100% That is what I have been saying.,. and taking it one step further...if they are a faithful conference then they may receive even more tithe (if the GC refuses to make amends and if a once-in-a-hundred-year pandemic comes again)
It is such a Blessing to be outside of that trademarked abominable denomination. The pioneers did not even want a name for the organization, but they needed a name in order to organize and be able to make the doctrine known to a lost world. We that know the doctrine are Gods True people, that name has been corrupted, but the minds of Gods True people have not been. Father in Heaven, go with us as we make known your doctrine, and help us to live it out on the earth, in Jesus Name, Amen! 🙏
Rome never changes. 1884 GC we need to study the second angels message again. I am seeing another coming out that Mrs. White said she hoped would not happen. Pages 230-240 This makes me cry watching the downfall of our leadership, even though we knew it was going down. I also noticed Jim’s body language trying to keep a cool head. His swaying keeping him from fainting, it appears too me, wishing he wasn’t there being put on the spot.
Amen, brother D, and keep speaking the truth even if the heavens fall. We must like share and give a thumbs up to help this message reach more people. Holy sabbath blessings to all. Love you.
The Michigan Conference should 26:04 never have used Sabbath service time to deliver their distasteful message. That man changed the Sabbath rest and refreshing for the entire church
If its me I will not coming back, period! Wake up people , these corrupt leaders its obvious they're not for us and not for God ( not for the truth )! Help us Jesus! And thank you for exposing these corrupt leaders through your humble servant ( Dr Vine and Pastor Kelly )!🙏🏼
Village Church needs to shut it down every member should refuse to show up pay tie or even worship in that church until that conference present steps down and they correct this issue
Many conferences are the same. I know of a 26 year running a campus ministry at York University Canada, banned him from speaking in all the churches, 15 years ago
This is happening on a broad scale. It just hasn't been as publicized as the Vine/Kelly situation. The leadership today is not different than the leadership that crucified Christ.
The Church should've walked out on him and he wouldn't have know what to do! We did that back in the 1980's and we got another pastor that was not corrupted, but the Southern California General Conference was corrupted from the top to the bottom, but not all were corrupted, but they didnt take a stand! They shouldve found another job.
No coward or Hiling who is working for the love of Money should Resign,from God's vineyard,don't turn God's truth preaching movement into a den of liers
Hmmm, and there it starts all over again, all things become corrupted. Respectfully, I think there will be individuals from all over, who love God and follow His word, these are the remnant, not any named organisation or denomination🙏🏽
I'm thinking now that I'm leaving the adventist church but not the belief. I don't know about you people, I will not going to follow these corrupt arrogant conference leaders! This is very dangerous and I don't want to be deceived. I don't need to be under the conference to spread the word of God ( gospel ) and to do helping others.
Do not leave. Satan wins with every person who leaves... Stay and FIGHT! EGW said in Great Controversy P606 In every generation God has sent His servants to rebuke sin, both in the world and in the church. But the people desire smooth things spoken to them, and the pure, unvarnished truth is not acceptable. Conrad Vine, is such a man. Someone who is willing to stand for right
great job! Did Michef ever apologize? What a great blunder coming to the church and trying to patch up everything, nothing was smoothed over. This church looks like they will stand to the end with kelly and Vine, lets see.
The GC leadership needs to be changed, and then sell it all and start over. That was what the lady was meaning. But we should not be giving anymore to that.
To@Plantingtheseed....years ago real estate persons can in unknown and drew up illegal contracts and sold much land that the members had bought....then used the verse " don't you know you will judge angles.so don't go to the authorities.....they stole all my Great Great grandfather's and mother's many families uncles aunts,cousins ripped off and thrown to the dogs...that church has and still is infiltrated by evil people and even dignitaries.lightning ⚡⚡⚡ like frogs.
I never have given to the conference due mainly because of abortions done at Loma Linda Hospital. I give locally to the church instead. I prey that Dr. Vine will stay strong in this fight. Thanks for your hard work in producing this information.
