Ken Wilber 6-Minute "I Am" Enlightenment Instructions
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- In this extraordinarily brief, to the point, and high-impact 6-minute video, Ken gives pointing out instructions to be able to feel True Self (unitive consciousness) by remembering--in any moment--the "I am" that never changes. He explains how even the process of forgetting to be awake can be a trigger ("who is forgetting?") to reawaken instantly and reliably.
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I’m so happy Prince Sidhartha started a TH-cam channel. I’ve been waiting for 2,500 years now.
I know, right? Tik Tok next? 😆
Who had been waiting before? :)
This guy stole the credit of Sri Aurobindo and attributes all their 4 decade old Saadhana to himself.
@@vkothwal3508 I’ve heard him mention Sri Aurobindo as one of his sources. He had dozens of others and all are given credit in his books and elsewhere.
@@lennon_richardson Credits he can give. What about the Tapasya Saadhana of 40 years of Sri Aurobindo ? How will he bring that experience to the table ?
Adhyatmik Anubhav is not an easy thing that one gets after a few minutes of meditation.
It takes Saadhana decades and decades of Saadhana.
The penny has now dropped! Huge gratitude. What a wonderful speaker
who is the penny? where did it drop in? who watches all this action of penny and dropping?
just kidding. penny dropped here also
@@EdgarLiefde it’s fine, I understand what you are saying….and this whole non dual perspective. But I only understand from a theoretical point of view unfortunately. That’s a start😂🙏
@@markrothery8719 Did you know that, in order to understand that kind of reality, you have to meditate on you're own moment by moment mind and body arisings(Satipatthana in the Buddha's teaching) with the view that what is coming through your feeling, seeing, hearing and thinking sense doors is ultimate reality because it isn't conceptual, it isn't made up by you or anyone. It's just there. So, you hear something and you take the effort to notice that you heard something, then you think "Hey, I just noticed that I was hearing, I'm MEDITATING!". Then you note that you just thought that. It doesn't matter what the thought is, you just note that there was a thought. If you think of something negative like a monster or whatever then you will then probably notice a negative feeling. When you see in this way, you will soon understand what all these bald people are talking about. I am throwing the ball straight to you. Try to catch it. The rewards are unbelivable to those who don't understand how to practice insight meditation. It is really the way to lessen suffering because when we practice like that our reactivity to discomfort and fear greatly lessens.🙏
Non-dualism consciousness. Beautifully articulated.
I think this is a beautiful practice BUT, Non-duality is beyond “i am” which IS consciousness. There is no more “i am” when duality collapses
Yes..non duality transcends I am ness ... when I disappears
I listen to this every morning. Thank you ❤
This video, over and over again?
WO. I remember, 42 years ago, just getting sober and being drawn to Siddha Yoga. “Soham” or translated as best as you can from Sanskrit to English as “I am that” and realization coming across like wave for the first time in the midst of terrible upset. Instantly, the disturbance I had been experiencing was calmed by simply remembering that. And here 42 years later I am still that, still. ;)
Some kind of enlightenment?
First reading of yours I came across. Very much appreciate your essence and this reading. Thank you, Diane 😪🥰🙏❤️🔥🌹
I Am is our true nature of being, once you touched it, there will be no turning back,
In my case everything shattered completely, every belief that i have, my religion, each of moment there is a unexplainable transformation happening, it kind of having a streams of wisdom and knowledge connecting through my being, and i really enjoyed it, as this rate there is nothing to achieve and nothing to have, for we already have everything and we have achieved the purpose of life.
one of the best examples ever recorded.
❤❤❤🎉
He communicates incredibly well. What a nice video.
What a treasure! Pure simplicity...
I was given the question "What am I?" But never found an answer because I always assumed it would be some kind of an OBJECT or codition. Thank you for this simple insight about I amness. ❤
"The question, 'who am I?' is not meant to get an answer, the question 'who am I?' is meant to dissolve the questioner."
@@nunosdonatoor... An assumption that there is a person asking the question. What am I is better already was one I liked. It's a mind Fuck.
