for the Sega and Turbo cart and CD games, but for the LaserDisc games I haven't heard of that being done since it's composite video (AV) straight on the discs themselves. I suppose it could be done if you go crazy. I'd love to see someone try. I still need to RGB mod my 3DO to play the nearly dozen good games on the system but the RGB kit no longer seems to be made. Oh, and about to RGB an Atari 2600 here...
After you help me get my LaserActive RGB modded, you can get all my Tiger Handhelds done in RGB. What's scary is I'm half joking..
Thanks for watching! -Mike
The Tigers can wait. Microvision comes first. Actually the Virtual Boy comes first because people have done it.
Indeed Joe! the Laserdisc portion of the LaserActive cannot be RGB modded, since composite video is what's stored on the discs themselves!
I thought you don't have a 3DO and had to borrow one for videos?
Mike, what do you think of composite now that you've seen what RGB looks like? ;)
Now all that's missing is the elusive, expensive-as-all-fucking-hell GameCube component cables
He might just get the HDMI gamecube mod now that thats out and not that expensive in comparison.
You can still get about 200 dollars for them, if the box is mint you might be able to ask around 250.
No need for those, there's mods available to take it's place.
Or you can simply use the Wii since at it's core the Wii is just an overclocked and slightly modified GameCube.
rellik187redrum Around $250-300, market average. I'd price it for $150 to be generous if I ever had a spare to sell off.
You can just use a RGB Scart cable for Gamecube (but only compatible with PAL models).
I adore this setup, it really shows that you've got quality and dedication to providing the best footage you can record.
Thanks I appreciate that. I've been working on it for months! Thanks for watching - Mike
mind u im still waiting for the shipment of those special scart switches.
I'm appalled how I was playing with RGB Scart in 1992 with my Snes here in Italy, and that in USA they are still playing Snes with composite right now, a quarter of century later.
These gameroom videos are the best, I could listen to Mike talk about stuff like this all day, his enthusiasm is great
That setup is so clean now! Great work on getting it all converted for RGB. Very cool for sharing this, super glad you are getting everything situated. Still a jumble of cables but more manageable I think. Interesting mods on your older consoles to keep them up to date and playable with the newer gear.
Mike, in nearly a decade of watching all of Cinemassacre's videos (more than twice), this has to be one of the most interesting ones that've been posted. Too cool, man. Too cool. Thanks as always, fellas, for all the years of hard work and dedication.
Awesome, Mike. I'm so glad about the prospect of watching clear footage at 60fps.
It's really nice to see you using improved forms of video. When I saw you using composite in the last video it drove me insane.
Once again, thank you so much for posting vids like this. They're wicked helpful for reference.
So you setting this up in your room Boston guy?
Glad to see you got it all worked out in the end!
I love the dedication you put into playing the games on the actual hardware, all those cables and costs just to bring us the gameplay from the actual machine is amazing. It'd be so easy to stick an emulator on the PC but you don't and I love that you don't.
I love these behind the scenes type videos.
Beautiful CRT :O looks great.
I like Crash Racing Team too.
It's 'Crash Team Racing' your joke doesn't work.
You mean Crash Tag Team Racing?
They should remaster that game soon.
I have this identical setup. Neat to see you make the jump to RGB.
Amazing setup - great to see your workflow.
you guys always take authentic footage I respect that
Excellent and much improved setup Mike. Thanks for featuring my comment in the old video btw
I don't know where you guys find the patience to do this you guys are such an inspiration. My head would have exploded
4:40 - if you de-interlace the footage on the DVDs, you can return it to 60fps. Provided the content is interlaced of course.
Congratulations! Really nice setup!
You'll need to make some room for the Commodore Amiga, Atari ST, Commodore 64, ZX Spectrum, Amstrad CPC 464 and MSX
Love the update video gives me ideas of things to do for my game room (nowhere near as involved). Always like these updates cool to see what goes on behind the scenes.
Super neat arrangements!
Great set up mate.
Thanks for sharing.
This is insane, but I mean that in a good way. I love the old TV you have there, I'm a real sucker for old tube TVs! Thanks for the tour!
Ooh. This is awesome. I was wondering if you guys were aware of RGBs, since you always played from composite. One very important thing that you must do on your monitor, is to attach 75 ohm termination (adapters?) to the 4 RGBs out ports on your professional video monitor (tv). You'll see the brightness and contrast of your games improve greatly. The colors on your games will truly pop.
Super late, but is that only the case if using non-bnc? or if I"m using bnc should i get them anyways? thanks
Now I know how people who don't play guitar feel when I run through all the bells and whistles. lol I am impressed. That is one damn nice set up. And you guys do great work at Cinemassacre. I am so glad to have to stumbled upon you guys. I always enjoy your guys' content. I don't get to get out an do much in the real world anymore, so watching your videos is like my "hang out" time anymore.
PS, i doubt anyone from Cinnemassacre will see this, but I have also tweeted all of you in hopes of opening a line of communication between you guys and myself to help aid in my development of Cinemassaxre/AVGN themed DOOM wad.(Mod)
I have some questions I'd like to ask you guys about game direction and just get any ideas you may have for this. I think with your guys' input I can make something truly great and fun to play.
