Troy-Bilt Generator Engine Runs Well But Doesn't Put Out Power
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- Found this Troy-Bilt generator list on Facebook Marketplace for $150. The Engines runs well but the generator does no make power. Lets see what went wrong and fix it.
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This is better than Netflix or Amazon Prime TV or movies. I love his patience, cleaning, his methodical step by step, always takes carb apart and cleans it with ultrasonic, checks spark, buys broken parts, changes oil, even splits the engine to fix timing gone bad. Watching these some of us learn better maintenance requirements. James should sell these videos or get them put on PBS, likeThis Old House. James would be famous as everyone has small engine machines that are not running as they should or could. I have learned to apply many good tech ideas, Thank You, James
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I picked up the same generator last week with a blown motor... I got it for a steal... $25.00.... So this video will be priceless when I get the time to fix it... Thanks James
James, you are my go-to when researching about generators.
I recently brought home a Troy Bilt 6200 watt machine that had been stashed away in a shed for several years because my cousin said it never gave her any power. Finally, she couldn't even get it to start. It was filthy so I cleaned it thoroughly and made it look almost like new. The plastic tank was easy to clean out, but the carb was a mess inside. Put a new carb on it and it fired right up.
After cleaning it up I pulled the cover off the end of the power head and looked at it closely. Everything looked great, but it did have a very different regulator in it from most that you show us. No voltage adjustment. I also removed it and the brushes and the brushes looked really nice, almost like new. The rings also looked almost new, but I did scotch-brite them to be sure. HOWEVER, I only get a rotor resistance reading of 6.8 ohms. That's right! Six point eight ohms! I checked it maybe a dozen times to be sure. Used two different meters, one was a Fluke 77. So, I figured it was shot. NOT SO FAST, THERE COWBOY!
I finished installing the new carb and put it all back together and it fired right up as expected. But, what wasn't expected is that it showed 115 volts on my meter so I plugged in my grinder and it worked!
My question is, are there some power heads that do have lower resistance rotors and a totally different regulator to work with them? Must be, because mine is working just fine!
My power head is exactly like the Storm Responder one you show in this video. Everything on mine looks exactly like the Storm Responder machine you are showing. Exact engine, too.
Just wondering why my rotor resistance is so low since most are supposed to be 40-70 ohms. I almost junked the whole unit because of that, but decided to just try it anyway. Glad I did! It's a nice running unit now. No load voltage of 115.6 volts with 60.1Hz. Loaded (750 watt fan loading) it goes to exactly 60.0 Hz at 114.0 volts.
Who knew generator repair could be so entertaining? The production is done well and the instruction is also. I've only watched three or four to date but I know more hours are about to be spent on your channel. Thanks
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I've never had a problem yet with any of my generators but somehow got addicted to this channel full of broken ones😀
Good work here!
Another save from Condon’s House of Power!
A great vedio
Nicely done James you are very professional and meticulous in your diagnosis. You make it easy to understand the workings of the genarator. Thanks for another great video.
The screw that was missing might have fallen out and been thrown into the windings, but if that were the case, you should have found the screw. Unless someone had opened the end, and removed it. Always liked a good mystery. Great video.
I think the owner opened it up and saw the burnt wiring. Got disgusted and didn't bother with the second bolt.
I also think if he told James about it, he would not have gotten the $150 he was asking.
In James's mind, there would've been no doubt that the stator was bad.
It’s rare to fine one with a 10hp Briggs OHV with a working engine and bad powerhead. Usually it’s the other way around.
@@piconano I think James would have paid $150 for it even with the bad power head. If the owner had opened it up, it possible that that they found the screw, and removed it. The rest of it looks, and works well. And James had the spare power head on hand to replace it. It's always a gamble when you buy broken things. You look at the valve in it that you know, Which James knew the engine was probably good, since he had heard it run before buying.
But Like I said: I like a good mystery.
@@piconano someone CLEARLY opened it up and didn't have the integrity to put it back.