If you're witnessing it, how is it not an object? It's witnessing itself?
I love Ken. He helped me mightily. Cheers Peace Onward.
Great video and good explanation of ancient eastern philosophy. We are the pure awareness behind our thoughts, forms, feelings and emotions. The ego is no amigo. Stop identifying with the false ego self and connect with your true self or feeling of “I am ness”
I like how he described years of meditation work to go into the unmanifest or unbounded consciousness bliss. I’ve done meditation for a couple years and this explanation helps.
go meditate in a busy mall, experience all the people and noise as one being
I've never heard someone talk with such authority and seriousness and have no idea what they are talking about.
‘The Lips Of Wisdom Are Closed. Except To The Ears Of Understanding’
@@Mercury-Sulphur-Salt😂 BS
Exactly
@@antalperge1007 just because you dont understand something, this does not mean its (bs). It shows your tiny brain has not comprehend what has been said. You will never understand either and will forever be in torment until you change your perspective.
The kicker is he is setting up even more barriers for his students.
The grasping mind attaches to concepts. Ideas. Objects. Thoughts. All of this could be distilled into such a simple message.
This is a display of someone who has drank too much of their own coolaid. Has adopted a rigid "spiritual concept" and decided they were a "teacher".
Zen would say "a teaching outside forms or words." Let go of concepts, awaken to the nature of the true self.
Everything is void but cannot be said to not exist.
I AM …Happy I learned this before this video. I stopped on it because I haven seen one to use the I am mantra. Many gurus came to teach me on the journey. Love for them all.
This has given me the strength to move forward
I Alness never leaves
It is worthy of our being
The inner core that’s is present the watcher watching
Thank you for this timely reminder to strengthen our hearts 💕
AIness never leaves... oh God Elon, please don't let AI in!! 😢
So clear. So clear!!
Thank you!
So much clarity!
You can see through it!
Thank you, this video is perfect for me today!! ❤❤
This is a good summary of Upanishads & Advaita Vedanta in Hinduism.
beautifully to the point exposition
Thanks . This helped me a lot years ago, a help with results that last until today💗🙏💗
Timeless
So clear, so profound! 😃🙏🏾
I - AM- NESS
Much respect MY BROTHER😢
This guy is truly cool :D
"I am distracted" brings my crazy brain right back like nothing else i've tried. thanks!
I love his speech! "Your body's an objects, your feelings are objects, your passions are objects, your dreams are objects, your reltionships are objects, your whole is objects including your kids, the whole reason you kid out of bed is because of objects, the only true meaning is i amness, yourself"
Thank you . This is beautiful.
Ken's 'I AM' seems to be beyond time 😮. Personally speaking I only became aware of this particular flavour of awareness when I was just hitting my teens.
Is there an element if gaslighting here which pushes people to hold a belief that is not supported by ones personal history? The sense of being a conscious entity definitely emerges over time in a person. Ken elevates it far beyond what is supported by experience in my, largely irrelevant, opinion.
gaslighting (internal or external) = more thoughts as opposed to Presence. One could say that the "sense of being a conscious entity" cannot emerge over time since it Is. Children are generally much more in tune with a state of pure Being than a majority of adults; there is no logical thought framework requiring "un-learning" to embrace what Is Always Here.
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@@liquidkaos5977 Children are not self aware in the same way as an adult. That must surely be clear. The pure being you speak of also does not apply to children. You may be confusing innocent awareness with the more complex term 'being'
@@bobkelly3162 I confuse not in this regard; You may be distorting Identity with Being. When someone (in the West especially) is "hitting their teens" - they are generally beginning to embrace/experience their personal Identity, which is a handy wrapper (perhaps), but is therefore split from Source or a full immersion in Being.
Being Is.
How could this not "apply" to children? Logical analysis is required? Have you achieved Samadhi, gnosis or a really decent shag? :)
That said, the I Am ... is only one reflection of one underlying mechanism which can be an excellent tool or springboard to much deeper fun. 😈
Our bodies and material conditions are impermanent, but the witness behind our experience is ever enduring. By touching “I amness” we touch the divine presence / being that exists underneath our physical self / ego.