I could use help from regular people to for sprites and textures. IF interested, leave a reply.
I just bought a PVM last week :D Loving it so far. Really like your setup.
That crt looks awesome and im loving the setup
Wow cool set up Mike.
What kind of ladancy is there between the CRT and LCD TV after the G SCART and framemister?
Also the original X Box supports SCART
You and James are just the coolest people. I want to hang out with you so badly.
Very impressive, Thanks for all the videos!
Does anyone know where to find PVM/BVM monitors in Europe? I don't know if an international shipping would be worth it because I have seen some people getting shipping damaged monitors. How can I make sure the monitor won't get damaged in the process?
Holy hell I hope you have wiring diagrams lol. Also... HDMI N64?!
Very great to see this BTS!
Man, finally, I was wondering when you were gonna RGB mod everything.
Nice, you picked up the same or almost the same monitor I have (I've got the medical version of the 20L2.) I have a couple videos of recording video directly from the screen with a DSLR, but clearly if you can capture RGB over the wires that'll be better for gameplay videos. Lookin good, Mike!
Nice setup! I love my RCAs. Composite AV works just fine for me, but RGB looks awesome in a CRT. I'm actually playing my Master System games through the Power Base in RGB and they look amazing.
How the heck do you keep your game room clean?
is there a delay with the Elgato HD60? or do you need the framemeister to get rid of the delay?
Hey Mike, Question: I noticed that you capture game footage at 60.00 fps, and was wondering if you have had any issues. I ask because, as a video producer myself, I'm aware that the true standard of 60fps is actually 59.96 fps. Similar to how true 30fps is actually 29.97 fps. (At least in the US.) So I was curious if you were you experiencing any kind of audio drift (audio slowly going out of sync) on your game capture footage, or any other kind of other weirdness. If you are, well now I hope you have your answer. And if not, then that's very interesting to me. Take care!
Do you guys do a video calibration before using a new tv or monitor?
Planning, figuring out, and building a set up like this is such a friggin nightmare, so its very interesting and satisfying seeing the finished result and how it all works together.
this is all well and good but where can.you get the consols moded
I have an old Blaze VGA adapter I used to use with my PS2. Made a huge huge difference for the games that supported it way back in 2004. I think burnout 3 was a full 480p.
Wow looks like alot of work! love you videos Mike.
Is it possible this new edition of SNES to connect to those old models of TVs with scart cable?
@Cinemassacre Where did you get that nice Scart/rgb switcher from? Is it wired for scart or JP21? Thank you.
8:10 You are using component for the Wii? Huh, When I tried that, I couldn't get any video signal for virtual console (DKC1/2). Audio worked fine though. Now I have to use scart. How do you get component to work for virtual consoles?
I'm from Europe so there might be a difference, but there are RGB cables for PS2 and Xbox, I have them hooked up to my framemeister. Also I was wondering, do regular CRT TVs not support RGB signals in the US? Here you can simply plug the SCART-Cable into the TV, and like every TV will output the RGB signal, if there is one. (there's also composite via scart, oh and I think scart is called "EIA Multiport" in the US? )
no USA only had shitty RF and Svideo
girlsdrinkfeck thanks for your response! Amazing how such technologies develop so differently, even though we probably have / had the same TVs (brand and models)... Just with different ports...
RGB is better than component any day of the week.
Sure it's simpler, but it's technically inferior to RGB.
Also what is that PS2 to HDMI?
No, you fucktard, he is obviously not talking about the 90s since the PS2 and Xbox were released in the 2000s. In the U.S., consumer CRTs from 1998 onward had component video inputs but they never had RGB scart inputs you fuck.
We luckily got TVs with scart and RGB in UK with better quality picture, so our PAL consoles had extra attachments not needed for NTSC because their TVs didn't come with it as standard. Like the little scart brick to stick on the end of composite leads.
It looks so beautiful ;-;
will this help prevent sprites from disappearing during the videos? I remember in one of the Mario playthroughs, Mario would disappear half the time even though you obviously could still see and play it.
Awesome job man!
Nice setup :)
what kind of Scart switcher do you use? I can't seem to find it anywhere :/
great setup, Mike, what happened to those xrgb or fury or what where they called that upscaled with only one frame lag to hdmi? i presume its something similar electronically you have had done with your n64, from analogue to digital at least, just without scaling maybe, since that is actually not the slow process from my experience. I read somewhere gpu scaling now adays is actually done in nano seconds, not even milliseconds, so thats absolutely amazing in preserving the ability to play old outputs, not just view them
Well look at Mickey, finally getting into RGB and pro-crt's! Was about damn time, what took you so long, lol
Congrats on your new setup
Damnnnn looking good Mike!
I bought my component and RGB cables as I while I was collecting my systems so I didn't have to worry about upgrading later. I'm glad I did it that way so I had the best image quality from retro systems from the get-go.
Wow. Pretty cool. What cable do you use for the AV FAMICOM (or is the US Top loader.....I really need my coffee or glasses :) ). Which Scart switcher do you use? It is probably expensive, but can you tell how much it costs?
