Great video, but I think your comment on the "five minute walkable" design isn't taking in the account that people can go where they want. They don't HAVE to work or shop at the places nearest to them, and even beyond that, it's not like they're trapped in that single area. Each chunk isn't disconnected or inaccessible from any other place. The convenience is nice and it prevents things like food deserts or urban sprawl, which could become a real problem even before you added a third dimension to the space. There could also be public spaces such as parks and libraries or attractions like theaters and museums to motivate people to go beyond their usual route if one was that concerned. Especially given the fact this would be a city without cars, that means that they'd only be able to GO where they could fesibly walk. It evenly distributes resources, and since your neighbors are also your coworkers and such it creates a greater sense of community, which could help alleviate the loneliness epidemic in our modern society. Not saying that the line is a good idea or even possible. It's extremely stupid. Just I disagree with you on that one point.
Love the input! And I do agree that they may not be trapped in a 5-min circle all the time. Maybe it’s something I just said as the emotions about the line come to me haha my bad!
From a firefighter point of view, The Line is a fire death trap. Fire loves to burn in a vertical direction with an unlimited supply of fresh air feeding it from below. This project is more like a penal colony with no escape, than a nice place to live.
Thanks for your comment and I agree, this is a very important point! Hazards and emergencies are hard to deal with in this confined space. Not to mention that the entry points are only the ends (plans aren’t clearly showing if there are any other entry/exit points) and the top.
im an architect worked in high end projects. ur spot on with what ur comments. in the begining neom was designed in a way properly by an american professor as a line city not a skyscraper.
I was supposed to work at Neom several years ago for engineering their water structure that would clean their water and desalinate sea water, etc. The plans they wanted were so absurd as the technology doesn't even exist yet. I literally thought they were messing with me when they asked me if my team could build it. I was like, "Wait, you don't even have a real plan, you want others to engineer something that doesn't even exist yet?" Let's just say it was a very short call.
Woah, thanks for your comment! It’s interesting hearing from someone who was close to working on the project! Quite a story you have there! What did they answer haha or was it a classic “you go figure it out” thing? 😬
Actually money will be the main problem. Just make a rough calculation how much 100 metres would cost. And then multiply that by 1700. $500 billion is not nearly enough. That's why the project will fail. They started to built 2.4 kilometres, but I am pretty sure that even those 2.4 kilometres will never be completed.
Yeah I agree! Apart from the actual construction costs, transporting materials and housing workers will greatly add expenses to the project itself. Even more so since it's in a very remote location!
Typically a design mitigates engineering issues, this creates them, which will add construction costs and likely increase maintenance expenses. The “Line” portion itself is likely a trillion dollar project and that’s just one aspect of NEOM. This design has no vortex shedding….wind will be an issue. At 200m wide this will let in 30 min of midday sun and almost none of that will reach the lower levels. It’s going to be like living in a Mall which I can’t imagine is appealing for a lot of people. A Mall in KSA at that, with views of dirt. NEOMs success is highly dependent on Trojena and whatever the floating tech portion is called. If these can’t be completed due to a lack of finance, everything just kind of falls apart. I have a feeling MBS is going to find himself down a rabbit hole and will likely have to sell off 50% of Armaco if NEOM is expected to be completed.
Exactly! To be honest, that’s what got me into design and architecture in the first place. I love that it provides creative solutions to things but yeah the line missed that very important point. Yeah I can see Trojena and Oxagon (the floating thing haha) working as they are areas where people don’t necessarily have to “live in” it for it to survive. They have other uses aside from being a city for people to stay at. Though from what I’ve been seeing, there are already images of The Line being built but none yet for those two. Maybe I just haven’t seen them but I hope this doesn’t mean they’ll really build The Line first.