I've listened to Ken for years.. I always have the sense he stops short... praying for him and his health..
Indeed, those who seek shall find, despite everything.
PROFOUND and so true forever !!!! Thanks Bro !
The I Am comes and then goes. It is that which knows the I Am, which fits the description of what he is referring to. When the I am goes into oblivion that is the Absolute or true nature and it does not come or go.
What comes and goes is the determination of what I am, not the I-am.
The observer is the observed! - J Krishnamurti
I think you are talking about the ego. That which objectivizes I AM
Great point!
Wow! My mind’s blown!!
I liked this. Do more Please-ness-!!!
We are that I Am!
Everything is
Well spoken Sir.
Goodness...my "inner continuity" is what "I am-ness" is - since I was a very small child, I have had, and become aware of this "continuity" the knit all the instances of my being, my body, my thoughts, feelings & experiences, together into ONE sense of who I am no matter how radically I have evolved over my life. This continuity is like a "signature" that is affixed to all the "things" in my reality that I have assumed to be me. And now, it is also revealed to be intimately connected with my silent, singular, self-awareness that transcends my ego and all my material manifestation. Wow! Just WOW!!
Yeah, just wow...
“You can feel the self-contraction”! Excellent! Tell us Who taught this guy everything he knows?
He learnt it. Everyone finds their own way, teachers can only guide you.
"It seems as though God himself is on the journey." Saint Theresa of Avila
There is a difference between I and IAM and what is being talked about is the I, to turn it into I AM there is a process, the process of attaining Samadhi, because that's what the I AM is, a permanent state of superconciousness in a state of supervoncentration, which just means the concentrated state one is in Dhyana meditation has become permanent, as a example if you were practicing Raja Yoga, you would hold one thought of the I in concentration without letting it slip or any other thought penetrate into that holding, just the I thought held for a sufficient amount of time, around 45 min, when one can do this consistantly, then one will leave the last session of Dhyana in a permanent state of I AM, which is Samadhi, and this is the difference between I and I AM.
Thank you so much 🙏🏻 I now understand the difference between "I" and
" I AM"
God bless you 🙌
Powerful.
The "I Am" is the universal SENSE of the one consciousness being aware of itself. It's not possible that the one life, the one infinite consciousness wouldn't be aware of itself. The "I Am " is realized when the thoughts/suggestions etc. of the limited self ( ahamkara) are negated or transcended.
The ever-forgetful yet infallible amnesiac called "I am".
You have to go beyond the I am ness for liberation….in the I am ness there is still a subtle sense of self
We get micro-glimpses of that liberation along our journey but is full abandonment of self and full time presence of Spirit even possible while we walk this earth? Christ experienced that Presence but I question if even the prophets were unable to escape self and the distractions of this life and were primarily holy men who were slightly more liberated than us and were capable of receiving God's guidance.
That’s ultimately true. Only, at this point there is no personal “you”-no self will-to do it. It happens or it doesn’t-according to Divine Will/Grace
Yes, great pointing!
Yes.. this comment is spot on the money!!!
Spitting facts wearing that Matrix sweater 😂
Lmfao please
If this Iamness is ever-present, the next fascinating question is: how do I manage to forget it, to get lost in experience ?
I listen a lot to videos made by Eckhart Tolle, it gives me a lot of answers. Have a great day.
Who forgets it? 😁
The Buddha appears to point out that nibbana (which might be equated to the fundamental self or I Am) is forgotten or not realized because of attachment to desire, that is: desire for sense pleasures (kama tanha), for becoming (bhava tanha) and for annihilation (vibhava tanha). That is, as might be expected from Buddhism, mostly explained in negative terms: the cause of suffering is attachment to those three kinds of desire, but it is also explained that suffering or dhukkha is basically "not-nibbana". Hope this helps.