Not gonna lie, the Secret of Mana thumbnail got me to click right away. Excellent setup my man. Going to listen to the Secret of Mana soundtrack now! 🎶🎵🎶
OK RGB done, now you have to add better sound to your consoles too ;) ..i done a SPDIF mod on my SNES some while ago and it really made a big difference in overall sound clarity :)
Geezus Christ Mike... all those wires behind there are insane. It looks like an octopus orgy. :P
That right there is a nice old broadcast monitor. I'm seeing more and more people using them over old CRT TVs. They're dirt cheap because the industry doesn't use them anymore but they're rock solid and have amazing I/O options. Plan on getting one myself to hook up some old consoles. Good choice Mike!
does anyone know if the "VGA-out" on the SCART switcher work with regular VGA signals for computer monitors? or is it actually just sending the regular RGB signals over a DE-15 connector? i'm interested in a PVM but with how scarce they are, getting an older trinitron computer monitor was an alternative i was considering, also for retro PC games. i know one of the upscalers (like the framemeister, but not the framemeister) can convert to VGA, but if the SCART switcher can do it alone then that'd be a box to not get!
RGB won't work on a PC monitor. RGB monitors run at 15khz, PC monitors recognize 31khz only. I tried this with a PC monitor that has BNC RGB connectors, and it didn't work
Oscar Simoes thanks. i knew about the different sync rate, i just had moonshot hopes because it said "VGA out", and VGA is a video standard.
so really it should've said "DE-15 out", but oh well
can you plug up four arcade sticks to a PS3/ PS4/Xbox 360/Xbox one through a USB hub?
Nicely done Mike. You have it about as good as it is going to get besides a wire cleanup overhaul.
Great run down, Mike, but now I really miss my production monitors.
nice setup!
Is SCART the same quality as using a component cable that uses R/G/B with L/R audio??
What would be the best way to play secret of Mana with local co-op, given I don't have the original system and game?
El Bromo Hojo Get an emulator and a couple controllers?
secret of mana! one of my fav game
I got the idea of letting do a stereo & ext audio mod and RGB. Mod on my nes 2 but i got to make sure the modder will NOT put a 10chip in it because that chip do have compatibility issues with many games, it's also very expensive to do and i did already had let someone do a av mod before, so i don't know.
SOM is my favorite SNES game. It is actually one of my favorite games of all time.
When did you guys start doing 60fps video? I remember trying to tell you guys to make the switch not too long ago
what about signal interference from all the wires crossing over each other?
did you use the RGB amp for the snes/1chip ?
Hi Mike !!! love your vids man. Cheers from Canada.
This shows how dedicated about this channel your really are and whine ww dont get alot of avgn episode a year you give out tons of content while we wait and it all feels like true quality work.
RGB is such huge improvement for retro, cheers Mike
that alladin footage in the end... gosh mike you and james/ ryan should do disney games some more justice (not that you didn't do in the past ;P) since theres an 8bit capcom disney collection hitting major consoles and pc next month!
amazing setup upgrade btw
hey Mike awsome video. who mods your consols?
Sick set up bro
That's a real cool setup.
Mike, you are the cable king for sure.
It must cost a fortune to mod all those older consoles into RGB or HDMI, unless Mike or James can mod it themselves. Either way, we appreciate the effort put into the gameplay footage looking great. Great Job!
I think you're still underselling the RGB/SCART setup Mike:)
Even as a kid, once I experienced RGB (very early 90s), I couldn't settle for less anymore; whatever home-computer or console it may be, it's so worth the mod; crispy, smooth and colorful as F !
That's awesome! I try to keep mine at the best quality too, mine's not too far off of a mess as yours is, except I don't really have any 80's consoles. Mine is 90's to present. I'm very interested in getting my N64 modded like that. Where did you get it done? Thanks for your commitment to the fans, giving us the best quality!
Fantastic setup! Although I'm sure you're aware, if you wanted even superior audio and visual quality from your genesis, I would suggest investing in a model 1 motherboard revision VA3 genesis. As it has the best audio and visual circuitry out of every other model and motherboard revision of the genesis. But of course that's just extra insanity!
GlAcKeNbUrGeN totally agree! I noticed differences between board revisions and models
I've got that same monitor. don't forget it also does component and if you have a problem with sync try the internal sync, it's syncs over green
Mike, what RGB monitor do you use? I've been looking for one for ages but to no avail.
matrick2298 looks like either a bvm or pvm. I can't see the brand however.
Great video, I've never tried RGB unless you count regular Component video/S-Video/VGA and other PC inputs. But I recall noticing the difference instantly when switching an XBOX 360 from A/V to Component while on the Gears of War 2 menu screen. I couldn't read a damn thing on A/V but on component it was crystal clear. This was on a modern (2005-ish) CRT TV, about a...25-27 inch one where reading any sort of small text easily wouldn't be expected. So yeah, it definitely makes a difference. I'd say you're doing it all pretty acceptably considering it's all used for recordings. Not really too crazy.
Wait, so you modded your old consoles to display digital instead of analog? And I thought / was being tekkie when I got component cables for my PS2.
This shows a lot of dedication to gaming