Very true. As a Snooker fan (a type of Billiards like pool), the shot technique, like in Archery is what everyone spends years working on. If you look at some of the Snooker Pros, their technique is technically awful, however they are used to it after years of playing and if you try to replicate it you will miss all the time.
Hey NUSensei, thanks for your insights they're great as always. I have recently been following the Jake Kaminski form series, which has been instrumental in building my form and has me shooting way beyond my (and my sons) expectations, they're invaluable, BUT, as you talk about, it's not the WHAT it's the WHY. I struggled with my form between Set and Set-up, it caused me shoulder injury, pain and bad alignment (and as we know everything goes downhill from there!). I realised I was going through the motions of form but not fully understanding the WHY, once I grasped that I could FEEL the process working... an Hallelujah moment believe me! My understanding came from a lot of time asking WHY? time in front of the mirror with a light pipe bow and lots and lots of arrows... the other way I'm sure is to get a good local coach who can supplement the online learning and explain on an individual by individual basis. Thanks again Mate, your content is great.
Been there, done that. During my early archery journey I combined angular draw and linear expansion. It works but I ended up hitting a plateau. Fast forward today now I'm sticking with the KSL shot cycle from start to finish and I couldn't be happier with my results.
This is a prime example of when styles clash. Linear draw has its advantages, as does angular draw. But they don't work together. However, without the benefit of knowing the process and technique, a new archer will mimic but not process what others are doing.
I'm a fan of Oh Jin Heyk . I enjoy watching him make that light circle with his bow hand . Can't copy his use of instinct when he decides to release . But it's fascinating to watch . No matter the system or training approach it still an individual sport .and individual skill . Always will be that little thing that makes it their own style .
I'm a big proponent of experimenting. And by that I mean when you try something different, try it for a thousand arrows. Then make a judgement of it was a good change or not. A hundred arrows or a round tells you nothing. You need to know what works for you personally, as we're all different. You may find idiosyncrasies that work for you but no coach would recommend. Myself for example I hold my breath when aiming and through to release. I come from a rifle shooting background, and I'm strong enough that I don't run out of strength without oxygen for a few seconds. Another person might find holding their breath causes excessive shaking before they can release. Etc etc.
I've only been shooting 18 months but I couldn't agree more. I think it's the same for learning almost anything whereby, what works for me is to take in as much as I possibly can, but understand that some of it will work for me, and some of it won't. That doesn't mean that it's wrong, it's more like thinking of it as a good suit where bespoke and tailored to me specifically, will always work better than something that is designed for everyone.
That is so true, what you say about WA cutting the video straight to full draw. It’s really annoying if you want to analyze the process (or what can be seen of it).
I enjoy watching Archery a lot to. But there is a danger in this. World Archery 2021 in Paris did a piece where they highlighted "Punchers". Yes archers that punch their shots very quickly as the sight picture pin passes through the gold, quick squeeze the thumb. Kind of sounds like someone with target panic. It is a technique that may work for a limited time, until it does not work because they actually do get target panic. They do everything wrong and it works, until it does not work. I also like to watch the martial arts like Kyudo and incorporating it into my archery. In that, the martial art tends to emphasize the form of how to use a bow and arrow. Clearing my mind and spirit of all other things and following a form, I do spend some additional time in aiming even if most of it comes with the form of firing. I do present uniquely, it is working and I am getting better with practice. I do care about my scores and are improving them by focusing on form and spirit.
Don't forget that these people who you would like imitate are very trained. In his videos Jake Kaminski says that he trained for 6 years full time whilst being coached plus more years of archery. So trying to shoot like that after watching something a couple of times is not possible. Your own shot cycle will only work for you if it is something that you can do repeatedly and reasonably easily.
I try to watch as much pro shooting as I can. When I do, I try to analyse what they’re doing. Not to copy, but see their process ... what they do every time. I then try to think about my own process in the same details ... am I doing everything the same way every time? And then try to work out how and why I’m messing up.