David, can you clarify something you said. Are you saying the Loud Cry is happening now? Because You tube is not the Loud Cry. And if so, when does Global Civil War take place. Are you also saying the Early Rain has fallen. Grateful for a reply.
GC made slot of money from the pandemic,tell the GC to publishize the amount of money it received for promoting the jab . Conrad vine is preaching present truth,he is filled with the spirit of God,he is a Protestant,we are with him, all of us who love and follow present truth & Bible prophecy and 10 commandments.
I think it is wise to give LGBT++ members time to reform repent and get in line with biblical principles. If after an honest conversation or conversations then follow disfellowship procedures just as would for any sinning member.
The problem is they should not have been baptized into the Church. "The principles of righteousness must be implanted in the soul. The faith must grasp the power of Jesus Christ, else there is no safety. Licentious practices are getting to be as common as in the days before the flood. Not one should be buried with Christ by baptism unless they are critically examined whether they have ceased to sin, whether they have fixed moral principles, whether they know what sin is, whether they have moral defilement which God abhors. Find out by close questioning if these persons are really ceasing to sin, if with David they can say, I hate sin with a perfect hatred.--Letter 26d, 1887, p. 6. (To "Brother Covert and those who hold responsible positions in the Indiana Conference," September 27, 1887.) [Manuscript Releases Volume 6, Page 165, Paragraph 3]
I am from a conservative church... but now we allow jewellery-wearing baptismal candidates... it is all about getting numbers... People like elders have pride in the statistics..,
May I ask what you have against Pastor Veith. He brings out all this stuff, so really confused there. He exposes so much. He also walks a close walk with Christ. A very sincere christian who loves the Lord so much.
Walter Veith is confused or is deliberately teaching an untruth by promoting the trinity god. The doctrine of Jesus is Both, Father and Son (few words that say a lot more than most understand) 2 John 9 While the trinity doctrine teaches one God in three persons, yet one God. What sense does that make?
@JudyAnn17 You better listen a whole lot better to what he has to say. He believes in the Father, Son & Holy Spirit. That is what he teaches. Not the catholic trinity. I understand explaining it can be a confusing subject. Seems many are jumping on the band wagon of the Trinity subject and most are saying the exact same thing & don't realize it. They are 3 separate entities period.
@ I highly suggest you look up on line the Roman Catholic trinity diagram and compare it with a seventh day Adventist Trinity diagram, if you are honest, you will admit they are the very same. Should you be dishonest you will not agree that they are the same. And to make my point very clear , he quotes almost word for word, the catholic Trinity. This is taken from the catholic Bible 101 on the holy Trinity . You decide. The holy Trinity - Three persons in one God. How in the world can anyone explain that? The answer is that we in this world cannot. ( question for you, Jubilee Bishop, why do people try to explain a Trinity when it’s a mystery?) continuing on with the Catholic quote, it is a mystery beyond our comprehension. How can there be three separate persons- The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit - but yet still all be the same God? This is truly a question that we take on faith as Catholics, because our limited human brain simply cannot understand it. And while we cannot fathom this mystery, as Catholics, we know and love this fact of three persons in one, God. And by the way, the word “ Trinity “ does not appear in the Bible. Some of our protestants (one who protest against the Catholic Church) brothers and sisters use this tragedy against Catholics concerning the word “ purgatory” , another word which doesn’t appear in the Bible, but yet, the doctrine is. The doctrine of the Trinity was formulated overtime. Taken from the RH April 17, 1883👉 SDA’S…. Hold to the distinct personality of the Father and Son, rejecting as absurd that feature of trinitarianism, which insists that God, and Christ , and the Holy Spirit are three persons, and yet but one person. From the Catholics : Our opponent sometimes claim that no belief should be held automatically which is not explicitly stated in scripture . 👉 but the Protestant churches have themselves accepted such dogmas as the Trinity, for which there is no precise authority in the gospels. Graham Greene, the assumption of Mary, life magazine, October 30, 1950 page 51 Most of the founders of the seventh day, Adventism would not be able to join the church today if they had to subscribe to the denominations fundamental beliefs. More specifically, most would not be able to agree to believe number two, which deals with the doctrine of the Trinity ministry magazine, October 1993 George Knight. You must now decide whether to trust fully in WV or the Word of God and what WAS a strong pillar of our church in EGW days.