At 5’ “ All you have to do ...” Except that it is not a doing. It happens spontaneously. You don’t decide to snap back into awareness or I amness. You only recognize that you were gone and now are back.
except you never left "it". never have been gone...
Yes. It doesn't require years of meditation! It's always present and available. It couldn't be otherwise.
Actually, recognizing that you were "gone" is thinking about the fact.
Just take a breath and step out of yourself.
Sssssssemanticssssssss
bastardisation of so much spirituality
Gratitude 🙏
Hello! Could you tell me why should we seek enlightment in this life that passes so fast if the soul will experience eternal enlightment anyway after it leaves the body?
wow .. this is deep :)
So, if I'm understanding this right, the "I am-ness" you talk about is my spirit? Our personality (or persona) is a mask or even a distraction masking our soul...
Michael Graziano's Attention Schema Theory shows how the brain creates the "I amness" experience and explains why it feels disembodied. Interesting that Wilber, like other Advaitans acknowledges that it can be lost in distraction, then regenerated. So, like everything else, it comes and goes just like other phenomena. All we can say is that something seems to be happening. Calling it a separate individual self seems a bit odd. There would have to be something unique to it, that separates it from others - bearing in mind, u can't say memories or experiences since these have been defined by Wilbur as Not Self.
The “I am-ness” for most people though, is a taught belief, another thought, and then from that, a strong feeling of being someone, connecting it to particular traits etc. the real “I am-ness” actually has brought me to the point where I’m nobody, awareness and my whole experience, it’s all me and therefore non of it is me, I may act like someone or personas a lot of the time. But my true inside feeling is basically apathy, which sound a bit weird, but I guess at least it’s truth.
What you call apathy is also referred to as dispassion.
Yeah it's actually more accurately mapped than OP knows. And it's more mapped than Kem Wilber. In fact the above video is sort of sloppy. Mixed in with philosophy. There's a lot of good resources today that explain the same thing and more but way better. And with actual techniques to develop this shit. Angelo DiLullo. Daniel Ingram. Shinzen Young. That kind of shit.
@@gxlorp There's a real simple brain hack to hear the inner silence. Just conduct a deliberate, mundane, emotionally neutral dialogue in your head and then gradually slow the words down until you start hearing clips of silence between thoughts. Gradually try to extend the moments of silence but without worrying - more like increase relaxation of mind.
@@douglascutler1037 very accurate. can also (during the slowness) ... allow for "modification" of intact thoughtforms (thought->feeling->reaction) that are not of good rapport or an unusable distortion of verity.
@@gxlorpPeople who say shit all the time is definitely someone who has reached enlightenment.
so if the self that says "I dont understand this" is the i amness then the I amness doesnt know it knows?
Succinctly put
Thank you 🙏🙏🙏
I wrote a book about iamness. Title: iamness. Content: iamness.
Now it is didness.
Thank you
Presumably, the universe was more complex at one time, just a bunch of goo and fire, and then planets happened, and then water happened, and then life happened, and then plants happened, and then animals happened, then we happened… is the power of the “I am“ not a product of this complexity? Is it possible that the process of “I am-ing” is the very slow methodical process by which the universe continues to expand itself into complexity, and thus expand the depth and power of this I am? Is it possible that we (the I am) are working ourselves toward some kind of… I don’t know… unification or something wuwu?
It's present in your experience? Then who or what does experience this Iamness? Still missleading.
Who are you going to trust, Ken Wilber or the Advaita Master, Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj?
Maharaj is quite explicit as to what the ‘I Am’ is and what it is not. Furthermore he declares confusion around the ‘I Am’ leads to further bondage. Like Wilber, I too was confused about the ‘I Am’ as a disciple of Sri Ramana Maharshi and it led to my own bondage. I shall explain what Maharaj says about the I Am which he described with his great clarity.
For Maharaj getting in touch with one’s ‘I Am-ness’ and the ‘I Am’ is an important milestone and stepping stone to reaching the Supreme Absolute or what the Buddhists would call, the Buddha Mind or One Mind.