Hi NuSnsei. I‘m recently interested in archery. I knew you already from your War Thunder and other gaming Videos. I got in contact with archery in a depression clinic, where i will leave by the end of the week. We‘ve been shooting more traditional bows here. I watched a lot of your videos lately (lots of time to burn here). I‘m interested in barebow shooting a lot. I‘ve been thinking over and over what bow to buy. Today I‘m lucky i bought a bow. I bought a kinetic stylized riser and some carbon with bamboo core limbs today (i forgot the name of the limbs, because the receipt is in my car and i had to deposit the bow at the staff of the hospital). Can‘t wait to shoot it tomorrow. I bought some pretty thick 700 arrows too (forgotthe name) and the string is not very expensive. I live in switzerland, near german border. In the shop they let me shoot around 150 arrows and try another nice bow (traditional recurve). From mondays to wednesdays they have the shop only opened to people who make a appointment, so they have enough time for the customers. That was a very nice shopping experience, i didn‘t expect that. I look forward tojoin a club, although i‘m not the club type of guy, I‘m more of a loner. The shop promised me some coaching hours and gave me a free visitors card for one month on their outdoors target field and on the 3d parcours. Thanks for your great videos. A lot of information but very understandable. Greetings from switzerland
That's excellent. I'm sure the coaches will be good for you. Even if you join a club, you don't have to do all the social things - it might not be for you but you may find that discussing archery related stuff with other people in the club might be something that helps you
Will224000 thank you! It has 30 lp limbs. I was shooting many arrows in the shop and it was quite nice. I felt the weight of the bow more than the draw weight. The left arm got tired after 1 hour of shooting by holding it out with the weight. The bow wasn‘t expensive compared to a hoyt or win&win. The prices for the riser and the limbs were about 1/3 of a hoyt. As far as i could see and feel it seems to be quite good quality. There was even a cheaper version that would be probably 1/5 of a hoyt. I don‘t remember the type of hoyt hanging there, but the hoyt riser was 850 Euros, my Kinetic was 230.-. Also the limbs were 230 Euros.
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Great video and summary. I wasn’t sure where it was going until you brought it full circle.
Glad you got to know the why from The Godfather himself.
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I love that you two pay so much attention to eachother
9:01 🙌
Very true. As a Snooker fan (a type of Billiards like pool), the shot technique, like in Archery is what everyone spends years working on. If you look at some of the Snooker Pros, their technique is technically awful, however they are used to it after years of playing and if you try to replicate it you will miss all the time.
Not all pros has bad technique. For example Ding Junhui has excellent, but in fact some of the old champions are far from ideal.
Hey NUSensei, thanks for your insights they're great as always. I have recently been following the Jake Kaminski form series, which has been instrumental in building my form and has me shooting way beyond my (and my sons) expectations, they're invaluable, BUT, as you talk about, it's not the WHAT it's the WHY. I struggled with my form between Set and Set-up, it caused me shoulder injury, pain and bad alignment (and as we know everything goes downhill from there!). I realised I was going through the motions of form but not fully understanding the WHY, once I grasped that I could FEEL the process working... an Hallelujah moment believe me! My understanding came from a lot of time asking WHY? time in front of the mirror with a light pipe bow and lots and lots of arrows... the other way I'm sure is to get a good local coach who can supplement the online learning and explain on an individual by individual basis. Thanks again Mate, your content is great.
Yes, you need to understand why you are doing what you are doing to get better at most things.
Been there, done that. During my early archery journey I combined angular draw and linear expansion. It works but I ended up hitting a plateau. Fast forward today now I'm sticking with the KSL shot cycle from start to finish and I couldn't be happier with my results.
This is a prime example of when styles clash. Linear draw has its advantages, as does angular draw. But they don't work together. However, without the benefit of knowing the process and technique, a new archer will mimic but not process what others are doing.
I'm a fan of Oh Jin Heyk .
I enjoy watching him make that light circle with his bow hand .
Can't copy his use of instinct when he decides to release .
But it's fascinating to watch .
No matter the system or training approach it still an individual sport .and individual skill .
Always will be that little thing that makes it their own style .
Thank you NU !
I'm a big proponent of experimenting. And by that I mean when you try something different, try it for a thousand arrows. Then make a judgement of it was a good change or not. A hundred arrows or a round tells you nothing. You need to know what works for you personally, as we're all different.
You may find idiosyncrasies that work for you but no coach would recommend. Myself for example I hold my breath when aiming and through to release. I come from a rifle shooting background, and I'm strong enough that I don't run out of strength without oxygen for a few seconds. Another person might find holding their breath causes excessive shaking before they can release. Etc etc.
Excellent points.
Sensei, are you a pro? Like, an olympian or something?