Mrs. White knew the third person was Jesus Christ she only ever revealed two divine Beings. Father and Son, which is the doctrine of Jesus Christ. 2 John 9 The doctrine of Jesus, is Both, Father and Son. She never said we were to exalt the Holy Spirit . She only said God and Christ alone are to be exalted. Be careful how you read things. For God is not a Trinity and he never told us to rename him and call him by another unknown God.
If you are still sending tithe to your conference and it is finding its way to the ungodly and you are expecting God to bless this church. I believe you are mistaken. Unfortunately money is their love and we must remove it so they leave or repent.
I have a question about the SDA Kinship which is an LGBTQ group.... I heard from another pastor they have kept this group on the downlow because they are receiving tithe money... but I saw something about it trademarking the SDA name before the GC as a separate entity... I'm a 4th generation Adventist and only found out about this group a few months ago... apparently they've been around since the 70s... can you provide any insight or clarification about this group or the other pastors accusations
Yes, they have been around since at least the 70's. As far as this group, most are good standing members of the General Conference. They tell us themselves that their organization has 10's of thousands of good standing members, even pastors and elders and some in high conference positions in the organization.
@@thirdangelsmessage1669 I watch regularly.forgive my froward question. I know a man put out of SDA church for teaching Gods righteousness in the case of Ananias and Sapphira : found in Leviticus 27 verses 28 and 29...when the church hirelings found him teaching the Gospel and pre advent judgement and more ,they violently put him out ...but that was then .I plead for all to research ISO 8601...and the Nohide laws that are signed documents,but not yet enforced...much research on Jacob his name changed to Israel and it's relation to the image of the beast.you may TH-cam indwelling word lastest post today Sat dec 14....give him a chance ...but we both know: cursed is the man that trust in man....blessed is the man that puts his trust in GOD...GOD BLESS YOU...
You need to upgrade your equipment or your skills. I cannot read anything you put up, videos are very fuzzy, and you are out of synch with your video/audio. I've subscribed and I would like to follow, but I can not. I am a very visual learner and this hurts my head and eyes.
I'm thinking now that I'm leaving the adventist church but not the belief. I don't know about you people, I will not going to follow these corrupt arrogant conference leaders! This is very dangerous and I don't want to be deceived. I don't need to be under the conference to spread the word of God ( gospel ) and to do helping others.
If the leaders in the SDA Church are following Biblical Truths what Dr Vine said should not have had any impact. And there lies the problem!
Amen!!
Exactly...
100% That is what I have been saying.,. and taking it one step further...if they are a faithful conference then they may receive even more tithe (if the GC refuses to make amends and if a once-in-a-hundred-year pandemic comes again)
@ and if the bc is walking in Christ’s footsteps the controversy should not inflame the emotions.
LORD please help us to be able to discern the truth and see the light always ! Happy blssed Sabbath brothers and sisters !❤
It is such a Blessing to be outside of that trademarked abominable denomination. The pioneers did not even want a name for the organization, but they needed a name in order to organize and be able to make the doctrine known to a lost world. We that know the doctrine are Gods True people, that name has been corrupted, but the minds of Gods True people have not been. Father in Heaven, go with us as we make known your doctrine, and help us to live it out on the earth, in Jesus Name, Amen! 🙏
Rome never changes.
1884 GC we need to study the second angels message again.
I am seeing another coming out that Mrs. White said she hoped would not happen. Pages 230-240
This makes me cry watching the downfall of our leadership, even though we knew it was going down.
I also noticed Jim’s body language trying to keep a cool head. His swaying keeping him from fainting, it appears too me, wishing he wasn’t there being put on the spot.