Before we can embody the Absolute as Maharaj did, we must embody the ‘I Am’. This is associated with the ‘I Am’ Christ Consciousness in Christianity and as an embodiment of the ‘I Am’, Yeshua or Jesus said no man comes to the Father except through Me ( the Son or Christ Consciousness ). In this metaphor the ‘I Am is the Son and the Absolute is the Father. Maharaj said that the I Am is Brahman and the Absolute is Parabrahman. The Absolute free the movement, vibration and frequency of Condciousness can exist without Consciousness but Consciousness can NOT exist without the Absolute. We can think of the Absolute as the Ocean and it’s dynamic activity as the waves. Consciousness as the ‘I Am’ is in constant flux, Change and Evikution is thus impermanent and therefore can not be Real. The Absolute as Supreme Reality is non-dual Changelessness and Timelessness. Consciousness is bound by time and thus by birth and death. The Absolute transcends all duality and is Unborn and thus is Immortal.
The Universal I Am represents the Resurrection of the Christ Consciousness and the Absolute as the Primordial’I-I’ occurs spontaneously with the Ascension once the ‘I Am’ is fully and totally embodied on a nonverbal level.
So basically the ‘I Am’ is Brahman which comes and goes, the Absolute is the Substrum of Consciousness which is Immovable and Immutable and Indecrible as Primordial Pure Awareness and Perfect Emptiness and Luminosity from a Buddhist standpoint. This clear distinction is most important! Wilber suffers from a common misconception found in the West. The ‘I Am’ is eventually transcended through the Guru’s Grace or G-D, if you will, but once Consciousness is swallowed up in Primordial Empty Self Luminous Awareness or the Buddha Mind, no further transcendence is possible. The Final Goal is reached on the level of the Parabrahman. Of this Maharaj is explicitly clear.
There can be no error on this distinction Maharaj has said without further karmic consequences that bind one to the Wheel of Karma. Maharaj’s original teaching goes into the ‘I Am’ in further detail. I’m giving you the Cliff’s Note version in this comment that hopefully corrects the record for all concerned.
I Am THAT. THAT points to the Absolute beyond the movement of forms, thought, words and ideas in the Great Silence and Sillness of the Heart. ♾️🪬♾️
Namaste, Blessed Soul.
♾️🪷♾️🙏🏽♾️🪷♾️
Its true nonsense to become and seek this. Disconnect from who you are, just die to find out. Be simple observer thats all you can achieve. Beound just emptiness or death not belonging to this life
‘Our feelings are objects’ ??? No they aren’t. They are feelings. In fact ‘I am’ is the feeling. And it shifts and changes. ‘You’ simply observe it. The sense of self is simply the brains Public Relations Officer lol. It makes you feel special. Tells you so. And it speaks for you to the public. Until one realises this one will only ever exist in ego. The above presentation. IMHO is the opposite of actual waking up and finding self actualisation. And being truly authentic
Feelings are everything in life without them life is pointless like mine.
All form - including thoughts and emotions that are felt with the body are still NOT YOU. It doesn’t not belong in I AM
It means that thoughts and feelings are not consciousness but are experienced within consciousness or "objects" within consciousness. Language always struggles in this realm ...
That's one way of looking at it.
How is "I am ness" not just my brains thoughts? I can't separate my thoughts from I am!
Conciously feeling with your senses. Touch something, listen to a sound, taste something, observe something. You achieve not thinking by being in the moment and not thinking about it. Meditation is exactly that. Treat your thoughts as objects that travel through you like dark matter. Observe them if you have to but you can let them go
From my imperience, the (re)cognition of “who doesn’t understand” is merely self reflexive cognition, and doesn’t shift the centre from ego to I-amness or original consciousness. Whereas, abiding as awareness without making an object out of who is trying to understand but doesn’t, reintegrates the ego into “I-amness”.
Beautifully put ❤
The I am-ness surrounded by the such-ness of everything that is with its own I am-ness is the yearning to be with the separateness in one as with the other such that the I am-ness is never divisible but whole. My purple chakra glows.