I've only been shooting 18 months but I couldn't agree more. I think it's the same for learning almost anything whereby, what works for me is to take in as much as I possibly can, but understand that some of it will work for me, and some of it won't. That doesn't mean that it's wrong, it's more like thinking of it as a good suit where bespoke and tailored to me specifically, will always work better than something that is designed for everyone.
That is so true, what you say about WA cutting the video straight to full draw. It’s really annoying if you want to analyze the process (or what can be seen of it).
Well done, great video and points covered accurately. Thanks
How about analyzing the form of Brady and Pace(two gold medals)?
I enjoy watching Archery a lot to. But there is a danger in this. World Archery 2021 in Paris did a piece where they highlighted "Punchers". Yes archers that punch their shots very quickly as the sight picture pin passes through the gold, quick squeeze the thumb. Kind of sounds like someone with target panic. It is a technique that may work for a limited time, until it does not work because they actually do get target panic. They do everything wrong and it works, until it does not work.
I also like to watch the martial arts like Kyudo and incorporating it into my archery. In that, the martial art tends to emphasize the form of how to use a bow and arrow. Clearing my mind and spirit of all other things and following a form, I do spend some additional time in aiming even if most of it comes with the form of firing. I do present uniquely, it is working and I am getting better with practice. I do care about my scores and are improving them by focusing on form and spirit.
Don't forget that these people who you would like imitate are very trained. In his videos Jake Kaminski says that he trained for 6 years full time whilst being coached plus more years of archery. So trying to shoot like that after watching something a couple of times is not possible. Your own shot cycle will only work for you if it is something that you can do repeatedly and reasonably easily.
I try to watch as much pro shooting as I can.
When I do, I try to analyse what they’re doing. Not to copy, but see their process ... what they do every time. I then try to think about my own process in the same details ... am I doing everything the same way every time? And then try to work out how and why I’m messing up.
Hi NuSnsei. I‘m recently interested in archery. I knew you already from your War Thunder and other gaming Videos. I got in contact with archery in a depression clinic, where i will leave by the end of the week. We‘ve been shooting more traditional bows here. I watched a lot of your videos lately (lots of time to burn here). I‘m interested in barebow shooting a lot. I‘ve been thinking over and over what bow to buy. Today I‘m lucky i bought a bow. I bought a kinetic stylized riser and some carbon with bamboo core limbs today (i forgot the name of the limbs, because the receipt is in my car and i had to deposit the bow at the staff of the hospital). Can‘t wait to shoot it tomorrow. I bought some pretty thick 700 arrows too (forgotthe name) and the string is not very expensive. I live in switzerland, near german border. In the shop they let me shoot around 150 arrows and try another nice bow (traditional recurve). From mondays to wednesdays they have the shop only opened to people who make a appointment, so they have enough time for the customers. That was a very nice shopping experience, i didn‘t expect that. I look forward tojoin a club, although i‘m not the club type of guy, I‘m more of a loner. The shop promised me some coaching hours and gave me a free visitors card for one month on their outdoors target field and on the 3d parcours. Thanks for your great videos. A lot of information but very understandable. Greetings from switzerland
then all the best in your future archery endeavors :-) sounds like you got a good start ...
That's excellent. I'm sure the coaches will be good for you. Even if you join a club, you don't have to do all the social things - it might not be for you but you may find that discussing archery related stuff with other people in the club might be something that helps you
Will224000 thank you! It has 30 lp limbs. I was shooting many arrows in the shop and it was quite nice. I felt the weight of the bow more than the draw weight. The left arm got tired after 1 hour of shooting by holding it out with the weight. The bow wasn‘t expensive compared to a hoyt or win&win. The prices for the riser and the limbs were about 1/3 of a hoyt. As far as i could see and feel it seems to be quite good quality. There was even a cheaper version that would be probably 1/5 of a hoyt. I don‘t remember the type of hoyt hanging there, but the hoyt riser was 850 Euros, my Kinetic was 230.-. Also the limbs were 230 Euros.
Lubos Soltes thank you!
Peter Schofield it‘s true, maybe talking about technical stuff is really more interesting distraction from everyday worries
Kaminsky = my spirit animal :)
What do you think of the techniques used by Lars Anderson?
I think he has some videos on that
🤣🤣🤣
Ki Bo Bae😻
Experiment and incorporate
I shoot like Lurtz.
Wrong pros like you bro, sorry
But he is not a pro, at all
@@ziweiwang1704 yeah that is true
He doesn't say people should imitate him. In fact the whole point of the video seemed to have passed you by.