@@Cristouffer Wisely, KSA is building (at least the Line part) in stages. The first phase they hope to be done with in 2030 and for it to house one million people……so about 12-13 miles long or 1/9th the size. KSA is actually hosting the Asian Winter Olympics at Trojena in 2029 so I suppose they are on the hook to have that completed and I imagine Oxagon to some degree will need to be done if they are going to attract any professionals to the line. It will be interesting to see how things play out. The renderings are really cool but an architects or a Princes dream is an engineers nightmare.
It will indeed be interesting, I’ll be on the look out for sure. Though as someone that is in the architecture side of things, it’s also a nightmare for me haha!
@@Cristouffer an architects worse nightmare is having a prince (client) who I’m sure is not used to hearing “No” and has his own wild ideas inspired by Hollywood 😂
If it is one line, all one building together 170 km long, the glass walls will crack everywhere. Just look how much tolerance of movement a building like the Empire State Building needs to have, that multiplied by 1300, how much tolerance you need, see it cant work, never
habibi come to saudi !!!!!!!!!!!! curious ka kasi hindi mo pa alam ang life dito sa saudi. maganda ang sun set dito sobrang laki at pula ng araw at , yung mirror naman na sinasabi mo pag nasa loob ka ng clear sya, kita mo lht ang labas..yun lang.hahaha
Hi thanks for the comment! Saw your vid and yes I went here din haha did a whole Expo 2020 video din haha Haven't been in Saudi but from my trips sa Dubai over the years I do agree that the sun there is nice! Pero ang init tho and yun ang baka tumagos sa glass haha maybe it's just me but I can't imagine spending my life in a glass box haha nevertheless, if Neom can find ~9 million people to live in The Line and make it successful, I'm all for it! New waves in urbanism are coming left and right and this is probably just one of it! Either way, I'm curious in what Neom will do to change the future!
Hahaha, actually akala nila Pag saudi is mainit na lagi ang sinasabi, hahaha.. nag sisimula ang init dito Sa saudi ay 3 to 4months Lang, start from June .. alam mo ba Pag tag lamig dito ay nag negative 3degrees. Kami na nga yung umaangal eh Sa lamig Mas matagal kasi yung tag lamig dito, hahah Saka Hindi nila e design yang mirror Ng wala Lang., Sa tingin nyo po isasapalaran nila yung Sustainability sanda mak mak ng mga puno at halaman lalo na Sa mga maninirahan doon, Simpre May counter heat yan..
I have family din sa Saudi kaya aware din ako sa climate there haha and we're talking sustainability, with or without the wall, one of the most unsustainable way to design a city is linear kasi growth and access is limited. Plus, if problem din na masyadong malamig meaning need ng heat source inside The Line which will most probably be heaters of some sort, unnatural, hence unsustainable.
I am not good in english.. and maybe i didn't understand what you say.. but what kind of engenieur you are? You will be subrised what is posseblity in these days..
I’m in architecture and urban planning, not an engineer 😁 And yeah I also have no doubt this can be built which I also mentioned in the video. But should it be built? That’s a different question
Great video, but I think your comment on the "five minute walkable" design isn't taking in the account that people can go where they want. They don't HAVE to work or shop at the places nearest to them, and even beyond that, it's not like they're trapped in that single area. Each chunk isn't disconnected or inaccessible from any other place. The convenience is nice and it prevents things like food deserts or urban sprawl, which could become a real problem even before you added a third dimension to the space. There could also be public spaces such as parks and libraries or attractions like theaters and museums to motivate people to go beyond their usual route if one was that concerned. Especially given the fact this would be a city without cars, that means that they'd only be able to GO where they could fesibly walk. It evenly distributes resources, and since your neighbors are also your coworkers and such it creates a greater sense of community, which could help alleviate the loneliness epidemic in our modern society. Not saying that the line is a good idea or even possible. It's extremely stupid. Just I disagree with you on that one point.
Love the input! And I do agree that they may not be trapped in a 5-min circle all the time. Maybe it’s something I just said as the emotions about the line come to me haha my bad!