I don't have a sense of "I am-ness" from 60 years ago. It seems to only start from when I was about 3. I don't know how to resolve that w/ the above idea.
The sense "I am" is not your true self. That is your ego. The exercise is meant to take you to the root of the mind which is the sense of "self". The sense and feeling of "I am". Its showing you where to look and directing you to your sense of "being". Both the concept of "self" & "no self" are false. It is to be meditated upon not just verbalized or thought about. He mistook the vehicle for the destination. If you are interested in understanding these teachings try Nisargadatta Maharaj & Ramana Maharishi.
Wow I just became enlightened
Who did?
All well and good but, what can we do with this?
'Mano, buddh, ahamkara, cittani naham' - Adi Shankracharya. Drop also this sense of 'I am'. At least - be willing to drop it. Mano is the grasping mind that wants to do things and build things. Buddhi is the discerning intellect. Ahamkara is the sense of "I am'. Cittani is the rest of the little thoughts. Naham means 'not me' - 'That's not what I am'. I have heard numerous people have had spontaneous kundalini experiences listening to the calm and wonderful scholar. Try all the methods. When the central channel opens and the crown lotus gradually clears... the sense of ahamkara dissolves in the stages of upper kundalini process. A master of opening the central channel - sushumna, the easy way - is hard to find.
In a sense, “I amness” points towards something higher than the physical self / ego. As one touches “I amness” they simultaneously lose the need for external value because value is found within and only within. It’s something that goes beyond the ego self.
Another way to describe “I Amness” is just presence. We aren’t indulging ourselves when we practice I amness but rather our presence in this moment, separate from our egos. Presence / being is the source that we touch, not anything contained in the ego.
This is hodge-podge of advaita then tantric bullshit added. Chakras and kundalini are fiction of the fertile, childish Indian mind. No wonder neither Shankara nor Buddha nor Nagarjuna never mentioned none of that fiction.
y'all good in theories. first do it and then tell people.
Yes!
🧘♂ Achieving a state of unmanifest consciousness through meditative practices, where all objects are suspended, allows one to experience the pure essence of "I amness."
⏳ "I am this, no objects at all, that fundamental ongoing I am-ness. What was present five Millennia ago, yeah, before Abraham was I am that I am. This is the only thing that exists."
⏳ "I am" is an ongoing, unchanging, ever-present reality that existed even before the Big Bang.
💭 Resting in the awareness of "I am" allows one to be present in the moment and experience the infallible nature of existence.
⏳ "Fundamentally, I amness doesn't enter the stream of time and objects, it's The Unborn and therefore it never dies."
🌌 "Before the universe was, I am" - the fundamental absolute secret of the great traditions.
4:11 "If you're aware of 'I am', that's it." Who is it that is aware of 'I am'?
That one episode were Foucault was Buda
Big mind love it
Not a compliment
What is I Am? Where is I Am? How I Am into you?
I'm is packed something in to body who has ability to listen I'm at the same time its you. God packed in the tin to experience God k knows what and for.
@@viktorask By what you are packed inside you? Where is God and who are the othets with you?
@@reazuddinahmed7175 you not your body, body dies, you forcefully stuffed in to this pain body to experience God knows what.
So, how can i perceive this i am- ness without the mind?
You are a spirit the body is a vessel for your spirit which no one sees. Only God and Jesus can see your spirit.
To play devils advocate for a moment...
What if the "I am-ness" is itself just another thought-object? What if this sense of "being me" is itself an illusion, a mere conceptual construct, a compounded impermanent phenomenon?
I have doubts that such analogies and psychological exercises presented in this video can lead to some theoretical "non-conceptual awareness." Maybe "non-conceptual awareness" is just another concept?
If you take the materialist position that material-physical evolution eventually produced mental phenomena like "thinking thoughts" then it seems quite reasonable in that line of reasoning to conclude that... "A THOUGHT" (in what ever form it takes including "identity" & "awareness") is exactly what "consciousness" is.