Amen, brother D, and keep speaking the truth even if the heavens fall. We must like share and give a thumbs up to help this message reach more people. Holy sabbath blessings to all. Love you.
The Michigan Conference should 26:04 never have used Sabbath service time to deliver their distasteful message. That man changed the Sabbath rest and refreshing for the entire church
Jesuits don’t follow the Sabbath they hate it.
Another Excellent Message, Thank you David Barron.
Praise God
Please watch.
God Blessings Brothers and Sisters.
There’s little time left.
We expose the act of evil in our church but we cannot argue with them because that's not the character of God. God can see us with our sufferings.
Amen! A great reformation is needed, and will come
If its me I will not coming back, period! Wake up people , these corrupt leaders its obvious they're not for us and not for God ( not for the truth )! Help us Jesus! And thank you for exposing these corrupt leaders through your humble servant ( Dr Vine and Pastor Kelly )!🙏🏼
Amen !!! @ Brother David Barron
Thanks for the loud cry!!
Blessed be God for the reformation which is kindled afresh! May we all be faithful and ready for the battle!
Very good message. We are definitely living in the end times.
Village Church needs to shut it down every member should refuse to show up pay tie or even worship in that church until that conference present steps down and they correct this issue
Many conferences are the same. I know of a 26 year running a campus ministry at York University Canada, banned him from speaking in all the churches, 15 years ago
This is happening on a broad scale. It just hasn't been as publicized as the Vine/Kelly situation. The leadership today is not different than the leadership that crucified Christ.
Amen
The Church should've walked out on him and he wouldn't have know what to do!
We did that back in the 1980's and we got another pastor that was not corrupted, but the Southern California General Conference was corrupted from the top to the bottom, but not all were corrupted, but they didnt take a stand! They shouldve found another job.
No coward or Hiling who is working for the love of Money should Resign,from God's vineyard,don't turn God's truth preaching movement into a den of liers
Amen, let the truth be told
Great presentation. Happy Sabbath 🙏🏻
JESUS Christ never ever read from a man made script, JESUS read from The Holy Scripture, 😮😢 the WORD of The Living God.
Amen
Thank you for sharing
Awesome! Thanks so much!
Why don’t they start a new church called “ The Remnant ”
The Bible as their doctrine ❤
Hmmm, and there it starts all over again, all things become corrupted. Respectfully, I think there will be individuals from all over, who love God and follow His word, these are the remnant, not any named organisation or denomination🙏🏽
Amen! 100% Thank you brother!
I'm thinking now that I'm leaving the adventist church but not the belief. I don't know about you people, I will not going to follow these corrupt arrogant conference leaders! This is very dangerous and I don't want to be deceived. I don't need to be under the conference to spread the word of God ( gospel ) and to do helping others.
Do not leave. Satan wins with every person who leaves...
Stay and FIGHT!
EGW said in Great Controversy P606
In every generation God has sent His servants to rebuke sin, both in the world and in the church. But the people desire smooth things spoken to them, and the pure, unvarnished truth is not acceptable.
Conrad Vine, is such a man. Someone who is willing to stand for right
Time for action - I Support strategy proposed by Dr Conrad Vine.
great job! Did Michef ever apologize? What a great blunder coming to the church and trying to patch up everything, nothing was smoothed over. This church looks like they will stand to the end with kelly and Vine, lets see.
The One and Only "ORGANIZATION" IS the spiritual "Body" of Christ, there IS, and HAS BEEN, and WILL BE - NO OTHER! Your friend and brother in Christ!
They don’t have any shame at all how can we keep on following them as a church of God. God will punish them
How do you sell assets if the GC owns all the properties?
The GC leadership needs to be changed, and then sell it all and start over. That was what the lady was meaning. But we should not be giving anymore to that.