I just did a slight mod on my microlite 2800, picked up for free, tuned up, oil change and replaced coil spring for choke, adjusted governor response to load applied .. voltage unloaded 125 at 61 hz, loaded 50% or 1500 watts, 118v at 59.8 hz . Quite a drop for half load. Its primary use was an RV but ATT had it in a service van, used it til it would not run steady.. My company purchased the van as a swap when the other hvac vehicles were in for repairs.. I pulled genny out and kept it til the time was right. Now I have emergency power to feed one leg on house panel for essentials.. heat, fridge and basic lighting.
Made a frame, wheels and a three gallon tank with a draw fuel line since the unit has its own fuel pump, electric start .
Great video as always. I like the way you you figured out the wiring. It shows you totally understand how it works. A wiring diagram wasn’t required. Good job.
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Knowledge every day, and motivated me to get out and repair some small Engines.
Very impressive as always, James. Love your content. Very detailed and flawless. Love and blessings from Ontario Canada!
I do this myself as a hobby, best video this man has done, a very true and honest guy, just love watching other people doing this and this guy beats them all, want to see more, and more from this man. I need to subscribe kind regards colin from croydon surrey England 👍 👏 ❤
Great video great explanation. I especially liked when you cleaned it up warmed my heart.
Great video. Thanks for taking the time to make it.
Nicely done as usual. Impressive experience and knowledge to be able to correlate the different wiring schemes to get it to function without issue. 👍 👍
If I was doing this, it died at the point I disconnected the wires... there'd be more hope of Napoleon coming back & re-connecting them properly than me doing it. I do love watching people who really know their stuff, do stuff. Great vid. :-)
Great video, I learned a lot. I tuned my old generator and lapped the valves but have not checked the output yet.
That black tie wrap with the screw eyelet is pretty cool. 👍
I got to get some of those, handy to have!
Hey, I just realized something, there are always no advertisements on these videos. Does that mean that they are not monetized? If so, hats off to you. Although, what you do and the videos that you post are valuable. I would be willing to watch some ads so you can get paid for this.
Another great video Jim. Thanks for what you do.
Really nice job James. Lucky you had a spare power head. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for the good content James. Keep it up man
I also appreciate the careful and methodical approach. Very informative. I would buy a machine from you anytime.
Another great video. Thanks for the description.
Always informative. Thank you.
Love all your helpful videos and your wood ramps with side guides. Yes, I saw you invert one of the neutral ring terminals so they fit better back to back on the stud. Not your first rodeo. :-)
Another informative video James,thank you for your all your info as always .
nice repair! I am learning a lot.
Keep up the awesome content. Trust me I’ve learned a lot from your videos 👍👍👍
Congratulations James, your eye for detail lived up to your usual high standard. Well done.
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Your videos are great. Very informative
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Hi James great sitting in your class today mate This gene looks like new very big burnout on this one easy to find the problem which is a bonus good job on the electrics James thank you for sharing your knowledge with us
another nice repair job; nice to have the needed spare parts on hand.....!
It’s cool how you build the loading rack for vehicles
Very neat to have it ready to pickup a item if time is limited
Thank you for all the great videos and all the effort you put into making them. Tony, in the land of 230/400V 50Hz (UK)
Nice job Doc., that will make someone a great backup generator.
WOW , That one really burnt up James ! They blow like a light bulb to man FAST .. glad you had the parts to make a nice generator out of it ! ENJOYED ..
A-PLUS! I was with you about the starting and stopping, especially the stopping. The 1st time it seemed to wind down a lot faster than usual but it was fine on the 2nd. Everything getting seated in I guess. Happy weekend and GBWYall!
This was quite interesting...Thanks Jim!
nice job ..... thanks for taking the time to make this video
A mighty fine unit there, seems to perform better on every run cycle. It is such a pretty red also.
Much better than I thought it would be... thanks.