In other words, we are not really "aware," and we are not really conscious, all we are is a physical body thinking thoughts, and all we do "mentally" is THINK THOUGHTS.
Thoughts can take the form of grandiose, sublime, majestic thoughts like "God" or "Buddha Nature" or "emptiness" or "enlightenment" but they are never anything other than a thought. Or thoughts can take the form of cravings, or malice or injustice or plotting etc. Either way, THINKING is all that our mind does.
Some thoughts look like awareness, some thoughts look like consciousness, some thoughts appear as an "I am" and some thoughts create a sense of being "free of thought-objects."
And yet, there is NO real evidence to suggest that we are ACTUALLY aware or conscious of ANYTHING!
ALL of this could simply be the human brain doing what a human physical brain does - which is produce THOUGHTS.
I'm waiting for any responses to this challenge.
That’s your ego talking lol 😂
@@AFoodReview
An "ego" may as well be just another thought
You Are Right !
Very powerful and useful. But one potential point of confusion and unnecessary belief is that the "I amness" existed even before you were born. While it may have existed as a matter of other people's consciousnesses, the truth of the pure "I amness" that is available to experience by you, is only due to the YOUR field of consciousness. It is a quite a big leap to make the claim that YOUR "I amness" existed BEFORE you were born. Again, as a metaphysical point, it is interesting to consider. But it is NOT required of you to believe that there is an omnipresent, God-consciousness, that your individual consciousness is simply a modification of.
One can continually become awakened from the illusion of the ego, as these instructions are very useful for, without blindly believing this claim about your consciousness simply being a part of the "One Mind". Be at least a little skeptical people. The claim that the ego is an illusion is empirically testable. The claim about different consciousnesses only being modifications of a single One is not empirical, it's metaphysical.
Leave the metaphysics aside, this world doesn't need more blind belief. It simply reduces the credibility of those who are trying to make the wider population aware of the transformative potential of experiencing the EMPIRICAL claims about the truth of suffering, the ego, and impermanence.
You're misunderstanding what it means to experience pure "I amness" as existing before one was born. It's not a metaphysical claim or belief at all, but an experiential insight. In the experience of pure "I amness" there is no Time -- no past, present, or future at all. When experience of the conventional self subsequently re-arises within that pure "I amness" . . . the existence of Time arises with it, including the self's temporal history and birth. And since that happens AFTER the previous experience of pure "I amness" . . . "I amness" is said to have existed BEFORE the birth of the self. QED.
Any concept of "one" may be helpful in development - for example to accelerate compassion for others - but I tend to agree that this is only a metaphysical concept and each concept should fall away as a person develops further and no longer need that particular concept. (Grasping any belief may be necessary or unavoidable during development but is essentially "unskillful.")
It's very interesting to read all of these debates, viewpoints/mental constructs coming from a background myself in western thinkers such as Spinoza, Nietzsche, Bergson, Hume etc. Ya'll sound exactly like them, really fascinating!
@@QED_ That's exactly what I thought. There is no time in the zero point, the "I amness".
It is, indeed, ever present.
Time is basically your "I amness" moving through billions and billions of frozen frames of images per second, without it, there is only "I amness".
You don't exist in time, time exists within you.
@@bernardolopes1291 It's a good working perspective . . .
And it took the "object" of the incarnated "material" being to realize the "immaterial"
I Am-ness . ??
Without transience there would be no realization.
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Or, no need for realization.
Shall we just say AM ?
For what is "I" without the relative not - I , or material "other" ?
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If you really are interested in this 'I am - ness' as Ken calls it. Please make an effort to learn more on the topic of Advaita Vedanta. Meditation is good, we should do that but there is also a great deal of learning on an intellectual level here because if you cannot understand the structures it will be very hard to understand what you could be or are perceiving. Same for mind, heart etc. It needs to come together corectly.
Thankyou buddha
How before me could I AMness exist if there is no me, noone to check, impossible to prove. If I die - then I feel the I AMness? I thought that true SELF is the counsiusness behind the ego, but here the idea is that EVERYTHING is AM and it kinda woo woo to me. Am I idiot?
well said
However without any objects your existance is same as non existsnce because the feeling you are will be gone. Your existence is therefore relative to everything elsse. Once you see that everything else is conjured in your mind you are gone for all intents and purposes. You may just call it dead.