From a firefighter point of view, The Line is a fire death trap. Fire loves to burn in a vertical direction with an unlimited supply of fresh air feeding it from below. This project is more like a penal colony with no escape, than a nice place to live.
Thanks for your comment and I agree, this is a very important point! Hazards and emergencies are hard to deal with in this confined space. Not to mention that the entry points are only the ends (plans aren’t clearly showing if there are any other entry/exit points) and the top.
im an architect worked in high end projects. ur spot on with what ur comments. in the begining neom was designed in a way properly by an american professor as a line city not a skyscraper.
Agree, I feel like if it's a regular line city or maybe even just putting it along the body of water, it can work.
I was supposed to work at Neom several years ago for engineering their water structure that would clean their water and desalinate sea water, etc. The plans they wanted were so absurd as the technology doesn't even exist yet. I literally thought they were messing with me when they asked me if my team could build it. I was like, "Wait, you don't even have a real plan, you want others to engineer something that doesn't even exist yet?" Let's just say it was a very short call.
Woah, thanks for your comment! It’s interesting hearing from someone who was close to working on the project! Quite a story you have there! What did they answer haha or was it a classic “you go figure it out” thing? 😬
These sci-fi, near magical projects like "The Line" or all of Musk enterprises are XXI's Snake Oil. Morons need to open their eyes already.
Actually money will be the main problem. Just make a rough calculation how much 100 metres would cost. And then multiply that by 1700. $500 billion is not nearly enough. That's why the project will fail. They started to built 2.4 kilometres, but I am pretty sure that even those 2.4 kilometres will never be completed.
Yeah I agree! Apart from the actual construction costs, transporting materials and housing workers will greatly add expenses to the project itself. Even more so since it's in a very remote location!
Ummm, they said $1trillion dollars
170km/20min = 510kmh
Maglev Shanghai is 460.
Pretty fast!! 👀
@@Cristouffer I see more issues with the project the you even mentioned... I disagree with killing people who refuse to relocate.
Tall buildings create wind issues.. Imagine what kind of wind issues a giant wall like that will cause.
Exactly! I didn’t get to mention this in the video, but I 100% agree that this is quite a big concern. Thanks for the input!
I would NOT live there. 😂 Man, I feel sorry for the birds smashing into their own reflections.
Exactly man! Quite scary!!
Typically a design mitigates engineering issues, this creates them, which will add construction costs and likely increase maintenance expenses. The “Line” portion itself is likely a trillion dollar project and that’s just one aspect of NEOM. This design has no vortex shedding….wind will be an issue. At 200m wide this will let in 30 min of midday sun and almost none of that will reach the lower levels. It’s going to be like living in a Mall which I can’t imagine is appealing for a lot of people. A Mall in KSA at that, with views of dirt. NEOMs success is highly dependent on Trojena and whatever the floating tech portion is called. If these can’t be completed due to a lack of finance, everything just kind of falls apart. I have a feeling MBS is going to find himself down a rabbit hole and will likely have to sell off 50% of Armaco if NEOM is expected to be completed.
Exactly! To be honest, that’s what got me into design and architecture in the first place. I love that it provides creative solutions to things but yeah the line missed that very important point.
Yeah I can see Trojena and Oxagon (the floating thing haha) working as they are areas where people don’t necessarily have to “live in” it for it to survive. They have other uses aside from being a city for people to stay at. Though from what I’ve been seeing, there are already images of The Line being built but none yet for those two. Maybe I just haven’t seen them but I hope this doesn’t mean they’ll really build The Line first.
@@Cristouffer Wisely, KSA is building (at least the Line part) in stages. The first phase they hope to be done with in 2030 and for it to house one million people……so about 12-13 miles long or 1/9th the size. KSA is actually hosting the Asian Winter Olympics at Trojena in 2029 so I suppose they are on the hook to have that completed and I imagine Oxagon to some degree will need to be done if they are going to attract any professionals to the line. It will be interesting to see how things play out. The renderings are really cool but an architects or a Princes dream is an engineers nightmare.