To@Plantingtheseed....years ago real estate persons can in unknown and drew up illegal contracts and sold much land that the members had bought....then used the verse " don't you know you will judge angles.so don't go to the authorities.....they stole all my Great Great grandfather's and mother's many families uncles aunts,cousins ripped off and thrown to the dogs...that church has and still is infiltrated by evil people and even dignitaries.lightning ⚡⚡⚡ like frogs.
I never have given to the conference due mainly because of abortions done at Loma Linda Hospital. I give locally to the church instead. I prey that Dr. Vine will stay strong in this fight. Thanks for your hard work in producing this information.
We walk away, because we're not taking the building with us when we have to flee!!!
David, can you clarify something you said. Are you saying the Loud Cry is happening now?
Because You tube is not the Loud Cry.
And if so, when does Global Civil War take place. Are you also saying the Early Rain has fallen.
Grateful for a reply.
GC made slot of money from the pandemic,tell the GC to publishize the amount of money it received for promoting the jab .
Conrad vine is preaching present truth,he is filled with the spirit of God,he is a Protestant,we are with him, all of us who love and follow present truth & Bible prophecy and 10 commandments.
Watch the clip - "Getting Paid
I think it is wise to give LGBT++ members time to reform repent and get in line with biblical principles. If after an honest conversation or conversations then follow disfellowship procedures just as would for any sinning member.
The problem is they should not have been baptized into the Church.
"The principles of righteousness must be implanted in the soul. The faith must grasp the power of Jesus Christ, else there is no safety. Licentious practices are getting to be as common as in the days before the flood. Not one should be buried with Christ by baptism unless they are critically examined whether they have ceased to sin, whether they have fixed moral principles, whether they know what sin is, whether they have moral defilement which God abhors. Find out by close questioning if these persons are really ceasing to sin, if with David they can say, I hate sin with a perfect hatred.--Letter 26d, 1887, p. 6. (To "Brother Covert and those who hold responsible positions in the Indiana Conference," September 27, 1887.) [Manuscript Releases Volume 6, Page 165, Paragraph 3]
@ those leaders who allowed baptism to sinning members also need to be disciplined, in my opinion.
I am from a conservative church... but now we allow jewellery-wearing baptismal candidates... it is all about getting numbers... People like elders have pride in the statistics..,
May I ask what you have against Pastor Veith. He brings out all this stuff, so really confused there. He exposes so much. He also walks a close walk with Christ. A very sincere christian who loves the Lord so much.
Walter Veith is confused or is deliberately teaching an untruth by promoting the trinity god. The doctrine of Jesus is Both, Father and Son (few words that say a lot more than most understand) 2 John 9
While the trinity doctrine teaches one God in three persons, yet one God. What sense does that make?
@JudyAnn17
You better listen a whole lot better to what he has to say. He believes in the Father, Son & Holy Spirit. That is what he teaches. Not the catholic trinity. I understand explaining it can be a confusing subject. Seems many are jumping on the band wagon of the Trinity subject and most are saying the exact same thing & don't realize it. They are 3 separate entities period.
@ I highly suggest you look up on line the Roman Catholic trinity diagram and compare it with a seventh day Adventist Trinity diagram, if you are honest, you will admit they are the very same. Should you be dishonest you will not agree that they are the same.
And to make my point very clear , he quotes almost word for word, the catholic Trinity.
This is taken from the catholic Bible 101 on the holy Trinity . You decide.
The holy Trinity - Three persons in one God. How in the world can anyone explain that? The answer is that we in this world cannot. ( question for you, Jubilee Bishop, why do people try to explain a Trinity when it’s a mystery?) continuing on with the Catholic quote, it is a mystery beyond our comprehension. How can there be three separate persons- The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit - but yet still all be the same God? This is truly a question that we take on faith as Catholics, because our limited human brain simply cannot understand it. And while we cannot fathom this mystery, as Catholics, we know and love this fact of three persons in one, God. And by the way, the word “ Trinity “ does not appear in the Bible. Some of our protestants (one who protest against the Catholic Church) brothers and sisters use this tragedy against Catholics concerning the word “ purgatory” , another word which doesn’t appear in the Bible, but yet, the doctrine is. The doctrine of the Trinity was formulated overtime.