Where do i find this exercise on thursday?
I am not convinced. The I amness of this life might be the same, but how can he know that it is the same before he was born: is it so that with every new reincarnation we have a new I amness? Will it fade after we die? The old Gnostics talk about a nature consciousness and a divine one. The first fades after death, the latter has to be developed. Maybe that is what he call Big Mind …
Something doesn’t feel quite right with Wilber’s description of the “ I AM”. Maybe he is talking about several dimensions that are very tricky to discern from each other.
I think he is describing a state prior to there being an “I” or an “AM”.
It’s a state that can’t be experienced directly but inferred from certain properties, characteristics, qualities and features of
Neural invisible processing. IMHO
I really would not call "it" Iamness. It could lead to missunderstanding. Or if you want to call "it" so, you can ask: Can you watch this "Iamness" as an object too?
The answer is yes.
So, that means, it is not the "pure self" as Ken wilber is saying. Not in this sense.
Edit (3 years later): It's present in your experience? Then who or what does experience this Iamness? I am still convinced this is missleading.
Mathias Fröhling what would you call it ?
@@luq28 I really don't know to be honest. I have no better words as Ken. I am just saying that no word is right and so is the word "I-am-ness". However Buddists use the word "Emptiness" for a reason. Every word is born out of an object, even emptiness is something in our mind. Ken Wilber is already pointing at this problem by saying, "it's not dependent upon objects". Maybe his hints are enough to not let the ego search for "something", but I guess it is not, because in a sense it is the normal way of process to fall for this illusion. So, as I said, I have no better idea also.
Atma vichara 🙏
"I Amness" is not subject to space, time, or mass. It is our Love energy. It is considered Spirit. It has no beginning or end. It is our true God identity.
What if the objects try to ignore and get rid of YOU in order to affirm THEIR I AMness?
Oh goodness
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More importantly; where did he get that outfit from?
From outer space . . .
My question is to you people: How you personally use this knowledge in your every day routine? It is nice to know all of these things, but in the reflection of your every day life in this realm of we call reality, how can you use this information? (Of course I have my own answer but I'm very interested in yours)
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You shave your head, wear some beads, and start a TH-cam
@@ViVeriVniversvmVivusVici An interesting answer sir indeed! There are a lot of people who wants to make attention and money from this whole thing. And this is a very important point! Because this is the most fundamentum that you shouldn't make a penny on the spiritual wisdom. Spiritual knowledge, spiritual wisdom is for make ourselves and others to thrive as a divine consciousness. If we have it, we have to pas it to others as a part of love not as a currency...
@@divinusmaximus1315 are you answering your own question?
I am not sure myself. But from my understanding, you can achieve a state of very profound inner peace and halt the mental suffering in your life. If we seek happiness, we will be disappointed by unhappiness. If we are at peace, there is nothing to disappoint us. The suffering comes from your ego/personality, which I still see that has its instrumental utility in social structures, but is not the true you.
@@JHeb_ what you're describing is Stoicism with a capital S.
You don’t need to wait 2 or 3 years if you truly understand TIME.
No self independant of changing condition or you just do not have memory of it,cause memory involve object
Take away the 'objects' known as 'food, water, and air' and witness 'I am-ness' cower, clutch, and despair.
Strip all what you mentioned and you dead, then you become true I'm God.
This is similar to Sakyamuni buddha's word.
Non-phenomena of self,
Non-phenomena of others,
Non-phenomena of sentient beings,
Non-phenomena of lifespan.
The moment we understand emptiness, also based on his explanation as "object", those objects are empty in nature, the moment we understand this, we eliminate the CONCEPT OF SPACE.
The moment, we learn to see our body & lifespan & see life before our current life, we eliminate the CONCEPT OF TIME.
Just like what he mentions.
Thanks