Great job Janes. Thanks for sharing
Thanks Brian
I learned a lot as usual thanks James. Ed
Good stuff and pays to have parts on hand. Good insight on moving the end housing over. Cleaned up really nice and is a Hoss at 8200 watts. If you guys get the storms you, Ken or Gary just posted about it will surely go to good use.
Interesting work. Nice video, well presented. Thank you.
Another great video, at least you could see it without a lot of looking . that was a fast and a good one.
Excellent, I learn a lot with your videos, also the way you make them is very unique and I like it, the other day a friend of mine had a problem with his Honda EU20IS , so I check it out, carb issue, fix it right away and he said, you know a lot about this , me: no, I just watch James Condon channel, i learn everything about generators there, that and messing around with mine xD thank you
Very impressive video I like them all very informative I'm slowly learning about them
I have watch many of your videos and learned a lot, all for free!
Something I've noticed is so many of the machines like this one look like new.
Finding a good generator is like going to the casino.
James another informative video lesson. The biggest compliment I personally can offer you is, I would definitely buy a refurbished generator from you…. Take care.
Thanks for the video Jim 👍
Great video. Thanks
Good job James loved it ! John from the UK
It's a shame the powerhead failed but at least you had spare ones on hand to fix it up, nice work James! I just picked up my first portable generator off marketplace for $50, it's a vintage Sears 3000 watt with 230v output too. Looks like it might even have 12V DC output too because it has a positive and negative terminal on top of the powerhead, anyway I got the engine running and it powered up and makes power too! Will have to do a load test on it now.
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Interesting. Thank you.
Nice video, I noted that the fuel in the jug went down very little. Seems fairly efficient for that high a load.
Great job, your videos are edited well and you stay on the point of why I was watching the video and easy to understand. 5******
Outro is great.
As well as all of your videos.
Very nice job and well narrated, for todays prize for being attentive , I think you missed the second fastener on the brush mount assem. On the Troy Built.
Thanks for teaching us !
Tom~
Definitely a better machine than those offerings of last week!
The part I don't get, is why it's always the windings at the bottom of the stator that seem to fail, never at the top. This looks like another classic overload situation, only this time, it never got the chance of a 'run down' to cool off before stopping. It never ceases to amaze me that people know the limitations of the machine, but still insist on demanding that little bit more than it was meant to give. Even with the bigger machines that we used to get, when my dad was still with us, it was almost always the same story, just bigger and more expensive!
I must admit, I'm developing a soft spot for these Troy-Bilt generators - Familiar engines, familiar gen-ends and familiar AVR. Perhaps not for industrial use, but at the better end of the domestic brands.
The rest of the windings looked spotless, so I don't think it was an overload. I think it was either mechanical damage to the winding or a manufacturing defect that caused a flash-over between layers.
@@ickipoo One thing that occurred to me was that if some foreign object had fallen into the stator, like a small screw etc., It may have led to a low resistance path to ground, and given that the neutrals were commonned to ground (frame), there would exist an almost dead short circuit between the windings and the neutral/ground, which would rapidly become a dead short, once an arc had been struck.
6.3.22 Another fine video James. I like the comment about the bonded and floating ground if going to connect to the house for power.
Great job as usual. Interesting video.
Very nice James 👍
Another fine job.. 👍
As always very good job. 👍
I have the next version up from this one. Aside from the 15hp single piston Briggs engine sounding like it wants to scatter itself at any moment, the unit has operated pretty well.
James, I'm about 80 years old and 50 years ago I was in a shop where they took these small engines and put them on go carts to race. They modified them to about 60 horse. But it's been many years, and I might be wrong. There's a forum for racing go-karts and mini bikes where they take a lot of predator engines and modify them to race. My point is you might look there for parts, they use predator engines because they're cheaper to buy and modified than USA made engines would be now. I was thinking about your valve seal on your himmie 402, I believe.
James for President,good job.
Good vid! I have to be careful watching your videos, I usually stick with lawn equipment but you make me think I can use your videos to get up to speed and expand out to generators.
Super vidéo , bon sauvetage , toujours un plaisir a regardé vos vidéo , bonne journée .