Taken from the RH April 17, 1883👉 SDA’S…. Hold to the distinct personality of the Father and Son, rejecting as absurd that feature of trinitarianism, which insists that God, and Christ , and the Holy Spirit are three persons, and yet but one person.
From the Catholics :
Our opponent sometimes claim that no belief should be held automatically which is not explicitly stated in scripture . 👉 but the Protestant churches have themselves accepted such dogmas as the Trinity, for which there is no precise authority in the gospels.
Graham Greene, the assumption of Mary, life magazine, October 30, 1950 page 51
Most of the founders of the seventh day, Adventism would not be able to join the church today if they had to subscribe to the denominations fundamental beliefs. More specifically, most would not be able to agree to believe number two, which deals with the doctrine of the Trinity ministry magazine, October 1993 George Knight.
You must now decide whether to trust fully in WV or the Word of God and what WAS a strong pillar of our church in EGW days.
@ The Holy Spirit will be recognized as Christ when we see Him in the clouds of heaven.
EGW GBC April 23, 1901 RH April 30th, 1901 vs WV.
Mrs. White knew the third person was Jesus Christ she only ever revealed two divine Beings. Father and Son, which is the doctrine of Jesus Christ. 2 John 9 The doctrine of Jesus, is Both, Father and Son.
She never said we were to exalt the Holy Spirit . She only said God and Christ alone are to be exalted. Be careful how you read things. For God is not a Trinity and he never told us to rename him and call him by another unknown God.
If you are still sending tithe to your conference and it is finding its way to the ungodly and you are expecting God to bless this church. I believe you are mistaken. Unfortunately money is their love and we must remove it so they leave or repent.
I have a question about the SDA Kinship which is an LGBTQ group.... I heard from another pastor they have kept this group on the downlow because they are receiving tithe money... but I saw something about it trademarking the SDA name before the GC as a separate entity... I'm a 4th generation Adventist and only found out about this group a few months ago... apparently they've been around since the 70s... can you provide any insight or clarification about this group or the other pastors accusations
Yes, they have been around since at least the 70's. As far as this group, most are good standing members of the General Conference. They tell us themselves that their organization has 10's of thousands of good standing members, even pastors and elders and some in high conference positions in the organization.
@thirdangelsmessage1669 Thank you for your response..So they are actual members and not a separate organization?
@@Vito-sl3wj Yes, most are members they say, the org is its own org though.
The scriptures are out of focus can’t read them
Something got skipped
Are you s Sheppard rod denomination ? Just asking i don't judge .
No, Not at all Phillip.
Brother Phillip, what made you ask him that question?
@@thirdangelsmessage1669 I watch regularly.forgive my froward question. I know a man put out of SDA church for teaching Gods righteousness in the case of Ananias and Sapphira : found in Leviticus 27 verses 28 and 29...when the church hirelings found him teaching the Gospel and pre advent judgement and more ,they violently put him out ...but that was then .I plead for all to research ISO 8601...and the Nohide laws that are signed documents,but not yet enforced...much research on Jacob his name changed to Israel and it's relation to the image of the beast.you may TH-cam indwelling word lastest post today Sat dec 14....give him a chance ...but we both know: cursed is the man that trust in man....blessed is the man that puts his trust in GOD...GOD BLESS YOU...
@@ayayialognon4445 I sent many text but the algorithm deleted much of it......all the time.
You need to upgrade your equipment or your skills. I cannot read anything you put up, videos are very fuzzy, and you are out of synch with your video/audio. I've subscribed and I would like to follow, but I can not. I am a very visual learner and this hurts my head and eyes.
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I'm thinking now that I'm leaving the adventist church but not the belief. I don't know about you people, I will not going to follow these corrupt arrogant conference leaders! This is very dangerous and I don't want to be deceived. I don't need to be under the conference to spread the word of God ( gospel ) and to do helping others.
amen