It will indeed be interesting, I’ll be on the look out for sure. Though as someone that is in the architecture side of things, it’s also a nightmare for me haha!
@@Cristouffer an architects worse nightmare is having a prince (client) who I’m sure is not used to hearing “No” and has his own wild ideas inspired by Hollywood 😂
@@martin4819 Haha for sure!!
where is the airport?
As far as I know they haven’t released a detailed zoning plan yet, hence I don’t really know 😬
Crazy rich guy idea judge dredd city on the planet dune
If it is one line, all one building together 170 km long, the glass walls will crack everywhere. Just look how much tolerance of movement a building like the Empire State Building needs to have, that multiplied by 1300, how much tolerance you need, see it cant work, never
I’d imagine the same! It would be pretty hard to build, and even if they do, it’s gonna be hard to see a way how it’ll stay stable!
A good vidéo would be: HOW TO FIX NEOM.
I bet the Saoudis have enough money to make it better
San na yung reaction nung sa dalawa? Whennnnnn????
Hmmm haha
habibi come to saudi !!!!!!!!!!!! curious ka kasi hindi mo pa alam ang life dito sa saudi. maganda ang sun set dito sobrang laki at pula ng araw at , yung mirror naman na sinasabi mo pag nasa loob ka ng clear sya, kita mo lht ang labas..yun lang.hahaha
th-cam.com/video/ggb4cFGo498/w-d-xo.html eto yung link oh neon expo. wag ka mabigla ah.hahaha enjoy watching
Hi thanks for the comment! Saw your vid and yes I went here din haha did a whole Expo 2020 video din haha
Haven't been in Saudi but from my trips sa Dubai over the years I do agree that the sun there is nice! Pero ang init tho and yun ang baka tumagos sa glass haha maybe it's just me but I can't imagine spending my life in a glass box haha nevertheless, if Neom can find ~9 million people to live in The Line and make it successful, I'm all for it! New waves in urbanism are coming left and right and this is probably just one of it! Either way, I'm curious in what Neom will do to change the future!
Hahaha, actually akala nila Pag saudi is mainit na lagi ang sinasabi, hahaha.. nag sisimula ang init dito Sa saudi ay 3 to 4months Lang, start from June .. alam mo ba Pag tag lamig dito ay nag negative 3degrees. Kami na nga yung umaangal eh Sa lamig Mas matagal kasi yung tag lamig dito, hahah Saka Hindi nila e design yang mirror Ng wala Lang., Sa tingin nyo po isasapalaran nila yung Sustainability sanda mak mak ng mga puno at halaman lalo na Sa mga maninirahan doon, Simpre May counter heat yan..
I have family din sa Saudi kaya aware din ako sa climate there haha and we're talking sustainability, with or without the wall, one of the most unsustainable way to design a city is linear kasi growth and access is limited. Plus, if problem din na masyadong malamig meaning need ng heat source inside The Line which will most probably be heaters of some sort, unnatural, hence unsustainable.
@@Cristouffer th-cam.com/video/EgzYfq91Ork/w-d-xo.html ganya po kalamig sa TABUK neom place. . sana kuya maka ranas din tayo ng ganyan sa pinas 🙏🙏
It won’t work
Or will it.
I think it can be built but it’s gonna be hard to make it work. What do you think?
510 km/h
They want to get away from money from oil what they gonna do sell poo XD
Haha by the looks of it, they seem to be working on building their tourism. Probably going global the same way Dubai did
I am not good in english.. and maybe i didn't understand what you say.. but what kind of engenieur you are? You will be subrised what is posseblity in these days..
I’m in architecture and urban planning, not an engineer 😁
And yeah I also have no doubt this can be built which I also mentioned in the video. But should it be built? That’s a different question