Excellent video
Jim, Another good video. I like the ramps you made to get the generators in and out but looks like it can be difficult and even dangerous at times by yourself. Have you thought about getting a small riding lawnmower size trailer with a gate? congratulations on passing 70,000 subscribers.
totally agree. was thinking the EXACT same thing.
Excellent analysis and diagnosis. Great testing to make sure of the correct wiring. Fixed another one. Off hand how many generators do you think you have fixed and or repaired. Thanks for the videos and information.
Great repair video. I was motivated and bought a cheap $99 Walmart generator. It arrived broken. I guess I have something to fix.
As always you do not disappoint! as an observer, what would think about the missing AVR screw falling out and just rattling around inside the housing until it shorted the winding to the housing?
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One learns something everyday ! "Powerhead " ......I wondered what the Hell you were referring to as the "powerhead " I suspect that the term is usual to the small power generator market, because generators used to supply tens of kilowatts do not use the term. Your series of generator videos are truly excellent, & your descriptions of what you are doing & why must be a boon to the private owners & DIY crowd. I commend you on your great camera work, your locution while explaining what you are doing, & the audio on the channel is superb. Thank you for your efforts, rest assured they do not go unappreciated.
Thanks!
Great video James!
Thanks!
You know your stuff, no doubt about it.👍🏻
Fine work as always. The top mystery is why did the stator fail in the first place? I'm assuming if someone was overloading it that could happen...
Great job you make it so easy very explain may be you make a video on generac gp 2200i wish you well here in Nicaragua thanks
Awesome Nice video. TYVM It's appreciated!
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Looking at the arc marks I would say that the bolt came out and shorted out on the copper wiring.
Never thought of that. Makes sense given the missing bolt and the location of the burn.
@@jcondon1 so the bolt "evaporated" ... i don't think so.
Back in the old days, we rebuilt turbos, starters, generators, water pumps, and etc...
One way I found to make slip rings like a baby's butt was to turn emery cloth backwards (back side) and polish the surfaces...no scratches at all...
Nice gen.love to own that.
Another great video.
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👍Good repair. (I always put a bit of nail polish on that “POT”) 👍
Nice Fix for a troubled Job just doesnt get much better video than this one
Great video as always James. Have you thought about getting a table that raises up from your air compressor so you don’t have to keep bending over and stretching your back
As I said before I would be willing to help with the purchase of that table I'm almost done with the Parts washer let me know when we start on the table purchase Animal
I thought all Amazon shills had the stuff Amazon sells
I use the hydraulic lift at Harbor Freight. 500 lb.
It helps get it up where you can work. I also take it with me in the SUV to help load and unload when I don’t have someone willing to help me lift it into or out of the SUV.
He's not getting any younger
Best video seen yet. Please do one on honda gx270 9 hp generator. Pull start, not battery electric please. Havent found one yet.
Thanks
I’m impressed with your temporary fuel setup. (The bottle, stand, filter and valve) would you be willing to make a video describing it? I’d like to make my own. Thank you!
I really enjoy your videos and I admittedly have a weakness with understanding generators I would like to suggest that with your approach doing very basic from the beginning generators 101 as though you were telling it to someone in 6th grade who knows nothing about generators a complete video on that would be I am sure one of the most popular leave no stone unturned explain all the parts all the resistance has everything and it would be such a winner
Hope you have help loading your generators, makes my back hurt, Thanks and keep up the great videos. They are so helpful.
I do. Usually the seller helps.
Jim, speaking of shorting a generator, one of the first ones I ever got had no output, and it seems that someone did a diy and failed to break the brass between the upper and lower screw terminals on a house outlet. It started and ran, but nothing was damaged. They just got no output.
Breaking that piece made the secondary on each half of the function as it should.
Good to know. Not something I would have tried on purpose.
That was one nasty blown winding. I got a little worried when the head wouldn't fully insert. But you got it. Nice job.👍👍
Same here. Was beginning to think I measured wrong.